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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Lemke

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Of doubtful notability. Has been completely unsourced for many months now. The very model of a minor general (talk) 14:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - doesn't make any claims of notability, Google/News search turns up no reliable third-party mentions. Teleomatic (talk) 15:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete An unsourced biography about a not notable individual. Can find no reliable sources. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: According to Google Books, he has authored or co-authored seven books.[1] Another website[2] lists 14 books. A LexisNexis news search does not yield much coverage, beyond an article that notes that Lemke was a special guest at the Technicon science fiction convention. – Black Falcon ^(Talk) 01:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete, no attempt at notability, author has minimal history and seems not to have an interest in the article. Sallicio (talk) 03:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Sallicio
• Delete - no reliable sources about the subject -- Whpq (talk) 17:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, as Sallicio. Wexcan  Talk  00:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Notability uncertain.(Shonali2000 (talk) 05:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC))

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The result was keep Ryan Postlethwaite 16:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intellitech

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Article fails WP:CORP. Article was created by an WP:SPA account with no other edits other than related to Intellitech. Was speedied under WP:CSD#A7. Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 (talk) 16:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Article does fail WP:CORP. There are zero hits on Intellitech on news.google.com. —XSG 20:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, I can see from your point the account is an SPA account. Probably should of added other contributions first. It is interesting that other EDA companies have similar entries that are allowed. I previously pointed out Azuro. Only recently on Jan 30,2008 do they appear on new.google.com. To meet that particular criteria, a TMCnet article picked up their press release. I can't explain why Intellitech doesn't show up in news.google.com as it does appear on TMCNet in numerous places [[3]]. TMW www.tmworld.com magazine regularly run articles on the company's technology, including cover articles, and three best-in-test awards in the last four years.

The company is listed in Wiki List of EDA companies and was not included in that list by me. I tried to update that informatuon and it was deleted as well. Apparently the editors would rather have that entry with a incomplete ? than the information I supplied. That's a bit confusing.

There's not much I can do if you choose to delete it. I thank you for the opportunity to try working with Wikipedia.Jtagchair (talk) 18:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Further, Intellitech appears in the Wiki Category:Electronic_design_automation_companies[4]. The entry for Intellitech is an attempt to add completeness to the Wikipedia for companies that appear in other areas of the Wikipedia. It seems odd that entries in Wikipedia that include Intellitech are accepted but to define the word/company beyond the entry is not acceptable. I'm new to this, so perhaps there is some bigger picture I am not seeing that would make that contradiction more logical. Jtagchair (talk) 16:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment You can work on the page while this is going on. If you (or others) can bring the article up to WP:CORP, the consensus could change. thanks--Hu12 (talk) 16:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

From the best I can understand, the primary WP:CORP requirement is 'noteworthy'. As prior pointed out, the company name appears in two other Wiki locations, however without the appropriate information and link. Further, Test & Measurement World Magazine (hard copy and online) is the premier source of electronic information in the industry. It' editors have chosen Intellitech products for a Best-in-Test award for three years (one is here: [5] ) The magazine featured an Intellitech customer and Intellitech technology as its cover story last summer.[6] This is not an article submitted or created by the company.Jtagchair (talk) 01:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Non-press release related coverage of Intellitech by FPGA Journal[7] Jtagchair (talk) 11:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You've got great references which demonstrate notability, however these references don't (yet) appear in the article. Find a way to work these references into the article and the article may pass WP:CORP and make it through this AfD... —  X  S  G  08:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- Gavin Collins (talk) 11:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as tehre are no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability of either the company or its software. --Gavin Collins (talk) 11:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Gavin, in case you didn't have time to read the above, this second source was given http://www.tmworld.com/article/CA6447662.html and this one: http://www.fpgajournal.com/articles_2007/20070612_roux.htm Jtagchair (talk) 21:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

XSG, OK. I wasn't aware that the references should be in the wiki for Intellitech. I'll take a stab at doing that. Thanks for the constructive feedback and help for the novice as to what needs to be done. Jtagchair (talk) 21:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear Gavin and XSG, Please note I have frequently given [Azuro] as an example of a company in our EDA industry, which appears in Wiki but did not meet the same scrutiny as Intellitech. It does not have the second sources listed in the article nor do they exsist other than press releases. We should be even handed across the board. Further, the type of article here in wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Electronic_design_automation_companies should not be included wiki if you are not interested in having the companies listed there be in Wiki either. Jtagchair (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Note that Azuro, at least, has many references in the press magazines (in articles written by their correspondents, not press releases. Azuro is the subject of several EEtimes article (the main newpaper in the field). See for example [8] and [9]. Also mentioned in EDN, another large news organization [10] and [11]. This one is from EE Times, Europe: [12]. So Azuro is definitely notable. LouScheffer (talk) 00:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

XSG, I added the notable references to the article. Seems that it reads more 'promotional'though which may offend someone. Jtagchair (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• DeleteNot convinced about the notability.(Shonali2000 (talk) 06:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC))

Thanks for your input, but it does meet the guidelines of WD:CORP. Please explain all how fellow companies in EDA are acceptable to Wiki and Intellitech is not. Here is Azuro's wiki page, I'm including it since no one is looking at it.

Azuro, Inc. is an electronic design automation (EDA) software company. It is headquartered in Santa Clara, California with a development office in Cambridge, UK.

Azuro develops software for the design of integrated circuits, specializing in analyzing power consumption of the chips. To produce more efficient chips Azuro has developed a program called PowerCentric by concentrating on the clock network. In synchronous circuit designs all changes of state are coordinated by a clock, and this clock edge must be distributed to all parts of the chip. Since the clock signal is distributed throughout the entire circuit it can consume a large percentage of the energy used. Azuro's approach unifies the steps of clock gating and clock tree synthesis. Azuro has a patent pending on a technique it calls iCTS™ for doing this.

Three questions remain unanswered by any of the 'delete' supporters. 1) How is it that this company meets the requirements and Intellitech does not? 2) What usefulness does it hold to list Intellitech in other areas of the wikipedia (EDA companies) but not allow a simple, non-promotional definition? 3) If the definition of Notability from Wiki is: A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. How is it given the prior references, that Intellitech fails this test? Jtagchair (talk) 19:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• • I've put Azuro up for AfD as well, as you've fairly pointed out that what is appropriate for the Intellitech article is also fair for Azuro. —  X  S  G  02:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Note that Intellitech is the subject of at least two, independently written, EE times articles: [13] and [14]. Also, in EDN [15] and mentioned in [16]. Seems plenty notable.
  • These "independently written" articles are minor rewrites of corporate press releases. They're hardly references. Intellitech is non-notable. —  X  S  G  02:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
    • On the other hand, the editors think their readers might be interested. So at least some people familiar with the field think they are notable. LouScheffer (talk) 03:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, seems to meet WP:CORP, albeit in a rather specialised field. Please note that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS with regards to Azuro is not usually considered a valid rationale for keeping. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC).
• (Keep...now), I wikified the article, found two third-party citations, added references, and took out redundant see also section.--Sallicio 06:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - seems to meet the standards set forth in WP:CORP. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was merge into NBC slogans, done at User:Some Person/NBC slogans. Neıl ☎ 15:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Place to Be

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• Merge - into a "slogans" section on NBC, perhaps? —XSG 22:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete Not the place for THIS to be. While a lot of money is spent on adverstising campaigns, and they often are memorable, they come, they serve their purpose, and they go, never to be heard from again (except on a Dick Clark or Ed McMahon special). I don't see anything wrong with doing an article about all of NBC's slogans over the years. Individual articles about individual ad campaigns, however, are another matter. I'm sure that we all remember several different songs that we learned from commercials for McDonald's or Coca-Cola. But that doesn't mean that "You Deserve A Break Today" or "Coke Is It" (and those were a lot more notable than "The Place To Be") are worthy of their own entry in an encyclopedia. If anything, this illustrates the throw-away nature of a slogan for a network's new fall TV season. Mandsford (talk) 01:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge with similar AFD'd articles into one article. I could have sworn there was an article on the slogans. The topic is encyclopedic, but there's no need to have individual articles on each one. 23skidoo (talk) 23:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to NBC article. I cannot support 23skidoo's proposal to merge these articles to a separate article on NBC's slogans, because a television network's slogans are not sufficiently notable to justify a separate article from the television network itself. Just about every TV network ever in existence has had heaps of advertising slogans, and slogans are pretty trivial anyway. --SJK (talk) 09:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• I have attempted to merge the page here: User:Some Person/NBC slogans —Some Person (talk) 05:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Per my comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We're NBC, Just Watch Us Now, I think this is an excellent compromise solution and I am very impressed with the work Some Person has done. Can we close these AfDs and move the userspace version to article space? Gladys J Cortez 06:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• MERGE into parent NBC article. NN in itself.--Sallicio 08:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - just another non-notable slogan of the month. Not sure it's even worth mentioning in the parent article. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was merge into NBC slogans, done at User:Some Person/NBC slogans. Neıl ☎ 15:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Come Home to NBC

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• Merge - into a "slogans" section on NBC, perhaps? —XSG 22:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete WP:OR, uncited. As much info needed on this slogan (simply how long it lasted) is at List of NBC slogans Doc Strange (talk) 22:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or failing that, Merge to List of NBC slogans, or similar. Kevlar67 (talk) 01:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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• KEEP (provisionally), as much as I personally find the subject matter boring and uninteresting, I feel that it should be keep for the following reasons:
  • It is part of a legitimate list, and if this article is deleted, then all the others on the list that have internal links should also be deleted (then, as logic dictates, the whole list should be deleted, because if the content of the list not note-worthy, then the list is not note-worthy)
  • It is encyclopaedic in content.
  • It is not up to me to decide what is noteworthy because what is not note-worty to me, may be to another. As long as it follows the WP guidelines (encyclopaedic, referenced, and third-party cited) then I feel it should be included in this encyclopedia.
  • Here is the provision: it DOES, however, need references and third-party citations. If the author (or someone else with an interest) doesn't include this basic necessity for notability then it should be deleted.
  • The "localized versions" subsection is a bit redundant and unnecessary, though.Sallicio (talk) 00:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)Sallicio
• Delete Essentially, this is an article about a particular advertising campaign that ran twenty years ago. While a lot of money is spent on adverstising campaigns, and they often are memorable, they come, they serve their purpose, and they go, never to be heard from again (except on a Dick Clark or Ed McMahon special). In the case of a TV network's promotions for its new fall season, they come and go in a space of a few weeks. And they're almost never memorable; some of the most lame, generic material is that which is used for a "new fall season" promo. Come home, this fall NBC has it all, you'll be talking about this tomorrow... everything except for "Please, we beg of you, don't change the channel"... it's the lowest level of ad campaign. The really creative stuff isn't wasted on a promo lasting a few weeks. As Sallicio concedes, this is both boring and uninteresting.

I don't see anything wrong with doing an article about all of NBC's slogans over the years. Individual articles about individual ad campaigns, however, are another matter. I'm sure that we all remember several different songs that we learned from commercials for McDonald's or Coca-Cola. But that doesn't mean that "You Deserve A Break Today" or "Coke Is It" deserves its own entry in the encyclopedia. And definitely not "Come home to (local NBC affilliate)" Mandsford (talk) 01:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete. Sub-trivial topic, with no sign of real-world impact or notice. It's also completely unsourced by anything reliable: all I see for references are "Youtube, Youtube, Geocities, Youtube, Yahoogroups", etc". --Calton | Talk 15:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Merge with similar AFD'd articles into one article. I could have sworn there was an article on the slogans. The topic is encyclopedic, but there's no need to have individual articles on each one. 23skidoo (talk) 23:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge into one article about that network's slogans. Edison (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to NBC article. As per my comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Place to Be, I do not think a TV network's slogans deserve a separate article from the TV network itself. --SJK (talk) 09:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge - have attempted to do so here: User:Some Person/NBC slogans —Preceding comment was added at 05:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Per my comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We're NBC, Just Watch Us Now, I think this is an excellent compromise solution and I am very impressed with the work Some Person has done. Can we close these AfDs and move the userspace version to article space? Gladys J Cortez 06:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, m'kay? Blast Ulna (talk) 06:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - just another non-notable slogan-of-the-year. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was merge into NBC slogans, done at User:Some Person/NBC slogans. Neıl ☎ 15:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Let's All Be There

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• Merge - into a "slogans" section on NBC, perhaps? —XSG 22:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Let's not. I agree with XSG that this should be merged. This coincided with NBC's turnaround from last place to first, but it's little more than a piece of trivia in the Tartikoff and Cosby story. Mandsford (talk) 01:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge. Hell, the ONLY references I see are two Youtube links. No even CLOSE to notable, encyclopedic, having a real-world impact or notice, etc. --Calton | Talk 15:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge with similar AFD'd articles into one article. I could have sworn there was an article on the slogans. The topic is encyclopedic, but there's no need to have individual articles on each one. 23skidoo (talk) 23:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge I too agree that this article should be merged. I have a concern about the notabilty Canyouhearmenow 03:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge into one article about that network's slogans. Edison (talk) 03:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to NBC article. As per my comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Place to Be, I do not think a TV network's slogans deserve a separate article from the TV network itself. --SJK (talk) 09:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• I have attempted to merge the page here: User:Some Person/NBC slogans —Some Person (talk) 05:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Per my comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We're NBC, Just Watch Us Now, I think this is an excellent compromise solution and I am very impressed with the work Some Person has done. Can we close these AfDs and move the userspace version to article space? Gladys J Cortez 06:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge like all the other NBC slogans...how have they lasted this long?--Sallicio 08:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - like all the rest. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was merge into NBC slogans, done at User:Some Person/NBC slogans. Neıl ☎ 15:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Be There

