Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magestorm

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magestorm

Tagged for speedy as non-notable game. Fair comment, but that's not a speedy criterion. If this is a notable ghame the article does a poor job of showing it. Guy 12:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - I was the guy who out the speedy tag on. Basically, it's from a now-defunct company, it's no longer available, it was done in 2001 so isn't historically important and it has no assertions of notability. (Plus I think the page has been abandoned for quite some time.) The Kinslayer 12:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 12:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. The Kinslayer 13:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A search on Google shows hits on all major gaming websites for this title (IGN, GameSpy, also mentioned on GameSpot). Also the fact that it's made by the guys who are now working on Warhammer Online makes it notable enough for its inclusion. Besides, Wikipedia doesn't set a "date" as to when something is important enough to be included. Havok (T/C/c) 13:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Ign and Gamespot aren't the best sources to establish notability since they review every game that comes their way, and just because the designer is working on a game that people DO know about doesn't make THIS game notable. Did it sell well, did it win awards, cause controversy or make news in any way other than 'game released?' Did anyone other then reviewers and the article creator even play it? THAT is the information that would prove if this game is notable. Just being released is not enough to distinguish a game from other games. The Kinslayer 14:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Considering the developer is notable, I would presume that it would make this game notable enough to have its own article. We don't ask for sales figures on any other games on Wikipedia as a notability check, so why should we in this instance? I want to direct you to some articles about games that are not known by that many people, and not even released by a well known, big developer/publisher; SuperPower 2, Uplink and Crimsonland to name a few. What makes these more notable then Magestorm? Havok (T/C/c) 16:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment - Good point. If you don't mind putting up sources in the article, I'll change to a keep, because those games may have been underground, but there's tangible proof of their notability all over the net. The Kinslayer 17:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per WP:SOFTWARE (multiple independent reviews) and per WP:MUSIC i.e. if we are going to allow every freaking record (even total bombs) put out on a "major label" or a very loosely defined "important indie label", then we should be consistent and allow separate articles for every game put out by a notable game developer, which Mythic certainly is. Bwithh 16:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - Also a good point. If you source those reviews, I won't have a problem keeping the article. As the article stands now, there's no proof that this game is anything other than a complete non-event. (The article doesn't even state the developers are working on Warhammer Online, which I agree is worth noting.) The Kinslayer 17:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't mind deleting records - WP is no an indiscriminate collection of information, and articles that list just a record and its soundtracks are pure lists that are indiscriminate. Hbdragon88 04:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - any commercially, widely released game from a recognisable game studio warrants an article in my opinion. If more sources are needed, that's a cleanup matter. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 12:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - Changed the vote now the article is more informative. But it's only a week keep becasue the article is stille barely worth keeping without more work. The Kinslayer 14:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wwwwolf. 209.209.140.21 16:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for the various reasons stated above. RickReinckens 23:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep it exists and is an actual commercialproject, not soem fan game with a few hunder players. Wikipedia isn't paper. While some notability is necessary, there's no need to restrict articles only to things that are wildly popular. Ace of Sevens 23:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Saying non-notable is a poor and unconvincing argument. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Not that it matters since I changed to a keep, but WP:V states: '3. The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it.' This to me implies establishing notability as well. The Kinslayer 09:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as it meets criteria of WP:SOFTWARE, Tewfik^Talk 04:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.