Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Logan Whitehurst

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 01:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logan Whitehurst

Speedy deleted under the criteria for articles with no assertion of notability, with additional reference to Wikipedia is not a memorial. This was challenged at deletion review, where the deleting admin consented to a listing here. New contributors are advised to consider Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions in offering their opinion, if they wish to offer a persuasive opinion. This is a technical nomination by me, I just don't want to see it at deletion review again. GRBerry 19:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

To begin with, it's hard to call the page a memorial page when it existed long before the subject passed away.

I prefer to begin addressing the claim of notability by analogy. Logan Whitehurst is to the Velvet Teen -- a band which does warrant inclusion on Wiki -- as Pete Best is to the Beatles. Pete Best has an article, despite having no claim to fame himself except for having been a member of the Beatles before they became famous. Given that the Velvet Teen is notable, it stands to reason that Logan Whitehurst's page belongs here as much as Pete Best's.

It's worth noting that Logan Whitehurst released six albums and has been acknowledged by indie labels such as Pandacide and Slowdance records as a notable figure. Dr. Demento, Pab Sungenis, and Nigel P. Stinkwell have all played his music on their shows. Dr. Demento and Pab Sungenis have dedicated entire broadcasts of >30m to his music and his memory. While the actions of these three individuals (and probably more who I'm not aware of at the moment) do not constitute a major radio network, they are nationally known. Dr. Demento's show is syndicated and gets airplay on major radio stations, so this could be argued to count.

Along with the Velvet Teen, Logan Whitehurst has gone to Japan on tour. Sources: popmatters.com Portland Mercury

On his second to last album, members of Death Cab for Cutie and Pedro the Lion -- both notable bands -- recorded with him.

Another thing of note, though unrecognized by wiki as notability as far as I know, is that much of his popularity came from MP3.com.

All this and I haven't even mentioned his artwork which has appeared on the covers of releases by The Velvet Teen and Tsunami Bomb.

• Keep - There's no question in my mind that Logan Whitehurst's page belongs on wiki. Phil 21:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Logan toured internationally (wiki criteria 3 for musician notability) and was the subject of a half hour or more radio broadcast (wiki musician criteria 11) on the nationally aired Dr. Demento show (January 7th, 2007, and October 12, 2003.) In addition he was a founder, lyricist and drummer for the wildly successful group "The Velvet Teen", which is notable by wiki standards, and wiki criteria 2 for notability of lyricists says "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that qualifies above." In addition, he was a highly visible and well known artist in the Northern California indie music scene, and apart from his musical talents was an accomplished graphic designer, creating album art for Tsunami Bomb, Dynamite Boy, and many other bands. There is no doubt in my mind that Logan meets wiki's standards for notability. FilmCow 22:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, there are basic, sourced assertions of notability. Article just needs work.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 23:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, Not only are all the other keep arguments still valid regarding WP:MUSIC, but I have done a lot of work on the article to better assert his notability, include more sources, and provide a whole lot more information about his actual career than his death. The disparity there was among the reasons it was speedy deleted as a memorial site in the first place. Albrot 05:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Per WP:MUSIC, the primary requirement for notability is that the musician in question "has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable." As was noted in the Deletion Review discussion, there have been multiple, non-trivial, independent published works, although these were not adequately cited within the text of the article. I have edited the article to incorporate additional citations to these independent sources. Argument about individual WP:MUSIC criteria doesn't seem particularly fruitful to me, because these criteria are simply those which imply the above-stated central criterion, which is, in my view, met. Nchaimov 00:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Notability is apparent under the guidelines of WP:MUSIC, and the recently edited article better conveys this notability than the original, deleted, article did. This may have been a better candidate for cleanup and expansion than deletion to begin with. PabSungenis 23:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.