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• Merge - into a "slogans" section on NBC, perhaps? —XSG 22:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Or maybe to Being There, failing that. — CharlotteWebb 13:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Merge into an article about the 1983-84 NBC season, which, as the article notes, was one in which all of NBC's fall premieres was a failure, or into an article about NBC's advertising campaigns in general. This was truly a slogan worthy of the year that gave us Manimal. A generic, unmemorable slogan in a season of unmemorable television shows, and not notable enough for its own separate article. Mandsford (talk) 01:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge with similar AFD'd articles into one article. I could have sworn there was an article on the slogans. The topic is encyclopedic, but there's no need to have individual articles on each one. 23skidoo (talk) 23:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge into one article about that network's slogans. Edison (talk) 03:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to NBC article. As per my comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Place to Be, I do not think a TV network's slogans deserve a separate article from the TV network itself and hence cannot support Edison's and 23skidoo's proposals to do so. --SJK (talk) 09:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• I have attempted to merge the page here: User:Some Person/NBC slogans —Some Person (talk) 05:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Per my comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We're NBC, Just Watch Us Now, I think this is an excellent compromise solution and I am very impressed with the work Some Person has done. Can we close these AfDs and move the userspace version to article space? Gladys J Cortez 06:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge like the others.--Sallicio 08:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete like the others --Orange Mike | Talk 14:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was merge into NBC slogans, done at User:Some Person/NBC slogans. Neıl ☎ 15:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] We're NBC, Just Watch Us Now

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• Merge - into a "slogans" section on NBC, perhaps? —XSG 22:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete I respect the author's knowledge of NBC's television programming, and I would support an article combining the slogan articles into one retrospective of the network's advertising strategy. But like all of the other slogans, this is a footnote, a piece of trivia, that coincided with the television season. "Be there", "Just Watch Us Now", "Come Home", etc. are among the least notable of the many advertising campaigns in history. Mandsford (talk) 01:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge with similar AFD'd articles into one article. I could have sworn there was an article on the slogans. The topic is encyclopedic, but there's no need to have individual articles on each one. (Apologies for doing a C&P job on my comments for these similar articles. This probably was one occasion where they could have been rolled into one nomination) 23skidoo (talk) 23:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge into one article about that network's slogans. Edison (talk) 03:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Question. What will be done with the links for individual instances (such as the link for this article showing a customized WAVY version of the Just Watch Us Now campaign from a 25th anniversary special)? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to NBC article. As per my comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Place to Be, I do not think a TV network's slogans deserve a separate article from the TV network itself. --SJK (talk) 09:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• I have attempted to merge the page here: User:Some Person/NBC slogans —Some Person (talk) 05:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I think this is an excellent compromise solution and I am very impressed with the work Some Person has done. Can we close this AfD and move the userspace version to article space? Gladys J Cortez 06:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Support Some Person's project, as it keeps the info while incorporating in into the list. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 15:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• MERGE all the others.--Sallicio 08:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - like all the others —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 14:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Keep. Discussion of a move/re-name can continue at the article's talk page. Sancho 17:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AIBA African Olympic Boxing Qualifying Tournament 2008 - Light flyweight

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Apart from the article being named incorrectly - it really isn't notable. The article doesn't assert the notability and is only about a WP:NN qualification tournament. Scarian^{Call me Pat} 20:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. Now moved to a more sensible title. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 06:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep -- I think that any qualifying event for the Olympics is notable --SJK (talk) 09:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep: I have no idea what it is but it seems to barely fall within regs for notability.--Sallicio 08:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep but rename (again) why should this focus on only one weight class? AIBA African Olympic Boxing Qualifying Tournament 2008 or 2008 AIBA African Olympic Boxing Qualifying Tournament would be better, and the info from other weight classes could be included. (It's called "AIBA 1st Africa Olympic Qualifying Tournament-Algiers, Algeria" here.) Notability is fairly clear as an Olympic qualifying international tournament, and I've linked some sources that provide coverage.[17] [18] [19] — Scientizzle 17:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy deleted. Prodego ^talk 23:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] K-Doe

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Claims of notability, but Just Another Non-notable MySpace Personality (tm). Corvus cornix_talk 23:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion: Non-notable. Already deleted past attempts to create article and none have the notability. --Esanchez_{(Talk 2 me or Sign here)} 23:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

To infinity and beyond delete, in lay speak, per JANMP above Travellingcari (talk) 23:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion - no evidence of notabilty. --Fredrick day (talk) 23:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy delete, this is just as unimportant as any of those clunky MySpace bands that get put up once every minute. _contribsSTYROFOAM☭1994^TALK 23:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• A7 per total lack of notability, so tagged. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Napoleon Noir

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Harry Potter fanfic character with 25 ghits, many of which are not in English and don't appear to relate to the subject. No apparent speedy category, so it's here. Recommend Delete. // Chris ^{(complaints)•(contribs)} 23:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• I feel that these claims are false. There are 422,000 ghits, but many are, i admit, not related to this subject. But seeing as this is an underground HP fandom character (small sites, using free services) that do not appear on google, then it shouldn't matter. I welcome any edits to the page, as i feel that it is not fully finished and has not reached it's full potential. Any ideas or comments for the page are also welcomed. IronOne (talk) 23:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Please familiarize yourself with WP:N (our notability guidelines) first. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Delete Article (and likely character) author's assetion of 422,000 ghits is demonstratively false. [20] The first page of ghits seems to show they're mainly about Toussaint Louverture and a mixed drink, though pictures of somebody's dog show up before the first non-Wikipedia hit for about this non-notable fan character. Edward321 (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • While I agree with your assessment, to be fair, the 422.000 ghits count was based on a query without quotations.[21]--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Edward321. Doctorfluffy (talk) 02:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as silliness. --Tony Sidaway 13:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. I'm too lazy to come up with an appropriately bad Harry Potter joke right now. --Calton | Talk 15:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Actually doesn't this thing qualify for speedy under the "web content" provision of WP:CSD#A7? --Tony Sidaway 16:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I tried under G1 (Aztecs, end of the world, etc.), so it seemed bad form to try again under a different criteria. But I think there's an assertion of notability, even if it is unsubstantiated. Could this qualify for a WP:SNOW close? // Chris ^{(complaints)•(contribs)} 16:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —Gavin Collins (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

  Yes, this is a classic snow close. Saying somebody is a fan fiction character is not asserting notability because it's a de facto statement that this character does not appear in the books or films or anything else from the pen of the author JK Rowling.--Tony Sidaway 22:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mandi Henson

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Delete. References do not establish notability. Claim of national recognition not supporterd by evidence. WWGB (talk) 22:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete , per nom. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete. I'm sure she's a lovely person, but....Be best (talk) 12:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - no reliable sources to establish notability -- Whpq (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. krimpet✽ 03:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mario Kart Drunk Dash

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WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:N, WP:NFT. PROD tag was removed by author. EJF (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NFT; no assertation of notability, appears to be made up. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NFT, but also because it's not notable. — Cuyler91093 - Соитяівцтіоиѕ 22:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Maxamegalon2000 06:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete totally NN drinking game, looks made up Doc Strange (talk) 16:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 15:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nörthwind

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El Retorno Del Rey (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable, fails WP:BAND. No sources at all, no evidence of notability. No recognized label or charted songs. Not much of anything at all. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete for failure of WP:BAND. I've bundled in an article on the band's second album. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above, no reliable sources, only brief mentions in a Spanish news website (google news archive) Cenarium (talk) 11:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 13:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Off Minor

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Article fails to assert notability under WP:MUSIC. Has realeased only a handful of records on a small non-notable indie label but has no coverage in second party sources neonwhite user page talk 22:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Argument on their labels and records seems somewhat irrelevant; there are plenty of bands who've only released a few records on small labels that still have pages. It dosen't matter how many records or what labels they're on, because they still have popularity and are connected to several other notable bands. However, I agree that there aren't any refrences or sources on page; will add.Howl5 (talk) 20:54, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, doesn't appear to meet any of the WP:MUSIC criteria. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC).
• Delete per Lankiveil. Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC criteria. --On the other side ^Contribs|@ 04:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete:NN per WP:BAND--Sallicio 08:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 21:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DarkSun

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Non-notable band, fails WP:BAND. No reliable sources (sorry, MySpace doesn't count), no evidence of signing by a major label or a song on a recognized chart. Article borders on fancruft. Only thread of notability I can find is that the band split off from another band with an article. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete for failing WP:MUSIC. I don't think Nörthwind is all that notable either, might wanna check into it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• I was working on it as you wrote. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nörthwind. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• My bad. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Nothing bad at all. You're just fast, and smart. :-) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The article is unlikely to be deleted. I do agree that I need to enunciate the band's notability better. I think it could be btter just to tag on the article {{unsourced}} because you're right about one thing - it needs references. Rockk3r Talk to me15:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• I disagree. Unless you're able to find reliable sources references that I couldn't find, there's just not enough there for DarkSun to pas the notability standards. But feel free to add any you find. My mind can (and has been) changed. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

On the band's official website says that they have worked with many important bands like: Primal Fear, Sinner, Rage, Angra... Also says that their album El Lado Oscuro had a great acceptance by the public and was named one of the best Spanish heavy metal albums of the year, they have releasedn 3 studio albums in 5 or 6 years and they are recordind their 4th one DarkSun Website, They wouldn't lie on their website. If this is not important tell me what is then. Rockk3r (talk 13:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• They wouldn't lie on their web site? Really? I think I have some prime real estate in the South Alabama Swamps I'd like to sell you at a great price.... Of course they may lie on their web site! People do it all the time! Yeesh... - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per above, no reliable sources, I've found information on them on a couple of Spanish news website [22] but the coverage doesn't appear to be substantial enough (on the band itself I mean) and there are not enough sources, i.e., WP:MUSIC is still not satisfied (I've just noticed that WP:BAND redirects elsewhere now). Cenarium (talk) 11:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete no reliable third-party sources that indicate that this band meets any of the WP:MUSIC criteria. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC).

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The result was No consensus to delete.. Black Kite 01:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mr Gay Sweden

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Declined A7 based on older version of the article. Previous out-of-process deletion (deleted as a revert when previous versions had content). Figured it should come here for scrutiny. Remaining neutral. - Revolving Bugbear 22:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Google finds two articles but I can't judge whether they're reliable as I don't read Swedish. Neutral until someone can provide info on the sources. Travellingcari (talk) 22:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral. I put speedy on it for lack of content because it was less than a stub when I found it. I did not realise that it had had more content previously. I thought it was a brand new article as it was on the New Articles list. There is now enough content for a short article, so my original reason for suggesting deletion is now addressed. I have no opinion on its notability but it needs better references. With decent references I will change to "keep". --DanielRigal (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • It was technically a new article because it was deleted out-of-process as a redirect after it was unilaterally blanked. I restored the old version. - Revolving Bugbear 23:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, I'm sure the required supporting material can be found relatively easily and the article expanded. I'd work on it myself but would probably be best to have someone from Sweden to take full advantage of Swedish language sources. Wexcan  Talk  00:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete until and unless significant coverage can be found. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge into Mr Gay Europe. Aleta (Sing) 00:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and expand, or merge into Mr. Gay Europe. Exploding Boy (talk) 16:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge into Mr Gay Europe - two stubs might make a start. ZueJay (talk) 17:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gukgi

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The results ar for a movie, I find no evidence that this competition, when it existed, was notable. Travellingcari (talk) 22:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. The article has no context (which would qualify it as a speedy delete), there are no claims of notability (which would also qualify as an A7 speedy), and there are only 1,340 ghits. — Cuyler91093 - Соитяівцтіоиѕ 23:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, no attention since about this time last year. Wexcan  Talk  01:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• DeleteNot convinced about notability(Shonali2000 (talk) 06:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC))

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The result was delete. Should more information become available closer to the release date, I encourage User:TBrauns to recreate the article, making sure that only reliable sources are cited (this excludes iMDB). Spebi 09:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Drag Me to Hell

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Fails WP:CRYSTAL and future film guidelines. Film has not finished production, and only "source" is IMDB. Collectonian (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL Ward3001 (talk) 22:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Variety has an article on this upcoming film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.28.210 (talk) 17:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• As does Joblo.com, and there is an IMDB.com page for the film.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjwells (talk • contribs) 09:16, 12 February 2008

• Per the future film guidelines, "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should not have their own articles, unless the production itself is notable per notability guidelines." This film has not been released and nothing is notable about its production. Collectonian (talk) 15:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, but edit to reflect more information than IMDB. Let's link to online articles confirming the movie's existence, regardless of phase, and give this article more substance before deleting it. Rockhound (talk) 02:11, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy Delete by User:Alexf (CSD G11: Blatant advertising) non-admin close. —Travis^talk 00:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GoYin

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The article contains no information to show that the company is notable. Instead of creating a link to MLM, the article reexplains the concept which can be found in another entry. I did not delete that part because it makes up half the article's content. The ingredients are described from the marketing standpoint from the company. Instead of describing the ingredients as stated on the nutrion facts label without bias, it breaks it down on the reputation of a superfruit even as according to information gathered here, lychee is an alleged superfruit. the article is redundant on what the product is. If I delete it, there will be no content left. The company mentions a marketed compensation plan without clearly defining what type of network marketing it is. This is basically why I put this article for deletion. Holannakata (talk) 21:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete G11, seems to be blatant advertising to me. So tagged. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as spam. No WP:RS so fails WP:ORG anyhow. Sting au Buzz Me... 23:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete per original author's request (below)combined with no significant contributions outside that author's work. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chrono commando

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Unnotable video game element. Sources cited have no info on the subject either. See also Wikipedia is not a (game) guide. hateless 21:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. I am new to wiki so still learning all the things your not supposed to write but go ahead and delete it. It only took half hour to make so its not a big deal. February 10 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshValov (talk • contribs) 21:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as the info is better in game website than here. I recommend that the creator look into The Command and Conquer Wikia--Lenticel ^(talk) 23:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

What is the Game Website? JoshValov (talk) 05:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, not a game guide. This unit is not notable in the wider world, either. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC).

