Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magnus the Pious

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Cbrown1023 16:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magnus the Pious

Magnus the Pious (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable fancruft. Minor fictional character. Reads as if subject of the article was real. I am also nominating these pages as they are just the same.

Sigmar (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Karl Franz (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Felix Jaeger (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Morglum Necksnapper (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) JorcogaYell! 02:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Reads as if subject of the article was real is not a valid reason to delete an article. Koweja 03:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment- Koweja, the main reason I nominated these is because they aren't notable, not because of the reason you stated. JorcogaYell! 03:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment These are indeed fictional characters, but some of these characters are pretty important in the setting, not minor. Karl Franz is the leader of the Empire in the Warhammer Fantasy Universe, Sigmar is its founder, Magnus a major Emperor. However, in the case of at least some of these articles, I see that there may be a copyvio problem. The article on Karl Franz for example, reads almost identically to his entry in the Warhammer army book for the Empire. I get a similar feel from the Magnus article. The others seem a little better, but I'm not sure. I think somebody should really check into this situation. FrozenPurpleCube 03:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Weak keep definately notable characters in the Warhammer world, whihc is in itself notable as far as these things go. The in universe and copyvio problems definately need addressing if they're going to stay. Artw 04:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • * Keep, Merge, and some Commentary Felix Jaeger is one of two main characters of a fairly long-lived series of adventure novels (8-9 books, plus short stories). Sigmar has had his biography published (Black Library's Life of Sigmar). These two qualify as very significant characters from a very popular wargame/rpg/fantasy series. I'm sure they need cleaning, but need of cleaning is not really a reason for deleting the articles. I would recommend Keep and tag for cleanup and copyvio fixes where present for these two. Magnus and Morglum on the other hand... I don't think that there is enough material on Magnus to make a very significant article. Merge with The Empire (Warhammer) or some such article is likely most appropriate. Not familiar enough with the last character to offer an opinion. --Clay Collier 06:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and re-list separately. These characters differ wildly in notability, and need to be considered on an individual basis.--Nydas(Talk) 10:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Tag with {{in-universe}}, but not a reason to delete off hand. Relist separately those you feel don't meet any guidelines to keep. --Falcorian (talk) 23:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete All This is fan craft and gives a plot summary (see WP:NOT). Also the topic of the article is non-noteable. Davidpdx 10:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
    Can't find either fan craft or "fancruft" there. Perhaps instead of using that kind of language, you should be more specific in identifying your concerns? FrozenPurpleCube 14:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I have updated my concerns about the article. Please do not reply as I will not be checking this again. Davidpdx 00:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Well, notability is at least a reasonable concern, however I can't agree with you that the subject of several bbooks(Felix), major characters in a world setting (Sigmar and Karl Franz) are not notable. Merge would probably work better with the other two though. FrozenPurpleCube 00:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge Magnus into The Empire (Warhammer). Merge Morgum into Orc (Warhammer)GraemeLeggett 11:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Karl Franz and Sigmar GraemeLeggett 11:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Sigmar, Karl Franz(with the copyvio fixed problem), weak keep on Felix Jaeger, merge the rest as already mentioned. FrozenPurpleCube 17:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep for Sigmar, Karl Franz and Felix Jaeger. In the fictional background, these are major characters. Merge into the character sections of their respective race pages for Morglum and Magnus. - Heavens To Betsy 17:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Just as we should try to keep our occasional obsession with the characters of Battlestar Galactica under control, so should we with our Warhammer characters. If we keep this I'm starting an article on Magnesium the Impious Gerbil from the great game of Warhamster. WMMartin 18:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep for all except Morglum, Weak Keep for Morglum All pass Notability, especially Felix Jaeger (the lead character in a long running series of fiction books) SirFozzie 23:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.