Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M.A.C.A.R.R.O.N.I.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. bainer (talk) 12:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] M.A.C.A.R.R.O.N.I.

This article is for a TV show which is barely notable. Its information value is roughly zero; at best this series deserves a single article for each season (recalling that an encyclopedia is "a collection of fact-based articles, intended to introduce the reader to an unfamiliar subject"). Instead of nomming all the articles (which would be mean) I am just going to do this one to see what the consensus is to do about it. See Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Television episodes for a discussion of the notability of television episodes.

• I think this is complete fancruft; delete Ashibaka tock 04:35, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable episode of a TV show. Andrew Levine 05:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Nuetral, Still debating this one, the editors have not listed every KND episode, it appears to only be certain ones, although there is not much notability about that episode either. xaosflux ^T/_C 06:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Unlike many articles of this type, the article is complete and well-written, and all the articles follow an established format. Somebody seems to be making an effort to write all these articles and collect all info on this show into an organized collection of data (note info template at the bottom of all the pages). While its true that guidlines discourage articles on individual TV show episodes, this is more like somebody's project than just random articles. I hate to throw away someone's hard work if it's in good shape and not hurting anything. Maybe they're practicing on this, working up to a later project on Hitchcock's films, or Moliere's plays, or something. I hope. Herostratus 08:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, but only because we're not going to delete the whole series (which I believe we should). This kind of article belongs on a fan site, not in WP. JanesDaddy 15:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I'd like to point out that just because a series is notable doesn't mean its episodes are. Individual episodes of Survivor probably don't deserve their own articles, right? Ashibaka tock 02:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per Ashibaka. -^demon 15:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete the fancruft, and the awful template promoting it. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 16:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Valid article about a notable series that does no harm. Not sure why the nominator thinks the show is "barely notable." This is a fairly popular series, and the number of pages and amount of edits on Wikipedia support that. Turnstep 20:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
  • This show is completely unoriginal and unmemorable. Of course this is POV, but notability isn't created by the number of fans writing articles; it comes from whether any non-fan will need to know the information, ever, and while they might want to know about the show itself, writing an article for an individual episode is unnecessary. Ashibaka tock 02:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
    • That seems an odd criteria. How is one to judge whether someone will ever "need to know" the information? I would humbly submit that someone who finds the show "unoriginal and unmemorable" would not be the best person to make that judgement. Would you also AfD all the existing Star Trek, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and The Simpsons episode pages? Turnstep 05:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
      • No, because those shows have a good amount of cultural value, so it's possible that some non-fan might want to reference what episode a certain Simpsons reference came from. I would support merging all those articles into a season-long summary, but such a summary would be pretty long. Ashibaka tock 14:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
• Shorten to one sentence and merge into the parent article. Zocky 00:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The level of detail involved here makes this too narrow a topic for an encyclopedia article. Per nomination, it would be nice if we could develop a policy, or at least guidelines, with regard to determining whether a television episode deserves a Wikipedia article. --Metropolitan90 02:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • We've been trying to do exactly that at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Television episodes. We seem to have lately reached an impasse for lack of people suggesting concrete policy proposals. Andrew Levine 04:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep or merge. Any valid cartoon broadcast by Cartoon Network is certainly notable. We're not going to delete existing television series based on their popularity (at least I'm not). - Mgm|^(talk) 10:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • As I said above, does this mean individual episodes of Survivor deserve their own articles? Ashibaka tock 14:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • No more than individual episodes of The Price Is Right. As for the article at hand, I'd suggest we merge into Codename: Kids Next Door and contune the discussion of the series' noteworthiness on that talk page. B.Wind 01:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  • No, reality and game shows are a whole different thing that fiction and cartoons. The first don't deserve articles on episodes, the second do. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.