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The result was merge... to be performed by an editor. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 04:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Tourism Queen International 2006

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Non-notable pageant decision. 2007 edition article was deleted at AFD.

Also nominating:

• Miss Tourism Queen International 2005
• Miss Tourism Queen International 2004 PageantUpdater talk • contribs 21:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Merge the lot of them to Miss Tourism Queen International. The article is currently lacking, but there's evidence of notability and that article could be fixed up. Travellingcari (talk) 22:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• After carefully weighing the article’s substance, its notability, and including the reliability of sources, I highly recommend for the deletion of the article for lack of notability to be included in an encyclopedia as described above and as noted by other editors.--Jet Perry (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per Travellingcari. Wexcan  Talk  01:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to Miss Tourism Queen International. The pageant itself is notable, but not so much that individual year articles are appropriate. That said, it's obvious that someone has worked hard on this, so it's worth salvaging what we can. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC).
• Merge into a single article. I !voted for the deletion of the 2007 event Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Tourism Queen International 2007, on the grounds of lack of the actual sourcing that would be expected for a really notable event of this nature and this holds here as well. The combined article would presumably talk as it now does only about the winners each year, the event does not seem to be notable enough for the detailed list of delegates, nor the detail of what countries were not represented. There is a place for that kind of detail, which is the event's own web site. DGG (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 12:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pamela Skillings

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Non-notable business person whose main claim of notability seems to be a blog and a yet-to-be-released book. No significant independent coverage. Notability tag was added in October 2007 and removed two days later without significant additions by account who recently has been spamming Wikipedia with links to Skillings' website (with deceptive edit summaries). Possible WP:COI and WP:ADVERT issues; editor who added the article is an WP:SPA. Torc2 (talk) 21:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as not notable. Notability not established from blog and/or future book. Agree probably spam. -- MightyWarrior (talk) 21:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. No reliable, independent references. Pburka (talk) 21:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - no reliable sources to support notability -- Whpq (talk) 18:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Popular columnist on About.com and Lifehack.org. Numerous references in Yahoo Finance, Investors Business Daily, Christian Science Monitor Plato6006 (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC) — Plato6006 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • comment of the sources added, only one (the Yahoo article, and even that is questionable) meets WP:RS. The others are blogs or self-published material. This does not establish significant coverage. Also worth noting the similarities between the user names of Plato6006 and the article creator, Jbean6006 still raises WP:COI issues.
  • comment I disagree with your assessment. The coverage is from national periodicals Yahoo Finance, Investor's Business Daily, Christian Science Monitor. Honestly, I really don't see why you're taking issue with the article itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plato6006 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• Per WP:N, "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." So let's review this source by source:

1. LifeHack.org - is a primary source, not independent coverage.
2. Christian Science Monitor - Is a single quote from Skilling, not an article about her. It is a trivial mention that does not help establish notability.
3. ^ Yahoo Finance - Us mostly about the topic of job satisfaction, not about Skilling. Her name is mentioned and she is often quoted, but it's not really about her. It's weak evidence of notability.
4. ^ Pamela Skillings - Not independent, promotional in nature.
5. ^ Skillful Communications - Not independent.

With that addressed, I hope you'll respond to my questions: Are you affiliated in any way with Ms. Skilling or her company? And are you the same editor as the one who created the article? —Torc. ^(Talk.) 23:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I looked at the blog site extensively, and it does not seem to be spammy. It seems more along the lines of the Tim Ferris blog. She does seem to be a legitimate author with a book from Random House and other notable references.(Also, since I just started I don't think its fair to call my account "single purpose" - it has after all only been a day. My other interests include philosophy, pop culture, physics. Please don't immediately discount my opinion. Doing research on proposed deletions seems one of the easiest ways to begin contributing - Cheers). Plato6006 (talk) 4:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • comment - You voted twice? —Torc. ^(Talk.) 23:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was redirect. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gilmore Community School

Gilmore Community School (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable elementary school, and the 'article' is nothing more than a business card, Note also the infobox whose elementary school listings are nearly all redlinks from AfD/speedy deletions. No evidence of any notability Travellingcari (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, doesn't assert notability in any way. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect as nn to School District 41 Burnaby in line with WP:SCHOOLS proposed policy which states, "A school article that fails to establish notability will not be deleted, if the school can be confirmed to exist, but would be appropriately merged and redirected." I fully realize the policy is a proposal but until it gets sorted out best to go with the redirects. Sting au Buzz Me... 04:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to the school district page as suggested above. (jarbarf) (talk) 08:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Redirect as nn. CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect as per WP:N and WP:SCHOOLS as cited by Sting au. Cite WP:SCHOOLS enough and maybe it will become de facto policy. Noroton (talk) 21:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Agreed with redirect, I've just taken care of all the remaining elem schools that hadn't been deleted and redirected them to School District 41 Burnaby. I didn't do this one because of the AfD but as nom, I'd obviously support it and consensus. Travellingcari (talk) 21:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sheri Staplehurst

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Non-notable individual. No sources given for any of this information. She returns 10 Google hits, none for the radio work. Metros (talk) 20:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment I know she works behind the scenes in radio, from a friend in the industry... --Solumeiras (talk) 20:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

"I heard it from a friend" is not a reliable source. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as not notable; working "somewhere" in the radio industry is not enough! NB: Cf. Lara Rorich. -- MightyWarrior (talk) 21:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Pburka (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as not notable. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:02, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - no reliable sources to establish notability, and no soources to verify some of the information such s radio work. Directory listings establish that she is a model, but there are no articles about her. -- Whpq (talk) 18:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lara Rorich

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Non-notable individual. She returns 34 Google hits and not a single one proves notability or proves she's a radio presenter. Metros (talk) 20:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I know she works behind the scenes in radio, from a friend in the radio industry... --Solumeiras (talk) 20:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Well "I heard it from a friend" is not verifiable or a reliable source. And working "behind the scenes" is not entirely notable. Metros (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as not notable. Working "somewhere" in the radio industry is not enough! -- MightyWarrior (talk) 21:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as not notable. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - no reliable sources. And this is the second model from MOT Modelling listed in AFD. Are they spamming their clients into wikipedia? -- Whpq (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seneca Doss

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Not much claim of meeting WP:Notability; 12 non-wiki ghits, none of which show notability. No sources in article that indicate notability. Contested prod. Fabrictramp (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

PS. Also Wikipedia:Autobiography issues. --Fabrictramp (talk) 20:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - per WP:NFT. Æetlr Creejl 20:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. All web hits I can find are self promotion. Pburka (talk) 21:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as not notable. No evidence of notability presented. NB: editor who created article appears to be a WP:SPA. -- MightyWarrior (talk) 21:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - no reliable sources to establish notability -- -Whpq (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• DeleteUnconvinced about notability(Shonali2000 (talk) 06:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC))

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The result was Delete for lack of reliable independent sources. Fram (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sixearch

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Article was speed'd twice. Non-notable software. Keeps coming back. Now it has three references, all are articles written by the developers. No independent third party references can be found. Looking for another delete with salt please. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 20:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete and season, results limited to forum threads and nothing even close to an RS Travellingcari (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. I left a notability tag and a few User talk messages, but couldn't get any appropriate response from the main editors of the article, User:Illuminated and User:Lewu. This article came to my attention when Illuminated added it to List of search engines. Stuff shouldn't be in that list if it's not a genuine search engine with a real user base, something that requires reliable sources that have taken notice of the search engine. Hence the appropriateness of this AfD. EdJohnston (talk) 21:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

OK.. There is no need for salt here. So from what you said getting published does not count as a third party approval then. This is unfortunate... In this case, if you plan to delete it again, please at least leave it till Tuesday (US time) and I will either remove it, defend it or improve it. BTW how big is the user base to be considered as notable? Is there a guideline for the number in Wiki?

For the record, the second delete was done before I even finished writing the article. I don't know that you can't leave an article hanging for couple of hours. I took a break, went home and it was deleted before I finished my dinner. :( Glad to see people working hard on cleaning Wiki though. (This is a compliment not a sarcasm.) Please don't get a wrong idea, I'm not trying to spam Wiki here.

To EdJohnston: The an anonymous contributor, 75.60.173.151 who removed the notability tag was me, my login time expired so it didn't log my name.

Illuminated (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I have edited the article to highlight aspects of the project that may constitute evidence for notability. This is a collaborative network designed to support context-aware, adaptive, social search and a mature prototype application that supports the network has only been released publicly in recent weeks. This explains the small number of google hits for the query 'sixearch' since this name was only adopted with this recent prototype. Previously the sofware was known by the original project name '6s' or '6search' however it is difficult to determine the hits since these are not uncommon terms. Since this network is completely decentralized, it is also difficult to determine the number of users. We can only determine the number of users who have volunteered to participate in a user study. I believe this number is in the order of 100. I also added information on NSF funding and awards. The IBM award was based on a proposal to leverage UIMA to extend 6s. I can add that i have been invited to give presentations about sixearch to at least 10 academic meetings around the world in the last few months. Sixearch is considered a major example of 'social search'. Hence it was appropriate to link this article from the 'social search' section of List of search engines. If it is determined that these factors do not constitute sufficient evidence to establish notability, it would be useful to know what would be considered appropriate for a decentralized system like this, for which no usage statistics are yet available. Thanks.

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comment - the awards and the grants you referenced do not mention the software at all. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Why wouldn't this be appropriate for the 'non-commercial use' section of Social_search, much like the University of Minnesota's MovieLens page under Collaborative Filtering. There's very little information on the social search page to begin with.

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comment - because the "if that can be here then this should be here" argument does not apply. The article needs to establish notability. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I disagree with regards to the notability motion- Sixsearch is a growing research project at Indiana University. It has a burgeoning user-base across departments and name recognition within the web mining and social web academic sphere. This software represents as viable, notable development project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.106.32 (talk) 04:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It is nice you think it is notabile. Now please show us independent third party references that help establish this per the notability guidelines. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Sixearch has been continually developing and improving since 2003 and it already has many users in various areas. With a limited number of existing social search application, Sixearch is the only example of using the unstructured approach (without using any distributed has table or ontology). I think, for a non-commercial (not self-promotion) open source application like Sixearch , which also has proven its notability by published many papers in conferences and book chapter, it is appropriate to include it in the Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lewu (talk • contribs) 07:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC) — Lewu (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Keep For the same argument above and one more thing. Just because the article was speed deleted twice does not make this version not appropriate for Wiki. Illuminated (talk) 16:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

and that is why it was brought here and not speedied again :) Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - there are no reliable sources independent of the subject covering Sixearch. -- Whpq (talk) 18:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, I can't find any third-party sources to assert that this is notable software. Support salting the article title, given the history of re-creation. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC).

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The result was Delete as Wikipedia is not a dictionary as stated throughout the discussion.--JForget 02:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Headliner (concert)

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As it stands, no more than a dicdef, and I can't see that it can be anything more. Already defined in Wiktionary. Emeraude (talk) 13:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. WP:WINAD is policy, and to expand on this would be original research.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 14:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Kakofonous (talk) 17:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep satisfies WP:Notability as it is a well established term. While I do not see this article ever being large, I do see it becoming a concise but well-written one in the future. Zidel333 (talk) 18:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• That's exactly the point. A well-established term belongs in a dictionary.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 22:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Definitely has potential beyond a dictionary definition (which it currently is). Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

• Could you please provide some evidence that this is the case without violating core content policies WP:NOR, WP:V and WP:NOT#IINFO?--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 07:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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• delete dicdefs, no matter how notable, belong in a dictionary not an encyclopedia. Travellingcari (talk) 20:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• delete - def only. will never be encyclopedic. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 20:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. There's a separate project for dictionary definitions you know. That's where definitions of 'terms' belong, however notable.--Michig (talk) 20:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and Wiktionary already has an article regarding this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuyler91093 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Spebi 06:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Global Remote Sensing, LLC.

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A search indicates that the concept of global remote sensing is notable but there's nothing to show that this company is in any way notable to pass WP:CORP. Although I can't find the source online to confirm copyright violation, the article is a blatant c/p from somewhere and without any information, this article cannot be encyclopedic. Travellingcari (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete (unless sources pop up to prove notability and legitimate content is added). I can't find anything to show this company is notable, either, and there is little or no content there that's encyclopedic - it's all like a business directory listing and statement of business plans, not the kind of stuff we cover. Wikidemo (talk) 05:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Boldly redirected to Laser (dinghy) by User:Gtstricky, no need to keep discussion open. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Laser 8.1

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This page seems unfit for an encyclopedia. It is a just a random collection of information on a boat. The boat itself is not very important. It is an not suitable for an encyclopedia. Tcpekin 19:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete, no assertion of notability. --Dhartung | Talk 19:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• delete information found appears trivial and without context, I don't see this as an article. Can it be merged somewhere? I don't know enough about boating to find it a home. Travellingcari (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• redirect - to Laser (dinghy) Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 20:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and did the redirect since it seemed like a no brainer. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 20:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete Also undid the user talk redirect, thanks for the notice, Sting au. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Katalyst Global

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as nn. Looks like WP:COI might be involved as username of article creator matches a company founders name at the article. User talk page was turned into redirect to the article too. So shows they were only interested in plugging the company. No WP:RS so fails WP:ORG. Sting au Buzz Me... 23:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete, fails WP:CORP. COI issues are also troubling. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC).

