Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucie Famo

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The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 03:41, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lucie Famo

Vanity? 0 hits on Google. Has only painted 100 paintings.Delete. Philthecow 01:36, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

• delete --Xcali 01:40, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• I don't think 100 paintings is a particularly low number... still, should be deleted as unverifiable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:20, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

• I guess my point was that for an amateur seeking notability, it's a low number. Were she an amateur with 10,000 paintings, she'd be showing up on this list soon enough. But with 100, no such luck. Philthecow 13:37, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

• You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but 10,000 paintings? That's incredibly high, almost ludicrously so. Picasso is generally known as the most prolific famous painter, and he produced about 13,000 paintings over an 80-year career. Jan Vermeer, the best-known painter of his era, has 34 paintings attributed to him. So, 10,000 paintings is an extraordinary feat which maybe .001% of painters ever reach... I'd say it's similar to 50 movies for a director, 30 albums for a band, 100 books for a writer, etc. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:33, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

• *wry smile* Ten thousand perhaps a bit of an overstatement. I just meant that ludicrously prolific amateurs (see Howard Finster, with 46,000) are much more likely to be worthy of an article than average sorts. Philthecow 13:28, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. NeoJustin 03:07 May 31, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Doesn't seem false, a hundred paintings is definately notable, and it's hard for her to create a vanity page about herself if she's dead. Almafeta 03:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete. Unverifiable. Since it's a new article, how about putting a clean-up or verify/cite sources tag on it. DoubleBlue (Talk) 03:57, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. An artist with 100 paintings and 213 sketches might be notable if this person made a signigicant contribution to the world of art. But there are no third party references to verify this... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:28, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. If she doesn't get any Google hits, she isn't notable enough. --Idont Havaname 05:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete drini ☎ 05:56, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete. If what's currently written in the article is true, then it might merit inclusion, but the lack of Google hits means the info isn't verifiable and that the artist wasn't notable. Brenton 06:18, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
• Google is interesting but it is not the be all and end all of deciding what is encyclopedic. My problem with this article is it is unverifiable. DoubleBlue (Talk) 14:36, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Hell, I've painted nearly twice that many paintings (and they're in collections in four countries), but I don't consider myself notable enough for an article. Note too that this article has previously been speedy deleted. Content was the same, but indicated that the artist was still alive. Four days ago. Grutness...wha? 01:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• comment I don't know whether this article is verifiable or not. The fact that it has been rewritten following a speedy delete with basic facts changed does not speak well for it. I want to comment on the idea that Google is the arbiter of notability. Google, as a reflection of the content of the WWW has some very serious biases toward recent events, curious events, and internet-related events. An enormous number of notable things have happened with minimal notice on Google. It's a very useful and readily available tool, but not the end of the line. Dystopos 20:14, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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