Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mammoth Tank

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Consensus, defaults to keep. Naconkantari 20:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mammoth Tank

Mammoth Tank (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

The Mammoth Tank is a tank in the Command & Conquer video games. The article is written very much in an 'in universe' tone, and I do not believe it is possible to rewrite the article to avoid this, as the only information about this fictional tank is within the game. Additionally, none of the fictional facts about this tank are verified, or verifiable, and it is very much original research. Much of the content of the article also fails WP:NOT a game guide. There is much precedent for deleting such articles, for example, see other C&C unit / building AFDs, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ion Storm (Command & Conquer), Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mobile_Construction_Vehicle, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Infantry units of the USA (C&CG) and so on. Delete. Proto::► 22:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

• The data there collected is easily verifiable by game cutscenes, manuals, EA podcasts, screenshots, trailers, game data values and Mike Verdu's tech blog. Second, it's an iconic tank of the game and is featured quite prominently in Command & Conquer 3 promotional materials such as trailers, screenshots or wallpapers. Inclusion of this article in Wikipedia makes it look thorough, as it allows an user curious about the tank featured on these materials to quikly learn of it's past and present. Not to mention that it's not a game guide but rather a presentation fo the Mammoth Tank, not the strategies associated with it or (God forbid) direct transfer of game stats to Wikipedia. Keep. Mikael GRizzly 22:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Article provides verifiable information on a signifccant game unit, and is not a mere listing nor game guide. --Eldarone 13:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I want to know why the game list has six games, when, according to the article, the fictional tank is only present in four of them. I also want to know how the tank can be considered iconic and significant, when the company with the rights to the unit didn't bother including it in all the games in the series.Secateur 03:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

  Really? Tiberian Dawn: Mammoth Tank, Red Alert: Mammoth Tank, Tiberian Sun: Mammoth Mk. II, Tiberium Wars: Mammoth 27. In all officially connected games the Mammoth appears in one form or another. The Apocalypse in Red Alert 2 and Overlord in Generals are obvious nods to the Mammoth in form and combat performance. The Overlord even more so. Mikael GRizzly 07:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

  Obvious nods? If a gamer look carefully at it, perhaps, but then it's original research. Also, all the links seem to be very much dependent of EA. Independent third-party sources? And, the in-universe style has to go, the game guide references to their cost in game currency have to go, the dual inspiration theories, Dune and real tanks, needs to be at least merged and sourced, and the real tanks that merely happen to coincidentally look like it... why? Really, find something not EA, not original research.Secateur 10:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Article needs "multiple third-party reliable sources" from the real world as a minimum indicator of notability. As this topic is and will forever be "in-universe", it cannot satisfy this requirement. Zunaid©^{Please rate me at Editor Review!} 10:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC):You mean the manuals for every Command and Conquer game? Or the developers of Command and Conquer? Or Gamespot? How about those as resources?OB --Eldarone 21:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - This article contains verifyable information as explained before, and it is not just a list. Furthermore, the Mammoth is clearly one of the most powerful and therefore most important units in the game, so an article specifically for this tank is acceptable. BBitterwolf 22:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.