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The result was delete. Spebi 06:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lynguent

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep There is a lot of information out there on the company. The subject is growing, so let the article develop.--Riley2008 (talk) 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as nn - Can't find anything I'd see as WP:RS so fails WP:ORG. Sting au Buzz Me... 23:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete. I fail to see how listing sites that publish press release meets WP:CORP, WP:RS, WP:V or WP:N. Vegaswikian (talk) 09:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. The references so far are all company press releases, and I couldn't find anything better. Subject does not appear to pass WP:CORP.--Kubigula (talk) 17:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was keep. John254 01:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intellectual dishonesty

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Finishing incomplete nom by User:Kaiwhakahaere. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete. It is more than a year since a notice was put on this asking for references. No-one has bothered in all that time, so it is a totally unreferenced entry which makes it very much opinion and not able to justify inclusion in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia.Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 21:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. WP:Sofixit. There is plenty out there _directly_ addressing the concept. The concept of intellectual dishonesty has received widespread coverage "...by sources [that] address the subject directly in detail" "...in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Mostlyharmless (talk) 22:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The article is on the agendas of two WikiProjects, it will be improved eventually.--Son of Somebody (talk) 22:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SOFIXIT; existing sources indicate that this is a subject of note. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep The phrase is frequently used in the popular culture, especially on talk radio.--Focusfrost (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy Deleted CSD G11 by User:Spebi. Non-admin closure. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Target Travel

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 12:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] EGM Green

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The references seem to pass the test of multiple coverage by reliable sources. --Eastmain (talk) 20:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep agree with above(i worked on this article full disclosure)
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The result was Redirect all to Triumphant Quartet. JERRY ^talk _contribs 00:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Inman

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There is some coverage, mainly naming the subject and his father's being in a band and band appearances. Nothing that he, or the award he won is notable. Also nominating the following related page because it's his father who also doesn't appear notable in any way:

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• Redirect both to Triumphant Quartet. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Can i add David Sutton (singer) to this debate for the same reasons as above? --Montchav (talk) 16:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

And Eric Bennett and Jeff Stice while we're at it. --Montchav (talk) 16:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

• CommentI'm not even positive Triumphant Quartet would pass WP:BAND, let alone the members. I can't find evidence of its notability short from "it exists". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travellingcari (talk • contribs) 18:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete - no references , individual non-notable --B.C ^{say what ?} 20:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Triumphant Quartet. The group is only borderline notable, individual articles for each band member is pushing it a bit too far, I think. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC).

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The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] EMRI - Emergency Management And Research Institute

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, I see non-trvial coverage in Indian press including: Times of India and Hindu. Travellingcari (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, The article, while not about an extremely high-profile subject, does not seem to me to be "non-notable." It certainly could use some work, but that is another mater. I invite Excariver to convince me with something more than a simple assertion. Pzavon (talk) 21:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep we have deleted such articles for individual US county organisations, but this one is of national scope.DGG (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A1 -- pb30<talk> 21:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Total Sport

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If you're going to start an article, do it properly. Lee Stanley (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - there is no information (as in nothing) in this article ,unless some information is provided it should be deleted --B.C ^{say what ?} 19:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - no context. Æetlr Creejl 20:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete. There were not multiple independent sources that give significant coverage of this subject. The references only confirmed the existence of the company, were internship postings, or were simply passing mentions in the context of another subject.Sanchom (talk · contribs)

[edit] The Campus Special

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - there is no assertion of notabilty. In fact, there's nothing but an infobox and an underconstruction tag that's been there for a few days with no actual construction taking place. -- Whpq (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete - the article now has actual content, but there are no reliable sources to establish notabilty. The references provided are not indpendent of the subject. -- Whpq (talk) 14:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Question - I will try to add more sources such as news sites that mention the company and career centers that work with the company. How many sources do i need to site until people will think this is a real company? Msu123 (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

reply - The question is not whether the company is real, but rather whether it is notable. We have fairly strong rules about notable companies, and how to document them; and I'm not sure whether this one qualifies. Your sources are rather weak, and marketing-related (which weakens their reliability, for reasons that I'm sure you understand as a marketing student). --Orange Mike | Talk 14:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• I apologize for any actions that i may have taken that aren't in accordance with the wikipedia rules. I am starting this page for a school project. Please let me know what i need to edit in order to comply with the rules. Msu123 (talk) 20:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Question: Could you explain what school project this wiki article is for, and disclose any connection you might have with the subject of the article? -- Whpq (talk) 14:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Answer - This is an extra credit assignment for my marketing class. Just about every student at our school and these other universities know these coupon books around campus and they didn’t have an entry on this site so I picked them. Besides being a student that has seen the book I don’t have any other connections with them. Msu123 (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Circulation seems notable enough. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment - They are coupon books given away for free, and not a circulation magazine so I'm not sure if you could call it circulation. In any case, there's no sources for the number. -- Whpq (talk) 14:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment - I didn't post the number of books they print. Msu123 (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply: We (at least I am) are referring to the statement in the article They are based out of Atlanta and Chicago and print 2.5 million coupon books annually for 70 public & private universities. -- Whpq (talk) 21:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply: Ok thanks, I thought you were refering to a by school basis. I've tried to change many of the statements and use more sources. My goal is to keep this from being deleted, so I have no problem with removing things like "2.5 million." Please let me know your thoughts! I need the extra credit!! : ) Msu123 (talk) 21:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep - but needs sourcing to the financial press, not to college papers and the like. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Considering this is the best source I could find, and it provides no real information upon which to base a proper article, I'd have to say there's insufficient coverage for a global encyclopedia. — Scientizzle 17:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 22:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ASPIDER Solutions

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. This article certainly reeks of WP:SPAM. Also, I haven't been able to find much about the company, so the article wouldn't meet WP:V. This appears to be an upstart company, not (yet?) notable enough for Wikipedia. Aecis^Brievenbus 00:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. It hasn't established notability and doesn't tell you anything about the subject. Thanks, George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk^{Help and assistance} 00:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete. One WP:SPA ignored, arguments for deletion were valid. Arguments for keep were of the inherited notability variety, which are not deemed valid. JERRY ^talk _contribs 03:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Stinemetz Law Firm

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non notable law firm Excariver (talk) 19:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Note coverage in Houston Business Journal and in other reliable sources. --Eastmain (talk) 20:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Weak delete. I originally tagged this for speedy and then removed it when more references were added, but I warned the author that it read like a news release and still needed work. Alas, the material added since then has made that situation worse, not better. The law firm is marginally notable, and the article is very much promotional despite the sources. I don't see this article getting any better, and I suspect there's also a COI involved here as well. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• I wrote this article in an attempt to give presence on Wikipedia of what I think is a trend in the legal services industry. It appears though that I am running afoul of rules that I was not aware of, for which I sincerely apologize. I also truly respect your efforts to keep Wikipedia clean of promotional rif-raf. I am willing to rewrite the article per some specific guidelines. I understand that some may think that it is not notable. Which I think is in the eye of the beholder. There are hundreds of articles out there on Wiki dedicated to law firms, and the only difference with this one is the number of attorneys they employ. They all have the same business model. This one doesn't, and it is representative of an emerging trend. However, if the majority consensus is that it should be deleted, then so be it. By the way, I also wrote the original article on the high school that I attended. Perhaps that was a COI as well. --Ivodjambov (talk) 23:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your understanding. In a nutshell, each subject stands or falls on its own merits and notability. Those law firms which have articles already have usually made themselves notable through participation in notable cases, longevity, well-known partners, or other things that have put those firms in the public eye. Frankly, there are a number of articles about law firms that don't really belong, but we haven't gotten around to them yet. (We have a lot of articles to keep an eye on around here!) We also get lots and lots of articles about companies of all kinds that are written by owners or employees that are meant to promote the company, so we keep a particularly close watch for those. As for your high school, I suspect that nearly every such article here has substantial work done by current or former students, so as long as the articles aren't overtly promotional, COI usually gets a pass on those articles. Besides, high schools are held to be pretty much automatically notable by longstanding convention. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 01:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Note coverage in Houston Business Journal. That guy Stinemetz was also quoted in today's Wall Street Journal. --Laddicks (talk) 01:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: Citation, please? - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 02:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
  • i don't know about the WSJ but here's an assorted list of references from the Financial Times: http://search.ft.com/search?queryText=stinemetz&aje=true&dse=&dsz= --Ivodjambov (talk) 02:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
  • and a couple of references from the Houston Chronicle http://search.chron.com/chronicle/search.do --Ivodjambov (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: I'm seeing a trend here. We seem to be doing a good job of asserting the notability of Doug Stinemetz, but not necessarily his firm. Many of the links provided refer to his work with his former firm (and the only Chron link relevant to the firm simply refers back to another ref in the HBJ). I'm beginning to wonder of a beter course of action would be to have an article about Doug Stinemetz himself, with a section about the firm as a part of that. I realize it's a semantic difference, but it's an important one. How does that sound? - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 02:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] JProductivity

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Why not notable? The company and especially their Protection product are very good. I think Protection is the only licensing framework of choice in the Java world. Nothing else could compare... So it's definitely important product and the company itself for the Java community. And overall, there's not too much Software Licensing offerings listed in the DRM category. Therefore just another good addition would not be bad at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.73.0.193 (talk) 23:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

As far as the company's products being "very good" is concerned, please read WP:ILIKEIT. It doesn't matter if they are good or bad, what matters is whether the company is notable, for instance through coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If "being good" had been a criterion, we wouldn't have had an article on Microsoft ;) Aecis^Brievenbus 23:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Leaning towards delete, there's no indication that the products are any different from the loads of products on the market, and the only coverage I have been able to find is this press release on Business Wire. Aecis^Brievenbus 23:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that "very good" should not matter at all. However, when talking about licensing software development companies there are very few companies. Licensing Solutions is very niche market with Macrovision being the dominant player. I would disagree that jProductivity products are no different from (as you put it) "loads of products on the market" - however this is just a metter of openion and I belive should not be a reason for deletion. Plus there is no way to indicate such info in the article without sounding impartial. Regardless if jproductivity's products are different or not different - they have niche product and competing in the tight market (i.e., licensing solution) dominated by Macrovision. As for coverages - there are few. For examples: SDTimes By David Rubinstein;JavaWorld;JavaLobby;PRNewsWire;EON BusinessWire;ThomasNet. There are a number of examples of companies "not as notable" as Microsoft that have articles about the companies on Wikipedia - for example Designers_Management_Agency (I would not want to bring more example of such). I would appritiate if you would strongly consider to reconsider your "Leaning towards delete" position. I would like to write an article about companie's flagship product "Protection! Licensing Framework" and it , of course, would not be possible without reference to the company itself. Please contact me via email if there is anything I could be of help. Regards Karra.sun (talk) 01:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Notability on Wikipedia is determined not by whether we think a subject is notable, but whether there are reliable sources which indicate that others have found it reliable. All I see are press releases. Regardless of the merits of the product, there are no independent reliable sources to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 19:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I did some more research and here are the sources I was able to find which are not press-releases. Dr. Dobb's by Rick Wayne; Dr. Dobb's by Shannon Cochran; Application Development Trends By ADT Staff; Application Development Trends By Rich Seeley; Computerworld By Mark Hall; Delphi Informant Magazine By DI Stuff; Java Developer's Journal-JDJ By SYS-CON Media Staff and , as mentioned previously, SDTimes By David Rubinstein. I am giving my "best shot" if you still think that this is not enough - oh, well... One question though, when we talking about companies in a very niche market (such as jProductivity in licensing market) what level of notability WP would expect? You would agree, I hope, that niche markets are not getting as much publicity, reviews, etc. in comparison to the companies/products in the the mainstream marketplace for several reasons - one of which is "because these markets are small (niche)" and "not that much interesting to write about". To quote WP's article on Niche Markets - "...they (niche markets) are by nature small in comparison to the mainstream marketplace...". So, does this means that no company in the niche market have a chance to be written about in WP? because unless such company/product is moved into mainstream then there is almost no chance to become "notable" from WP's point-of-view. Note: this company (to my knowledge) is very much notable in licensing marketplace. Anyway, if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to send me email. Regards Karra.sun (talk) 18:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was speedily deleted - literally 2 google hits for this, both connected to this article. Just a schoolkid's waste of time. ~ Riana ⁂ 19:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It was that close to my life

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Completely non-notable neologism. Contested prod. I wish I could make this fit a speedy category, but it's a stretch to do so. Fabrictramp (talk) 19:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete per WP:NEO, WP:NFT, WP:OR and probably a gaggle of others. Article proclaims "The phrase: "my life" was coined by the one and only Amanda Williams. There is a new lexicon of vocabulary that she has for the English Language!" This cannot be proved or cited and is original research or perhaps written by said person or her friends. Maybe salt it as well. Doc Strange (talk) 19:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was keep. --Esprit15d • talk • contribs 21:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Sanger

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Unsourced (by actual reliable sources) bio of a minor travel- guide writer, credited with the writing texts of house travel guides, not creating his own. His last actual book by his own hand was published by a vanity press. Calton | Talk 19:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The biography needs to be sourced, but he's a verifiable, published author who's written quite a few books for reputable organizations such as AA and Thomas Cook[23]. Pburka (talk) 19:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Keep,provide a source and expand --B.C ^{say what ?} 19:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Carlton comments that Andrew Sanger is 'credited with the writing texts of house travel guides, not creating his own.' This is incorrect - almost all of Sanger's titles (many can be bought on Amazon, etc - see search results at Amazon.com search) have been published by major publishers, such as several recent titles by AA Publishing and Thomas Cook Publishing (among the UK's largest guidebook publishers) and earlier titles by Penguin and other large publishers. Several have been co-published by US publishers (see especially Globe Pequot and Fodor's). At Barnes&Noble Barnes & Noble list 32 titles by Andrew Sanger. At abebooks.com, 30 titles are shown, including some of his older works. A brief internet search shows many of these titles in translated editions around the world. Carlton also states that Sanger's 'last actual book by his own hand was published by a vanity press' - this again is completely wrong: according to Barnes & Noble search above, Sanger's last books were published by Thomas Cook Publishing, AA Publishing and Dorling Kindersley. None of his titles appears to have used a vanity press, although he did bring out a novel in 2005 which was published online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by David-Freya (talk • contribs) 22:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• keep That they are at amazon of course is meaningless, but that his work is published in Michelin and other prestigious series is notability.DGG (talk)
• Keep per the comments made in this discussion. (jarbarf) (talk) 08:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was. Delete, with no prejudice or opinion about a possible new article titled Hand Rating System.

