Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2006 November 28

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 06:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Avery Coonley School

Avery Coonley School (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Blatant spam, speedy contested. -- Chrissperanza! chat edits 02:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I don't see what's so blatant about the spam. It seems to be a regular school, but it was even designated a historic site. I will change my vote if I see some better arguments for deletion. xxpor ^yo!|_{see what i've done} 03:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per notable awards added to article with references. Accurizer 03:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, there are 100s of others no more important than this. DGG 03:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. That's not a valid argument for keeping. Rather, it's an argument for deleting those hundreds of others. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 04:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Counter-Comment - It's not an argument for either. If it were, we'd delete all but the single most important article on WP! →Bobby← 16:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. School is notable and has recognisable awards. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, school has won an award and it's designated a historical site. I don't see why that would be spam. The article needs to be formatted and cleaned up, but that's it. -- Mgm|^(talk) 10:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, it is a viable school. If you look at Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive, you will notice that over the past two years a community consensus has emerged favoring keeping articles on bona fide schools for which there is verifiable information available. Also, WP:DP explicitly states that an article being a stub is not, in and of itself, reason for deletion. Finally, at Wikipedia:Schools there is a proposed policy in development--I would suggest we hold off on this (and any other school articles anyone may wish to nominate) until that policy is finalized and adopted, unless there is a policy specifically requiring the deletion of the given school--otherwise, we risk removing content that may turn out to be explicitly acceptable according to a broader community consensus. Kukini 15:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment pointing to a record of "successes" (many of them kept by older, less stringent criteria than what is usually accepted today) is highly misleading. We also didn't worry much about spam or trivial subjects two years ago. Standards change, and in the last several months, there has been, in fact, a large (and fairly successful) movement to delete or redirect school articles that are merely stubs. Neither of the proposed school notability proposed-guidelines (either WP:SCHOOLS or WP:SCHOOLS3 which I favor) has reached consensus. In the absence of specific guidelines, we don't keep everything, we go with more general guidelines, like multiple, independent non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. I can point you to dozens of school articles that were deleted or redirected in the last month alone. That said, this looks like a fairly decent article compared to the typical piece of school-spam (and so I'll vote Weak Keep), but as a general argument, your argument fails completely! Xtifr _tälk 16:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Here's a breakdown of every school AfD that originated in November and has already been closed (this is a simple count of closed discussions on the schoolwatch, not including DRV discussions): 29 articles were deleted or deleted and recreated as redirects, 19 were no consensus (and defaulted to keep), and 18 were outright kept. Thus, there's absolutely no consensus whatsoever, and any record that is thought to exist clearly does not. -- Kicking222 17:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - sourced, encyclopaedic. WilyD 15:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: It's a notable Blue Ribbon School with lots of potential for expansion. --Howrealisreal 16:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Encyclopedic content. StayinAnon 17:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Can we at least agree that it needs a rewrite? It's bragiing about its selectivity! -- Chrissperanza! chat edits 22:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Rewrite. Most articles about elementary schools are deleted. The notability of this school appears to arise from the fact that it is private. Not a very fair basis. Since it is a historice site, the article should be architechtural in nature, as opposed to bragging about how selective it is. Nlsanand 23:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand HoratioVitero 00:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but cleanup. Highfructosecornsyrup 00:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep based on awards. The "designation as a historical site" was performed by the Downers Grove Historical Society, so is not itself an indication of noteworthiness beyond a purely local level. It also appears to have been awarded purely because of the school's centennial. [1] Article does require cleanup, per above, but that is not a reason for deletion. Shimeru 07:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per Shimeru although note that the school building was designed by Frank Loyd Wright which is another claim of notability. JoshuaZ 04:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• No, read more closely. The school building was designed by one of Frank Lloyd Wright's students. The article doesn't even name him. Shimeru 04:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ouch. I've struck out my above comment. JoshuaZ 04:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Multiple awards and being designated as a historical site make this an open/shut case. Silensor 07:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Per above. Just H 20:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and/or completly rewrite. It is unquestionably notable on a local level (as are most schools) but notability on a local level is not sufficient for inclusion in Wikipedia, otherwise just about every shop on every high street would merit an article. I am not convinced about its notability in the grander scheme of things, although others apparently are. If this is kept, the article needs a complete rewrite to become an encyclopaedia article rather than a brag list. It needs to explain the awards it has received, who from and why it won them. It also needs to explain anything else that makes it more notable than A.N. Other school - there are a lot of successful selective private schools out there, so this alone is not reason enough for an article. Everything must also be backed up by reliable sources. Thryduulf 22:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep in some form (those wishing to merge are free to do so as usual). "Confusing" isn't really a case for deletion if it can be corrected by editing. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Synekism

Synekism (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Article is confusing mass of information Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep; All the article needs is proper editing/expansion Irk_(talk) 00:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. 35 hits on Google; it's a neologism, apparently. -- Mikeblas 00:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep; It seems like all this article would need is a little fixer-upper by someone who actually knows something about the topic. Mrmaroon25 00:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Edward Soja Koweja 00:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Edward Soja like stated above because all the google hits say something along the lines of "Soja's notion of synekism..." Wikipediarules2221 01:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Edward Soja Hello32020 03:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge (and redirect) to Edward Soja. Too much of a neologism to have its own page.- Mgm|^(talk) 10:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge. Its just a stray definition. DGG 19:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or Delete I agree to the above that it's a reletively limited and new neologism, but from the article itself it appears to define the concept poorly, I could possibly agree to an article on it if the article asserted the notability of the theory or its importance in context. I have some sociology background and I've never heard the term, maybe it's more common at the higher levels, but in my opinion, for this to be a full article it needs to A: assert the importance of the theory B: explain it better in vernacular that is understandible by the layperson and C: cite more specific sources.

Wintermut3 23:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Edward Soja. Doing so will help the Soja article which could also use some attention. I've identified an article by Soja and a book review about his work that are more recent than anything currently listed at the current Soja article and will update Soja's page with this material. Keesiewonder 00:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• FYI I am working on updating the references as promised, now ... :-) Keesiewonder 11:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• I've linked synekism to Edward Soja. Can the former's linkless tag be removed during an AfD? Keesiewonder 12:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - I'm willing to settle for a merge; this probably wasn't the smartest afd I've submitted. If anyone is willing to complete the merge, I would be glad to withdraw my request (I think I'm allowed to do so in this situation). Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 14:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 12:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not For Sale

Crystal balling. This uncited article offers no specific release date. Prod was removed by User:Blackjays with no comment. Mikeblas 00:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems fine to me, and it will probably grow as we grow closer to the release date of the album. I personally have not heard of most of the artists listed in the article, but Rihanna is currently quite a prominent name. I think it should be fine to keep. --Mrmaroon25 00:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. seems to be a confirmed album of a notable artist. Koweja 00:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a confirmed album, and there is no specific release date. However, it does not really make sense to delete an article which will be back up eventually. This is not quite crystal balling since Akon and Kardinal Offishall himself both stated that it will be released early next year. There are also references even though my article is claimed to be uncited (note the subtitle which reads "References"), and they should be taken into account. Blackjays 04:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. If these artists have verifiably confirmed the release date, please do add a specific reference because neither reference (in the subtitle which reads "References") contains that information. -- Mikeblas 15:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, album seems to be confirmed. If there is reliable sources, then it is not crystal ballism. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Article is referenced and its sources appear to be reliable. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Question. The references on the page at the moment don't confirm the album, and therefore also do not provide a concrete release date. This is pure speculation, then. Or am I missing something? One of the references given is a MySpace page, which is full of copyvio videos and a bunch of other crap, so I didn't spend much time trying to read through it. -- Mikeblas 15:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above, the album is verified and confirmed. RFerreira 02:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Just to set the record straight (no pun intended), I will admit that there is no actual DATE of release for this album. I agree with Mikeblas, but I dont agree that my article is completely uncited, and I don't see any major crystal balling here. Mike, you ask if you are missing something, and seeing as you didn't spend the time to fully browse the references, I think you were missing something. --Blackjays 12:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • • Comment. Note that the above comments were written by [User:74.116.213.216], which may or may not be [User:Blackjays]. -- Mikeblas 13:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. What I'm missing is useful references in this article. I keep prying away links to copyvio material. All I'm left with is a painfully bad MySpace page, and I have a hard time considering that as a real reference. If this artist is notable and the release date is certain, then I'd expect reliable references (from Rolling Stone, say; or a hip-hop music magazine) to not be hard to find. As it stands, a search for the artist and the album title on Google [2] gets me less than 260 hits. The only ones with release dates seem to be Wikipedia mirror sites. Is htis article original research, then? Or is it just that this title isn't notable? Or is it just that the title will be notable when it's released, and assuming it is notable now is just crystal balling? The assertions here that the release is "verified and confirmed" don't site anything, either; and those contributors haven't bothered to improve the article. -- Mikeblas 13:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Yes it was me, Blackjays, I just didn't sign in at the time of the comments. One thing is for certain, more information will eventually be available for this album as we get closer to the early 2007 release, and this article is staying put (judging by the "keep support"). Blackjays 13:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'd hope that it's not at all certain! WP:CRYSTAL should guide the administrator closing this article, reagardless of the "support" here. Particularly since nobody here asserting that the album is confirmed or verfied has provided a shred of evidence of that confirmation and verification. Not only does WP:CRYSTAL apply, then, but so does WP:V. -- Mikeblas 14:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Metti

Michael Metti (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Wikipedia has clear and established consensus about candidates for election. Sometimes these rules are flouted (first AfD), but in this case, the candidate not only lost (surprise) garnering less than 2% of the vote, he also fails WP:BIO Eusebeus 00:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Vote the article out of office. --humblefool® 00:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable candidate, 124000 votes in the last election. Where exactly are our established guidelines for election candidates? --- RockMFR 01:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Here: Wikipedia:Candidates and elections. -- Fan-1967 02:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Great to see that a poorly-written proposed guideline is considered "established consensus". --- RockMFR 02:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Merely getting on the ballot, and getting stomped, is not, in itself, notable. Fan-1967 02:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - losing four statewide elections, the last with less than one vote in 70, doesn't establish sufficient notability. Now if it were four Presidential elections, that might be a different story. There was nothing else in the article even hinting at meeting WP:BIO. B.Wind 02:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

If four isn't enough - how many statewide elections must one lose to be notable??  ;) Garrie 00:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Candidate for US Federal Office. That's notable enough for me, WP:BIO should be changed. How do we change that, btw? Yankee Rajput 02:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Changing a guideline is not a light process; you should at the very least discuss it on the talk page. Doing it to keep one article is not a good idea, as it probably violates WP:POINT. Specifically you talk about US Federal office; does that mean any other country's federal office candidates are not exempt? ColourBurst 04:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Ignore WP:BIO for the time then. Consider only the Primary Notability Criteria: Is the subject referenced in multiple, independant, third-party sources? Consider this google search, which turns up not a single website unassociated with his own campaigns. Lack of independant references means it must go. --Jayron32 05:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Per notability policies above.Obina 21:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Per RockMFR and Yakee Rajput Kc4 00:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per notability, verifiability.Garrie 00:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No notability independent of lapsed candidacy. I favor a broad definition of candidate notability while elections are underway, and would have voted to keep in the first AfD. But now that the election has passed, nothing apparently makes this individual notable. 124K is a drop in the bucket as far as a statewide California election goes, and 2% returns is not history-making for a third-party candidate. Merge any pertinent details to California United States Senate election, 2006 and delete this article. No prejudice against recreation, should Metti run for office again. -- Shunpiker 01:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• I really wanted to keep this, as I hate the idea of Wikipedia:Candidates and elections ever becoming policy, but in this case the 1.6% and the lack of any other notability argues for deletion. Vizjim 11:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. Mindmatrix 21:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of television stations in Poralas

List of television stations in Poralas (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Delete as nom. Article has a nice title ansd that's certainly a rarity in these cases, but its content doesn't match. It's basically just some grouping of TV stations based on one person's own Wikipedia:original research. Intentionally or otherwise, it makes the biased (and lkely inaccurate) assertion that these are the standard channels and numbers through the area. It really just looks like something a kid wrote. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Looks like nonsense. WTF is Poralas? --- RockMFR 01:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, and that it probably fails WP:SPAM. Diez2 01:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete if it is not a hoax, it is certainly original research. B.Wind 02:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Wow! They have that many channels in Mexico?! OR & NN depending on what Poralas is (I'm assuming a Mexican township???) Spawn Man 02:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete no article on Poralas. Danny Lilithborne 02:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as orginal research. Hello32020 03:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 03:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax, zero ghits for Poralas as a location. Channel list makes no sense, why would Sun Sports be on the same system as channels from Singapore? BTW, I never saw cable TV in Mexico, it's all satelite AFAIK. Lots of channels. Tubezone 07:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:OR, WP:HOAX. What on earth is this all about? Some sort of nonsense. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Poralas doesn't even have an article. Most of these TV stations are based elsewhere, and most of them don't have articles though. Hut 8.5 19:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-11-29 04:15Z

[edit] Changing Homes FC

Changing Homes FC (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Amateur Sunday league club. Chick Bowen 01:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: I've prodded the individual players for whom articles were created. Chick Bowen 01:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or possible Speedy A7-article doesn't even assert notability and what little information there is is unreferenced. Seraphimblade 01:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - As per Seraphimblade. When I first saw the title I thought it was a local version of "Changing Rooms". Now making over a football club, now that's exciting... Spawn Man 02:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 02:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - If these played on Saturdays, they would be several levels below accepted the notability criterion. No consensus has been reached on Sunday league teams, other than they are all probably non-notable. This one especially so, they are only in their second season and there is nothing in the article to raise them above the crowd - fchd 07:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per precedent, appears that Sunday teams always get red-carded as NN. Also, the players, if their only claim to notability is being on this team, should be added to this AfD so we don't get orphan articles to AfD if the prods are pulled. Tubezone 08:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn football club. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 11:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Sorry lads but the team doesn't come close to meeting the football project's agreed guidelines on team notability. I'm also torn on whether or not to nominate the league they play in (the WSFL WindowMan Championship) for AfD as well.... ChrisTheDude 13:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I thought of nominating the league. I don't think in general we do Sunday leagues. Chick Bowen 17:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete the team, league, and any players who haven't played anywhere notable (I doubt they have anyone who's played internationally or in the FA Premiership). It's basically a recreational team in a recreational league. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.212.122.142 (talk • contribs)
• Delete non notable football team --Angelo 17:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, inherently non-notable. Qwghlm 19:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, football club is not notable. RFerreira 02:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete A7, with all associated players with articles. --Dennisthe2 03:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. — CharlotteWebb 09:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Hogan

