Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Majster Kat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep From the looks of things, the nominator switched from delete to neutral, so I believe that can count as a withdrawal. Also, there seems to be no other opposition. Non-Admin closure. Icestorm815 (talk) 03:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Majster Kat

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I believe this band fails notability on several fronts, even though it is trying to assert one. Some of the arguments are e.g. listed on the German wikipedia. Notice also dates of creation in other languages articles (except the Slovak one) - this could be a (band)spam. If I would have the chance to vote, delete. MarkBA ^t/c/@ 22:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It was ment not like spam, but like spreading new information cause of the current new release. The dates of creation have their meaning - unless the band doesn´t have the official release, it should not be here..The official release is only 2 weeks old. That are the reasons. I´m sorry if I have broken some wiki laws, that´s not my aim. Lossamo

That's good to see you don't have any intention to break wiki laws, however, I'm still pretty convinced that this should be out mainly per notability and possibly relevance. And yes, such practice can and is considered spam. But let the community decide. MarkBA ^t/c/@ 23:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm reducing my vote to weak delete, as notability is at least proven somehow. But I'm still not sure about reliability of sources (except the link #10 and maybe #11). MarkBA ^t/c/@ 13:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

According to WP:MUSIC#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles, any criterion is sufficient to proclaim a band notable. As to the sources, I think they are pretty reliable, given the genre. #1 refers to online charts, but virtually no metal music (including the most famous bands in the world) makes it to the charts of mainstream radio stations. #2 and #4 are major websites on concerts in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, proving the band's tours regardless of a less reliable #3. #5 is the personal website of the "member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable" (quoted from WP:MUSIC). I am not so familiar with the music style, so I cannot comment on the sources #6-9. You have accepted reliability of sources #10 and #11, so there is no need to discuss them. To sum up, this band seems to meet at least five (perhaps even six) criteria of notability in case, when one would be perfectly sufficient. Tankred 19:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm changing my vote to Neutral, with yet possible change of vote. But believe me, when I saw first the title, I thought it was talking about some historical figure ("Majster Kat"=Master Executioner) and those interwikis - I'd thought it was another case of cross-wiki spamming (even though I'm assured it wasn't - well, who knows). I'd like to let this AfD run to see what the others think. MarkBA ^t/c/@ 20:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. The criteria of notability are listed at WP:MUSIC#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles. I am not sure whether this article meets any of them. I would like to encourage Lossamo to read these criteria and state explicitly which one can be met by this band. I will be happy to vote "keep" if notability is proven. Tankred 23:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I´ll try to proof some of those notability criteria, although I think everything would be OK, if I didn´t write this article in 5 languages :-( I´m a fool.

So:

"Has had a charted hit on any national music chart." [[1]] - A Czech metal music chart, Majster Kat is there for 5 months

"Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country" [[2]], [[3]], [[4]]- Tour in Czech Republic

"Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable" [[5]] - Los plays with an ex-singer of a very popular Rockband Metalinda, wellknown in Slovakia and Czech Republic

"Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city" [[6]], [[7]], [[8]] [[9]],

"Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury or Grammis award." [[10]] - Majster Kat was a candidate in a category Music Group on the biggest Slovak Music Award

"Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network." Majster Kat is frequently played for example in this Czech and Slovak Rock Radio - [[11]]

Lossamo 00:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. The evidence of notability provided above is convincing. Tankred 01:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 15:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~~~~ This is a Secret ^account 00:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep: Meets several of the MUSIC criterion. - Rjd0060 (talk) 02:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.