[edit] Edward Hutchison

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Per WP:NN. No media coverage found on Google, Google News, Yahoo! or MSN. Google hits are his own web site, this Wikipedia page (that was fast as the article was only created yesterday) and numerous forums, blogs and NN poker sites. All of the references in the article are his own web sites. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 18:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The biographical details have been kept at a minimum - and they are the ones which have been sourced to Hutchison's websites. (I would think the info about him being married and having children is accurate!..) The emphasis on the article is on his Hand Rating System, which is an important concept in poker games, e.g. Omaha, because it introduced a Bridge-like system into poker -- and for this there are certainly independent sources! I'll replace the sources of the system's author with independent sources. -The Gnome (talk) 19:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Well maybe there should be an article Hand Rating System created dealing with that as the subject and include this person in that article. He's certainly not notable for his own article. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 19:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

He seems to be fairly known amongst the poker community, especially Omaha players (see here). What do we do about a person who's famous for one thing and one thing only? Such persons are usually not denied a biographical entry/stub in Wikipedia. (Recall the Glasgow airport worker who beat up that terrorist - can you?) Perhaps the article should be renamed "Hutchison Hand Rating System" and include a biographical summary about its inventor. -The Gnome (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the article should be renamed "Hutchison Hand Rating System" and include a biographical summary about its inventor.

That's essentially what I said. The focus more on the system and what it entails than on the person that came up with it. Your call, but it has to be done before someone else "votes" here, otherwise the AfD will have to run its course. If you don't know how to move an article, let me know. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 20:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind allowing the AfD to run its course; I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, anyway. The comment by 2005 herebelow ("If inventing the point count system doesn't make him notable, then neither is the system itself") is very interesting. -The Gnome (talk) 09:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. The Omaha point count system is known to some degree; I have never seen anyone refer to it for other games. I would immediately AFD an article on the point count system as it doesn't stand on its own. It's an invention of a person. A similar system can be found at Bill Chen#The Chen Formula. I strongly believe we should be consistent with things like this, so if the point count system is talked about, it should be in an article about Hutchison. If inventing the point count system doesn't make him notable, then neither is the system itself. One further note, the point count system is not very good, but its fame or notability is irrelevant to whether it stinks or not. At this point my contribution would be to weakly Keep but strongly oppose renaming. 2005 (talk) 21:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

There's also Michael Capeletti's system for example. Hutchison's is supposed to be apply for both Omaha High and Omaha High/Low. Although its inventor, and other players, supports its use for other poker variants, I cannot recall this being the case to any significant degree at all. You wrote, "The point count system is not very good, but its fame or notability is irrelevant to whether it stinks or not". Totally agree. (I will now check out Wiki for a John Patrick entry, if you don't mind.) -The Gnome (talk) 09:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete - I don't feel that a case has been made for the notability of Hutchison or his system. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the create article idea. Create Hand Rating System, and bring in Hutchison's counting system, and other notable systems (being careful not to just create an unending list). Short biographical content on creators. Redirect Edward Hutchison to the new article. StephenBuxton (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was that the majority of approval to Keep article.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 15:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)}}

[edit] Scary Movie film series

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This article is redundant, all this information about the Scary Movies are found in the respective articles. The rest is practically trivia, and the plots are repetition of whats in the respective articles. TrUCo⁹31¹ 17:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 17:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The Plots section should be deleted, but the rest deals with the series overall, rather than the individual movies, so it couldn't be merged into them. Also rename Scary Movie series. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete It just has information that the other articles on these movies have. Not nessecary until further into production process. Can always create again later anyway. Mrx9898 (talk) 21:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Wikipedia is not paper. An overview article for a film series is always a good idea, especially if every film in the series has an article. 70.55.85.35 (talk) 22:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep but clean up. See an article like The Fast and the Furious (film series) (which I created only as a stub) as an example of bringing together information about the series as a whole. Spider-Man film series is a pretty extensive example of this, with commentary about the box office performance and critical reception. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per Erik. Maxamegalon2000 06:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment-well if it can be made to a page similarly to The fast and the furious and or the spiderman film series, then yes keep but if not then...TrUCo⁹31¹ 00:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep But needs a complete rewrite and sources. Information on production, actors, ideas etc.--The Dominator (talk) 05:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep But clean up- per Erik. Save-Me-Oprah^(talk) 13:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Redirect to Canaan --JForget 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient Canaan

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I made it clear to the author of this article that it must either be redirected to Canaan or deleted altogether, since there is no modern Canaan that is commonly referred to as "Canaan". Additionally, the article as it exists now is pointless, and the author has a history of using talk pages as forums about the topics. Since redirecting only results in reverting, Delete. Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 17:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

By whit what historical rights your making these judgments that there were no Ancient Canaan?

Did you knew that long before the hebrew occupation there were high culture and civilization that was long ahead Europeans.

Im myself a European and I dont no problems with the fact that a lot of the Ancient Creece influence comes from Ancient Canaan, from the ancient Arabs high culture.

There is no way Im going to let these historical facts not to be featured in the Encyclopedia of Wikipedia.ASEOR2 (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

And that is exactly what the article Canaan covers. Your article covers none of that. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 17:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The article is a work in progress.ASEOR2 (talk) 17:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete or Redirect per nom. Seems to be a simple fork. --Veritas (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

You people seem to be hidin the presence of Ancient Canaan, because it's doesn't fit in your agenda

How can you deny the high culture of arabs in Ancient Canaan? Circa 5000BC-1000BC?

why you the editors of Wikipedia the Encyclopedia want to depress? You must know that the historical events and people in Canaan does begin far before the times of Hyksos/Hebrew occupation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ASEOR2 (talk • contribs)

• Delete per nom. Any useful content in Ancient Canaan (likely to be very little) can be brought up on the talk page at Canaan as a possible addition. The article is redundant, as the article's creator has not given any clear distinction between the subjects of the two articles, only indicating that the Ancient Canaan article is a "work in progress." Silly rabbit (talk) 17:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect to Canaan as simple as that. Dekisugi (talk) 17:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Canaan and full-protect the redirect. Deor (talk) 18:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect to Canaan. A lot of people are likely to search Wikipedia using "Ancient Canaan", so a redirect seems appropriate. But certainly, there's no call for an "Ancient Canaan" article that's different from the Canaan one. -LisaLiel (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• At this point I accept everyones views and will work on for better article for Ancient Canaan page. Or I might as well adopt the Canaan page to work with everyone else. Either way as we agree it. ASEOR2 (talk) 20:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Canaan. Bible sources are not reliable sources (except to source claims such as "In the Bible, ..."), the sources provided do not provide any proofs for the editor's claims, and the editor is edit warring to keep reverting it away from a redirect. There is no reason to have two different articles on the same subject. Corvus cornix_talk 20:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Israel vs ancient canaan? Hello? There is no Ancient Israel if there is no Ancient Canaan.ASEOR2 (talk) 21:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The article on Israel refers to the present-day country. There is no present-day Canaan. Corvus cornix_talk 22:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

That is not an argument. The Ancient Israel page should link to Canaan. There is nothing ancient in Israel, compared to Ancient Canaan, Ancient Creek and Ancient Egypt or Ancient Mesopotamia, or or ... continue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ASEOR2 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. I will fully and unconditionally support a protected redirect. One that ASEOR2 or one of his sockpuppets cannot revert. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 01:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Deleted per CSD G12. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 16:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SlBlogs

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This is an advert for a blog host site open only for a few weeks, created by its owner. It is non-notable, commercial and unencyclopaedic. Karenjc (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per above. 99.230.152.143 (talk) 16:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete G12 The text was lifted directly from http://www.slblogs.org . So tagged. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 21:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pyong

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Okay, I admit I sort of started this... The page's creator was mad that the page had gotten deleted, and told me that he or she was about to add sources to the page when it was nuked. I assumed good faith, and suggested that he or she re-create the page. However, the sources in this revision are all DeviantART and blogs, and therefore this page's subject fails WP:RS. Suggesting a salt this time. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Insufficiently sourced. Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. hateless 19:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - WP:NFT. Æetlr Creejl 20:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, it's been speedied, it's gone to AfD, the AfD was closed prematurely due to the speedying (I started the original AfD). The creator has yet to provide any information that this emoticon is notable. Corvus cornix_talk 20:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete and replace with a disambiguation page to Kim Pyong-il, Pyongyang, Won Pyong Oh, etc. Pburka (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Keep Just because you may have not heard of Pyong yourself, does not mean that it is not notable or not worth mentioning. Many people search after this information, and when people like you guys take it down, how are people supposed to find such things? The point of Wikipedia is to inform people, and give information. That is exactly what I am trying to do, I just want to inform people about the subject, and everyone else is acting like I am posting a page of random keystrokes.

If something from another culture it does not make it wrong. And if it is not familiar around you does not make it any less. Pyong is also from Portugal, but I think Americans should have to right to know about it too.

This is the only page I have ever added to wikipedia because I felt it was something very notable that Wikipedia lacked.

Just because something has originated on the internet and not from a book does not mean it is not valid.

I cannot understand why you are so against the addition of Pyong, I just want people to be informed. I am trying to help, while everyone else is trying to disable others access to information. If you cannot understand a language it does not make it a non-valid source. That borders on racism if you are going to devalue something based on it's culture.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomoya-kun (talk • contribs) 21:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm tired of trying to argue this, everyone seems to be power hungry and trying to exert authority over something for no reason. If you think the content of the page is not full yet, that is the point of Wikipedia, people who know more will come along and add their intelligence as well. But they cannot do this if no page exists. Do what you want with the page, but think who are you actually helping? All you are doing is depriving people of information, and maybe feeding your ego, but nothing more. Good bye. Tomoya-kun (talk) 22:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Well actually, others can. They can simply start a page themselves, perhaps with legitimate, verifiable sources as opposed to what you've given us. Please spare us the cries of racism and other garbage. If you insist on behaving in this manner, you don't belong here. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Keep Actually here in Italy many people use this emoticon on msn and not only, I have seen on my university people having stickers of that red fox and pins... That drawing seems to be well known in the japanmania subculture inItaly. Thus, being that fox so popular and recognisable, I believe the page shoud be kept but majorly revamped and cleaned-upZisimos (talk) 00:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete and salt as non-notable and without reliable sources, and good riddance to Tomoya-kun — who, by the way, is an WP:SPA. Boy, that's a surprise. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• What is wrong with trying to inform people? You act like I killed someone. Wikipedia already has everything I have searched before this, which is why I added it, because it seemed to me something it needed. I added under construction because it is not finished yet, and it says you are to allow a few days before requesting for deletion. I have been given barley anytimeTomoya-kun (talk) 22:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• You seem to be missing the part about notability. Just saying something's notable doesn't make it so. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete and a recommendation to Tomoya-kun to keep your ego under control and if you say you are going to leave, please leave. JuJube (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • JuJube, be civil and don't bite the newbies.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 21:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I went and did research on the type of articles that Wikipedia will allow, is it possible to keep this article as a stub? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub Because according to everyone it is short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information. Tomoya-kun (talk) 23:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

There are two policies that are at the issue here: WP:N and WP:RS. The first one states that articles in the encyclopedia must show notability by being covered in reliable sources. The second policy states what these reliable sources are. None of the links on the page can be considered a reliable source. The bottom line is you haven't proved that Pyong is notable, or important enough, to be included into Wikipedia, and everything we've seen points to Pyong not being close to being notable. hateless 23:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess you guys are right. Just delete it then. But is there then another site I can post this information for people to find? Tomoya-kun (talk) 00:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• No need to be sarcastic, we're just trying to keep a high standard here in wikipedia. The article need some major cleaning up for syntax and spelling but could be kept according to my opinion Zisimos (talk) 01:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Please explain what reliable sources have been provided that would cause this article to be kept. Corvus cornix_talk 02:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Everything2.com is what you're looking for. They're similar to Wikipedia except they accept anything. hateless 10:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Southkoreanfuncraft --Cloudir sky (talk) 12:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 17:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DJ Koopa

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Apart from unreferenced claims about his role in the rise of internet radio and how well received his remixes are, this seems like a WP:VANITY article. JASpencer (talk) 16:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. No real claim to notability. No references.--Michig (talk) 16:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Doesent seem to be notable --B.C ^{say what ?} 17:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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The result was Delete Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Konee Rok