Not Notable crazyeddie 01:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep and Wikify This person was the District Attorney of New York, New York. Sure, the article needs a little formatting, but the District Attorney position of a major city is pretty important, don't you think? Diez2 01:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Heck if I know. I'm mainly listing this to get an opinion poll. I looked over the criteria for biographical notability. For me, Frank Hogan flunks the 100 year test - I don't particularly care who the DA of NYC was a hundred years ago, and I doubt if people a 100 years from now will care that much either. (Unless they are really into civic history.) But I realize that Your Mileage May Vary, hence the reason for the AfD process. crazyeddie 01:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I have the same position as Crazy. Seems like an unimportant position to me, but what you consider important differs from person to person. John Smith's 09:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't particularly care about past US presidents either, but that doesn't make them non-notable. Deletion should be based on objective criteria, not someone's own opinion. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep. District attorney of NYC for over 30 years, US Senate candidate, many references. --- RockMFR 01:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep More than notable enough to warrant keeping. Paul 02:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - clears WP:BIO with room to spare. B.Wind 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Subject meets the notability requirements of WP:BIO. Article provides reliable, third-party sources as required by WP:V. -- Satori Son 04:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep a google search turns up reliable sources, and good ones too. Consider this one from the NYSDAA with an extensive bio or this one from the Village Voice, or this one which about the Lenny Bruce obscenity trial, of which he was lead prosecutor. Notable out the wazoo. --Jayron32 05:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, meets WP:BIO, WP:V. Ummmm...are you kidding with me? --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above reasonings. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and close this. Just H 13:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Scienter 14:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: He's immortalized by 1 Hogan Place in Manhattan, how can you say he fails the 100 year test? Furthermore, Google Books indicates his legacy in plenty of books and governmental hearing reports (like one about Jimmy Hoffa). --Howrealisreal 16:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Highly notable; much more so than many legislators. Will probably be remembered in 100 years as a street is named after him in lower Manhattan. Morris 02:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and respectfully suggest that the nominator withdraw this from AfD per WP:SNOW. RFerreira 02:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Is the nominator trying to live up to their user name? --Oakshade 06:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I think he should go back to cutting prices: "Crazy Eddie, his prices are IN-SA-A-A-A-A-ANE!" --Howrealisreal 14:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedily deleted by Gurch. MER-C 04:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmad chamoun

Ahmad chamoun (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

No notability and no verification. We can't have a Wikipedia article on every doctor in the world without establishing how that person stands out. Besides, it fails WP:BIO. Diez2 01:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete per db-bio. --- RockMFR 01:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as the "saved hundreds of lives" seems dubious at best. If it weren't for the title, the person's name wouldn't have been mentioned at all. B.Wind 02:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above. So tagged. MER-C 02:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy gonzales - Ariba ariba ariba! I have saved hundreds of lives by speedying bad articles... Spawn Man 02:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Gotta speed, Keed! Danny Lilithborne 02:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete — per all above. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 03:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Under db-bio criteria. Hello32020 03:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asbed

Asbed (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Should belong in Wikidictionary. A tag was already here proposing a move to the Wikidictionary, and the article itself should be deleted from Wikipedia. Diez2 01:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - already Transwikied. B.Wind 02:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Does {{db-transwiki}} exist yet? If not, Strong Delete. -- Chrissperanza! chat edits 02:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above and WP:WINAD. MER-C 03:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. I note that there is a db-transwiki, but that doesn't seem to apply here. --Dennisthe2 03:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dan Zygyroyd

Dan Zygyroyd (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This appears to be a wrestler, but the only reference there doesn't seem to prove the subject's notability. Peter O. (Talk) 01:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• "Rumors" of making it to a national wrestling promotion is insufficient to establish notability of this local wrestler. Delete. B.Wind 02:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - As per nom. There are rumours this article will be deleted. Anyone else care to clarify these rumours for me?? Spawn Man 02:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Creator tried to remove AfD notice. MER-C 03:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as total nonsense. This guy doesn't exist and neither does his promotion(0 Ghits for both, not even anything from Myspace or OWW). The link for CWL goes to the airport in Cardiff, Wales.
• Delete due to complete lack of notability. RampageouS 17:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Pile drive Complete hoax. 6'11'' GM of an airport, trained in wrestling by Corky? Love those wikilinks, btw. Wavy G 00:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, fails the everything test. RFerreira 02:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and everyone who declares him vastly unnotable. Chris Buckey 18:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirected to Slayer (Buffyverse) per one-person majority but (unlike the deletion) this is not binding. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Slayer

The Slayer (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Another article about a perhaps obscure wrestler. Peter O. (Talk) 01:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Another wrestler who has (apparently) yet to go beyond the local promotions; therefore too obscure for Wikipedia. Delete. B.Wind 02:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Chokeslam-Delete - As per nom. It's down for the count... 10... 9... Argh, sod it, delete it already... Spawn Man 02:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - fails WP:BIO. MER-C 03:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Buffy Summers. Otto4711 15:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per Otto, very good proposal. Xtifr _tälk 16:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Change to per Danny (below), even better. Xtifr _tälk 18:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Fickle. Otto4711 21:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Slayer (Buffyverse) as really the only definite article use of the term I can think of. Danny Lilithborne 22:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... What does a wrestler have to do with Buffy?? My brain hurts, as it where would you put it in the Buffy article?? We can't put it in the trivia section as we don't know that this wrestler is named after her... Spawn Man 08:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Nobody said anything about a merge, silly! :) Xtifr _tälk 12:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake... :) Spawn Man 22:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• This has nothing to do with Buffy, it's just a man who "slays" a lot I guess. 71.135.164.142 04:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was You asked for speedy, you got a speedy. Tawker 05:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh beef

Oh beef (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable and unreferenced neologism, disputed prod. Seraphimblade 01:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete this qualifies as a speedy deletion candidate. Wikipediarules2221 02:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete First, Wikipedia is not a street dictionary or idiom reference. Second, why did he or she even bother contesting the prod? Diez2 02:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete nonsense. B.Wind 02:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• "Oh Beef! We just speedied your article!" - Obviously a delete from me. Spawn Man 02:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oh Snap! Speedy delete patent nonsense. Danny Lilithborne 03:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete — Definitely nonsense. Perhaps WP:BJAODN. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 03:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above. MER-C 03:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Artista

Artista (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

No notability and no verification. This is a group of cartoonists that did what? The world may never know. Also, there is no sources to verify this article, so it should be deleted. Diez2 01:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete No hits on Google. Wikipediarules2221 02:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - C'mon, how can you not know "the gang"??? Everyone knows that they, ummm... drew the comic... ummmm... Okay, I don't know. Spawn Man 02:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Absolutely unverifiable. -- Chrissperanza! chat edits 02:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete toons! games! eeeemail... Danny Lilithborne 03:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 03:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Delete per nom - no notability, no verification. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Deleteper nom. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Hut 8.5 18:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. RFerreira 02:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete; notability on Wikipedia requires independent non-trivial third-party sources ("this number is big" is not sufficient), and none have been presented. This AfD does not prejudice against recreation with reference to such sources. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] InfoStor magazine

InfoStor magazine (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Bump from speedy. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-11-22 21:35Z

• Delete, notability not asserted. Demiurge 22:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Agent 86 01:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep There is a difference between an article needing to be deleted and an article needing to be expanded. This article is one that needs to be expanded. Diez2 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• This is an orphan article, and articles are generally orphaned for a reason. I don't see anything indicating that the subject meets WP:CORP. Delete B.Wind 02:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Jeesh, I thought article was gonna be about something boring like cupboards or something. Then I find it's about data storage which is 10 times worse!! Argh! NN & possibly self promoting. Spawn Man 02:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• KeepIt's a notable newsletter in its industry.DGG 03:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I have added some info to the article. It has 39,000 subscribers, which is high for a relatively specialized industry magazine of this sort. It is reachable by at least 3 different online newsletter services. There are about 120,000 links in Google to articles or product reviews published there. It has been published continuously since 1997, rather long for such a publication. I would be a little absurd for a technically-oriented encyclopedia like WP not to carry it, because some of those voting thought it was about furniture. As now revised it is not self-promoting. There's a difference between commercial spam , and real notable commercial products. DGG 07:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep. Delete. No assertions of notability whatsoever. Not even one reliable, third-party source. -- Satori Son 04:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC) While I strongly disagree with DGG's assertion that Wikipedia is a "technically-oriented encyclopedia", this article does now have a minimum assertion of notability. It still needs better third-party references, but it looks like they do exist as well. -- Satori Son 14:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — There are no assertions of notability, and there isn't even a statistic of how many readers read this magazine. "More can be found at website name" smacks of advertising as well. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep 39,000 subscribers qualifies as notable in my opinion. Needs citation. Scienter 14:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

A small town has 39,000 readers. Now a magazine in my country has over 1 mill readers, yet on here even that would seem as NN... As Kungming said, it smacks of advertising... Spawn Man 08:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete; notability on Wikipedia requires independent non-trivial third-party sources ("this number is big" is not sufficient), and none have been presented. This AfD does not prejudice against recreation with reference to such sources. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 01:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Storage Magazine

Storage Magazine (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Storage Magazine, a storage magazine. Nominating this to be fair to InfoStor magazine (AfD discussion). —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-11-22 21:36Z

• Delete, notability not asserted. Demiurge 22:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Agent 86 01:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep There is a difference between an article needing to be deleted and an article needing to be expanded. This article is one that needs to be expanded. Diez2 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Very Weak Keep Diez2 said it right. Yankee Rajput 02:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per above. JRP 02:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Jeesh, I thought article was gonna be about something boring like cupboards or something. Then I find it's about data storage which is 10 times worse!! Argh! NN & possibly self promoting. Spawn Man 02:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. We don't have notability criteria for publications, but it appears to be in publication since 2002 and seems to be a professional commercial endeavour, so it will probably do. Sandstein 05:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I'll change to a Keep when it can be demonstrated that more than a handful of people subscribe to this journal. Scienter 14:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep They claim 20,000 on their page for advertisers, but not as well established as IS.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (For those who are wondering, notable enough for one Wikipedia is indeed notable enough for all.) --Sam Blanning^(talk) 02:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ata Demirer

Ata Demirer (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Completely and utterly fails WP:BIO. Hmm, his best known role was on the TV show ATV Turkey. The show's article itself is a stub, and gets very few hits on Google. Delete. Diez2 01:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Google hits are misleading here as the ATV Turkey site is in Turkish. I'd be leery of deleting this article without first hearing from natives of Turkey. If the show is as popular as the articles indicate, then the subject would meet WP:BIO. B.Wind 02:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - Just a hunch here. Yankee Rajput 03:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The nom suggests that being best known for role on ATV Turkey confirms non-notability. It appears the opposite. Per WP:BIO, "Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions." --Oakshade 07:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, meets WP:BIO criteria. Needs lots of expansion and a major cleanup. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Terribly short, yes. But we can't delete this based on an English Google search. We need Turkish input.- Mgm|^(talk) 10:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or am I missing something here? If this person is well known in the Turkish entertainment industry then an article in the Turkish Wiktionary is a given. No article in the English Wikipedia is required unless the subject becomes notable in the English speaking entertainment industry or becomes newsworthy outside of Turkey. LittleOldMe 17:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • You're missing the fact that the "English" in "English Wikipedia" solely means that its articles are written in the English language. Forcing a language requirement into our WP:BIO criteria, which has no such requirement, is systemic bias. Uncle G 18:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • UncleG is right. English is only the language and has nothing to do with the subject. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep But needs obvious development. Linuxaurus 15:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedily deleted as {{db-bio}} as a non-notable biography, WP:BIO refers. (aeropagitica) 05:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Mitchell (illustrator)

Peter Mitchell (illustrator) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable artist. Veinor (ヴエノル^(talk)) 02:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete vanity page - originator appears to be Peter Mitchell himself. B.Wind 02:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete vain vanity in vain. Danny Lilithborne 03:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete - csd a7. So tagged. MER-C 03:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aly & AJ videography

Aly & AJ videography (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Not sure how this is even an article. At the very least violates WP:NOT#IINFO and WP:NOT#REPOSITORY. -- eo 02:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - the faster, the better - Wikipedia is NOT your personal photo housing! B.Wind 02:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• BALLETE! BALLETE! (delete) -- Chrissperanza! chat edits 02:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete page and all related images Wikipedia is not Flickr. Danny Lilithborne 03:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - fair use gallery. Don't forget to nuke the related images. MER-C 03:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Wow. Can we say db-spam? Can we also say this should be merged with a MySpace page? Diez2 03:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - as above --tgheretford (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete pictures of music videos? Come on. PS: Who the hell are Aly and AJ? Wavy G 01:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Wavy: They're jailbait fantasy-fodder for homeschooled preteen males. Caknuck 20:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Commons. Caknuck 20:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The Commons doesn't accept unfree images. Extraordinary Machine 22:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, can't possibly count as fair use. Extraordinary Machine 22:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was for the article to die. - Mailer Diablo 06:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Live Or Die

Live Or Die (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Deprodded so sending here. While there are lots of reports that 50 cent is working on a new album, the only thing I can find on a working title is this Ireland Online article, and the reports listed on Google news all describe an album featuring Motown style stuff. Tubezone 02:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Until there is official confirmation, delete - discussion boards are not reliable sources. B.Wind 02:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. MER-C 03:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - You HAVE to be kidding me. There is no way I can see The Game on his new album after their beef. Someones not telling the truth. Blackjays 05:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:CRYSTAL Scienter 14:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - I just found a link confirming that this isn't even the name of his new album! [3] It will be called "I Can't Stay Away". Blackjays 00:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, as per WP:CRYSTAL. --SonicChao ^talk 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish revenge

Turkish revenge (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

NN neologism/ancient movie quote. ghits: [4] NMChico24 02:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Poorly written, UE, NN, Unsourced, Few Ghits, OR, what else could be a more suitable candidate for deletion?? Spawn Man 02:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 03:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Err.... Do we need an article on ways to stab people in the buns? –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:NEO, WP:V, ummm... --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unsourced, unverified neologism.-- danntm ^T _C 17:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. RFerreira 02:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, with no-one claiming that Utcursch's research isn't sufficient to show notability (Diez2's claim isn't consistent with the number and breadth of sources cited). --Sam Blanning^(talk) 02:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asian School of Business

