Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loose Cannon (album)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete per consensus. Information can easily be added (if not there already) to the artist's article without this speculative history. Therefore, no need to merge. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Loose Cannon (album)
Unreleased album (crystal ballism) with little or no media coverage. Fails WP:MUSIC#Albums and songs. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 10:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 10:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Delete WP:Crystal applies here. Also, consider deleting Cashis, as he is not yet notable. StephenBuxton (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Delete: Both the wrapper and the product: neither are there yet. Utgard Loki (talk) 13:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Delete WP:CRYSTAL. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 03:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- Merge - Some of the information in the article is sourced and therefore not WP:CRYSTAL. That information should be merged until an actual release date is set. —Torc. (Talk.) 08:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- Merge to Cashis. For the last time, it's not WP:CRYSTAL just because it's in the future. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment From WP:CRYSTAL: "scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" (emphasis mine). The way the record industry works, no record's release is a foregone conclusion, and without significant media coverage, notability isn't shown. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 09:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Merge. Holy cow. We've had this article around since November of 2006, waiting for this album to be released under some name or the other. I agree that Cashis' statement about the album, which is sourced, merits inclusion in the parent article. WP:CRYSTAL notes that "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, provided that discussion is properly referenced." Right here we've got referenced discussion on whether some development will occur. I do agree it doesn't merit a stand-alone article, because as Hello, Control notes (and this one amply demonstrates) planned releases don't always happen. I think the artist barely passes notability myself, notwithstanding his survival of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ca$his. Unless that EP of his was quite a success. Oh, wait. It was. Never mind. Nevertheless, merge this. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I agree (except about "quite a success"—the Heatseekers chart is a minor one, indicative of records expected to do well; the EP fizzled at #37 on the R&B/Rap chart and didn't break 100 on the Top 200 chart. A success, but a "decent success" at best). Information about upcoming albums (as long as it's sourced) certainly belongs in the artist's own article. It's just that many editors jump the gun and start a separate article before they probably should. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 15:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. I yield to "decent success." :) I agree with you that separate articles are often started too early. In fact, this one bears you out. --Moonriddengirl (talk)
- Comment I agree (except about "quite a success"—the Heatseekers chart is a minor one, indicative of records expected to do well; the EP fizzled at #37 on the R&B/Rap chart and didn't break 100 on the Top 200 chart. A success, but a "decent success" at best). Information about upcoming albums (as long as it's sourced) certainly belongs in the artist's own article. It's just that many editors jump the gun and start a separate article before they probably should. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 15:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Delete - this has been on the "gonna be out soon, gonna make him a big star" list for eons. Most of the "forthcoming album" articles here are WP:CRYSTAL violations and should be AfD'd; but this one is a downright embarassment to us all. (And I agree with Stephen and Loki that the musician himself is nn.) --Orange Mike | Talk 19:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Given his charting, I think he probably is notable...even though I strongly suspect that his charting had more to do with Eminem than Cashis. He's not a speedy candidate, anyway, since he previously survived AfD. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
