Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madiun Stadium

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Archtransit (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Madiun Stadium

Madiun Stadium (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Move to AfD - not a hoax. A search of Madium Stadion reveals a number of solid links Mostlyharmless (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

See, for instance, this link Photo of Soccer Stadion Madium Indonesia

• The syntax in this nomination is odd... care to clarify? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - looks like it had a db template and was moved here when that was removed. Grutness...wha? 01:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
    • This was my first AfD from a PROD, so I might have got some things wrong. Thanks for bearing with me! Mostlyharmless (talk) 01:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm convinced of the existence of a football stadium in Madiun; there's plenty of evidence for it on the web. I think it deserves an article. However, because this was created by a known vandal who likes to insert nonsense, we can't be sure of the information written here, and we're better off with it deleted. Once we take out everything that might be false we're left with just a few words. Mostlyharmless (talk) 19:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, given the numerous hoax articles and vandalism this user and his numerous sock puppets have added to Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Vitrox92), the evidence presented to support the existence of Madiun Stadium will need to be very high. A page on a photo sharing site is not sufficient reliable source for articles created by bona fide users, let alone low-life sock puppeters. (Caniago (talk) 03:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC))

Regardless of other articles, there is plenty of evidence of the existence of this stadium. A search of "Stadion Wilis Madiun", the common name in Indonesian (although perhaps not suitable for a page title) turns up a lot of hits referring to games played there, including; the provincial government [1], Tempo (one of Indonesia's largest newspapers)[2]. I'd say they're not in on any hoax. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

That being so, even if the stadium exists it would be better to create the article from scratch rather than rely on any infoformation the user has added to the article which may or may not be correct. (Caniago (talk) 05:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC))

Actually, I tend to agree with you. I've notified the Indonesia wikiproject, and if there's no comment within the next few days on the verifiability of the information in the article, it would probably be better demolished and started again. The style of vandalism enagaged in; adding half truths and plausible information, means we can't trust anything from this user. Mostlyharmless (talk) 08:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Look at the picture. Does it really look like a stadium that can hold 40000 spectators? Unless the stands that we can't see are as big as the ones at the Nou Camp I would suggest not. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. —User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.