Asian School of Business (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Fails WP:SCHOOL. Does not meet any of the requirements of WP:SCHOOL, and does not mention any history of the school. This should be deleted. Diez2 02:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete — Reads like self-promotion, very low hits on Google. Possible advertisement. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 03:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:SCHOOL, advertisement. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Mereda 11:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It looks genuine, but it's a new start-up with little visibility or notability. It doesn't seem to be accredited yet: I'm ready to change my mind to keep if it is one of the first in India to gain international accreditation, like AACSB.--Mereda 11:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC) ::
• Comment. It is not a primary/secondary school -- it is a management institute. I am not sure about the accredition or recognition. But the institute received wide press coverage in major Indian newspapers including The Hindu[5][6][7] and The Times of India[8]. Also [9][10][11] utcursch | talk 14:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep The school meets WP:SCHOOL requirements. Specifically: "The school has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the school itself." This is shown by the newspaper articles cited by User:Utcursch.These alone are enough to make it notable.CraigMonroe 20:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• WP:SCHOOL says that the school has been the subject of multiple non-trivial works. Utcursch only cites one article and the school's official website. Diez2 22:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Go back and look. He cited eight articles. None of which were the school's website. 4 were from newspapers in India, and one was from Yahoo news. The others were from various news sources. None were the school's website. Wouldn't this be multiple sources? 67.162.212.254 01:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment- please review the speedy keep criteria- the nominator has not withdrawn the vote, there have been delete votes, the nomination is not clear vandalism, it is in the correct process, the nominator is not banned, and the article is neither a guideline nor linked to by the main page. --Kuzaar^-T-C- 16:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• keep We are possibly being more stringent differently because not familiar. DGG 22:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep as per above. Highfructosecornsyrup 00:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment- please review the speedy keep criteria- notability is not a qualifying reason for a speedy keep vote, and per above. --Kuzaar^-T-C- 16:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment This really isn't a "school", it's an unaccredited business college and that's a messy area. Counting the clippings isn't the only way to make a judgement. This new college only has 100(?) students and there's a concern about advertising this business for its ambitions, not its achievements. I looked at the press coverage and I wasn't convinced by it at first glance - it's launch publicity, it's uncritical, and it's not in-depth; though I accept that they include bylined items in serious newspapers. If we imagine the college closing today, would it be worth an encyclopedia article on any grounds?? (except comprehensive coverage of all business colleges in India!) Would it be notable in the enduring record of the field? --Mereda 08:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the reason I've not voted Keep yet. If it is accredited or recognized, I will vote Keep, but there is no indication of that. News coverage is mostly due to NRIs supporting the college. utcursch | talk 10:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

As long as the college has generated verifiable sources for itself, what difference does it make if it's an accredited school or not? Unaccredited schools make news too, and unaccredited schools can be notable too. Highfructosecornsyrup 15:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, no evidence of notability or remarkability provided in the article or in a cursory search for information on the subject. --Kuzaar^-T-C- 16:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep especially per utcursch's top-notch research. I have no idea what the accreditation regime is like in India, but the fact that a school is accredited does not make it notable, and the fact that a school is not accredited does not make it non-notable. Simply put, there is no Wikipedia policy that determines notability based on accreditation. The sources are independent, verifiable and from reliable sources in full compliance with WP:V and WP:RS, all of which establish notability under either WP:SCHOOL or WP:CORP. Alansohn 04:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

weak keep almost full keep. The sources all seem to be more about what the school will be when built and don't have much in the way of detail. However, since the school is sourced in a wide geographic area and has enough data to write a decent size stub, I'm inclined to keep. (and if anyone cares, I think it passes criterion 1 of WP:SCHOOLS3). JoshuaZ 04:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Was this article rewritten recently? I only ask because the article I'm looking at passes WP:SCHOOLS with flying colors; well sourced, well written, and obviously notable to the surrounding community. Silensor 07:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Mereda[12] and User:Alansohn[13] fixed it. 220.227.179.4 16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment That is my view. CraigMonroe 22:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep If anyone recognises my name from other school afds, they'd be stunned by my suggestion it be kept but this one actually deserves to be included. It needs many things added to it to make it an encyclopedia article and not an advertising run, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, but all that said I think any (attempt at a) world class post-graduate school of management built for $3.6m in a developing country is notable. India has a veritable tsunami of schools of cautious notability outside of India but I don't think this is an example due to the hubub it caused. It's unaccredited but I imagine a lot of Indian schools don't have the same accreditation standards as schools in developed countries and generally across the world business colleges are less likely to be accredited then other similar institutions. Per a couple of comments by people about it being ambitious rather than established, I agree, but it's VERY ambitious. Consider if a plan was afoot and the groundwork laid for a 2000 storey tower made out of diamonds in Australia, it's not established rather ambitious, but boy is it ambitious! Therefore it'd be worthy of an article. I think this is the same sort of thing.•Elomis• 23:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedily redirected. AFD is not the place to discuss mergers and once material is merged the history of the source article needs to be retained to comply with the GFDL. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Student desk

Doesn't seem notable. I merged it already into desk, but I have doubts if it should really be there either. Delete. Yankee Rajput 02:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - A student desk is a stupid idea for an article. I have an old school desk, but I am niether a student nor am I at school. Therefore it looks like other desks. So what is a student desk? A desk for study? Do we need a study table or study chair too? Delete, & merge any, and I mean if any, info into desk. Spawn Man 02:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)comment
• Redirect - I don't think "merge and delete" is an option. The contribution history needs to be preserved. That said, the information is completely unsourced and a little arcane. shotwell 02:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Why isn't it an option? Yankee Rajput 03:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Shotwell said it already: If material is merged "the contribution history needs to be preserved." - Mgm|^(talk) 10:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It's a distinct article of furniture sold to a distinctive market--'Desk" otherwise means office desk. It is so distinctive that people buy them as conversation pieces, a/c 3 comments up. DGG 03:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect, close discussion. AfD is not a forum for discussing article mergers. That said, this brief and unsourced content seems to fit well on Desk. If it grows and is sourced, it can be spin off again. Otherwise, much of the content should probably be deleted as OR. Sandstein 05:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, what's the difference from a normal desk and a student desk? Isn't it more or less the same than any other desks? As a student, we use a normal desk, not some special type of desk. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Escritoirecruft.--Folantin 09:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect. When material is merged, the edit history of the source material needs to be retained to be GFDL compliant. Deleting the article would mean there'd be no paper trace to find out who originally wrote the material which is key for verifiability and accountability. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Doug Bell ^talk 09:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abbe Land

Abbe Land (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable local politician. Fails to meet WP:BIO, specifically "Political figures holding or who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature.", as Ms. Land has held no statewide job. Additionally, "Mayor" of West Hollywood is a non-elected position, rotating through elected city council members. JRP 02:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Note to admin closing this AFD: This article previously passed a WP:PROD and was deleted, then recreated. If this passes AFD, please restore the original history of the article. (The re-creator did not follow the prod-undelete process, just recreated from a cache.) JRP 02:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 03:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Is a candidate who gets trounced in a primary election considered notable? I don't think so. Delete. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• please remove page or lock the page, users wheoethics and jamesfurman are one and the same and hold a grudge against all west hollywood city councilmembers due to a land use decision, this is not the forum to air grudges and post innacurate and slanderous material, wehogatewayWehogateway 22:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Please Wikipedia:Assume good faith. This also isn't a forum for personal attacks. JRP 15:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• It's not quite accurate to say that the position of mayor of West Hollywood is a "non-elected" position. The mayor is elected by the city council. By tradition, the position generally rotates among the councilmembers, but this is only by consent of the council majority, not by automatic right. This is a common form of government in smaller California cities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Caldem (talk • contribs) 03:02, 29 November 2006. — Caldem (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Strong Keep She was mayor of West Hollywood and is currently a councilperson there. These things make her notable. Here are a couple of Los Angeles Times articles on her [14] [15]--Oakshade 04:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete: only one editor making genuine arguments for keeping in this AfD, though not being very specific. There are two NME reviews documented here, and NME is undoubtedly a notable music publication. However, the article as it stands relies on nothing more than the subject's family to assert notability, and there's clear consensus here that that isn't sufficient. If anyone is able to create an article which asserts and verifies the subject's notability independently, more than the current two-sentence stub, then this deletion doesn't prejudice against that. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 02:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad Islam

Muhammad Islam (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Subject hasn't done anything notable to be included in wiki Rarechords (talk · contribs)

Comment I finished the afd nom that Rarechords started. See this note on my talk page for a little background. I'll abstain from making a recommendation on this. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Additional comment I should've provided a link to the original afd for Yoriyos. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete being the offspring of the former Cat Stevens is not sufficient notability for inclusion into Wikipedia. B.Wind 02:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Being the offspring of a famous musician is not enough to merit notability. Subject must be notable on his/her own. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 03:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 03:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

*Delete dittoTvoz 05:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I withdraw my "delete" vote; apparently he has has some press and might fit "notability" requirement after all - I am researching this now. Name he records under is "Yoriyos". Request that you hold off on deletion.Tvoz 01:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above. Scienter 14:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. ConDem^Talk 18:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Don't delete as he is also a musician who will release his first album soon (as stated in the links that were deledet by 82.69.43.155)... --84.192.156.78 18:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Musicians who have not yet released an album are often, I'm afraid, not considered notable. See Wikipedia:Notability (music). ConDem^Talk 19:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with Cat Stevens —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.19.54.164 (talk • contribs)
• Delete having a famous parent does not guarantee notability, plus he is already given mention in the Cat Stevens article. Great name, though. Biruitorul 02:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Screw you nerds. Yoriyos has an official website and album. Yes, he is Yusuf Islam's offspring, but as long as fictional Star Wars characters are deemed acceptable enough to warrant their own pages, Yoriyos should be allowed to stay. Incredible Jake 02:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No need for that language Jake. Delete it. end of.

• • • • **** **** **** ****

See Amazon for Album shortly available

"Bury My Heart Wounded Knee" http://www.yoriyos.com/

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hotel Pontchartrain

Hotel Pontchartrain (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This article is being considered for deletion because RaccoonFox is stealing quotes directly from Emporis.com, not rewording them, and not even citing his source, despite being asked to multiple times. Criticalthinker 02:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• NOTE: Wikilink takes us to Hotel Pontchartrain, which should be speedily deleted as void of content (except for "Hotel Pontchartrain"). The nominated article is Hotel Pontchartrain. B.Wind 02:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Delete copyvio from Emporis.com. B.Wind 02:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete, A8. --Terence Ong _{(C | R)} 08:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: as is common with fictional characters, no consensus, particularly due to the confusion over exactly what fictional works the characters are limited to (apparently not just a computer game). --Sam Blanning^(talk) 02:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan and Pikel Bouldershoulder

Ivan and Pikel Bouldershoulder (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Minor characters in a computer game. Wikipedia is neither a game guide nor an indiscriminate collection of information. Unreferenced and unwikified. Contested prod. MER-C 02:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep. They're not computer game characters, but rather fairly major characters in The Cleric Quintet. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 04:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Mention can be made at The Cleric Quintet. Eusebeus 13:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Scienter 14:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Can be merged into the article The Cleric Quintet if a 3rd party ref describes them. My view is reading the primary source and and choosing which are the notable characters is OR.Obina 21:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Article makes no assertion of notability. Wavy G 01:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep They were primary charcters in The Cleric Quintet and have been featured quite alot in some of the newer books. I've been doing some work on the page, trying to get it up past "stub" status. If Clacker and Belwar Dissengulp have pages, shouldn't Ivan and Pikel? Mwsilvabreen 21:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep* Ivan and Pikel were in fact two of the main protagonists in the Cleric Quintet and deserve a page of their own. Other minor characters like like Drizzt's favored weapons Twinkle and Icingdeath have a page.
• Changing to Keep Didn't understand from the wording, "Residents of R.A. Salvatores Forgotten Realms Universe" that these are characters from a book series. Intro paragraph could use a good cleanup and wikilinks (for instance, how about specifying, "fictional characters from the book series The Cleric Quintet"?), but now I see, from reading others' input here, that these are notable characters. Wavy G 18:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. You can make a mention of it on the school district, though. - Mailer Diablo 06:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Briarwood Elementary School

Briarwood Elementary School (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This is a list of redlinks, and presumably none of them actually merit articles. Nominating for deletion per WP:NOT an employee directory, and even if this were expanded into an actual article about the elementary school, the subject of the article would not be notable. Principal Schoolswatter 03:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC) — Principal Schoolswatter (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete - no assertion of notability. MER-C 03:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete, for same reasonsDGG 04:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --- RockMFR 05:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Non-notable elementary school, seems like an employee listing as Principal Schoolswatter stated. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn elementary school. Eusebeus 14:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep There are hundreds of schools on wikipedia. Does someone famous HAVE to be from each of them to make them notable? I cleaned up the article's silly redlinks. If you look at Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive, you will notice that over the past two years a developing community consensus has emerged favoring keeping articles on bona fide schools for which there is verifiable information available. Also, WP:DP explicitly states that an article being a stub is not, in and of itself, reason for deletion. Finally, at Wikipedia:Schools there is a proposed policy in development--I would suggest we hold off on this (and any other school articles anyone may wish to nominate) until that policy is finalized and adopted, unless there is a policy specifically requiring the deletion of the given school--otherwise, we risk removing content that may turn out to be explicitly acceptable according to a broader community consensus. Kukini 15:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If I'm not mistaken, there's never been a clear community consensus on keeping articles about schools of disputed notability; the articles are merely kept because "no consensus" in AFD discussions defaults to "keep". Extraordinary Machine 18:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Also note that in the last few months deletion decison and redirects have become increasingly more common. As to what schools should satisfy, there are currently two proposals in play WP:SCHOOLS and WP:SCHOOLS3. As far as I can tell this would satisfy neither of them. JoshuaZ 05:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect to Florham Park School District. Whatever little content exists should be merged to the district article. Article makes no claim of notability for school, and no evidence was found in Google / Google News to support an ex post facto claim for this school. Consensus is that such articles should be the subject of a merge/redirect which preserves article history and allows for recreation of an expanded article in the event that additional information crops up that would justify a standalone article. Alansohn 15:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Jacob1207 04:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per Alan. I'm not convinced that the minimal content justifies calling it a "merge" but there's no point in deleting the content when a redirect will serve just as well. However, I'm not sure there is anything worth merging. JoshuaZ 05:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or alternatively redirect. There's no "there" there. Shimeru 07:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no notability or remarkability at all demonstrated in article (which itself is significantly less than a stub). --Kuzaar^-T-C- 16:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nothing here that resembles an assertion of notability. —ptk✰fgs 22:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to the Florham Park School District page until it can stand on its own two feet. Silensor 07:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No assertion of notability whatsoever. No reliable, third-party sources. There is no use waiting until WP:SCHOOL is nailed down, if ever, because this article would not meet even the flimsiest criteria for notability (unless we settled on "existence"). Wikipedia is not a directory of primary schools, or anything else. -- Satori Son 02:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Au petit hotel

