Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luc Verhelst

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash^talk 22:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Luc Verhelst

Reason : Notability

Reason : The page was created by user 1652186 to make a point. See User_talk:LucVerhelst#Your_very_own_article

LucVerhelst 18:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Stong keep. I deny in the strongest possible way that I created this article under WP:POINT. The reason is indeed the keeping of another article, but I was told that articles on all MPs are acceptable. I therefore also see articles about political party fraction leaders as justified. I think that the data in the article show that Mr. Verhelst is notable. The reason that he wants this article deleted is so that his discussion partners would be unable to find out that he is politically bound and therefore biased in political discussions about his oppontens. 1652186 18:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm happy to announce that Mr. Verhelst has chosen to share his political background on his user page. I therefore retract my comment of him wanting to keep it undisclosed, with my apologies to him. 1652186 18:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I kind of like an article on myself... --LucVerhelst 19:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Dunno what those two are on about, but subject does not seem to be particularly notable. Not everyone involved with politics is necessarily notable. Wickethewok 19:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete minor politicians are NN. Unless M. Verhelst is actually elected to the legislature, user space shall be the abode of this info. Cheers! - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 19:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Regretfully. Politics needs more 'fraction leaders' and fewer faction leaders. Dlyons493 Talk 20:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Question: MPs are kept under the part of WP:BIO saying "Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office or members of a national, state or provincial legislature"; so is the district council for a district of the entire country (which would make it a state or province) or a district of the city of Antwerp? AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 21:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Answer : it's a district of the city of Antwerp, two levels below the provincial level, 4 levels below the federal/national level. You can fairly say that the notability on that level is rather low... --LucVerhelst 21:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per that. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 22:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. It seems to me that Luc Verhelst appears to be a councillor and as such our guidelines for councillors apply. The critical issue here is how much verifiable material from reliable sources is available about him as well as the size of the population of the city. Capitalistroadster 21:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• The city of Antwerp has 460.000 inhabitants, the district in question has some 40.000 inhabitants. --LucVerhelst 21:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, not even the most notable (googlewise) Belgian named Luc Verhelst (unless subject is also CIO of Fortis). Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: To my feelings, an article on a living person (or of whom the descendents are likely to feel envolved) should not become created unless:

• the person belongs to a category of which all members get a page; or
• after the person's (or descendents') explicit consent,

AND the person (or a representative descendent) is timely notified when the article will be submitted; or

• the reasonably assumed interest by readers of the article, outweighs the interest of its submitter,

AND the article is well-balanced, well-referenced, and sufficiently complete from start,

AND

• no revellation or omission of known fact(s) might hurt the interest or feelings of the person, or
• an administrator is timely notified when the article will be submitted,

AND

• the person has a clear public significance, or
• the name of the person is considered public domain, that is in this respect: must have sufficiently occurred in the press or other acceptable references.

Though it seems to me that this allows for an article on Luc Verhelst, while undoubtedly readers may find such interesting, I do have serious doubts about the interest of the submitter: the content of the initial article does not give the impression that sufficient information is given so as to fulfill the eagerness of readers. With respect for both parties in a discussion that has been going on between them (and myself) for the last couple of days, this very fact should have made creation of the article improper. As an anonymous submitter, I am quite conscious of Luc Verhelst signing his articles by what I assume to be his real name. One can not write such article on my name or on the name of people using an alias, whatever my or their public role might be. Since Luc Verhelst can hardly be allowed to write his own article, it should disappear ASAP. -- 213.224.87.185 2006-05-26 07:04 (UTC)

• Comment : please note that the article was not created by LucVerhelst, but as a personal attack towards LucVerhelst. I just put the AfD-banner on it (and corrected a factual mistake). --LucVerhelst 07:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment : Don't worry too much, Luc: I would think people looking at this page read more than my ironical last sentence. -- 213.224.87.185 2006-05-26 16:47 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.