Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ManchVegas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep the expanded version, nomination withdrawn as well. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ManchVegas

Neologism. No evidence that anyone ever actually uses it. Reyk 06:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

GOOGLE MANCHVEGAS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuma (talk • contribs)

Okay, I phrased that badly. I should have said that the article provides no evidence that this term is in common, widespread use. Encyclopedia articles need to be verifiable and their subject has to be, in my opinion, important enough to merit an encyclopedia article. If you want to rewrite the thing, I will reconsider my position but a handful of hits to websites doesn't equal notability AFAIC. Reyk 06:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, since the Manchester, New Hampshire contains the term, I don't think it needs a seperate article. Reyk 06:30, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Change my vote to keep per Karmafist and Nhprman's rewrites.Reyk 21:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Abstain. Article has insufficient context as it stands. If you want it to stay, add more information, since you seem to be the one who knows something. N Shar 06:20, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, as above, and it's not even defined. Tempshill 06:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

If updated, keep

I have to agree with Fuma. Google shows over 11,000 separate uses of the term online in various contexts. It has been used for quite a long time here (in Manchester, NH.) The owner of the Website manchvegas.net (which was registered by that person in 2000, according to whois) says he's not OLD enough to know the origin of that term. I don't know him, but even if he's just 20, that's establishing long-term use.

An article in the Hippo Press newspaper (a local alternative weekly) back in the summer noted that, "the mayor is pushing to replace the nickname ManchVegas with Manchhatten" (meaning Manchester+Manhattan.) He's now the former mayor. Maybe there was a backlash. Still, the mayor (who's about 60) knew the term and knows it is well-used.

The paper also noted in an article that someone was selling "ManchVegas" t-shirts. His Website noted that they sold extremely well after the article came out. Not solid evidence, but at least hearsay evidence.

A 2003 note on Virtualtourist.com sums things up well: "Residents reflect the regional dry humor by referring to sedate Manchester as 'ManchVegas'."

Anyway, it's recognized, and yes, it's a colloquialism. I do, however, think this article needs expansion, if it's going to stay. Maybe Fuma should contact me and we'll do some more digging for sources. Nhprman 07:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I do have to add that "No evidence that anyone ever actually uses it" can't possibly be the case, given even the barest of citations I have submitted. Was any research done to back that up, or was it assumed someone just made the phrase up recently? Nhprman 07:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Redirect Now, i'll be perfectly honest here, I thought a buddy of mine made this term up, and when I saw this AfD I was convinced he was the person who wrote it. I was wrong. In either case, this should be redirected to Manchester, NH because there's nothing here. I'm not sure this will be much more than a stub, and it doesnt deserve a stub status - make a subsection in the Manchester page. If it does turn out I'm wrong, and there is a not of stuff on the term, it can always be re-split later.Keep Article's been fleshed out more than I thought it could be. --jfg284 ^{you were saying?} 12:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

You may very well be right. However, consider that this is a cultural distinctive like any other. If the Kurdish Work song deserves a page (and a very short one at that) and the cultural peculiarity of the Scottish cringe does, and - perhaps the most analogous - the oft-used term "Massholes" has it's own page, then a nickname that is well known and, frankly, is well used deserves one, too. Frankly, this almost qualifies as a Portmanteau word - which combines two words into one. Though it may be dubiously one, since I'm not sure place names fit in that definition. If so, however, the word rises to a new level of legitimacy. This evening, I hope to start expanding the article with sources I've found, and perhaps it will win converts. Nhprman 20:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Strong Keep - I'm a local, and this word is used frequently among youth circles, particularly through the diffusion medium of the Hippo Press, the primary source of youth media in the area, which has built up the term. I'll try to build the article where I can, but this is definately notable, at least in terms of New Hampshire. karmafist 18:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.