Au petit hotel (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This is an orphaned article that has no notability. All I can get from this is that the Au Petit Hotel is owned by someone and built at sometime. This fails WP:LOCAL. Diez2 03:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 03:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Hotel that makes no assertion of notability. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete A hotel. At the end of a street. There are probably Monopoly hotels that are more notable than this. Wavy G 01:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Clear-cut case. DrKiernan 10:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 06:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RealClimate

RealClimate (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable blog ad with all references only pointing to the blog itself. --timecop 03:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• delete Sure, what the hell. Yankee Rajput 03:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - seems to meet WP:WEB with the two coverages in Nature and Science. MER-C 03:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- Blogs are rarely notable, but this one is.DGG 04:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. --- RockMFR 05:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Award winning and coverage by two prestigious scientific journals. That's not remotely non-notable. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep rare instance of a blog actually being more than simply non-notable. Eusebeus 14:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - widely-referenced in political debate on climate change. Sam Clark 19:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - care to give actual references or links? no, not links to other blogs that talk about this one. - Femmina 20:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Blogs are never notable and this one is no exception. - Femmina 20:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, blogs can be notable, according to WP:WEB. One well-known example is Little Green Footballs. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 23:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Blogs can be notable, and this is a good example. The RealClimate keeps a list of references here which demonstrates that they are quoted in numerous (non-blog) sources. -- Bpmullins | Talk 21:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above comments. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 23:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep one of the few influential and referenced blogs, a major party in the more public discussions about global warming and things like the "hockeystick controversy". Fram 10:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Pure crap. Worthless blog trash. (this comment was added by Amanduhh 03:13, 30 November 2006)
• Delete - A neutral article might not be okay, but this one is pure boosterism. Blogjack 19:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Narssarssuaq 00:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep - if this article can be deleted following a coherent nomination based on a lack of third-party reliable sources to base an article upon, then this isn't that nomination; and this AfD does not prejudice against such a nomination in the future. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 02:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Online self-service

• Delete huh? wha? Yankee Rajput 03:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep - that's not a reason for deletion. MER-C 03:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. Given reason not valid. Not the best of articles now, but salvagable. If everything else fails it can be redirected to self-service software. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or at minimun merge per Mgm. The reason is this is just some OR describing a dicdif. And there are no sources. If this is more than a made up term, and has an encylopedic value, please provide

source.Obina 21:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• keep Very badly written & almost un-understandable, but the remedy is to get it rewritten. DGG 22:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for procedural reasons. It's pure marketroid speak, so I can only guess that this is the reason for the deletion - and for what it's worth, the "online" world is pretty much "self service". --Dennisthe2 03:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• This is so nearly incomprehensible as written that I wouldn't dissent from an argument to delete it as nonsense. It seems to largely duplicate self-service software by the same editor, so I think a merge is best. -- Bpmullins | Talk 20:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedyed. xxpor ^yo!|_{see what i've done} 03:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Casualty01

Casualty01 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Disputed Speedy, delete per WP:BIO-- xxpor ^yo!|_{see what i've done} 03:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hilary Duff videography

Hilary Duff videography (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Another pop music videography page which barely constitutes an encyclopedia article. In addition, filled with YouTube links. See also deletion discussion for Aly & AJ videography. -- eo 03:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Aly & AJ vote. Danny Lilithborne 03:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - fair use gallery. Don't forget to nuke the images, too. MER-C 04:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Eusebeus 14:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Hilary Duff but without images. Duff's video career is hardly prolific enough to warrant a separate article. 23skidoo 14:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete without the videos there really isn't much to merge. Koweja 19:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Emphatic delete - Youtube.com linkspam to the nth degree; one can also argue that the posted photos are not fair use and therefore violate copyright. B.Wind 23:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 07:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sadly, No

Sadly, No (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable political blogshite. No references except to itself and other blogs. Does not fit any kind of notability criteria. Sadly, not notable. --timecop 03:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 04:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Delete per nom. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn blog per nom. Eusebeus 14:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable, vanity - Femmina 20:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak^{(Calbaer 19:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC))} Delete if not significantly changed. Unsourced and unencyclopedic, but for all I know the blog might be notable in spite of its "small ... community" and lack of evidence in this article. Calbaer 22:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Dennisthe2 04:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable ego masturbation. --Amanduhh 03:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Question: If the information in this article were sourced, would it then be worthy to keep? I just came upon the article today because I was wondering what the story is behind this site. I know Wikipedia doesn't want to become a blog directory, but doesn't a blog gain some notablility after it reaches a certain level in traffic or some other marker?--AmericanRonin 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

comment - Wikipedia:Notability gives the guideline (with WP:WEB being the specific one for online material). Said guideline states that "notability is not subjective," which rings false to me, but its point is that it's not based on "I like it," but rather "It satisfies X, Y, and Z" (which can be found in WP:WEB). Properly sourced and written, Sadly, No! might be a valuable entry to Wikipedia. But right now it needs work to prove itself. In some sense it's kind of a shame that blogs need to go through such effort to prove themselves, so much so that the source text can be as much reference as explanation (in order to deflect random annoying AfDs). But, considering the arcane and novel nature of blogs, it's necessary in order to have a consistent policy all around. And Sadly, No! doesn't seem to meet it. Calbaer 22:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Retain - Do Not Delete It is very important in the case of political blogs to be able to find third-party information on the people involved and the history of the blog. If we begin to pick and choose which political blog "qualifies" for a Wikipedia entry, we'd better be very careful about the political philosophies of the people recomending deletion. Why delete the Sadly,No entry and not, say, the Little Green Footballs entry? Where would it stop? Where should it stop? 70.89.67.161 22:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

comment - Then you go to the said blog and click 'about' link. Ego-inflating 'about this blog' cruft can and should be kept local to the blog, and not in wikipedia. And LGF is big enough to be annoying and kept on wikipedia, where as Sadly, no is not. --timecop 22:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

comment - There are notability guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability and WP:WEB. I personally think they're a bit too strict on blogs (versus, say, minor manga characters), but the Sadly, No! article really needs to have some sourcing as to its notability, and, frankly, it needs to be better-written. Right now, the article is poorly written and the blog comes off as some small humor blog that derives its humor and alleged notability off of starting "blog dust-ups" with more well-known blogs. It still might be notable — maybe it's the Ali G of the blogosphere — but, from the entry, I just can't see how. Calbaer 22:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Sadly, No! is a blog fairly frequently linked to by "top tier" blogs like Atrios, and is certainly a moderate-traffic player in the left-wing, um, blogosphere. The article information could use sourcing, and if that means sourcing it to their "About" page, well, that would be a start. Cromis 02:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

comment - An "about" page is not a reliable source. Links to media coverage, awarding organizations, news stories, well-established webpages/blogs, etc. are the kind of things I'd be looking for. (The last of these is not considered by some to establish notability, but I think that a blog being consistently mentioned — not merely linked to — by several top blogs is a pretty good indication of notability.) Calbaer 02:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

comment - Well, yeah, the sourcing is problematic. To me the notability is fairly clear - dozens of links from Atrios over at least 2 years, plenty of links from other sites; if you follow Atrios, you can't help but be familiar with it. It's a B-level political blog, of which there are many, but that doesn't make them all irrelevant or identical, any more than, say, local newspaper columnists. On the other hand, if there's nothing both interesting & verifiably sourced you can say about it, then notability doesn't matter so much. The problem I have is with comments indicating that it's obviously not notable because ... it's a blog? They don't know anything about it? They don't like it? Those aren't grounds for non-notability. Cromis 64.142.81.56 21:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

comment - As for as I can tell, people aren't saying it's not notable because it's a blog, rather that it's a nonnotable blog. Not everyone has to fully explain their opinion on the topic in order to share their judgment. Calbaer 22:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• • Keep - Sadly, No! is a significant blog and deserving of an article. Krakatoa 07:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Timecop, the user who instituted this whole discussion, is waging a self-declared war on blogs; this is not a debate about the merits of this particular blog more than an attempt by an individual to impose his own standards on Wikipedia. Simply look around this site-- there are articles on minor anime characters, yet a blog with its own community and some political relevance (and it should be noted that I don't visit this site particularly often myself) doesn't warrant it's own page? It's completely arbitrary and contradictory. 61.132.71.55
  • Comment - Sadly, your whole comment is a personal attack, is based on a logical fallacy and does not discuss the merits (or lack thereof) of the article in question. In my opinion, the admin that will close this discussion should not consider you vote. - Femmina 10:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment - I don't think it's a personal attack; either timecop is declaring "the war on blogs" or he has an elaborate satire claiming the same. That doesn't mean that Sadly, No! should be kept, but it does mean that we need to be very skeptical about his/her motives and arguments. Calbaer 19:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Datablogging

Datablogging (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable concept. The only google hits are related to the reger.com company which apparaently 'created' this 'thing' and other similar blogspam / wikispam that they have published about it. no thanks. Deletion reason: spam, advertisement, non-notable. timecop 03:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete clearly commercial spam DGG 04:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Deleteblogging this, since it's a non-notable corporate neologism. MER-C 04:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn blog. Eusebeus 14:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - no hint at notablibily on the page. is a page about a blog. - Femmina 20:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This is an advertisement, wikipedia has a strong anti-advertisement policy. Delete this crap.
• Delete as per above. –– 30sman 21:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete - consensus is fairly clear that the mentions in reliable sources are trivial, and getting 3% in an election doesn't give any other grounds for notability. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 02:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jacqueline Mackie Paisley Passey

Jacqueline Mackie Paisley Passey (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Procedural. Deprodded. Concern was notability. - crz crztalk 03:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - non-notable failed election candidate. MER-C 04:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I rather think the most notable aspect of the subject is her blog, one of the entries from it having gained a pretty good amount of attention. Also, her name brings up 121,000 Google hits, which feels like a lot to me. --Maxamegalon2000 06:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Be careful of the Google bias. Most of those google hits are blog entries about her and blog entries about other blog entries about her — no sign of any reliable sources. Demiurge 12:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Be careful yourself of what constitutes a reliable source. A blog post may not be a reliable source for information about Passey, but citing that blog post is a reliable source for the fact that there have been blog posts about her. As WP:BIO states, the definition of "published work" is left deliberately broad, and the literally dozens of bloggers who have published material pertaining to Passey ought to establish notability. VoiceOfReason 19:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Clearly fails WP:BIO & Wikipedia:Candidates and elections. Eusebeus 14:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This person is definitely NN. This article is essentially a defamation of the subject with almost no encyclopedic information. Scienter 14:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep As the author I take some offense at the claim that the article is "essentially a defamation"; as written there was no defamatory intent and I was careful to adhere to WP:NPOV. Other (mostly anonymous) editors added defamatory information, which has been removed. Wikipedia:Candidates and elections is a proposed guideline. As for WP:BIO, it's easy to find multiple non-trivial published works of which she is the subject; if nothing else there have been dozens of commentaries written about the blog post detailed in the "controversy" section. VoiceOfReason 19:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unless reliable sources promised are actually found and cited. Currently no reason to think she'd pass WP:BIO. Change to keep, Toronto Star article covers her pretty thoroughly and establishes notability. Seraphimblade 21:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It seems to me that a blog post shouldn't qualify as a non-trivial published work. It's not exactly a very stringent 'publishing' process. Should I be able to open up a bunch of Blogger accounts and make myself notable? SubSeven 21:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment When the blog posts in question are on blogs like Marginal Revolution and written by folks like Harvard Economist Greg Mankiw, does the fact that publishing is done online necessarily make it trivial?
  • Comment Even if you open a bunch of Blogger accounts, you can't make yourself notable, because you're neither multiple sources nor independent of the subject. If, however, thirty bloggers write articles about you, that is a strong indicator of notability. Of course, bad faith would have to be taken into consideration... but there's certainly more than enough evidence to assume good faith on the part of the bloggers who wrote about Passey and believe that they wrote about her because they thought she was notable. VoiceOfReason 01:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I mean that I'd be posing as thirty different people. There is not really anything to prevent this. And even ignoring those kinds of possiblities, I can't accept a blog post as an indicator of notability. Blogs have absolutely no publishing standards (nor should they). Plenty of bloggers are part of circles of friends that regularly talk about each other's exploits. Certainly a few buddies writing about each other can't make them notable to the world. SubSeven 13:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Response I realize that you'd be posing as thirty people. This again goes to the notability criteria being guidelines... not policies, not laws. If your article is up for deletion and you want to claim that you meet the notability criteria because of your mention on thirty different blogs, people could choose to discount that evidence based on suspicion that those thirty different blogs aren't really "multiple" sources, nor really "independent" of the subject. Are you suggesting that that is the case with the multiple blog mentions of Passey? It seems highly unlikely, considering that 1) most of the published works on blogs regarding Passey are hardly complimentary and 2) many of the published works are on well-known, large blogs, which aren't likely to allow themselves to be used as sockpuppets.

As far as blogs having "no publishing standards"... technically, neither do newspapers nor magazines nor any other media outlets. Anybody is free to publish whatever he wants. I can start my own newspaper and put whatever the heck I want in it; it's a free country. But respected blogs, just like respected mainstream media outlets, make an effort not to publish works on non-notable subjects.

