Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MGS 3 : Crab Battle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Bobet 07:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MGS 3 : Crab Battle

This is, in essence, a random YouTube video which for some reason has its own article. Deprodded by an anon, this comes nowhere near being notable but has gained some popularity amongst internet forums. Some sweeping references have been made to it in a couple of magazines, but it's hardly been the subject of "multiple non-trivial published works" which WP:WEB requires. -- Steel 21:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Steel. Frankly, any non-trivial work would probably be of greater significance than the subject here. Guy 22:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Danny Lilithborne 22:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP The article in questionf features information on a popular flash animation that has been featured on multiple pages, YouTube NOT being the main focus or its original intention. In fact, this isn't a YouTube video at all like every other user has attempted to make idle claims to. Misrepresenting this article in order to have it deleted shows poorly on those working against it. Researching and investigating the topic in question before openly calling for deletion is the first step in creating a fair and well-maintained "Free Encylopedia." The article focuses on several points of note, including the satirical nature of the flash animation which is based on the popular Metal Gear Solid. If anything, the article should be revised to include more potentially useful information to anyone creating their own satire of popular video game fiction. With the publication in two widely circulated magazines (with links included), this video has already generated a good deal of non-internet related publicity for itself that is anything but "trivial" Chad Schaeffer 23:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make with that rant, but I ran a Google search [1] and out of the 700 or so results, the top ones (and probably the rest) were all to flash hosting sites. I don't see any evidence of it being the subject of a non-trivial work. -- Steel 10:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm just glad you actually investigated Crab Battle a bit more. A popular flash video that is known through-out the Metal Gear Solid community. With this being a popular satire, could it merely be suggested that this article be linked to as a satire or fan-fiction creations of Metal Gear Solid? And my rant was long and all over the place, but I do believe I touched on all of the neglected points of note for this article. I'd also like to note, that the article was not originally created by the person who created Crab Battle, thus indicating some desire to inform people about this satirical work of flash fiction. Further review of your own Google Search will also yield links to various forums, fan-created sites, etc. Also, how does this not fall in line with Wikipedia hosting a site about YTMND [2], a site dedicated to "trivial" work. -- Chad Schaeffer 11:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Then document it on a MGS wiki. This is a general encyclopaedia, for documenting things which are verifiably significant to the wider world. Tangential content regarded as "kewl" by groups of fans of particular video game does not in most cases qualify as having encyclopadic merit. And this is not "elitist", Steel is an active editor on CVG topics, and was made a sysop even though most of his edits are to CVG topics. Guy 09:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Wing000 01:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I took a look at those "references" and like Steel said, they are trivial! Its not the publicity that needs to be non-trivial (Chad Schaeffer says publicity is non-trivial which is not important), its the references that need to be non-trivial which means that an external source needs to devote significant text on explaining the subject. In all the references I looked it was only mentioned in passing, as a "cool thing to see". Nothing more. Also, this AFD is not about YTMNDs. Shinhan 19:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm amused that no one has commented on my plea to at least link or rework this article in some way. The desire to delete it with no desire to attempt to re-work it or incorporate into the other multitude of gaming related articles on Wiki seems correlate that the attacks against the article have been merely elitist in nature. -- Chad Schaeffer 20:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Lexis-Nexis search shows no hits for "Crab battle" other than an atrticle about the battle to save Robber Crabs on the island of Tuvalu from packs of rats.... The media sources mentioned are trivial and thus fail the guidelines for WP:WEB (i.e. non-trivial media mentions, non-trivial awards won, or non-trivial media reprints.) --Kunzite 01:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Wow all this over a simple internet flash animation. I did my own Google search and here it it. There about 7 good links on the fron page alone. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Crab+battle&btnG=Google+Search. I dont see why anyone wont add this to a MSG(Metal Gear Solid) wiki page. This is a good thing becuase I use wikipedia for alot of things and i think you should keep this. That is all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.238.103 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment You should do more precise searches. You pull up such things as the Iron Chef Crab Battle; Shadow Battle Crab from Babylon 5 ... Always put quotation marks around the name and you should always exclude wikipedia from the search by putting a " -wikipedia" (space, minus sign, no space, wikipedia.) With a generic phrase like "Crab Battle" you need to include a second keyword to get a proper representation of the google results. Adding "metal gear" (w/quotes) does this. example. Finally, we want to look at how many of the pages google chopped out because they were duplicated.. go to the last page in the google search. It will give the message "we have omitted some entries very similar to the 206 already displayed." So ~230 unique results out of about 26,900 (or less than 1%) are unique. --Kunzite 05:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:WEB. To quote the guidelines Content that is distributed by independent online sites will almost certainly satisfy the first criterion. However, this criterion ensures that our coverage of such content will be complete regardless. For example, Ricky Gervais had a podcast distributed by The Guardian. Such distributions should be nontrivial. Although GeoCities and Newgrounds are exceedingly well known, hosting content on them is trivial. Every flash movie on NewGrounds, or YTMND on YTMND.com doesn't need it's own article, unless it has gotten some outside attention(see AYBABTU) Mitaphane _talk 00:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Then if you say that YTMD movies have no place on Wikipedia then why have a YTMND page on Wikipedia? Its a page dedicated to trival movies and things of that nature. So why is it still around? I believe that the Crab Battle page should be linked into the MSG: 3 page and call it a day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viningi (talk • contribs)
    • Note:This is the user's only edit
    • We're not discussing the ytmnd article. We're discussing this article. If you don't think ytmnd deserves a page, put it up for AfD, because discussions about it here are irrelevant. -- Steel 18:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: Please listen to my orignal comment. I did not say "all YTMND's don't deserve their own article" or "YTMND doesn't deserve its own article." I said, every YTMND on YTMND(or flash movie on Newgrounds) doesn't need it's own article, unless it has gotten some outside attention. As far as I can tell, MGS3: Crab Battle has only been popular on Newgrounds. The article makes the assertion that it has been viewed over a million times and yet google searches only get 479 hits. I think if this flash movie was that big of a phonomena it would garner more hits than that. Mitaphane _talk 22:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.