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Unreferenced-by-reliable-sources, promotional article -- created by its subject, natch -- of "music video & film maker". Essentially a listing of unlinked/external-linked credits -- unlinked for good reason. Speedy-tagged, but speedy tag removed --well, I'm not sure why. Calton | Talk 15:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• The initial posting of this article needed several changes to demonstrate validty and to follow wiki guidelines. Many of the links and notability points have been added and adjusted to better confirm the information and credits. Further searches and more contributers will help to improve this article. Cityvscity (talk) 21:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Userfy for now, let Cityvscity work on it. Actually, it would be better if Cityvscity worked on a few unrelated articles to get the hang of citations before trying to get the article back to mainspace. Speciate (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Looks like this article had been improved upon substantially since it's inception.Larryandjai (talk) 16:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Weak delete - reluctant, but still such a bad article, full of inline external links and unsourced assertions, that I feel it fails verifiability and reliable sources. It is not our responsibility to provide proper sourcing for this piece of self-aggrandisement. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete per WP:SNOW. Nick Dowling (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why the english civil war broke out

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PROD was contested on the grounds that sources were added, but the lack of sources had nothing to do with the PROD nomination. This is a personal essay, and most of its content duplicates English Civil War. Delete. Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 15:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Look Mum, my school assignment is on Wikipedia. Seems that there is already an article about the English Civil War. You might want to contribute to the existing article. Mandsford (talk) 15:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Unsourced, O.R. essay. No doubt, anything useful here is already included in the main article on this war, but on the off chance that anything new can be verified, it can certainly be added in. ◄Zahakiel► 16:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as an OR essay. It's mostly redundant to the English Civil War article, but I'd go along with Zahakiel's suggestion as well. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete - This isnt a questions and answers website , the reason why this broke out should be included in the english civil war article --B.C ^{say what ?} 17:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per OR BusterD (talk) 19:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:OR and is redundant anyway. Wikipedia isn't a place to post your school work, No ifs, ands or buts about it either. Doc Strange (talk) 19:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per the fact that Wikipedia isn't a place to post schoolwork; this is redundant to existing articles anyway. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was redirect. Consensus is clear, and the ArbCom injunction doesn't apply here because this is neither about a character nor about an episode. Mangojuice^talk 18:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oceanic Six

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OR resulting from about five or so minutes of screen time. See words like "presumably", "suspected, "it is likely", "this may be unlikely"). The only actual confirmed member of the Six is Hurley, in actual fact. Anything else is pure OR. Will ^(talk) 11:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Merge/Redirect to Characters of Lost. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 13:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Agree, redirect to Characters of Lost appears reasonable. User:Dorftrottel 15:02, February 2, 2008
• Question - does it violate WP:CRYSTAL to redirect to the season four finale? --T-rex 15:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
  • It would, imo. But since it's a fictional group of characters, it would also be less accurate than redirecting to Characters of Lost. My 2 cents anyway. User:Dorftrottel 16:33, February 2, 2008
• Delete. It's mostly speculation. --Kmsiever (talk) 16:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Characters of Lost per WP:CRYSTAL, even though (by definition unreliable) spoilers may indicate otherwise. Even then, this topic seems like it can never be more than a repetition of plot. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Characters of Lost. The majority of this article is speculation. It cites no sources, and seems to be a mix of OR and specualtion. This early in the season, it is not possible to have an article over this subject matter that is in encylopedia fashionTabor (talk) 18:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Article is speculative in nature. Speculative material should not be merged. —XSG 20:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
  • It isn't encyclopedic. But it is a plausible search term, so why not keep it as a redirect? User:Dorftrottel 23:22, February 2, 2008
• Redirect to Characters of Lost. maybe people will search for itCats AND hats (talk) 07:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Characters of Lost. Donaldd23 (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Although consensus seems quite clear, the language of a recent ARBCOM injunction seems to imply that this AFD can not be actioned until further notice. So I am relisting it as a means to put it on hold. The injunction I am talking about is here. JERRY ^talk _contribs 15:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY ^talk _contribs 15:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete/redirect to Lost (season 4) – I do not think that this conflicts with the RfAr, which is about articles on specific episodes or characters. This article is about a group of characters over the course of several episodes. It's more of a storyline. Will says that only Hurley has been confirmed; Jack and Kate have also been confirmed, the former through the television series and the latter through Damon Lindelof. Redirecting the article to the fourth season finale article (which does not exist) is not a good idea. First of all, if you have been reading spoilers, the members are revealed before that. Secondly, it is unknown when the fourth season will end. The strike is ending today, which means that either episode 12 or 14 will be the finale, when 16 was the original plan. However, my biggest problem with the article is that, as of now, it is not notable enough. It can easily be chronicled in the fourth season episodic articles. One more note: please list any Lost-related deletion debates at the Lost WikiProject page. –thedemonhog talk • edits 17:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Characters of Lost. -- Wikipedical (talk) 23:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect as per thedemonhog - Tphi (talk) 00:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as it is a notable element of a major show. Article should be better reference, though, and I have begun to do so. I see on dogpile.com that the phrase does appear quite regularly. E! News and TV Guide should be decent in the way of reliable coverage. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. This is more proof Le Grand still doesn't understand the policies of Wikipedia. This isn't the place to list every aspect of a show in multiple stub articles. Do you realize, if that was the case... there would be about 1000000 small articles on every television show? Use a television wiki for every aspect as single articles, not Wikipedia. Something mentioned in a few minutes of Lost, doesn't automatically make it notable. Maybe after the season is over, it will be notable as a stand-alone article..but not now. RobJ1981 (talk) 18:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

What policies are you referring to? WP:N definitely isn't a policy. --Pixelface (talk) 17:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect Given how little we know about this from the show, there's nothing to indicate that this will be important enough for a whole article. Reasonable to mention it in Characters of Lost and certainly appropriate for lostpedia. If it ends up being a major element of the show with something interesting to say, it could one day be restored. — brighterorange (talk) 04:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Will, Wikipedical, Tphi and I are participants of the Lost WikiProject and we have all voted for some form of deletion. –thedemonhog talk • edits 04:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

  Throw caution to the wind and redirect? I don't think the AC injunction was meant for articles like these (speculative), there's a massive near-unanimous consensus to redirect, and the AC case is about lack of consensus building. I think this'd slip under the radar and be generally accepted even with the injunction in place. Will ^(talk) 04:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

  The article is about television characters. Of course the injunction applies. --Pixelface (talk) 17:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

  Read why I don't think so above. –thedemonhog talk • edits 17:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Agree-Redirect to Characters of Lost (for now). I think this group may be notable enough to have it's own article by the end of this season or the beginning of the next, but let's wait and see. I do think it can wait until after the lifting of the injunction. Ursasapien (talk) 07:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I think Characters of Lost is getting too big as it is, anyways, and plus, if someone learns something new about this group, then it can be added rather than having another debate of whether or not the information is sufficient enough to break off to a new article. Gary King (talk) 07:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

  There's nothing really to learn - the episode that just aired has completed the set (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Jin, the last two are in Ji Yeon), and knowing JJ, Damon, and Cuse, I doubt we'll know for a long time. Will ^(talk) 07:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy delete A7, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Susan Cortez

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No evidence of notability, already speedily deleted twice per A7, an IP has removed the prod Cenarium (talk) 14:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete A7. So tagged. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 15:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was speedily deleted by yours truly, WP:CSD#G10. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wendied

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Contested PROD. Neologism derived from the name of a Scottish politician. No asserted notability.

• Delete. Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 14:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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SAVE WENDIED. It is a commonly used term in the Scottish Media to describe being cynicaly manipulated by others using a script to extole the alleged good virtues of the benificiary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juankerr1 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable neologism, probably put up to prove a political point. Lurker (said · done) 14:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - however amusing it may be. --MacRusgail (talk) 14:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Amusing but non-notable per above comments. Ben MacDui^Talk/Walk 14:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Delete --JForget 02:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joule Standard

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It is believed that this article constitutes original research. John254 14:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete. Wishful thinking OR, and the references are trivial. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 15:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Hang on. This article may need improvement, but does cover a notable effort in public education about energy, energy policy, and fundamental principles of physics. A quick google search was not enough for me to determine the spread of the "Joule Standard" as a movement. It seems that at present the idea has not gained the level that, say, the metric system did in the U.S. during the 1970's. But the subject of the article is not a hoax and is verifiable. Notability remains in question, and more effort should be put into research and improvement of articles than deletion. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 16:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete It is an advocacy essay and the sources are bad - two of them do not mention the topic and the other is in a foreign language which is no use to the English speakers for whom this encyclopaedia is intended. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete (although I agree with the premise of the article): advocacy and OR. The author also has two other OR articles in AfD.--Curtis Clark (talk) 19:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Has anyone noticed that the editor who created the article has the same name as the author of the paper "The Joule Standard" Energy Efficiency and Solar Awareness Campaign http://bioenergy-conference.bfuel.biz/BALLROOM2_WRERCE_schedule.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.125.109.48 (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Although the mishmash of energy units can't help but confuse the public, the present article isn't good enough to even serve as a starting point for a proper article on the subject. --Gerry Ashton (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete unless the notability of this initiative is proved. --Itub (talk) 11:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete for reasons stated. All of this user's essays are currently on AfD. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 18:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mwape

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Hoax. I prodded this a while ago, and someone else added a prod2. Both were removed by an IP editor with the summary "factual improvement". One google hit - a WP mirror. The article (and photos) appear to suggest that a Zambian child was given some kind of scholarship, left the country, then spontaneously turned into an elderly Rastafarian man, as well as into 2 completely different other people. Kateshortforbob 13:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete Hoax or not, this is certainly not notable. Probably even qualifies for speedy deletion --FeldBum (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Seems like a hoax to me , plus it is quite useless anyway --B.C ^{say what ?} 18:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Hoax. Pburka (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above. Carl.bunderson (talk) 07:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. This a deletion per WP:BLP, specifically WP:BLPUNDEL. Deletion was made by MZMcBride (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights). I'm housekeeping. :-) Maxim_(talk) 01:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Please also see this message. Daniel (talk) 01:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Corey Worthington

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Article was previously deleted after AfD at Corey Delaney (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), and subsequently a new article was created and speedily deleted under the present name. The speedy deletion was overturned at deletion review, and the article is resubmitted here for discussion whether the new sources sufficiently establish that the article is viable as a biography. Procedural nomination, I abstain (Procedural note: as a referral from WP:DRV, this nomination is outside the remit of WP:CSD). ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 13:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Obviously notable. Some recent sources. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, as the references provided in Corey_Worthington#References indicate sufficient coverage of this person in third-party reliable sources to establish a presumption of his notability per the general notability guideline. John254 14:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete for all the same reasons, mainly WP:BLP1E, WP:NOT#NEWS and for what it's worth, IMO the DRV should never have been closed as overturn in the first place. Black Kite 16:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, even a cursory review of Corey_Worthington#After_the_party and Corey_Worthington#References would indicate that Corey Worthington is notable for events occurring well after the initial incident. John254 16:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep for reasons I already stated at AfD:Corey Worthington and the deletion review. --Orlady (talk) 17:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment - From the most recent Google news hits, I conclude that the name "Corey Worthington" has entered the media vocabulary as a metaphor, at least in Australia. This column in the Sydney Morning Herald of 11 Feb. discusses the self-centeredness of the decade and concludes "Oh hell, let's call it the decade of Corey." This ABC News story about a political topic has a subheading "Federal Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner has compared the Coalition's attitude to inflation to the Victorian teenager Corey Worthington's views on parties." And although this trend-related article in the Sydney Morning Herald is not about Corey, it manages to start out with the words "It's come a tad too late for Corey Worthington but." People who encounter his name in news stories like these and don't know who he is should expect to be able to look him up in Wikipedia. --Orlady (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Article has been created numerous times. This shouldn't even be being discussed in this AfD as the DRV was clearly overturn with no consensus to go straight back to AfD. The system is definitely being gamed here. He's notable according to media all over the world plus the 245 hits on Google News as Corey Delaney and 171 for Corey Worthington. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 17:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment The system is definitely being gamed - by those who want the article to exist. The article should never have been recreated after the first DRV (especially under a different name to end-run around the salting), and the second DRV should not have been closed as overturn (it wasn't "clear" at all - it was no consensus). It doesn't surprise me that this is happening, though. Black Kite 10:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete This is a complete waste of everyone's time as the same arguments apply as the earlier AfD, DRV and AN/I discussions all of three weeks ago. The same BLP concerns still apply and regardless of the media coverage, he is still only known for the one event; nothing else he has done would even be discussed if not for the tabloid coverage. His fleeting fame is quickly fading here in Australia. As for the DRV being clearly overturn, I struggle to see that as I thought the consensus there was to endorse the deletion but here we are. The only ones gaming the system are those continually dragging this back for discussion ad nauseum despite the earlier clear consensus. Once again it is time that Wikipedia decided if it is an encyclopaedia or merely a recorder of mildly amusing but ultimately trivial events. If this is kept, I look forward to articles on every dodgy used car salesman, nude wedding, school bully and fad diet that makes tabloid TV shows such as A Current Affair. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 18:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • The level of coverage is about two orders of magnitude greater than the level of the material you compare this to. We aren't talking about 2 or 3 tabloid sources but rather over 200 sources, many of which are major newspapers and other reliable sources. A large fraction, possibly even a majority aren't even Australian. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Mattinbgn sums it up, "Once again it is time that Wikipedia decided if it is an encyclopaedia or merely a recorder of mildly amusing but ultimately trivial events." This does not even come close on my notability radar. Sure, tons of secondary sources but that alone does not make someone notable. David D. (Talk) 18:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Please see false dichotomy. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for the patronising advice. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 19:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• In that case you had better get busy documenting all the other fluff n' stuff "news" item articles. David D. (Talk) 00:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Meets any notability standard. Notability is not importance. --Dhartung | Talk 20:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep for time being and review in 6 months or a year's time. As far as BLP concerns, Worthington himself is not avoiding the media it would seem. As per User:Orlady the references are quite frequent in the media these days and I concur with user:Dhartung that notability is not importance.--Matilda ^talk 20:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Current "iconic status" in current pop culture. I agree that it should be kept and reviewed in 6 months to a year. Zad27 (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Perfectly verifiable and now notable for more than one event.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 21:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep satisfies Notability and ONEEVENT Fosnez (talk) 21:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Multiple reliable sources establish notability —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.210.172 (talk) 22:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, and I'm not sure why we're doing this when we just did a DRV. - Philippe | Talk 22:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:GAME of course. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 22:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Nor am I, given that there was no consensus to overturn at the DRV. Black Kite 22:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:ONEEVENT. This guy is still only known for doing one thing. He's trying, with some success, to extend his 15 minutes of fame by cashing in on this, but he hasn't really done anything newsworthy since. --Nick Dowling (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• keep WP:BLP1E/WP:NOTNEWS no longer apply given that his notability has extended beyond the immediate party itself and has extended to subsequent events (such as his being hired to run parties and the fight he got into with a gang). Personally, I despise the fact that the media has continued to pay attention to this (indeed, that it got almost any news coverage at all), but past that issue this does meet all the relevant inclusion criteria. JoshuaZ (talk) 23:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