Certainly a few buddies writing about each other doesn't establish notability. But just as certainly, a person who is the subject of articles on Kos, Huffington, Malkin, and Powerline is most likely notable, regardless of whether the New York Times deigns to take notice. Discarding blogs entirely as an indicator of notability makes no more sense than automatically accepting any mention on any blog as an indicator of notability. But even so, WP:BIO as it is written today certainly includes blogs; it explicitly excludes other things but not blogs, and it specifically emphasizes that the definition of "published work" is left extremely broad. If you want, you can argue that Passey is not notable, and you can argue that the cited works do not prove notability. But you can't legitimately argue that she doesn't meet the guideline WP:BIO, because she plainly does. VoiceOfReason 19:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• keep Notable jackass. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DGG (talk • contribs) .
• Comment - I realize that I'm not disinterested, having invested the time to actually write this article, but I think too many people are kneejerking on WP:BIO. In the first place, WP:BIO is a guideline, not a policy. That an article fails a notability guideline would be a reason to consider the article's merit, not an ironclad mandate to delete. Quoting from WP:BIO itself:

This is not intended to be an exclusionary list; just because someone doesn't fall into one of these categories doesn't mean an article on the person should automatically be deleted.

(boldface in original)

In the second place, Passey meets WP:BIO besides. The very first criterion for notability:

• The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person.

Okay, so what's a published work? The guideline continues:

• This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, scholarly papers, and television documentaries (2) except for the following: (two criteria which do not apply to Passey).

(2): What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad.

A blog post is surely a published work in some form. And several of the blogs which published articles on Passey are big, well-known blogs with massive readership. Heck, some probably attract more eyeballs than most major newspapers.

Maybe blog posts should be specifically excluded from the category of "published works" in WP:BIO. But as of now, they're not. Passey meets the notability guidelines spelled out in WP:BIO and this article should not be deleted.

I'll add that this article has been the target of repeated vandalism, mostly by anonymous IPs. I'll keep an eye on it and prevent it from happening again. VoiceOfReason 01:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I've added some stuff with newspaper citations, though I couldn't find anything for the controversy section. --Maxamegalon2000 04:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Excellent additions, which make clear the subject meets WP:BIO even if you don't count blogs as published works. VoiceOfReason 06:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment can you tell us how substantial those newspaper articles are? Do they just mention her name in passing, or are they entirely about JMMP? The headlines don't mention her anyway. I found the Seattle Times article [16], in my opinion it doesn't really count as a substantial reference, because it's primarily not about her — she only gets a few paragraphs. Demiurge 09:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Neither article is entirely about her, no. But she gets a couple of paragraphs, and the quotes I added. Basically she's given as one of a couple of examples of people with notable blogs. The Seattle Times article is about how blogs can affect politics, and the Toronto Star article is about using blogs to start relationships. She's cited in both as an example of the point about blgos that the article is trying to make. --Maxamegalon2000 15:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - When your only slight claim to fame is the fallout from a hissy fit on your blog, you really aren't important when it comes right down to brass tacks.Chris Buckey 06:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Sorry, could you cite the bit about being "really important" when it comes "right down to brass tacks" in WP:BIO or any other guideline or policy? VoiceOfReason 06:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Umm, the bit that says, "The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person." I really don't think blog entries making fun of someone's declaration of quality count as "non-trivial". Chris Buckey 18:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment From WP:BIO: "Non-triviality is a measure of the depth of content of a published work, and how far removed that content is from a simple directory entry or a mention in passing that does not discuss the subject in detail." It specifically draws the examples of a birth certificate or a single ballot line as trivia. Other examples of trivia: "newspaper articles that just mention the person in passing, telephone directory listings, or simple records of births and deaths." Published works focused primarily on the subject are not trivial, even if they take the form of blog posts. Even if you disagree, do you think the Toronto Star and Seattle Times are also trivial publications? VoiceOfReason 00:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment Why do you care so much about this? Chris Buckey 05:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Comment Because I put forth the effort to write this. I'd have no problem seeing it deleted if it really did fail the notability guidelines, but it doesn't. VoiceOfReason 21:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The citations I added alone make me feel like this one just squeaks by, but I think the Google hits and all of the other blogs that mention her count for something. Maxamegalon2000 15:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I have a syllogism to contribute: 1. I have never had lunch with a notable person. 2. I have had lunch with Jacqueline Passey. 3. Jacqueline Passey is not a notable person. The deletion debate here should center on the major premise of my syllogism, although I suppose we could discuss the minor premise as well :) Philwelch 04:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Borderline because of media mentions, but coverage seems pretty trivial to me. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 06:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notability established by media article / political run. Makgraf 01:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable Bgeer 01:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete - Yomangani^talk 12:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laptopical

Non-notable blog/self-advertisement. Not helping you increase your pagerank with wikipedia. timecop 03:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, the USA Today reference is trivial and we can't make an article out of it. The "Cool site of the day" award is handed out 365 times a year, so it's not exactly exclusive. Demiurge 12:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete fails WP:NOTE. Tulkolahten 12:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn blog, fails WP:WEB. Eusebeus 14:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - nn. advertising. fail. - Femmina 20:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep In my opinion the argument for deletion is spurious, this site is listed in the print edition of Dan Gookin's Laptops for Dummies. Also a cool site of the day award that has only been handed out a few thousand times with hundreds of millions of sites on the web - not exactly exclusive? The site has also been featured by T.H.E. Journal and by the Guardian newspaper in the uk, a popular broadsheet read by millions daily which I'm familiar with. And by all accounts it's also been listed by the USA today editorial team. Any doubts as to the quality of Laptopical's content should reference this article about Apple pioneer Jef Raskin This article needs expansion, not deletion. - Linuxaurus 16:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

— Linuxaurus (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Tulkolahten 10:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The quality of the article should be improved, but it should not be deleted. Wehe 05:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

— Wehe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Tulkolahten 10:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• Two voters above have very few contributions. Wehe has been reborn on 16 November 2006 with first contribution after a months then followed by two contributions (one of them this one). User Linuxaurus was born on 29 November and voted in various Deletion debates only. I suspect Linuxaurus for being sockpuppet or single purpose account, I do not believe these two votes are in good faith. Tulkolahten 10:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 20:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CURURU

CURURU (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Irrelevant regional blog hosting service. There's already a mention of it on japanese wikipedia, no sense to have a non-english blog host service listed HERE either. Its also non-notable due to the fact that its just a blog hosting service. timecop 03:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - no assertion of notability. So tagged. MER-C 04:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • It has an Alexa rank of 4000, [17] so I'd rather get more input first. --04:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Tiifm 06:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - No valid deletion reason has been provided yet. "CURURU is a major . . ." asserts notability. Mention on one language's transwiki does not preclude it from being mentioned on any other, and should probably increase the article's merit, as people who are more familiar about the relative prominence of the site (ie, Japanese people) would not simply dismiss the article out of hand. Neier 07:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. If it's notable enough to be on the Japanese Wikipedia, it can be here too. Especially with such an Alexa rank. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - advertising. hosts blogs, which are non-notable by definition. page is full of strange symbols. - Femmina 20:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment without vote - article is six months obsolete. B.Wind 23:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete unsure on notability. Just H 23:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- Wikipedia is not an internet directory. Reyk _YO! 10:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was unfortunately, no consensus. --Coredesat 07:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gladys the Swiss Dairy Cow (2 nomination)

Gladys the Swiss Dairy Cow (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

2nd nom. Unimaginable WP:COI [18] by an Single-purpose account. We cannot reward this. This is a trivial, trivial cow, she don't have a shred of notability outside a very small area. Say no to cow-promotion! - crz crztalk 03:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

(1st AfD for Gladys the swiss Dairy Cow ending November 16, 2006) --Oakshade 05:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Note that the first AfD was speedily kept out of process, so this 2nd nomination is perfectly legitimate. ~ trialsanderrors 21:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• I would suggest a redirect to CowParade, and add this cow to the cow list on that article. Tubezone 04:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note - Featured in MSM here although I wonder if the fact that the Cow has an entry in Wikipedia itself means anything -- Tawker 04:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Odd Christmas decorations are not notable even if they are written about in a local newspaper. This is nothing more than self promotion on the part of the author. If I dress my garden gnome up and the local newspaper notices, that doesn't make it notable. pschemp | talk 04:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment If not made clear by the nom and previous comments, the owner of Gladys (Jim Lebinski) is the one who is the main contributor to the wiki article (User:James.lebinski), as evidenced by the recent news article. The wiki article has existed for less than 3 weeks. It survived the previous AfD after the author was encouraged to make it more encyclopedic, but as a result the article is now bogged down in minutiae. Katr67 04:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete In light of my previous comment, and per the nom, although I have a soft spot for plastic cows, the mention of the Wikipedia article in the local paper makes me agree this is a serious conflict of interest. Katr67 04:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Looking at the first AFD I'm wondering if people realize that verifiability is not actually a criteria for keeping an article. Lots of non-notable things can be verified but that doesn't make them worth of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Its got to be notable first. pschemp | talk 04:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 04:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - "Strong" because the 1st AfD, which was decidedly "Keep," ended on November 16th and this is way too short of time to elapse for a 2nd nomination. Regular keep because WP:Verification is established. Interesting/Trivial items are allowed. The coverage is not trivial (i.e. not a directory listing, a mention or store hours), even though the subject is. --Oakshade 05:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Additional comment regarding the nom's added comment of this article being created by a SPA - First of all, OH REALLY? Thanks for the news, Woodward or Bernstien! Secondly, I've read WP:SPA and I really can't find any WP policy that prohibits or even dissuades members from solely creating and then focusing on one article. It even states, "There is, of course, nothing wrong with single purpose accounts." --Oakshade 05:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Right. Verifyability in and of itself is *not* a reason to keep an article. Just because a reporter writes an article that verifies your buttocks are hairy and do indeed exist does not make them worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. Trivial subject = not notable. "The opposite exists also: things that are interesting without being really important. For example, the Guinness Book of World Records contains, apart from many world records that are "important", several "trivia" world records. So wikipedia will not mention each and every "world record" that is interesting, but only those that are also important." How is this cow important? Don't forget the conflict of interest either, or do you think that's a good thing? pschemp | talk 05:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Like I said, agree it's WP:TRIVIA and you seem to agree it's verfied (thanks for the WP:UNCIVIL reference to my buttucks). For conflict of interest, at least five non-creator non-anon editors worked on this article since it's creation a few weeks ago. Now that that's said, pschemp, keep it civil --Oakshade 05:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • That was a generic your. Nothing to do with your personal buttocks. Simply an example to point out ridiculousness. It wasn't uncivil at all. If I had meant it to be uncivil I would have said something like, "Now lets take the example of Oakshade's hairy ass...but I didn't because that would be uncivil. pschemp | talk 06:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Trivial subject is not the same as not notable. They can be. What you should've said was Trivial subject != notable (Trivial subject does not equal notable). - Mgm|^(talk) 10:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep It doesn't appear to me as if anything about the article's changed. That leaves the COI issue. COI is not necessarily a reason for deletion, though. Verifiability, NPOV/encyclopedic tone, and "no original research" are all met. The article could probably use some cleanup, but that's also not a reason for deletion. That leaves self-promotion. I notice that the author of the article the nominator of this AfD cited is also the author of one of the article's sources, though, and that that earlier article was written in 2003, meaning this author knew of the piece and its artist long before the article existed. It seems possible to me that Mr. Spinelli took an interest on his own, so I'm inclined to give benefit of the doubt in this case. I also think it's a bit soon to renominate the article, but I suppose the new information is a decent reason. Shimeru 06:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Well researched, well documented article on a road side folk art attraction. New Jersey has its Lucy the Elephant and there is Elsie the Cow, an ad campaign. I disagree that triviality is equal to non-notability. The "hairy ass" analogy doesn't fit. There is no more information beyond the single sentence about a "hairy ass" but this article is more than a single sentence. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• KEep if only because if you can't wait at least a month before resubmitting an AfD, I can't believe you are making this proposal fairly. FrozenPurpleCube 06:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Bzzt. That's not a valid reason to keep. Besides, it was nominated by a different person. No one here has yet proven this cow is notable in the wider world. pschemp | talk 06:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually, it is a valid reason to keep, since you'll see people remove nominations all the time upon realizing that the situation has been recently discussed. Furthermeore, that it is a different person is also irrelevent, since in this case, there's no apparent ignorance of the prior deletion issue. Ergo, I stand by my keep. FrozenPurpleCube 15:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- while this renomination appears to come from another editor, the arguments remain the same -- verifiability and notability. It appears, now, to be verified; notability is not something that happens overnight. If this nomination were six months after the "keep", I could understand and accept that it failed. Two or three weeks does not, of itself, give the opportunity for the Outside World to declare its interest. If the decision is to delete, then I reiterate my earlier suggestion, that the text be ported to the author's User-page, so that it can be archived, rather than being dematierialised without warning. -- Simon Cursitor 08:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Aside from notability and verifiability, does it bother anyone else that the cow's owner wrote a Wikipedia article about said cow, and was then featured in a seasonal newspaper article (which was to be expected as the cow has some local notability) where he said "Just look up Gladys the Swiss Dairy Cow" on Wikipedia? I don't think Wikipedia has to take itself so seriously that we can't include a little regional folk art here and there, but I feel like we are being used for self-promotion. As far as I can tell, the only reason Gladys will become notable is because she has an article on WP. Isn't that some sort of logical fallacy or circular-something-or-other, possibly phrased in Latin? :) I think the cow keeper means well, but the promotion angle bothers me a lot. As the nom said, we're not here to promote cows. Katr67 08:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • All but one of the outside articles written about his subject came before this article was created. As Wikipeidia is not a crystal ball, I don't think anyone, including the original author, could've predicted another outside article written on this subject and that it would include info about the WP entry. The reporter of the recent article actually wrote about this subject before in April. As always, we assume good faith of not only the editors, but even the reporters of the reliable sources. --Oakshade 16:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• AUTHOR ABSTAINS Morning Katr67 - I can understand how you might feel that there is a COI in my having referenced the article, however, there is nothing further from the truth. there is no commerical interest for me in this art, it is not connected to any business venture, and there is no value in self-promotion here, other than shating the information itself.

  The only reason I commented on the article was to note its existence ion anticipation of the significant public interest that a front page article generates. You'uu note that I said "you can find the history of the artwork on wikipedia" - which is a perfectly legitimate thing to say wihout even a hint of a COI - a refernce to a reliable source of veruified information on a notable piece of art, not a commercial shill.

  One other idea - shouldn't the fifth fromt ( yet another....) page article in a huge newspaper be enought to pass notability?

  Final thought - I've revealed my identity through my sign in name - had I something to hide or a COI - I could have selected a pseudonym and none of the previous comments would even be possible. There is no COI and nothing to hide.

