Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mal Couch

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. howcheng {chat} 19:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mal Couch

This AfD process has been further disrupted by a suspected sockpuppet of Jason Gastrich (talk · contribs), Wiggins2 (talk · contribs). See his contributions: they consist almost solely of soliciting others to come to these AfDs and vote keep.

As a result of the serial disruption of AfD and other questionable behaviour, I have raised a user RfC on Jason Gastrich, see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jason Gastrich. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• Rebuttal: Everything above was posted to skew the voting and make people turn against me and bias their viewpoint of the nomination and the entry. It's a pretty sick tactic. It shows they care little about the actual strength of the entry; which should be the only thing considered. Since the "warnings" have been posted, some people have even said that they've voted only because of the alleged misconduct. Consequently, they and the people who are engaging in this witchhunt should be ashamed of themselves. They've done irreparable damage to their integrity and to Wikipedia. --Jason Gastrich 01:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • You and half the people voting here are missing the point. This AfD isn't about you. It's about the entry. Defend the entry here, yourself at the RfC. - Jaysus Chris 04:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Marginal at best. I don't see the notability. A.J.A. 04:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. A.J.A. 04:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. Editor nominated 10 Christian biography entries for deletion, today. It's hard to assume good faith. Plus, Mal Couch is a very notable author and minister. He is also the President of Tyndale Theological Seminary. --Jason Gastrich 05:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: This is not a speedy keep. A speedy keep can only happen if the article has had no delete votes and the nominator withdraws, or the nomination was in bad faith. Stifle 17:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Very prolific Christian author. Not what you or I would read, maybe, but many of his books are available in mainstream outlets (Amazon, Barnes & Noble). Also, a bit of research reveals him to be a media witness to the JFK assasination for added interest. - Jaysus Chris 05:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• An added comment: Those concerning themselves with LBU or the entry's author are completely missing the point. This guy fulfils WP:BIO's guidelines for authors better than scores of authors who are included without a thought as to where their degrees came from. How can you deny his notability? Is it because he's a fundamentalist? They can be notable, too. - Jaysus Chris 08:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• keep please this is a important author should not be erased Yuckfoo 06:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Reasonably notable Christian figure. Number of deletion nominations is not an indicator of "bad faith" and it certainly isn't an indicator simply because the articles to be deleted are "Christian biography entries." - WarriorScribe 06:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems notable enough. Logophile 07:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, appears to be notable as per WP:BIO guidelines. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep numerous books, documentaries.JFK angle gives added interest.I'm sorry but a swarm of deletion nominations such as this looks suspicious esp. if articles like this are included. California12 02:03 18 January 2006
• Keep over zealous afd approach here. Fairly prolific author. :: Kevinalewis : please contact me on my Talk Page : 10:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep fair number of actual books on Amazon (et al). Mark K. Bilbo 18:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep as per everyone else. Hall Monitor 18:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this article was created by Jason Gastrich to promote his school as a mainstream institution. This is only one of around 10 articles he created promoting his religion/degree/school. See List_of_Louisiana_Baptist_University_people. --Q
  • Keep as per above. That an interested person wrote it is less than ideal, but not enough of a reason to delete it. --Thunk 23:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Q is correct, but each article should be judged on the merits of its own topic. Consistent keeps from non-sockpuppet, non-religious-username editors suggests Couch is notable. Google sez: [[1]], so I say Keep. Barno 00:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable. Cnwb 00:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Guettarda 03:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete another bit of Gastrichcruft. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 11:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per JzG. Stifle 17:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Does this mean you didn't examine the entry? --Jason Gastrich 18:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

It does not mean that. It means that Stifle agrees with JzG on the reasons. That's all it means. Would you use that disparaging comment if someone voted to keep per someone else, or are you trying to make this vote appear meaningless? -Harvestdancer 19:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• KeepBrokenfrog 21:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. Yes I have read it, and I've even cleaned up some links for you. --kingboyk 23:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable vanity gastrich-cruft from a holder of a fake pHd from a diploma mill.Blnguyen 02:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Blnguyen, there are 1100+ LBU students and thousands of graduates. Did you ever stop to think that comments like these could be offensive to thousands of people? LBU is unaccredited, but it certainly doesn't fit the criteria of a diploma mill. How many diploma mills have a campus with on-campus courses, teachers, and faculty? Not to mention Jerry Falwell is giving the graduation ceremony address. I'm sure the biggest name in fundamentalist Christianity speaks at tons of diploma mills. JK. --Jason Gastrich 05:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Clutching at straws, there. Charles Matthews

• Delete Another non-notable from our most prolific creator of articles on non-notables, Gastrich. FeloniousMonk 22:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. If he's writen stuff then he should at least have a little slice of wikipedia? I mean, Wikipedia is huge, everyone can have a share can't they? Everyone thinks that because he isn't in the news, that he shouldn't be included in wikipedia, the so called "sum of all human knowledge". But how do we know he isn't influencial? He effects hundreds with his words..... Further Note: I was brought here, like many others by Wiggins2, or as he wants to be called, "Wiggie". I think we shouldn't be so quick to shoot him down, as I, & probably many others, are grateful for his post to draw our attention to this subject. I wouldn't mind if the other "side" did the same. But we cannot ignore the fact that this is defintely going to open wikipedia into two halves; Those who want to keep. Those who don't. I.E. Christians, & others. However, this should not be about religion. I would be ashamed of the christians on here if they only voted to keep the articles because they were christian orientated. This should strictly be business as usual, even though it does seem strange an editor would nominate so many christian articles. Maybe a hidden agenda? If an article's crap, then it should be deleted. Being an inclusionist, I will probably keep the most mundane article. However, the list of notable people list is like many others, & should not be here. To do so would be obvious bias. I ask everyone to not be drawn in with a strict "You're wrong, I'm right" situation, but be open & find a way to keep peaceful.... Spawn Man 04:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC). BTW, I hope my vote isn't discounted, I count myself as a influencial editor...
• Very Strong Delete. Mal Couch is unnotable and does not meet Wiki standards of notability. Arbustoo 00:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Feel free to give your opinoin, but the guy meets WP:BIO several times over. - Jaysus Chris 03:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems notable enough. (BTW I am a gay lapsed Catholic with no religious belief, so there is no BAC agenda here). FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 01:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as a prolific published author. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 06:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.