  We're supposed to include articles now on people who get in fights with gangs????????? Boy, won't Compton be excited! --Hammersoft (talk) 03:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  • No. That's obviously not enough. The point is that he has multiple events connected to him so NOTNEWS/BLP1E doesn't apply. Furthermore, we aren't talking about a random gangfight. Again, even that got international coverage. JoshuaZ (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, still not notable for doing anything except throwing a party and a bit of related press. His agent is milking it, and he might end up being notable for other events, but his "DJ" career is one event in Prahran with 40 people turning up.[24] Big Brother housemates also do events like this to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame - very few are ever considered notable six months afterwards, despite their name coming up again every once in a while. Most big brother contestant do not have a biography - Corey has not done enough to justify a biography. If his worldwide DJ tour actually attracts a reasonable attendance, then he will be notable as a DJ. Until then, he is just a kid who has broken a few laws and is not repentant. John Vandenberg (talk) 00:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:ONEEVENT. Patently non-notable. Xdenizen (talk) 01:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: Obviously notable for one event. Ok, fine, he got a job. That does not instantly make him notable. If he becomes notable in doing that job, then there MIGHT be a case for including an article on him. But, simply having a job hosting parties doesn't make him notable. I am also deeply perturbed by the precedent being set here. The article was created, deleted by AfD, recreated by an admin acting entirely out of line, AfD'd when it should not have been AfD'd, DRV'd when it had already been DRV'd mere weeks before with consensus to keep it deleted and now we're back here at AfD all over again? There's obvious grounds here for a speedy delete. Revisit in six months maybe, and see if he's notable for the new job he has. Right now, he's nothing more than a stupid punk who got embroiled in a party run amok. Nothing of interest. Move on. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Yes, I agree. The first AfD was so conclusive it was speedy closed on WP:BLP grounds. Incidently, that AfD debate was covered in the Australian national media, and it is possible that subsequent debates may also be covered. --Nick Dowling (talk) 03:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment AFAICT, no one here is claiming that he is notable for who he is or for what he has accomplished. IMO, he is notable for the attention that he has received, including extensive coverage by mainstream news media. --Orlady (talk) 03:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. If our notability guidelines lead to this article being kept, it merely shows that there is something wrong with those guidelines. By no criteria is this guy encyclopedic. So WP:IAR and delete. --Bduke (talk) 03:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately that's not a good attitude because if we start using it then we all start deleting things that we personally don't consider notable or don't think should be important. For example, I'll go through and delete anything remotely connected to soar operas and reality tv. Maybe after that I'll work my way through American football players. And then we'll move onto football players. This isn't as much of a joke as it sounds, a while back I encountered someone who thought that 19th century members of the United States congress were not in general notable. This is why we need to let the presence or absence of reliable sources decide for us, rather than our own personal opinions about who should be important. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• comment Even in the last few hours more articles mentioning him have popped up. See [25] [26] [27] [28]. Now of those 4 new ones only the third is minimally substantial and they are all the sort of journalism that I personally despise but when you have people writing opinion pieces about you (which the third piece is), you are generally likely to be notable. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • To expand on my point above, this is someone who has clearly entered the popular culture and in a highly verifiable way. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

    yay, more news. News writers and editors do not decide for us what is notable. The way this kid is going, if he does half of the things his agent has lined up for him, he will be notable. But we do not need to buy the hype and document his every move until then.

    DYK: Corey is currently staying at a friend's house. (not a joke; the Wikipedia biography on this kid tells us so, and even has a source to boot.) John Vandenberg (talk) 05:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Delete per WP:BLP1E. Multiple sources has never been the issue, the issue has been that the subject of the article is a stupid kid who made the news once, only to fade away once his fifteen minutes were up. A couple of trivial local mentions of his desperate attempts to prolong those fifteen minutes don't change the fact that he's only notable for one relatively minor event. Lankiveil ^{(complaints | disco)} 04:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC).

• Comment, and why was the deletion overturned? There does not appear to have been a clear consensus at the DRV page to do so. By my count, the !votes stood at 21 to overturn vs 19 endorsing, which can hardly be interpreted as a consensus. Lankiveil ^{(complaints | disco)} 04:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC).

• It's worth noting that the original article (Corey Delaney) was salted. The subsequent articles appear to have used his alternate last name (I don't know which one is more correct, but 'Delaney' is more commonly used in the media) to get around this restriction. --Nick Dowling (talk) 05:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The question of WP:BIO1E no longer applies since his fame (such as it is) has outlasted the specific event in question, and, moreover, he has parlayed it into a minor entertainment career by his own choice. The article meets our core content policies, especially WP:V, as it has numerous reliable sources. Deletion hasn't even been requested by the subject, as far as I can tell. I see no valid reason to remove this article and I think it meets all the requirements of Wikipedia policy. *** Crotalus *** 04:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  Played it into a minor entertainment career indeed. Are we to include biographies on every minor entertainer out there????? --Hammersoft (talk) 05:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  • If the articles meet the three core content policies (WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV), then, yes, why not? Wikipedia is not paper and we don't have any space limitations. In most cases of "non-notable" vanity articles, the problem is that there are no reliable sources and the articles thus fail WP:V. That is manifestly not the case here. *** Crotalus *** 05:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  • When that entertainer already made national news and that minor entertainer then continued to make news focusing on his entertainement aspects I would think that the answer would likely be yes. JoshuaZ (talk) 05:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

    Which still roots on WP:BLP1E. I.e., not notable. --Hammersoft (talk) 05:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

    • That's an absurd application of this guideline. By that criterion, we shouldn't have an article on Buzz Aldrin, who is only known for one event and all the other prominence in his life has stemmed from that event. The purpose of BIO1E is to prevent isolated news stories from being made into permanent Wikipedia articles (and possibly causing serious embarrassment or difficulty for subjects), and that's not the case here; there is substantial and ongoing media coverage, and the subject has sought out the spotlight. *** Crotalus *** 05:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

      • Actually, Aldrin would almost certainly be notable even if he hadn't gone on the moon. His years as one of the first US Astronauts made him highly notable. See my example of Hinckley below which does the job a bit better. (a counterfactual version of Aldrin however does raise the same issue). JoshuaZ (talk) 05:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

      How does that "root" on BLP1E? It means he is notable for more than a single one-time event. Hence, BLP1E doesn't apply. Furthermore, note that BLP1E has limits beyond which after a certain amount of news coverage we have an article anyways. I don't think for example anyone is going to claim that John Hinckley shouldn't have an article (no, I'm not saying that Worthington/Delanery is as notable as Hinckley, merely pointing out that there is some limit beyond which we don't really apply BLP1E). JoshuaZ (talk) 05:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Delete. Not notable. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Is that based on the Wikipedia definition of notability? Becuase I have trouble seeing him not meeting that criterion. The issue here isn't notability. He meets that. JoshuaZ (talk) 04:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • See WP:JNN for why Buckshot06's !vote is not a valid discussion point and should be ignored by the debate closer. *** Crotalus *** 05:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment Why are you assuming that Buckshot is acting in bad faith or ignorance of Wikipedia's notability policies? He is a highly experianced editor who has taken the lead with getting several articles to FA standard, so it is safe to assume that when he says "not notable" he's refering to WP:N and/or WP:BLP. Moreover, he'd just been asked to clarify his vote when you jumped in demanding that it be ignored. --Nick Dowling (talk) 06:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Crotalus and others, I do believe that this person meets notability standards having taken everything said thus far into consideration. (jarbarf) (talk) 08:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I didn't take part but I would have definitely voted delete 3 weeks ago. But it appears the media have fallen for his game and he has successfully extended his 15 minutes into something much more. While it may be stupid that the media made some idiot famous for no reason, it seems to me he's reaching the status we have to keep Nil Einne (talk) 08:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Overnight celebrity, quickly forgettable as his star fades. No indication of long-term notability appropriate for an encyclopedic article. WWGB (talk) 10:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete WP:BLP#1E the article still says he notable for holding a party, there is no difference in his notability from what was already raised in the Original AFD, the DRV of that, the MFD of the AfD and the more recent DRV whiched started after a prod under CSD#G4. Gnangarra 10:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete WP:ONEEVENT certainly seems to cover it. He's notable only because of a single event. While there has been continued coverage it all stems from that event and if it had never occurred we wouldn't be having this discussion because he's done nothing else that is at all independently notable. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per previous deletion nomination. 15 minutes are up. -- Chuq (talk) 11:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:N, WP:BLP1E (he is not notable and in the cold light of day will have been forgotten in 6 months, we really shouldn't be reporting on named minors for posterity in circumstances such as these, and the only reason much of this media coverage exists is self-promotion for the tabloids concerned, let's not forget it was a quiet news period with everyone still recovering from the election and it being mid-non-ratings period on TV, and it certainly wouldn't hold up to peer-reviewed or any other reference standard.) Also agree with many other points made by Delete voters. Orderinchaos 16:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Corey is a hero to fun-loving teens everywhere. Just kidding. Keep per Orlady and JoshuaZ's arguments. Mike R (talk) 16:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Per Orderinchaos. Twenty Years 17:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: I find it telling that the #1 entry for Corey Delaney or Corey Worthington on news.google.com is whether or not Wikipedia will keep this article. Pretty telling. Also note; he's not notable for hosting anything yet. So he got a job hosting parties, so he intends on going on a world DJ tour. So what? He's done NOTHING yet, except act stupid in front of a camera and get his ass handed to himself on a platter by some other punks. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Follow-up comment: That's interesting, the #1 entry for ""Corey Worthington" on Google News for me returns an article in the Melbourne Herald Sun titled Win Corey Worthington's sunglasses [29] followed by Meet Corey Worthington, Australia's Paris Hilton [30] in News Limited followed by Why the letter 'i' will define this decade [31] in the The Sydney Morning Herald followed by another 160 unique news articles. RFerreira (talk) 19:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia's involvement in notable events is not new. It is unfortunate. If anything, the fact that this is getting coverage is more evidence that it is notable; even such a minor thing as whether or not he gets a Wikipedia article are being covered. (Incidentally, the source discussing this is [32]). And again, we don't decide what is worth having reliable sources about it; the reliable source makers do that. If we start acting that we'd have never ending deletion wars over every topic that people personally dislike. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLP1E. He's done absolutely nothing other than throw a party which got out of hand, and then get plastered on the Interwebs. FCYTravis (talk) 18:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per JoshuaZ, this person has received, and continues to receive, a ridiculous amount of news coverage, far exceeding our notability guidelines. RFerreira (talk) 19:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Don't delete now. As it appears now, this article may actually be heading somewhere. The singular event is no longer so singular, and real, expansive notability seems to be developing. It may not last, and the article could certainly be validly considered for deletion in the future, but at least for now there seems to be enough. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 19:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't approach here, and this is, from my analysis of the situation, turning into a re-hashing of the notorious Daniel Brandt, The Game (game) and Clock Crew debates. --Solumeiras (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually, there are far more sources than those did (even than Brandt), and we don't have a subject here who wants deletion. (If you recall for The Game we had a single short piece from a Belgium newspaper and that was it). JoshuaZ (talk) 19:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