  BTW - Tony Spinelli from the post did in fact aggressively pursue the article - he pursued me for it, which means it passed the review of his editors and the rest of the publishers at the post.

  This is more than a christmas display guys - I'll edit the details to better conform today.

  —Preceding unsigned comment added by James.lebinski (talk • contribs) 2006-11-28 12:52:49

• Conditional Keep, notable art is not only displayed in museums. If the article can be cleaned up to relevant parts it should be kept. Rough 14:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I agree that notable art can be found outside of museums. It's also worth recalling that non-notable art can also be found outside of museums, and it may in fact have found, in this, its poster child. Eusebeus 14:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Type until you are blue in the face, the subject of this article is not notable. One local newspaper does not a famous cow make. Scienter 14:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Scienter's Argument is legitimate, but factually inaccurate - therefore potentially invalid

  Media coverage for this work of art includes:

  The Connecticut Post ( more than five times - including 3 front page placements)

  The Fairfield Citizen ( three times, including one fronty page placement

  The Monroe Courier ( 1X)

  Cablevision channel 12 news

  Part of Scienter's arcument is based on the trivial nature of The Connecticut Post. is the largest circulating paper in South Western CT - and as such doesn't meet the "local" mnimization offered.

  The very nature of this coverage - mutliple reporters, multiple years, multiple photographers defies the "non-notability argument" —Preceding unsigned comment added by James.lebinski (talk • contribs) 2006-11-28 14:47:02

  • I'm still waiting for evidence that this cow is notable *outside* its home region. Why should the rest of the world care? I don't see *any*. pschemp | talk 16:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • You are conflating notability and planetwide fame. Notability is not fame nor importance. Uncle G 19:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • There are hundreds of notable art pieces that have only a regional importance, take for example the sculpture Dying Mother with Child, one of Hoetgers key works ... Outside Darmstadt, Germany only specialists know it. Rough 19:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
        • You are conflating notability and importance. Notability is not fame nor importance. Uncle G 15:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • You were right on one point: more than one media outlet has "covered" this fake cow statute. I'm not going to engage in an argument on whether or not the Connecticut Post is a local media outlet, especially since we appear to be on the same page. If some choose to consider South Western CT as a large enough coverage area to be considered a national or even regional outlet, so be it. I don't think this articifial cow, covered in different types of paint can possibly be considered "notable." Stretch, twist, and bend the definition of notability until it snaps, at the end of the day the inclusion of the cow article won't break Wikipedia, inclusion just calls the legitimacy of WP into question. I understand how this would seem notable to someone living in the area perhaps.Scienter 18:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think this articifial cow, covered in different types of paint can possibly be considered "notable." — You are making a subjective judgement, not applying notability criteria. Notability is not subjective. You've had several sources cited. The only proper counterargument is to challenge any of those sources that are autobiographical, that are not in fact in-depth articles about the subject at hand, or that have not been fact checked. Your personal subjective estimations of notability are not valid couterarguments. Uncle G 19:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Interesting concept of a "notability threshold by distance/global scale of notability" - From what I read that notion really isn't supported in wiki policy - seems like the consensus is that the notability test already is passed - multiple non trivial mentions exist, and wiki policy doesn't to my knowlegde address a minimum grographic scale of impact. Can you provide a reference to policy guidance that says "how" notable something must be by geographic disstance? If not, I'd suggest that you defer to the consensus on the apparently resolved notability issue.--James.lebinski 17:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This was a close one for me. I am concerned by the potential self-promotion, particularly that I understand that the author of the article is also the artist painting the cow. Additionally, there are, what, hundreds of these plastic cows? (There's one in the University of Chicago Law School cafeteria, for example.) I don't see how this particular plastic cow is more notable than all the other cows. On the other hand there is media coverage - but media coverage of a plastic cow is still...you know, media coverage of a plastic cow. Still, I'm not a fan of a new AfD right after the old one closed - though the old one was pretty "messy," for lack of a better word, so I maybe can see some justification there. On balance it's probably the WP:Auto concerns that swing my vote. Cute cow, though. Oh, and please remember to sign your posts. --TheOtherBob 16:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Every artist has to self promote himself, else they just cease to be notable. Therefore our measure of notability is not the degree of self-promotion but the sources referenced. If there are sources that call it art we have to note that and if sources call it notable we also have to take that into account. If we go after our impressions we should not try to make a encyclopedia. Rough 19:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Sure, just as every company needs to advertise - but not on Wikipedia. I don't at all mind that the artist self-promotes in the media (I'd think he was crazy if he didn't), nor does it matter how much they self-promote. It's self-promotion through Wikipedia that concerns me. A large part of that is the belief that if something is notable, someone not connected with it will eventually write an article about it - and vice versa.--TheOtherBob 20:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Got your point, and I agree that it is bad style to write about one's own work... but does not reduce notability - if the subject is notable and sorry to say, noted art is always notable ... no matter who notes Rough 21:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Thanks Bob -The POV of the article is on the work, which is the one and only subject of this article. The article itself makes no mention of the artist. The published articles do identify the creator, but that's a byproduct.

  You might be surprised to note that each of the cow parade cows to which you refer are indiviudually notable works of art by other reputable artitsts - selling in some cases for hundreds of thousands at charity auctions.

  This work has noting to do with the cow parade, which makes it especially unique, and when coupled with the ongoing nature of the piece, it becomes especially notable.

  The notability issue appears to have at least some consensus leaning towards "notable". Perhaps the number of people aware of the sculpoture who are currently arguiing its notability may be a proof point in itself.

  The COI piece is open for debate - but per Wiki policy ( I think) is not a reason for deletion in and of itself = especially in the very grey area of communicating facts about a notable work that has no commercial or other finnancial links.--James.lebinski 17:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I take your point about the artist not being mentioned in the article. However, I think that is exactly backwards and points out the WP:Auto problem. An article about a piece of art should mention the artist. But this article has a hard time discussing the artist, because it's written by the artist - that's where WP:COI comes into play. Is WP:COI a reason to delete? No - but it's a strong argument against notability, and that's why I'm on the deletion side. --TheOtherBob 17:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• I'm not sure I understand what a single purpose account is my friend? Are you stating that my contribution is limited to this article - if so that is inaccurate. I have authored another wholly unrelated article on IT, and have begun to create wildlilfe related content to add to the American Woodcock, Ring Necked Duck, and Green Winged Teal articles, specifically regarding their flight behaviors

  I think your edit may have been made because ( as a new user) I received come advice to add this a copy of this article to my user page as a protection against deletion and followed some cut and paste instructions provived by another wiki-zen

  Would you please take one of the follwing two actions:

  1) Educate me further on the SPA ? or how to fix my user page

  OR

  2) Withdraw the comment —Preceding unsigned comment added by James.lebinski (talk • contribs) 2006-11-28 17:44:33

• Delete per my Barry Bonds rule of Hall of Fame worthiness. If A = actual ability and D = performance improvement through deception then A + D = observed performance, but A − D = yardstick for Hof worthiness. This one is Mario Mendoza on 'roids. ~ trialsanderrors 19:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If you are implying that there has some deception in the sources or content the state your case plainly and lets debate that further. Othewise I think that the use of the term approaches WP:UNCIVIL in what has been a pretty civil fact based policy/opinion discussion (prevous personal grooming references aside). Otherwise, could you clarify because I just don't get the sports metaphors.--James.lebinski 19:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • WP:COI, WP:NPOV#Undue weight, WP:NOT a picture gallery, etc. The simple test is, was the article created to improve Wikipedia or was Wikipedia used to increase exposure for the subject. With the scraps of coverage provided as sources this is a clear-cut case. ~ trialsanderrors 21:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Great debate trials. I wonder about your definitions however. Assuming we're not debating the veracity of the coverage - What exactly is a scrap of coverage? How many more media mentions are necessary over what time period to assume substance in your definition? How many more individuals must view the work or the published reviews? On the surface your characterization could be seen as terribly subjective.

      From an obhective measure - the exposure of this art will not substantially increase with wikipedia listing - only the encyclopedic documentation of it will- which does improve wikipedia - bedause its virtual nature is the very thing that allows this breadth of topic to be covered in way not possible in paper based media (ok thats an opinion) . However, in this case, more than three years of pre-wiki notability, almost a dozen articles in three pubklications by more than five individual journalists, TV coverage, and award winning appearances appear to factually contradict your characterization.

      I've read the POV/weight reference and find no policy based merit in citing that - what specific language did you intenbd to apply? I beleive all published points of view are readily presented.--James.lebinski 21:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

      • This is how far it has gone: Gladys now has a listing on Wikipedia, the Web-based encyclopedia that can be edited by anyone who can view the site. "If you look Gladys up on Wikipedia, you'll see a picture of her in every outfit she's ever worn," Lebinski said of his main cow. Nothing more to say here. ~ trialsanderrors 23:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • • Of course there is more to say trials. Quotes are often paraphrases, but this one is in fact accurate. There is an article on Wikipedia ( for the time being anyhow) it comprehensively documents the history of the work, and the existense of this article was notable to the reporter covering the item. Kind of a mirror in a mirror problem isn't it. The wikipedia article exists, it is mentioned as such and persons interested in a more detailed encyclopedic review of the subject can locate such content. Perceiving COI is at least understandable even though none exists, but regardless of that point policy and other commenst have already established that COI is not in itself a criteria for deletion.

• Keep This folk art or performance art work has demonstrated notability by virtue of numerous newspaper articles and TV coverage over a 3 year period. Its notability is better established than the vast majority of pop culture subjects which have Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia editors are absolutely not the final arbiters of what is or is not art: for them to give their opinion of the work is original research per se.Do the self proclaimed art experts also want to delete Christo and Jeanne-Claude because a structure with fabric wrapped around it is not art? The article cites multiple independent reliable and verifiable sources as to the notability of the work. Edison 19:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep again. We just went through this. It is locally notable and of small encyclopedic value. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 20:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - not notable. Also mostly WP:OR. Resons to keep are unfounded, just because something is verified then it by no means follows that we should include it. --T-rex 21:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• strong keep as per Edison. Don't keep only the popular culture genres you are familiar with. DGG 22:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, unlikely as it may seem, it's sourced and apparently received press. Seraphimblade 22:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Very close call here. It is well sourced (albeit that all links seem to be to the same source), and it seems to be notable on the local level (WP:LOCAL), but I hesitate to endorse a keep for a handful of troubling reasons.

1. This article is practically orphaned. Take away the user pages and the links related to deletion, and that would leave one disambiguation article (Gladys) and one redirect (Gladys the swiss Dairy Cow). As is often mentioned around here, orphan articles are usually orphaned for a reason.
2. Not only does the article exhibit a WP:COI for the author, it is promotional in nature. There is not one word about reaction or reception of the "performance art" at any of the venues that were mentioned in the article (except for one "honorable mention") - this almost is written in a journalistic diary style and not in the style of an encyclopedia (it is almost written from the viewpoint of the cow). Thus it is not a stretch of imagination to call the article an advert for Gladys.
3. There are far too many pictures in the "article" - Wikipedia is not your own private photo host... and regardless of the outcome of the AfD, the Photo Gallery must be removed.
4. I am also leery of one local newspaper "supplying" all of the references for this supposedly-significant piece of art (the last "reference," the Monroe Courier article makes no mention of it whatsoever). I would put it on a par with a local newspaper mentioning a particular family having a six-toed cat that plays table tennis... unless there is an independent source demonstrating more than the ability of getting a little promotion in a single local newspaper, I feel compelled to urge delete as a NN advertisement. B.Wind 23:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Well done.

I'm new to wiki so perhaps others can enlighten me on the importance of the orphan scenario.

Two mentions of the reaction exist - in the form of two awards in consecutive years, not just one. One was 'best appearing float" the other honorable mention

I'm hard pressed to see how the content or tone is promotional. Ask yourself :If I wasn;t honest enough to identify myself as the primary contributor would you feel the same way. I argue that the historical narrative of the work is unbiased. Style help would be graetfully received as edits though.

The sources referenced contain plenty of verifiable quotes on the reation to the art. Perhaps another editor would like to dig up the news articles to add those to the article????????? Maybe that would even be a way out of the COI jeopardy ( which we've established is not a reason for delietion I think?)

I think one picture per work is about right to present the image, glad to have other editors delete those that are unwotrhy. Question If picasso painted cows, which of subset his works would you propose wasn't worthy of a picture in wikipedia ( ok that's just stupid - but my point is valid nonetheless)???

I've added another reference from two more newspapers ( I could use some help formatting, and I still need to dig up the photo credit/author from the courier) in the refernces section - so I'll ask a similar question to the one before just what number of published references are needed and from how many sources?

You may wish to re-red the courier article - the presence of the art at a charity benefit haunted house is mentioned. I'll grant you thatis is a brief mention.

Lastly - from what authoritative source are you attributing the label "local" to the Post?--James.lebinski 12:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Remember Some people were born to paint cows, others have cow painting thrust upon them--James.lebinski 00:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that you are not remotly comparable to picasso. This is a painted cow, and "a charity benefit haunted house" is a sign of non-notablity if there ever was one --T-rex 03:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• • T-rex, My apologies in advance.

You've done well to paraphrase my self deprecating humor for the layman. When I wrote "Ok that's just stupid" after the picasso comment a lot of ordinary people wouldn't have gotten the joke.

Now onto the ntability topic. As Uncle G writes, notabiilty dioes not lie within the realm of opinion, youir, mine or anyones. This article clearly passes each of the notablity standards set in the policy and as such, your challenge to notability must be a depate of the policy and the facts here. My argument remains that this meets the definition of notability. Your job must now be to offer affirmative proof that it does not.

On two side notes

1) That charity benefit was attended by more than 2000 individuals ver three days, generating more than a on of non-perishable foods for a shelter. It's been going on for years and also has multiple media refernces - Someone mught just want to write a wiki on that as well, because iot arguably passes the wiki notability test too.

