Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MAKE THE PIE HIGHER

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge & redirect to Bushism. --Stormie 05:09, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MAKE THE PIE HIGHER

Highly POV poem that uses a link to snopes.com as its source. Following the link results in a page saying the requested page does not exist. Delete as unverifiable and original research. 207.136.11.194 23:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

• This poem has made its way around the internet quite a bit. It is not POV, but an actual poem made of actual G.W. Bush quotes. [1] This link to Snopes is quite active, and each of the lines has been verified. Disagree, therefore, that it is unverifiable and original research. Merge into Bushisms, as "make the pie higher" seems to have entered popular jargon. - Sensor 00:06, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable Internet joke. It is verifiable, though; I've fixed the Snopes link to make it easier for other voters to judge for themselves. Haeleth 00:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep It! Why should you delete this? Wikipedia should be about making information available not deleting the less important things. What harm is there in having this poem available here? --Ewok Slayer 00:05, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a good case for merging this. - Sensor 00:08, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

 ---I have a newspaper article refrenced on the main page now - to make it more legitamite

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• Delete or merge to Bushisms as some of these "quotes" are unverifiable. --JJay 00:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

See above. All quotes have been verified by Snopes. - Sensor 00:56, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Recheck Snopes. Look for things like misquoted or "We couldn't turn up a citation". --JJay 01:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

• Merge to Bushisms, and include JJay's point that not all of the quotes are quite true, to fix NPOV. --Jacquelyn Marie 01:50, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable Bwithh 04:03, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Merge Oh come on! this is fuuny, let the author have a break.--Tinman382 19:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to Bushisms - as per JJay
• Keep or Merge, I've seen the poem cited and published enough places that it (barely) qualifies as a notable internet meme. -Colin Kimbrell 14:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
  • For example, I get more than 31,000 hits on Google for the phrase "make the pie higher", the vast majority of which refer to this poem. -Colin Kimbrell 14:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep This poem is certainly notable. As to being POV, it is a selection of quotes from a single man. I guess then, (tongue in cheek) that would make it his point of view. But seriously, this is an article describing a work of political humor derived from actual quotes of a politician. The fact that a small percentage were only used by "plenty of newspaper articles" and a large scale commercially released book, with I will note no rebuttal from anyone claiming misquotation, makes it a much more accurate piece than most political commentary. And again, let me reiterate that the poem is just that, a creative work, not a reporting. It's prevalence and noteriety as a political humor piece would make it notable enough for inclusion even if it wasn't composed entirely of actual quotes, IMHO. The quest to suppress this seems to me to be imposing POV on the encyclopedia as the article makes no value judgements on Bush, his presidency, or the motives behind the poem, it merely records the existence of a creative work.WAvegetarian 19:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
• Abstain, but if kept then Rename to not all caps -- also check out the copyright situation? gren グレン 10:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.