My comment was a reference to Wikipedia process, rather than the subject of the article itself. The aforementioned articles had the {{not a ballot}} template added to their AfD debates. My actual opinion on the matter is Delete until new sources come to light, and that are not related to the incident itself. --Solumeiras (talk) 19:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Well, we do have that. We have new sources about his later work running parties and news sources about the gang altercation. JoshuaZ (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  And again, we include people in an encyclopedia because they've been in a gang fight? Won't Compton be happy! So WHAT if he was in a gang fight? That's hardly notable. Nor have any of his (so far non-existent) hostings been notable. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  • And again, if someone already were in the news for an earlier event and then got in international news after a gang fight then yeah, we would probably include them. The key is that the level of coverage of the fight pushes us over BLP1E since this is no longer a single news event. JoshuaZ (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  Ooo, recipe for getting a Wikipedia article! Get caught up in a party gone bad, talk as moronically as possible to the press, and get beaten up by a gang. Has this kid done ANYTHING encyclopedic? No. He's notable for nothing. He hasn't actually DONE anything. When he runs some party that actually merit verifiable secondary source attention then there's something to go on. Now, it's just news hysteria because of the party gone bad he was in. The only reason we're even talking about the gang smackdown is because of the party gone bad, which had virtually nothing to do with him in the first place!!!! --Hammersoft (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Right, that's an argument for why the media shouldn't be paying attention to this, not an argument that we shouldn't have an article once they've made that decision. Again, if we let notability mean personal interpretations of what is important than everyone will be deleting a heck of a lot of stuff. (I for example will call for deletion of almost every single soap opera related thing ever.) JoshuaZ (talk) 20:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  Sounds like a plan to me :) More seriously...just because the press covers something doesn't make it notable. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  Well yes and no. our notability guideline focuses essentially on coverage by reliable sources. The distinction here is between notability in the colloquial sense and notability for Wikipedia purposes. It might be more accurate to say that just because the press covers something doesn't make it important. And we do understand that for limited press coverage that we don't want articles. That's why we have WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLP1E. However, those don't apply in this case since the coverage has been extensive over a long period of time. And again, we don't even really mean those completely since we all agree that we would have articles on John Hinckley and similar people. So NOTNEWS doesn't apply, and even if NOTNEWS were relevant it would then be a subjective matter of how newsworthy this person was (if I thought NOTNEWS could apply in this case I'd be inclined to argue for deletion, but it is hard to see that at this point). JoshuaZ (talk) 20:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep My application of BLP generally, and BLP1E and NOTNEWS in specific, usually tracks closely with that of JoshuaZ, and so it does here. Joe 20:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Like I've said before, this is the definitive example of WP:BLP1E. Should he truly develop genuine notability someday in the future, there's no reaason the article can't be undeleted at that time. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep I recreated the page and started the undelete, I think he's notable more for the media coverage and reactions to it than the party itself, thus negating the one event thing. Either way, he's got tons of worldwide press coverage. --AW (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course he's notable because of the media coverage but the media coverage only came about because of the party. If there was no party he'd still be an unknown teenager. Every bit of publicity that he's received has been because of the party. Nothing else he's done is remotely notable and the party is only notable because it was a slow news day. Media coverage alone doesn't make one notable. If it did, Wikipedia would be full of articles about people nobody has heard of. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Not a good comparison at all. We've all heard of this person. He has gotten international news coverage which is still continuing a month after the event. JoshuaZ (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I question that. I only heard of the guy through wikipedia. Poll people on the street and how many actually have heard of this guy? And that's now. What about next year? David D. (Talk) 22:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment Well, maybe the aritcle should be about Corey the phenomenon (notable), not Corey the person (non notable) Bruiseviolet (talk) 23:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment the deletion was the subject of two news articles, the second one published today: [33][34] --AW (talk) 21:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• That's a bad sign right there. They've run out of stuff to report. David D. (Talk) 22:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• It is really nice being in a nation with no news :-) Wish there was even less of it! --Matilda ^talk 22:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Perfect example of WP:BLP1E. Dale Clapperton (talk) 23:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete as per Mattinbgn, Starblind & others. DancingMan (talk) 00:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete, as per WP:BLP1E. The fact this little upstart got his mug in the papers says more about tabloid news desperation than it does about him. Half the articles discussing him even dwell on this fact! As of right now, he has been involved in ONE event that briefly touched public conciousness, and it was not even of his own making. -- Lenky (talk) 00:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, as we already went over in the previous DRV; this shouldn't have been restored. krimpet✽ 01:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong delete - non notable punk. Just another clown on A Current Affair or Today Tonight - none of his mentions in the BBC etc were remotely serious either, they were all in teh nonsense lark sections. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. It doesn't matter who nominated the article for deletion as long as the community agree with the deletion, which it does. I do not see anything wrong with this nomination itself so it seems valid to me. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 8Asians

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non notable website Asod123123 (talk) 13:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 14:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Blog site that once triggered a relatively minor controversy because of one entry, otherwise not notable. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 15:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Un-notable website , we cant have an article about each website on the web --B.C ^{say what ?} 17:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Will the closing admin please also note that the nominator's contributions show him/her to be a single-purpose account user, using it solely to nominate stuff for deletion.--Vox Humana 8' 00:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable enough to deserve an article. Nlm1515 (talk) 05:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus to delete.--Kubigula (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IMedicor

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non notable website Asod123123 (talk) 13:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 14:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 14:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. I think that the associations that this site has partnered with demonstrate notability. --Eastmain (talk) 20:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Will the closing admin please also note that the nominator's contributions show him/her to be a single-purpose account user, using it solely to nominate stuff for deletion.--Vox Humana 8' 00:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete It only started in October 2007 and has partnered with recently created business promotion sites. Its only reference citation is to a new promotional blog with a "recent posts" section at the end. Isn't there an unaffiliated reference citation available for this company? All it is doing is jumping into the health care fray, trying to get a piece. There is no indication that it is superior to the many others that are doing the same thing. Mattisse 23:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. There are a few non-press release sources if you check google, e.g. [35] and [36]. It's a specialized service so it's unlikely to hit the general press in a big way. But the claims are credible that they quickly signed up 18,000 or so physicians, and being the first HIPAA-compliant patient medical record sharing portal sounds like a pretty big deal that could become a significant part of the practice of medicine. If the product never catches on we can revisit this in a few months; if it does the notability is a given.Wikidemo (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 09:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indienet

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non notable website Asod123123 (talk) 13:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:Notability; no refs other than advertising partners. Google Search reveals nothing that could be used to establish notability [37]. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 14:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 22:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lyricpedia

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non-notable website Asod123123 (talk) 13:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• and LyricPedia--Asod123123 (talk) 13:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete; fails WP:Notability and has no refs. Google search reveals nothing that could be used to establish notability [38].--Pgagnon999 (talk) 14:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Weak delete if it is the "one of the largest lyric database-oriented website" it might be notable, if there were any evidence. That it would probably contain copyright violations is a reason against a link, but not an article. DGG (talk) 22:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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The result was keep. John254 01:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Total Recut

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non notable website. google hits 1000-ov. Asod123123 (talk) 13:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Keep. I worked with User:Ragaman7, the original author of this article, to ensure that it was a reasonable article, and believe that it is. Regardless of the number of hits, it has recieved media attention, as the references show, as well as winning awards, as the references show. Therefore, it passes notability guidelines and verifiability guidelines. Ragaman7 also assures me [s]he has sources refuting the nominator's claims. J Milburn (talk) 19:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Sorry, misread what the nominator said. In any case, the Google test is unreliable at best, and I stand by the rest of my comment. J Milburn (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong keep - definitely notable and verifiable. Awards won, loads of coverage - what more do you want?--Vox Humana 8' 00:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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• Keep. I wrote this article about Total Recut with the assistance of J Milburn because I felt the information should be archived so that people in the future will be able to find out about the issues the website has raised in the media. The site itself has appeared in various media sources, all of which are cited in the article, and it has won a number of prestegious awards, also cited. Therefore, as, J Milburn mentioned, it passes notability guidelines and verifiability guidelines.--Ragaman7 (talk) 19:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AFL Dream Team

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Delete non notable game Asod123123 (talk) 13:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete an Australian version of "fantasy football", with no indication that it's any more notable than anything else from the world of fake sports. Mandsford (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete no significant coverage, so fails WP:N. "56th most popular.." says it all. Percy Snoodle (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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• Delete, the fact that the nominator appears to be a WP:SPA aside, it appears to fail WP:WEB. I distrust Hitwise as an indicator of notability for the same reason I distrust Alexa, the stats don't include everyone or a reasonable statistical sample, and thus are unreliable. Lankiveil ^{(complaints | disco)} 04:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC).
• Delete Fails WP:WEB. Twenty Years 14:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Fantasy Football, purely for Googlish purposes. I wouldn't object to deletion either. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 10:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 08:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Freddy vs. Jason 2

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Crystal balling, no reliable sources actually confirming a movie will actually be made. Even if there was, per WP:NFF, unless the development is significant, we don't start pages for films until they have at least entered production and there is coverage of the production. Any reliable sources rumoring a sequel should be listed on Freddy vs. Jason. Also, nothing new has changed since the last AfD, which was a unanimous "delete".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. This article is based on a rumor, and the author even hints to his inability to provide sources for the time being. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 13:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete unverificable, no reliable sources. --Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 13:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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• Speedy delete. No new information since last AfD; this looks like a candidate for criterion G4. Otherwise, strong delete and, per Bignole, discussion should go to the Freddy vs. Jason article unless/until a movie goes into production. —C.Fred (talk) 16:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per my prodding of this article. J Milburn (talk) 19:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• I'd suggest redirecting this to the first FvJ article to avoid the untimely recreation of the article by over-enthusiastic horror fans, if there were a single reliable source on it, that is. If none can be found at all, then delete by all means. Wikipedia isn't a rumourmill.  Paul  730 21:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - The notability guidelines for future films stipulate that a stand-alone article for a film should not be created until a project enters production. This is because many factors such as budget issues, scripting issues, and casting issues can interfere with the project, even if it has received a greenlight (which I understand this one hasn't). The article can be recreated without prejudice when and if principal photography is confirmed to have begun. Steve ^{T • C} 12:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL, as it would apply better than WP:NFF here in having no verifiable coverage ensuring an upcoming film. Verifiable mention of a sequel's development should go on the preceding film's article since it's never guaranteed to begin production upon announcement. Obviously, if this does begin filming, which I expect we'll find out with ease with a solid horror fan base, the article can be revived. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 12:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per C.Fred. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Currently on the verge of nonsense and consists of a few word sentence and a quote from a none-reliable source.--The Dominator (talk) 05:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 22:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Psych Desktop

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Delete WP:AUTO WP:N Asod123123 (talk) 13:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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Keep, infact this whole AfD looks like automatic spam. 89.243.170.120 (talk) 01:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Keep, the first suggestion is invalid. It meets to the second one. 78.144.102.140 (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, the current citations are enough. Jaymacdonald (talk) 18:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, I use this software. It was created with every amount of open source mentality there is, it doesn't need to be "wikified" to be good. Wikipedia is going too far with their 'standards'.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Denton22 (talk • contribs)
• Delete It was perviosly deleted as a non-notable advertisement article. I think we have the same thing going on again. Most of the references are from the web site itself. The others look to be trivial "roundup" articles or from gophp (their host?). -- Swerdnaneb 05:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
  • gophp5 isn't a webhost, it's a group of php-based projects that dropped php4 support in order to speed php5 adoption among webhosts. Also if you traceroute the two they use completely different servers: Psych Desktop's traceroute gophp5's traceroute
• Weak delete, But only under WP:N. The nominating editor states that it fails WP:AUTO, however this cannot be, as it's an article about a program, not a living person. So right out of the box one of the two reasons for the nomination is clearly shot down. With regard to notability though, it's previous deletion made me take a hard look, and I'm just not sure it passes the smell test for notability. It appears to be an advert - encyclopedic in tone but an advert nonetheless - for a seemingly new product with little note among third parties. DJBullfish 05:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, Technically the software is released, because it is available via subversion. According to the mentality that it's not released so it doesn't belong on Wikipedia, parakey shouldn't have an article (Psych Desktop was around way before parakey too). Psychcf (talk) 22:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Unless I missed it... I don't think anyone is claiming tht it doesn't belong because it's not released. The original nominator mentioned WP:AUTO (probably because the primary author of the article has a name very similar to the title of the article) and WP:N (because the subject doesn't seem to measure up to Wikipedia's notability standard). -- Swerdnaneb 17:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
    • It was mentioned in the previous AfD and was implied in the "weak delete" vote above (I could be wrong about that second thing).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychcf (talk • contribs)
    • Unless your thick, and haven't looked, the article claims enough notability. 78.144.102.140 (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
      • I am thick. But that's another discussion. I'm not worried about claims of notability. I'm worried about notability itself... with reliable sources. -- Swerdnaneb 21:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, my reason can be seen above. 78.144.102.140 (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I liked your other argument better. -- Swerdnaneb 21:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, a notability tag should be placed instead. 80.192.32.85 (talk) 12:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Srsly? -- Swerdnaneb 21:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was SPEEDY REDIRECT to List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 22:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gay people

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there is no need for this page / all links removed Silverxxx (talk) 12:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as this page is useless --FeldBum (talk) 13:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete pointless page Gwernol 13:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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• Redirect to List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people - seems the obvious choice to me--Cailil ^talk 15:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect per Cailil. matt91486 (talk) 16:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Redirect to list of obviously it needs to have links to both pages I got to thinking, and that is a better redirect Ctjf83^talk 18:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect - to List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people , otherwise delete --B.C ^{say what ?} 18:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect - to List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people although this could have just been done instead of AfD. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 19:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Redirect -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. Aleta (Sing) 20:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result was Keep, nom witdrawn non-admin closure by --Lenticel ^(talk) 23:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dapdap high school

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Cannot find a website for this school on Google — probably does not meet notability requirements. Also, the article has been tagged since November and not seen any substantial improvements since then. Lea (talk) 10:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Comment. The school is apparently real, but has no web presence (a common issue with schools in the Philippines).[39] Of undetermined reliablity: UPU contest mention. As for the article, if the commendation could could be sourced, other problems would be a 5-minute cleanup job. • Gene93k (talk) 15:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Sadly, "Outstanding Secondary School" tarlac yields no relevant hits; I have no clue how else to dig up a source for this. -- Lea (talk) 21:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
• comment - try "Dapdap National High School." - I think we also need to give some wight to the fact that wikipedia has v few articles on schools in this country and notable schools do not have to have web sites in English or even web sites. Victuallers (talk) 17:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • From googling Dapdap National High School, I find [40], which lists an address. From the current article I got very limited news coverage at [41]. Those two are not enough to establish notability or even to put any substantial (cited) statements on the article page. If anyone has an idea how to verify "Most Outstanding Secondary School" in 2004, we might have a good reason to keep this article, but as of now I'm not really convinced. -- Lea (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)