Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Carlet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus leaning towards keep. —Doug Bell ^talk 13:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Louis Carlet

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Person is not notable, comparison with other workers leaders overstates notability Sparkzilla 14:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. I would have to agree.Osakadan 14:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Carlet is just one of a group of people within the organization that have garnered press and this is confined to the past few years. If you were to look at news articles you see other names representing the unions.Osakadan 23:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

With creating the annual March in March in Tokyo in 2004, he has come to be known as a pioneer in the civil rights and migrant workers' rights movement in East Asia This line is a total exageration and should be deleted if not the whole article. Pioneer? There are numerous other foreigners and Japanese who have been working in this field for decades longer than Carlet. And the March in March is considered a joke by many, including union members as it belittles the fact that many Japanese workers face the same labour problems that Carlet holds up as being discriminatory.Osakadan 23:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't particularly care either way if the artcile is deleted or not, But I think having articles on people have appeared in the news a handful of times is ridiculous, especially when the article says nothing of importance. I also wouldn't delete an article on the basis of a few opinions and would hope it waits until more people have weighed in with an opinion.Osakadan 04:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. There's a bare minimum assertion of notability. Nardman1 14:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Note that the notability is in the organisation, not the person. There appear to be no articles that specifically talk about the subject. Sparkzilla 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete no notablity proven, the references do not mention the subject of the article and only one, at best, is a reliable source. Nuttah68 15:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
• keep The very arguments for deletion admit that he is well-known. I do not know the politics here well enough to judge, but this seems to have all the hallmarks on a within-movement debate. I note than one of the editors here has voted twice, and added a boldface comment as well, and that this editor is the only negative voce here besides the nominator. DGG 04:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

well-known? Perhaps to union members, and some companies. Outside of that, he is name would not be recognized within the english speaking community in JapanOsakadan 04:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

comment I have no views on the notability of this article - if it was reworked I would say KEEP. It is important to note that a check of the posting history of the nominator of this AfD, Sparkzilla, shows that this user and editors on the NUGW (in which Louis Carlet is intimately involved) page have been in conflict for some time. Sparkzilla introduced the criticism section on that page linking to Metropolis magazine. It should be noted that a conflict of interest arises, due to Sparkzilla's intimate involvement with Metropolis ( a crisscross publication). A RfC, or RfA or simpler remedy, by interested parties, will show Sparkzilla's past IP's to fall within that of the IP block assigned to crisscross.com by apnic. It would suggest that this AfD is not motivated by a genuine desire to improve Wikipedia.

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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 221.253.85.230 (talk • contribs) date.

Considering the bias of the person who called for the deletion, it may not be warranted. The problem is though, much of the article is unverifiable, even if true. Union official - can be verfired through newspaper records and public records in Japan. one of just a few paid migrant workers in Asia who is also a migrant worker activist doubt this could be verified. in 1995 organized a demonstration march in Manhattan Again I wonder if this can be verified. If all the unverifiable material is left, I wonder if there is enough left to support an article.Osakadan 08:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

To suggest hat somehow Metropolis is biased against the union because of one article written in a history of hundreds is nonsense. In fact, I am sure there are several pro-union articles in Metropolis if someone was bothered enough to find them. Please ignore the troll who psoted about COI. Check his posting history Special:Contributions/221.253.85.230 and you will see that he is a sad person who only posts negative information about Metropolis.

FYI WP:COI says: The existence of conflicts of interest does not mean that assume good faith is forgotten. Quite the opposite. Remember the basic rule: discuss the article, not the editor. Nothing against Mr Carlet, but he is not notable, the claims are not verifiable, therefore the article does not warrant an entry in Wikipedia.Sparkzilla 09:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep The demonstration in Manhattan is verifiable through the August 1995 edition of OCS News, a Japanese newspaper published in the US. An entire article was devoted to him on page 3 of a recent Mainichi Shimbun article. Also whether or not the annual March in March that he spearheaded is a "joke" or not is irrelevant to its relevance in the foreign labor movement today in Japan. It is the only march in Japan dedicated to multinational labor solidarity and march leaders, including Carlet, have repeatedly made clear that Japanese workers face many of the same job problems as foreigners. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.37.32.92 (talk • contribs)

If you have citations please add them to the article. Even so, a single demo or march does not make notability. Also, please sign your comments. Sparkzilla 09:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, Deputy Secretary General in the largest migrant worker union in JapanSlideAndSlip 22:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

To the drive-by commenter above -- his title sounds impressive, but the person has almost zero name recognition to foreigners in Japan, and totally zero recognition outside Japan. Sparkzilla 09:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Korean and South Americam immigrats outfar western immigrants greatly. And as many of these work in industries such as motor cars (Brazilians etc). The claim to be the largest union of immigrations may well be false. While the union has quite a lot of members it is relatively small in members in the foreigners division.Osakadan 14:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.