Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macedonian Genocide

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy delete (non-admin closure), under WP:CSD#G7. Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 19:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonian Genocide

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Blatant POV text pushing the fringe idea (apparently peddled these days by some extreme nationalist sources) that there was a "genocide" against ethnic Macedonians (no concrete information is provided when and at whose hands). Sources are obviously not even remotely reliable. Note that the current text of the article is shamelessly stolen from the Armenian genocide article; the claim about death marches is taken from there and seems to be a total fabrication when applied to the Macedonian case. I can't read the alleged sources (both in Macedonian), but I'd bet these "death marches" aren't mentioned even in those. The same seems to be the case for the alleged numbers of victims. This article is a case not only for deletion, but in my view also for sanctions against the author (Makedonij (talk · contribs)) for blatant disruptive editing. I'd encourage uninvolved admins to check the author's previous record and consider WP:ARBMAC. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Block! Err... Delete! Unsourced. NikoSilver 10:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete, oppose block, just warning.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 11:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: Just to prevent a misunderstanding, I obviously didn't mean we should be voting about any blocks or similar sanctions here. That discussion goes better elsewhere. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Notability is not confirmed with this article. I should also note that any real or perceived problems with the Wikipedia editing history of the article's author is irrelevant to this discussion; there are other channels on this site for reporting disruptive editing. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • This article offends Wikipedia every second it remains there. I suggest speedy deletion per WP:IAR.--Yannismarou (talk) 12:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Just allow me to add that I can see this article only as a (failed) humoristic attempt by its creator, especially when the platform of a political party is used as a verifiable source. The referencing of the article gets indeed anecdotic dimensions.--Yannismarou (talk) 12:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: No comment! --Makedonij (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: You wont be able to delete it in real life !--Makedonij (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment:I just start to edit this article, references will come later.--Makedonij (talk) 13:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete for lack of reliable and verifiable sources. Wikipedia is neither a vehicle for propaganda nor a battleground. Aramgar (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment:New sources.--Makedonij (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
    • None of the "sources" is remotely reliable, and none of them even supports the claims made in the article (victim counts, "death marches", et cetera). It becomes clearer and clearer that this editor is simply lying. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
      • This article flirts with the characterization of hoax, and its creator and sole editor flirts with the application of the remedies section of WP:ARBMAC IMO; Makedonij's attitude in our case is in an obvious disaccord with the principles set by the above-mentioned decision of the ARBCOM.--Yannismarou (talk) 18:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: Fails WP:RS and WP:V. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: as per nom; we aren't here to legitimize some fringe group ("see? Even Wikipedia knows the truth"-style arguments). Send this packing and target any new articles for quick analysis, keywording 'Macedonian' and 'genocide'. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete:I've made a mistake so delete it.--Makedonij (talk) 17:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
    • An editor should be praised for his bravery to recognize his wrongdoings; and it needs courage indeed to admit one's mistakes, as you did here. But the facts remain: You created an almost "hoax" article, you added some obviously non-verifiable sources, you firmly supported the necessity of this "article" continuing to add "sources" of yours, and suddenly, without further explanations you "erased" whatever you did and contradicted yourself, declaring that this was a "mistake"! Therefore, I may laud your courage in changing your initial stance, but I think you are still obliged to offer some explanations for your overall attitude. As far as the AfD is concerned, I think and repeat that, especially after Makedonij's statement, the only applicable solution is speedy deletion, something I would do myself, but, since I have voted, I want to be ok with the rules. But any adm watching our discussion would conclude that this "anecdote" should immediately end.--Yannismarou (talk) 18:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.