Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ludwig Van in pop culture

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The result was delete both. —Kurykh 00:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ludwig Van in pop culture

Beethoven's Ninth Symphony in popular culture (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Beethoven's Fifth Symphony in popular culture (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Delete both - These are directories of loosely associated topics. The listed items have nothing in common beyond using a segment of a particular piece of classical music. These lists tell us nothing about Beethoven, nothign about the symphonies (except that they're public domain and so free for movie producers to use), nothing about the fiction that uses the symphonies, nothing about how they are related to each other and nothing about the real world. Strongly oppose merging any of this into any other article on the composer or the pieces. See for precedent the deletions of similar articles for Adagio for Strings and 1812 Overture. Otto4711 12:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong delete both per ^{[citation needed]} as a trivial list of... well... trivia. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 12:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Agreed. Read through the article; it's horrid. For everyone saying "Don't delete; improve!" -- the sheer length of time that this has stood here idle tells us that nobody is in the mood to completely revamp the list. Other the other hand, if the article is deleted w/o prejudice for recreating, it would certainly have a stronger tendency to turn into a legitimate rewrite. Honestly, information like this: "In Civilization II, when there's a "We Love" celebration, "Ode to Joy" is played." is an insult to the man's music. Bulldog123 13:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete impractical, utterly uninformative, incredibly loose association. --Eyrian 14:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Trivia collection, WP:5 - Every time _______ was used/mentioned in a tv show/movie Corpx 15:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I hate to see these two get deleted, since there's no denying the universal appeal of parts of of these symphonies. That the nominator refers to Beethoven as "Ludwig Van" (there being no article by that name -- thank God) is testimony to the pop culture symbolism of the late composer. On the other hand, nobody has cared enough to improve these, and some heavy editing by a "music major" would be a good start. Obviously, these shouldn't be merged into a main article: I hate to think that Beethoven's legacy would be an answering machine that plays "No-bod-y's HOME! No-bod-y's home..." Undeniably, parts of Beethoven's 5th and 9th symphonies are heard all the time, though most listeners have no idea about what they're hearing. It's something to think about. Mandsford 15:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete both WP:TRIVIA. IPSOS (talk) 23:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.