Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MagicPoint

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep and cleanup. Arkyan • ^(talk) 20:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MagicPoint

MagicPoint (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This is a piece of free software, but with no sources, and no significant third-party coverage that I could find about it. I do not feel it meets the standards in WP:CORP. FrozenPurpleCube 22:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm only an IP adress, so my vote doesn't count, but MagicPoint does seem to be a major piece of presentation software in the Linux world. A Google search for "Linux presentation programs" specifically mentions MagicPoint (and nothing else, not even OpenOffice Impress) - the rest of the links are to general HOWTOs, reviews, etc. They also seem to mention MagicPoint as a major alternative to Star/OpenOffice and KPresenter [1] [2] [3]. From what I can find, MagicPoint is notable in that it is markup-based (like LaTeX) and good enough to produce slides used in Linux/open source conferences [4] [5] (Dave Jones) and [6] (same link as 2 above).

(Note: One of the sources implies that MagicPoint is no longer maintained. From MagicPoints's official site, it seems that is no longer the case - the lastest release was only two months ago.)

So, since the software appears to be fairly notable, maybe the entry should be expanded, rather than removed?

124.148.59.119 12:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You're incorrect that being an IP address means anything. Any person can make an argument, and since this is not a vote, it's the substance, not the number that matter. If you wish to add your coverage to the page, go right ahead. I don't know that they are convincing of notability on their own, but they are better than the nothing there now. FrozenPurpleCube 13:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've added to it. I think I might have put too many references though. What do you think? I'd like to add a software infobox (like wxDownload Fast has). Hopefully that will happen over the next day or so. 124.148.82.28 23:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WjBscribe 00:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't seem that notable when compared to the CORP guidelines. And the article clearly doesn't explain its notability, besides saying it's been used for conference presentations. But it appears that 3rd parties have written about the product, and that from a Linux slideshow/presentation perspective, it is notable. I'm leaning towards a weak keep, but I can understand if others feel wikipedia shouldn't articles on trivial topics.-Andrew c 01:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I've tried to make the notability clearer by saying that MagicPoint of one of the three major open source presentation programs (with a reference).

By the way, when you say CORP guidelines, do you mean WP:CORP? If so, I'm wondering how these apply to software projects. Some larger projects (such as Mozilla or OpenOffice) are organizations, but most open source apps are just that - projects. So, they're unlikely to get a book written about them - a Linux.com article is more likely. Is there a specific set of guidelines for software? The closest guidelines I could find were Wikipedia:Notability.

124.148.82.28 02:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep + Revise. Before I fell asleep trying to read one of the most confusing articles on Wikipedia, I did find some interesting information, making it at the very least somewhat notable. I'm referring mainly to the fact that it is free software. On a side note, to Mr. 123.148.82.28, try to keep your comments minimal, as you're clogging up the AfD log. Sens08 02:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Weak keep There is a paragraph or so about MagicPoint in the book "Inside Linux" by Michael J. Tobler, but it's quite small and some may consider that trivial. It's very briefly mentioned in a couple of other Linux books. --Canley 04:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Weak keep - Quite well-known in the open source world. The problem is that non-web sources may be difficult to come by. I'll see what I can find. -- BPMullins | Talk 13:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
• keep please the software is important and corp is not the right guideline to apply anyways really yuckfoo 01:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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