Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MadV

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus/keep. W.marsh 21:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MadV

MadV (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Notability: MadV does not meet the notability requirements for a biography of a living person, as stated on the Wikipedia Notability page. Copyright Infringement: V is a character copyrighted to Vertigo and DC Comics, and MadV does not have the rights to use it. Images: The image on the page is of very low quality, and is hardly encyclopedic. Bias: Although I know that this is not criteria for deletion, the article needs to have (be?) NPOV Content not suitable for an encyclopedia: It is badly written, misspelled, and does not state the name, birthdate, place of birth, or any other biographical facts about MadV. Even where his accent is from is mere speculation.
Nexthoudini 17:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. I don't think I need to add anything here. NASCAR Fan24(radio me!) 17:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. As above. BASE101() 19:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Do not Delete. This article has already been discussed and was passed to stay. See previous discussion: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_April_24 In response Notability: Documented television and media appearances, magazine articles and interview, notable contest nomination, significant video statistics. Complies with Wikipedia's Notability Criteria for category of Entertainer: # Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. Copyright infringement: The claimant misunderstands Wikipedia's Copyright Infringement Policy. The article itself is not infringing copyright, as no material is being used without permission, and all images and information is freely and publicly available. Whether or not the character 'MadV' is infringing copyright is not a matter relevant to the validity of the article. Images: Quality is as high resolution as original sources allow. Bias: The article has very little obvious bias. Feel free to re-write whichever elements you consider to be biased to provide NPOV. (Notice that the claimant for deletion calls himself 'NextHoudini' - is this deletion bias perhaps?) Content not suitable for an encyclopedia: Feel free to correct spelling and grammatical errors. This is not a reason for deletion. Biological facts are accurate as far as sources allow. Speculation can be edited, again this is not a reason for deletion. See also: YouTube Celebrities for examples of persons of similar notability and validity (who remain on Wiki). -- Lungsboat 21:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. No real-world notability shown. humblefool® 06:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I suppose being featured on MTV, ABC news, and Pepsi 9 doesn't happen in the real world? Lungsboat 11:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep MTV, and ABC appearances look like notability. The article surely needs some clean up, but that's not a reason to delete. — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 12:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
  • EDIT: References are made to him having been in shows on ABC and MTV, although no references are made to anything claiming that he was in them. If references are provided, I may grudgingly accept this as notability, but, as of yet, it's hearsay. I still stick to my original points, and agree that, unless the logo was put in the public domain, it is copyright infringement, as per the last deletion request.--Nexthoudini 19:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Response: It appears the claimant has not checked the correct references. I have now alerted him to the relevant sources. Lungsboat 23:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Humblefool. Stifle (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Response: You appear to be correct. I did check the references, although I just scanned the first couple of them (such as the ABC website) and did not see anything about MadV. I stand corrected on the fact that he has appeared in said shows. I still disagree on notability. You claim that this is a personal vendetta because I'm not asking for the takedown of certain less popular YouTube producers, but the reason is because this is the article I stumbled on. Simple as that. You still have not addressed the logo issue from the last deletion request (a cropped screenshot is neither a loophole nor a good excuse, if that's what you claim), nor have you addressed the content not suitable claim properly. "Biological facts are as accurate as sources allow." Yes, that's the problem. Somebody with nothing known about them aside from speculation and a few appearances is not worthy of an article to himself. Possibly a notice in another article, but not an entire article to himself. The fact that others less noticeable are on WP is not evidence in favor of notability on MadV's part, only that said other articles may not be worthy of a WP article either. If you would like to, propose them as AfDs. Besides that, with the amount of information known about MadV, it is impossible for the article to be anything more than a stub, per status quo.--Nexthoudini 03:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Any alleged copyright violation of the image in the article is not relevant to whether or not this article should be deleted. — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 03:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • All images have complete fair use rationales, and are freely and publicly available. This is not even a valid reason for deletion, as stated above. The content is suitable as I have stated - in terms of significant fan-base or large cult following. Wiki guidelines do not state 'numbers' per say to qualify for this, but in the opinion of over 24,000 people and well over 6 million combined video views he has a significant fan-base. Finally, whether or not biological facts are known or not is irrelevant. He is a character, not a person. That's like trying to write biological facts about a comic book hero. What is 'suitable content' is documentation of the spread and affect of what the character has achieved through the medium of viral videos - namely nominations for the Youtube Video Awards 2006, Most Responded Video of All Time, and as you now agree features on notable news programmes. Obviously the creator of the MadV character wishes to remain anonymous, so no further information is available about him/her. Lungsboat 04:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep per nominator: Upon actually getting some sleep and then reviewing the argument later, I can see Lungsboat's side of things. The article does need some serious cleanup and revising, but I have weakly changed my stance on its deletion. --Nexthoudini 15:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • So now what happens seeing as the person who originally nominated the article for deletion has changed their mind? Can we now close this AfD? Lungsboat 17:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment after close - The two references I found were Campaign for Iraq Pullout Hits YouTube and many related to Manufacturers Association of the Delaware Valley (MADV). This comment is not part of the above consensus and is placed here for reference only. -- Jreferee t/c 21:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment after close/followup - I just want to clarify: the link to 2 million Google hits is for "MadV AND YouTube". I realize this doesn't make up for the lack of hard sources. Ichormosquito 22:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.