Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madsen family curse

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Madsen family curse

Madsen family curse (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Contested prod. This article is unverified/unsourced/unreferenced. A search for Madsen famil curse on Google gives absolutely no hits. No reason for the family or the curse's notability are given. Personally, I suspect this is a piece of the author's family history, and while personally important, is not appropriate material for Wikipedia. Delete. Mak (talk) 21:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

"Keep" I'm the author, and I'm voting to keep it. I'd like to discuss this as well.

SwedishConqueror 21:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)SwedishConqueror

  • Delete Being Danish I have never heard of this before. Sounds like cruft to me. Where are the sources verifying that this is anything else than your own WP:OR Do you have any idea how many people are called "Madsen"???? (hint: it is more than you think!) MartinDK 21:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, smacks of original research, but in any case, cites no sources, and fails verifiability. -- Whpq 21:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd just like to say that I'm gathering some non-Internet sources and so would advise you to wait. I'm going to be placing telephone calls to several historical organizations tomorrow. Thank you.

SwedishConqueror 04:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)SwedishConqueror

    • Comment If you wrote it you know the sources already. Do you have any idea how many times I've heard the words "don't delete it, I am finding sources"? If you wrote it you know your sources. Also, what historical organizations? I'd like to know since I actually live in Denmark and happen to know that this article is WP:BOLLOCKS MartinDK 06:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not one person on the family tree has an article or appears deserving of one, thus even a generic Madsen family article is not worth discussing, and this "curse" is little more than family lore -- assuming it's even true. --Dhartung | Talk 07:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - interesting, but zero assertion of notability. What makes this family so special? Also POV. Moreschi 08:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom and reasons given by others. This sure seems to be an unpopular family if so many get murdered. Curse? Well, apart from the fact that such things are not real, what is here that is unusual.. The family lost money in the 1929 stock market crash? Wow! A sailor dies at sea? My goodness!. Someone got killed in a skiing accident? Supernatural! Emeraude 13:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment You don't find this even slightly weird? I'm reserving judgement at this time (both on the existence of curses and on this article), but these events are certainly out of the ordinary. After the tenth member of my family was assassinated/mauled by wild giraffes/abducted by aliens/molested by the Queen of France, I too might start to wonder, "You know, maybe there's something to this..."

Of course, debate on whether a curse actually exists cannot possibly be carried out; such a question is far beyond our ability to answer. Debate on whether or not to keep this decidedly interesting article must, of course, proceed.

The number of murders, in particular, strikes me as very odd. It appears, however, that this family had money, and could it not be argued that through their financial dealings they were inevitably to come into contact with those who would wish to harm them? In addition, does that make these murders "assassinations," as the author has said, or something less? Can a four-year-old truly be "assassinated"?

As for the other stuff...I mean, you have to admit that it's a bit creepy. Let me put it to you this way: if it were my Aunt Betsy, I'd be looking behind my back everywhere I went. I mean, the Kennedys (not really known for the tranquility of their lives) have got nothing on these people. I feel bad for them.

Nanaszczebrzeszyn 19:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Nanaszczebrzeszyn

  • Delete. No sources, no article.... — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 22:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. No sources (except to inflation rates!). I am a Dane living in Denmark and never heard of this family (but know some of the other 69000 [1] Madsen in Denmark). Limited Googling in Danish and English showed nothing relevant. Even if many of these events were sourced, the article would still look like original research without notable sources speaking of a possible curse or similar. PrimeHunter 03:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I just did a search on "Heinrich Madsen" in the Danish emmigration database and there is absolutely no record of any Heinrich Madsen with or without family. What happened to those phonecalls he was going to make and that we had to wait for? MartinDK 07:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I find this whole thing to be highly improbable. It would be virtually impossible for all of these events to happen within one family, and, being as I am a skeptic of supernatural phenomena, I just don't buy it. How could one group of people attract this much misfortune? It's just not feasible. Unless the author can provide strong sources, I will vote to delete. PROVIDE YOUR SOURCES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, IF YOU HAVE ANY.

Liz1848 18:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)User:Liz1848

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.