Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makpal Isabekova

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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 19:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Makpal Isabekova

Fails WP:BIO and only generates 160 G-hits. I think this person hasn't importance in any country Yoda1893 22:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Fails WP:MUSIC as well. --Nishkid64 22:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Please reconsider. This may well be the only one worth the trouble. Read my arguments. --Pan Gerwazy 21:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, if she really is notable, how come there aren't that many G-hits? I'll consider changing my vote, but I'd just like for an answer to my question first. --Nishkid64 21:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

This lady is notable in Kazakhstan, Russia and among Russian speakers elsewhere in the former Soviet Union (Novaya Volna which means "new wave" actually takes place every year in a Baltic state). This means that most of what is written about her will be in the Cyrillic alphabet. If you google on "Макпал Исабекова" (that is the Russian Cyrillic version of her name) you get 37,800 as I wrote below. Unfortunately, the version in the article is Kazakh Cyrillic, with a diacritic sign on the "k" in her "christian" name. That is one of the things that will have to be changed too, I guess, since the Kazakh Cyrillic version of her name only gets 90 google hits. Note that Kappa made an allusion to that - unfortunately for him, most Cyrillic googles in these Pop Idle articles do NOT get above 1,000. That makes Isabekova a bit special. Thanks for considering my request.--Pan Gerwazy 21:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or merge entertainer who had a national audience and was undoubtably the subject of multiple non-trivial coverage. Also helps to combat systemic bias such as that caused by using the google test on people from Kazakhstan. Kappa 05:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment if she has had a genuine #1 hit record, she's notable per WP:MUS Ohconfucius 07:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment That was only the title of the CD "My Hit - number 1". I do not know what happened to "My Hit - number 2".--Pan Gerwazy 19:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment 37,800 for a Russian cyrillic version of her name. The Kazakh one gets only 100 google. I remember that this is ideal ground for land mines, but I think that problems on notoriety could be best served by keeping all those "also-rans" (those who did not take 1st, 2nd or 3rd position) out of Wikipedia. (this was by me, but I have since changed my view, see below --Pan Gerwazy 21:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC))

• Delete. Let's keep only nr 1, and 3. The others will be forgotten next year. Change to Keep This lady later performed at "Novaya Volna" and did not do too badly. So she is known a bit. The google hits for the Cyrillic version seem correct and not artificially driven up by a fan website. However, this article will have to be cleaned up with more than a mop and a broom stick. It does not state when this Pop Idol contest took place (2004?), I found a site which mentioned her as seventh and not as sixth, the plural of "khit" in Russian is "khity" (I think -someone living in Russia please confirm this) so the translation "hits" is wrong, the first link is to stars KZ and not to Isabekova (creating the suspicion that this is primarily promotion for Pop Idol and KZ and not an article on Isabekova) and finally the red link to Dunayevsky (the composer of so many well-known Russian songs such as "serdtse" is a DISGRACE. May I kindly suggest that other voters here reconsider their vote as I have done? Note that if we delete this one, we are orphaning a Finnish article. I had not noticed that at first either. By the way, an article in another language is always a good sign of some notoriety at least.--Pan Gerwazy 21:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Discography exists. There are worse music articles around. I think this person hasn't importance in any country can't be generic deletion argument. User:Yy-bo 22:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Why do you not vote "Keep"? There are a number of other pages that link to this article: most notably the "Suomi" Wikipedia. Makpal is even mentioned on the pages of two other contestants as "musical influence".--Pan Gerwazy 13:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Good, here the vote. I have also copied some articles to my userspace. I would like to refer to them as bottom level layout requirement to keep an article. There are other articles about unpleasant music records. I do not really have a good guideline what to delete. Definetively these articles are not unpleasant. Probably they can be expanded. Always possible to delete them later on. User:Yy-bo 17:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Mad Jack 05:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Please explain. Every one of the three reasons quoted by the nominator has been proven obviously wrong. She does not fail WP:BIO, she has 37,800 google hits and far from being non-notable, there was already a Finnish article about her.--Pan Gerwazy 17:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I'm so glad many of you question my actual intellect in this talk page - pathetic fuckersZlatkoT 09:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Please remain civil. Remember WP:NPA, thank you.--Pan Gerwazy 17:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.