If you were truly born to delete cows you better hurry, because I just got an e-mail from a national publication seeking to follow up on Gladys. Soon the magic number of references from reliable sources will be even more overwhelming. --James.lebinski 12:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Picasso didn't do what you do because Picasso was a notable artist. You are neither noteable nor an artist. --Descendall 03:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that you are once again confusing verifiability with notability. I have appeared in local newspapers. I've also been on Fox News and National Public Radio. My existence is completely verifiable. However, I'm simply not notable. Neither is your lawn ornament. Don't construct a straw man here: no one doubts the existence of this plastic cow. It simply does not belong in an encyclopedia. --Descendall 04:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• There's enough information that meets our content policies here, so the information should be kept. Either keep and cleanup (e.g. we really don't need that many photographs) or pare down a bit and merge with Fairfield, Connecticut; either of those outcomes is fine with me. P.S. The references list three different newspapers, not just one. JYolkowski // talk 00:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I have a garden gnome. I'm sure I can do something extraordinary to it and get it featured in a local newspaper. Don't let Wikipedia be abused for marketing in this way, I beg of you! Samsara (talk • contribs) 03:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Samsara,

You may wish to see the previous debate on the "local" reference to the publication, as well as to note that there are many articles, and many publications over many years. Perhaps then you could offer facts to supoprt the "local" opinion.

You may also with to review uncle g's treatise on notability.

Further, the fact that you agree that this is extraordonary art is counter to your argument, and the fact that your nome is not yet notable is one indicator that said condition is not a given.

Finally, (and especially since yo must assume good faith per wiki policy) just what do you think is being marketed here?--James.lebinski 12:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no proof you can give that you won't be turning Ms Gladys into money in the longer term. Then we'll all be waking up to the fact that you used that Wikipedia entry to gain coverage in the local press, and the local press articles to cement the status of notability in Wikipedia. Where did I say it was art? I'd appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. And feel free to assume bad faith, I don't mind. But no, I don't think it's art. Just because my garden shed is painted, doesn't make it art. And my gnome is not notable because I haven't tried to promote it. Because I don't care. About the contents of Wikipedia, I do care. Finally, I don't share your sense of worship for Uncle G and prefer to use my own judgement. The purpose of AfDs is not that one person puts forth a notion and the rest follow like sheep. The purpose is to get a variety of opinions and find a consensus. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • Sorry you are too late to have original garden gnome art, there was a group in Northern France called The Garden Gnome Liberation Army who- besides kidnapping gnomes out of gardens camouflaged them, I think after them all garden gnome art is trivial (smirk) Rough 14:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Wonderful Samasa!

Lets examine the discusuon thread a bit further, but I'd prefer to stay within a fact/policy based disciussion - which can reduce the level of emoition involned. Aplogies for any ruffled feathers to date.

1) Can you support your claim that The Post is "local" and implication that therefore the coverage was insignificant

Here's my fact based argument from http://www.medianewsgroup.com/mngi/newsgroups/connpost.html

"The Connecticut Post is located in Bridgeport, Connecticut, and publishes a morning newspaper seven days a week and is distributed primarily in Fairfield County, the most affluent county in the United States. The Connecticut Post also publishes the Westport News, Fairfield Citizen-News, Darien New-Review, and the Norwalk Citizen-News, weekly newspapers, known as the Brooks Newspaper Group, distributed in Fairfield County and surrounding areas.

Daily Circulation: 77,469 Sunday Circulation: 89,306"

Fact: More thah 75 thousand people at a time have seen this art and articles aboiut it on the front page of this periodical ( and others) in several articles over many years

2) The good faith policy reference was to my contribution, not your dissent. I already assume your good faith in challenging this contribution, and I respect it - oitherwise I'd be crazy to spend such energy refuting it, and I may just be crazy anyhow. In short, I think that according to wiki-policy you must assume my good faith in making this contributiion, and therefor not consider what you think might happen in the future. On the top of that presumption you have my testimony in this AFD that I am actying in good faithe with significant content to back that up.

3) The facts do not support your argument that the wikipedia article is used to draw media attention. All but one of the published references were months or years before the creation of the enty. The press had noticed the topic long before this content was wiki-d. The order of events goes new and media coverage ( and lots of it) then wiki article. Not the reverse.

4) I accept that you do not consider this art and apologize for implying that you did. we now have agreement on a point that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and not a criteria for deletion in any event. Personal opinions just don't count per policy though. Compliance with notability does.

5) Uncle G's well wrtitten comments ( ok thats opinion) that accurately portray notability (ditto) was the reference here, not the contributor. His position, per wiki policy is that the subject passes notability - again I invite you to present a fact based counter argument that combinbes your judgement with wiki-policy.

Have a wiki-day!--James.lebinski 15:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I accept that you do not consider this art and apologize for implying that you did. we now have agreement on a point that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, and not a criteria for deletion in any event. I thought it was all important a moment ago. Your views change very quickly. Maybe they will change to conclude that this article merits deletion. I invite you to present a fact based counter argument. Non-notability has no references. [19] Finally, as has been mentioned before, this article uses the Wikipedia article to establish notability. I hope the circularity of this has occurred to you. Have a nice day. "Samasa" (talk • contribs) 01:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • Well done Samsara. A perfectly excuted Esquive, but your are in line for the factual version of a Carton noir, especially for returning the favor of putting words in my mouth.

To the fact-cave yet again...the other bobs advice notwithstanding......

A fact based counter argument is as follows:

The language reads exactly as pasted. However, the notabiilty point was not conceded, nor did the position change. Read a bit more carefully, the senstence means that anyones subjective agreement that this work can be called art is simultaneously a subject of disagrement, which can never be resolved ( de gustibus) and most importantly a topic of irrelevance to the AFD. The fact is, whether you or I think this is art is of no consequence to the discussion nor is it a reason to delete per wiki policy. That viewpoint has not changed one bit.

To be honest, You've stumped me on the second part. I followed the link and still have no idea what your non-notabilty refernce is, but if you'll explain in non-wiki magic links, I'll try to answer.

Finally, You are factually correct in that a single, and most recent of more than 7 properly referenced non-trivial independent news articles contains a quote from me that mentions the existence of the wiki-article. If you follow the date math it goes like this: First comes more than 6 notable referemces, then a wiki-article, then yet another news article in which the wiki-article was mentioned as a minor point. The genesis of the most recent news article was not the wiki-article - you'll find date-stamped proof of the pre-existing intent of the reporter to cover the story in the first AFD. The cause was instead the previous notability of the work from three years of coverage, more directly it was a follow up to the "moving" piece six months later. Moreover even if you stike that article from the record - the notability test is still passed. Add in the good faith policy, coupled with the fact that others tell me coi ( however unfounded) is not a reason for deletion and there is no case. Again, Notability was met years before the publication of the most recent article.

Sorry about the typo on your ID - thats merely my fingers betraying me. Have a Phrases d'armes & wiki night!--James.lebinski 02:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

.

• Speedy keep for procedural reasons. Bless us father, for we have sinned: it has been less than one month since the last AfD for this article. --Dennisthe2 04:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment Actually, it was not properly closed the first time. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 17:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete nothing new to add. TheRingess 05:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep for reasons outlined in the first AfD. Also, nominator is using faulty logic - there can't be a COI because cows can't type.For the humor-impaired, that's a joke, but still keep. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • How the hell is that book a redlink? --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Jeff, honestly. I think if you're going to be joking, you should mark it as a comment, not a strong keep vote. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • The second part about cows and their inability to type is a joke. The strong keep remains - the first AfD covered it just fine, the media coverage more than warrants inclusion. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Meta Comment This debate is going pretty well, but I would encourage the author / cow-owner to avoid treating the article as something that he owns. That's probably coming up as a problem here because of the conflict of interest concerns that we've already gone over. But remember that we're all here to discuss - and some people (ok, me) find it mildly problematic when one person responds to and challenges every comment they disagree with. It's tempting, and hard to avoid when you feel like it's your article (or your cow) being talked about - but it really does (a) make it look like you're taking ownership, and (b) discourage discussion. Just a suggestion - and like all suggestions it may be, well, you know, cow-poop - so feel free to take or leave it.--TheOtherBob 15:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Media coverage in and of itself does not make something notable, only verifiable. Everything written about in a local paper is *not* inherently notable because it appeared there. I'm still waiting for someone to lay out clearly why this thing is notable. Can anyone give an arguement other than "because it was in the local paper?" pschemp | talk 17:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If media coverage is the barometer put forth by all of our notability guidelines, and media coverage isn't the barometer you would like to use regarding the notability of this subject, what do you propose instead? --badlydrawnjeff talk 17:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Media coverage is only an indicator, an adjunct in determining notability, but it isn't the *only* thing that confers notability on a topic. So far, it has been the *only* argument for notability. That isn't enough to prove notability. There's an article in my local paper today about a local plumber who helps old people with plumbing problems. He is verified, but being mentioned by the press alone does not make him notable. What actually makes this cow notable? (and more than *just* verified - no one is arguing that the cow isn't verified.) Verification is only one part of notability. It isn't the whole story. pschemp | talk 20:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Since we're getting reverse-WP:POKEMON about a local plumber, if he had "multiple" published works about him, like this cow has, then there would be an argument for an article for him. --Oakshade 20:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
        • I see your reverse-Pokemon, and raise you a Chewbacca. :-P Seriously, though - it's worth exploring whether notability should be the same for "human interest stories" (for lack of a better word). But I think that's a discussion for another time and place--TheOtherBob 22:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • This one is pretty academic PSchemp, and I believe that you are incorrect. The primary notability policy is explicit, and im my opinion is contrary to your assertion, applying the policy to the coverage of this topic is exactly the thing that has objectively determined notability:

For the record:

...a topic is notable if it has been been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself. CHECK

What constitutes "published works" is intentionally broad and includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, published reports by consumer watchdog organizations and government agencies. Many Newspapaer Articles in differemt papers - Check

The independence qualification excludes all self-publicity, advertising by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, and other such works directly from the subject, its creators, its authors, or its inventors (as applicable). Many Authors/Reporters/Photographers, All from Independent sources, Check

Triviality is a measure of the depth of content contained in the published work, exclusive of mere directory entry information, and how directly it addresses the subject. Multiple articles, in depth written discussions, Check

For the other Bob - your poiints weigh heavy on me in terms of not wanting to stifle legitimate discussion and avoiding the whole "own" thing. However, the notability psotion being argured is just plain inaccurate here. I'm a wiki-user of only a few days, and I've foundd the fact based content to back up the notability position rather easily.

Seems to me that seems to me that a more experienced user could process the data just as objectively and probably more efficiently to arrive at a policy conclusion.

Meeting the primary criteria is in fact, accorfing to policy the *only* argument needed

Regards and I'll try to stay silent from now on,--James.lebinski 20:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment THREE newspapers does not equal "many". SO a reporter at one of them has a soft spot for your cow. That still isn't "many". I think you are using Wikipedia as an advertisement to further your own cow and the fact that people here think that kind of use of our encyclopedia is acceptable is disgusting. pschemp | talk 22:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Most people would include "three" in the "MULTIPLE" catagory (that's alot more newspapers writing about this than alot of subjects on WP). There are actually at least 7 different articles on this subject with at least 7 different reporters cited. --Oakshade 22:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Sorry otherbob, I can't stay out of the fray - fact wise anyhow. Pschemp - its actually four newspapers. Based on previously established notability i'll offer that that the only furthering of the art is when it is carried back to the workshop to create the next piece. Gladys is art - not an empire! Wiki is the right place for the article Proof point: a free vanity website could be instantly created, and not subject to peer review, nor notability, nor any wiki rules. You'll note that none has ever existed, and that the ONLY references on the web are the idependent sources themselves. Better that way I think.--James.lebinski 03:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, someone should start to define notability so it is not a rubber clause ... stretchable in every direction to suit the needs encountered - or it should be abolished. Naem 213.42.21.78 20:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Please see Wikipedia:Notability Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 21:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Jeff and Edison (is there a prize for "least likely AfD !votes" ?) Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete this obviously self-promotional article. Especially bad -- the fact that wikipedia actually uses the phrase "mooving." Way, way too campy. Bonus points: not even close to a decent peice of art. --Descendall 08:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I have to go this way for now. It is written about in 3 local papers. So we have multiple sources. That means it is not OR and is verifiable. Now, the question is are these sources non-tivial? I'm not convinced that they are. But given the recent vote, I'm willing to let this stay for now. Having said that, additional sources would make this an easier call. Also given the dates and detail, one wonders where all of this data came from. Was all of it from those seven or so newspaper articles? The pictures show that the cow does exist with several paint jobs. One other point for keeping. The fact that this cow is repainted so often may make it unique which would be notable in and of itself. Vegaswikian 01:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Dakota 22:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Isabella V

Isabella V (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

It didn't become any more notable since 2003, and now with the 'moved' site officially dead, no point in keeping this. Also it was a hoax after all. timecop 04:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Either a hoax or someone who fails WP:BIO. Either way, off with her head (delete). B.Wind 04:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • According to three editors in the previous AFD discussion, closed only 2 weeks ago, the references section of the article demonstrates that xe satisfies the WP:BIO criteria. Please explain why you disagree. Uncle G 19:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I disagree strongly - the articles in question indicate that either Isabella V is a hoax or an Internet meme. While I would not be as coarse as the writer of the Esquire article, there is a telling quotation on the first page: Are you halfwits actually buying into this garbage?. Sorry, but blogged hoaxes don't make noteworthy Internet memes. Oh, by the way, the "official" site link is now dead, it seems. B.Wind 20:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Being a documented hoax or meme does not affect whether something satisfies or fails to satisfy the WP:BIO criteria. You yourself have just cited a non-trivial published work on the subject, a 9-page magazine feature article. Uncle G 10:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • It seems that User:Timecop is on a mission: User:Timecop/The war on blogs. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 19:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Borderline speedy. MER-C 04:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not a notable hoax. Danny Lilithborne 05:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, cannot pass the 25 year test.
• Delete per above. This is the 2nd nomination. Earlier AfD is here. Eusebeus 14:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Got articles in Esquire, Wired, and a German magazine. That's notable, per Wikipedia:Notability. If it was proven a hoax after all, that can be added to the article, but it doesn't make it less notable. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 15:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - maybe speedy delete. advertising for a dead website. - Femmina 20:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Covered by notable publications as mentioned by AnonEMouse. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per AnonEMouse. --badlydrawnjeff talk 11:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. What's our motto ? Ah, yes, "Verifiability, not Truth". Fake or not, this is notable in the Uncle-G-notability-is-not-subjective sense. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete According to the above comment, Wikipedia's motto is to spread lies. Let's not let Wikipedia's dream of hate and lies go any further.--Amanduhh 03:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment User's 10th contribution to the Wikipedia, all previous ones being to other articles for deletion. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 15:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. The presence of references only makes me question the validity of the supposed "reliable sources" that documented this. --- RockMFR 07:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008

WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Pure speculation. "It has not been officially announced yet," according to the article. This was prodded, but deprodded without comment. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. MER-C 04:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per crystal ball comments. (aeropagitica) 05:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Delete per all above. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per MER-C. Maxamegalon2000 06:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Tiifm 06:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per MiB Eusebeus 14:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:NOT a crystal ball. --Terence Ong 16:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per above. vDub 17:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. RobJ1981 17:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, likely to be announced in the near distant future. 86.20.53.195 21:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • comment - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Sorry, man. If it announces, then it possibly goes up. --Dennisthe2 00:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as no official sources have given a release date, this is nothing more than speculation and crystal ballism. (aeropagitica) 22:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I agree. We do not keep articles on things that are likely to happen we need sources. This is a clear case of crystal ballism. --65.95.16.240 22:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete too early, speculation, no real information. Dar-Ape 23:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as pure crystalballery. --Dennisthe2 04:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete-as per all. Nileena joseph ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 17:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robbins Well

Robbins Well (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Fails WP:CORP, pure advertising, not notable. Viridae^Talk 04:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 04:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete spammy advertisement pubcruft. Eusebeus 14:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Scienter 14:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete what a pile of rubbish! Hut 8.5 18:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete OK, so it's a pub. Like many others. And it's an advertisement.--Anthony.bradbury 22:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Err... yeah. It may be my ex-local, but that doesn't mean it needs an article. :) JulesH 00:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I removed all the blatant advertising that I added. ben.donnellan 01:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all. --Coredesat 07:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upper_Mississippi_Baseball_League

Upper_Mississippi_Baseball_League (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This article is definitive of the problem Wikipedia has been working hard to avoid. Aside from a Tripod Website This article has no notability. In the Sports world Wikipedia is becoming a joke. This League appears to be no more than an elborate hoax which has been allowed to go on for two years on Wikipedia. There is no mention (and never has there been any mention) of this league outside of blogs, Wikipedia amd Wiki mirrors. Their website (which no longer exists was hosted on Tripod and gave no information on the league's Front Office structure or contact information. Aside from inconsistencies in the website, there is no mention of any of their teams in known media outlets. There is not and never hasbeen mention on Our Sports Central, which is the definitive minor league sports news website, and the league's teams do not have websites. Please delete this hoax before it further tarnishes the credibility of Wikipedia. MJHankel 04:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are team pages for this league article, incidentally they are not even stubs as is:

• Bloomington Soy Sox
• Champaign Homers
• East Chicago Lakers
• Joliet MudCatz
• Lincoln's Team
• Merrillville Railers
• Peoria Prairie Dogs
• Rockford 15s

Comment for anybody that wants to see it here is the Google cached version of the leagues website Click here

• Weak neutral It was a tough find, and I was expecting to vote delete on this one, especially as a crystalball article, but check this article out which independantly confirms the league and one of its teams (albeit weakly). Also, check out this site which makes the claim that the league may be a hoax. Confused? There's more. this site seems to hint that the league and ANOTHER of its teams does indeed exist. I am uncertain how to vote on this. I am willing to listen to arguements in both directions, and change my vote accordingly. If this is a hoax, it is elaborate, and extends well beyond wikipedia. Maybe a BJAODN article if it is a hoax? Not sure what to do with this... --Jayron32 05:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • change vote to Delete per reasoning below. I am now convinced. --Jayron32 04:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment I knew of the first article you stated, and the article is a mere example of how much Wikipeida is taken seriously, and should not be taken lightly. Basically that article was about names of teams, Columnists tend to gleen info for an opinion based article, often not taking the time to verify info. Also As it is this article was started in 2005 by, what appears to be, an annonymous user. Most people take things as true when they have stuck around for that long. The thing of it is, look at past edits to the article people have pointed out that this is not credibal. This article continually changes its facts. Its former website never was updated with any information whatsoever. Wikipedia actually had more info on this league than the League website itself. Look at the logo, it looks like something a kid made on mspaint. It would not be hard to make a legitimate looking fake basball league logo, they did not even do that. I live in Gary, Indiana Which is directly next to both East Chicago and Merrillville. No newspaper ever even hinted at a new league and two teams for the region. Think logically about it there are professional Baseball Teams in Gary, Joliet, and Rockford. New Rookie teams in the same city or area would be a terrible business concept. At first I hoped that this was true, but as time went on it became painfully obvious that it was not. No Newspapers have spoken of this League. And that "City Town Info Website" you listed is a common website that makes articles about multiple locations, simply taking info that they found to make any city look good. Facts are not always taken into account. --MJHankel 10:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I just must say, this article is exactly what used to be joked about Wikipedia, People stated that due to the fact that anyone can edit it is not credible. Much has been done to change this fact but this article has just slipped by. Its own Tripod website is gone now. If this league returns again in the future (legitimately) than we should add it, but as of now it is just an elaborate hoax, I have asked on independent minor league baseball forums and no one has heard of it. They all agree it makes no sense and is just not real. It is definitely a BJAODN but nothing more. --MJHankel 10:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete fails WP:NOTE, possible BJAODN. Tulkolahten 13:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Scienter 14:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, but this is far from the only article that people "joke about" when saying Wikipedia is not credible. —Rob (talk) 18:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment I know but it is a perfect example of the problem. Getting rid of even one article helps. --MJHankel 18:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MyOtaku

MyOtaku (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

non-notable wapanese blog site. 46 unique google hits. timecop 04:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Danny Lilithborne 05:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Borderline speedy. MER-C 06:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Non-notable blogging service. Seems like advertising. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Tiifm 06:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions. -- — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 11:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, might even be a speedy. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 11:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete clearly fails WP:WEB and no real assertion of notability. Eusebeus 14:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable, advertising, vanity. - Femmina 20:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I'd hardly consider 460,000+ members, and the only anime-centric blog service to be non-notable. - Baron.LSN 13:30 29 November 2006 (GMT +8)
• Delete - "wapanese" is not politically correct, the right term is "weeaboo" :) --Wooty Woot? contribs 21:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment - Someone else pointed that to me on irc as well. Sorry, I'm not up to date on current Japano/animu/scatphilia. :P --timecop 03:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply - It was a joke, and the guy on IRC was probably pulling your chain as well =p. Both are sort of detrimental terms, I was just joking about how there's two words for the exact same thing with the exact same connotations. "wapanese" is used more in mainstream usage, with places like 4chan and Something Awful preferring the "weeaboo" term. They're both hilarious words. --Wooty Woot? contribs 07:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - reads like an advertisement. All references are from the site itself. MightyAtom 06:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I sound like a broken record, but most web sites on wikipedia fail WP:V and WP:RS. This one fails even WP:WEB. --Quirex 00:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Wapanese? On my Wiki? --Amanduhh 21:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete - Proto's comment sums it up nicely. Yomangani^talk 12:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Auckland waterfront vs. Eden Park debate

This page serves no purpose and there is already nearly identical information at 2011 Rugby World Cup. Furthermore, the sole author continually reverts redirects and merge suggestions as if he (she?) has made this his (her?) pet article. --Jemiller226 04:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per first part of nom. Viridae^Talk 05:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well if you say this can't exist, we may as well get rid of this: 2006 Melbourne teenage DVD controversy. --SilvaStorm

Why? Are you saying there is identical information in another article? If so, which one? --Canley 05:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Please don't add speedy deletion tags to this AfD discussion because you disagree with it. No sane admin is going to delete this page anyway. You need to let the AfD run its course. Also, don't remove the AfD notice from the article. --Canley 05:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This user has a history of this sort of thing. Check his user talk and mine, just barely stopping short of personal attacks to try to save this article. I'd report him, but frankly I just can't be bothered. --Jemiller226 07:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I was saying the information was already included in another article, and judging by the article up for afd, doesnt need its own. Viridae^Talk 08:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect content to 2011 Rugby World Cup, being the relevant event. -- saberwyn 05:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Please note that there is nothing to merge (as mentioned in the nomination). This is also an unlikely search term and so a redirect is probobly unecessary. Viridae^Talk 08:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, not notable, unencyclopedic. (Also, creator should be closely watched - a quick glance at his contribs and talk page suggests unilateral moves and WP:OWN violations by using {{underconstruction}} and leaving the template on after he leaves the page.) – Chacor 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Viradae, though I don't think a redirect is neccesary.StayinAnon 17:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. no redirect required. Rafy 20:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep So why is this page allowed to exist: 2006 Melbourne teenage DVD controversy. --SilvaStorm

Maybe because it's completely a different issue whose information isn't already covered elsewhere? If you'd notice, the article for the DVD in question redirects to the article you keep citing, inexplicably, as a reason to keep your article. Therefore there is only one article with the pertinent information, and you've identified it. In this AfD case, there's already an article with all the relevant information and as a result this article is redundant. This is not difficult to understand. Normally I do my best to assume good faith, but your history here (and, frankly, on Lostpedia) make this extremely difficult. I'd suggest you stop attacking me on the talk pages for this article and for my user account, by the way. This isn't personal, never was, and never will be. I even helped out one of your Lost episode articles when I came across it in the stub list, or at least I tried to help it, but I see it's been deleted, too, for the same reasons this one is up for discussion. --Jemiller226 23:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, or failing that redirect to Stadium New Zealand. Very contentious and highly publicised dispute within New Zealand. Grutness...wha? 23:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletions. -- Grutness...wha? 23:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait, so there are two articles that have this information already and would both be more likely search strings than the AfD'd article? I think that just serves as even more evidence that this is a redundant article. --Jemiller226 23:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, the debate is already well covered at Stadium New Zealand, and to a lesser extent at Eden Park and 2011 Rugby World Cup. There's no need for a redirect, as no one is likely to come across this title by mistake. I'm curious: was the author aware of the Stadium New Zealand article when they began this one? If not, what redirects should be created to make that article easier to find. Waterfront Stadium already exists as a redirect, although I imagine at some point it will have to become a disambiguation page.-gadfium 23:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--Jersey Devil 00:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. While it is a notable issue within New Zealand, our articles on Eden Park and Stadium New Zealand already cover it. It is relatively unlikely as a search term. Capitalistroadster 01:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, duplicates information found elsewhere, and a very unlikely search term (so redirecting would be useless). Proto::type 10:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. WMMartin 17:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. --Coredesat 07:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monsters and Critics

Monsters and Critics (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable spam/media site. 48 unique google hits, some from wikipedia itself. does not establish any kind of notability. timecop 04:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:WEB.----RWR8189 05:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Danny Lilithborne 05:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn, fails WP:WEB. Eusebeus 14:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable. fails. - Femmina 20:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is a notable website. FellowWikipedian 20:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a fairly notable web site. Forty nine hits on Google News Archive [20] and Google News source. Capitalistroadster 01:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Capitalistroadster. Note that User:Timecop is on a mission: User:Timecop/The war on blogs. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable enough. Recury 19:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete within 36 hours, unsourced article. Sam Hocevar 22:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unsourced, non-notable. --Amanduhh 23:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Is listed on Google News and Yahoo News as a source, that could be seen as a sourcing of notability. I'm neutral on it, I figured I'd throw in that fact - Tawker 07:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

comment I wouldn't count any blog being on google news as a serious source. Of course, that's just me. I think I mentioned this elsewhere, but since there's never ORIGINAL content on blogs and just copy/paste from REAL news sources, I don't understand why googlenews would want to pick them up. --timecop 14:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Who are you people to say what is and what is not notable enough? It's Wikipedia's job to have articles for people to find out information on things. And, fyi, if it's good enough to have a lead story on Google News several time's a week, it's pretty darn notable. Mets 02:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
  • comment - url plz. --timecop 03:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Groupcast

Groupcast (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

wikipedia is not a dictionary. incidentally, this isn't a word, either. delete. non-notable concept, with some blogspam links increasing pagerank. timecop 05:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Deletecast - nn web neologismcast. MER-C 06:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Eusebeus 14:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable. blog/cast related neologism. - Femmina 20:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. --Coredesat 07:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brisbane Indymedia

Brisbane Indymedia (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Procedural nomination. Contested prod of an obvious attack page. Article contains no references, and is written in highly biased language. Recommend speedy deletion. --Elonka 05:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete db-attack. Danny Lilithborne 05:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Canley 05:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete db-attack Ansell 06:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7. --Coredesat 07:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hamber Coalition

Hamber Coalition (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable Internet forum. Prod was removed. Fails WP:WEB. --- RockMFR 05:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, absolutely no assertion of notability. --Stormie 05:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:WEB.--RWR8189 05:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Danny Lilithborne 05:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I find this page useful. User:Yogi_is_cool 21:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC) — Yogi_is_cool (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Keep I really find this site interesting and I may join the forum too. User:Tankrat 23:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Not sure Meh its ok. User:Bearabob 23:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep I don't know the forum thingy but the page is fun to read User:Thomas Smyth 04:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Users above have not edited this AfD. I have repaired the above comments due to a spa changing them. MER-C 06:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - no assertion of notability. So tagged. MER-C 06:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete the only notable thing here is the most pitiful attempt at sockpuppetry in recent memory. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 06:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 07:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MonkeyFilter

MonkeyFilter (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

ATTENTION! If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on a forum, please note that this is not a majority vote, but rather a discussion to establish a consensus among Wikipedia editors on whether a page is suitable for this encyclopedia. Wikipedia has policies and guidelines to help us decide this, and deletion decisions are made on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes. Nonetheless, you are welcome to participate and express your opinions. Remember to assume good faith on the part of others and to sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end. Note: Comments by suspected single-purpose accounts can be tagged using {{subst:spa|username}}

"MF is a collaborative or community weblog, where members post links to online content, such as websites or articles, which either amuse or provoke discussion"... so are thousands other contentless blogs with spam and google ads. 75k alexa, a ton of google hits thanks to continuous spamming of other sites, but hey, its easy to tell after the first page there are no relevant results. Delete as non-notable blog site. timecop 05:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.--RWR8189 05:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Danny Lilithborne 05:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Borderline speedy. MER-C 06:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment(s). Let me correct some misinformation. Monkeyfilter has no google ads, nor any advertisements of any kind. Monkeyfilter does not "spam other sites", unless you consider linking to web-sites to be spamming. Monkeyfilter's google pagerank cannot be altered by Wikipedia because all external links from WP are set to rel=nofollow. Monkeyfilter is not contentless, unless you consider comments and discussion to be non-content, in which case MetaFilter is also contentless.

  Now some counterpoints. First, MonkeyFilter has been through VfD in 2004, as you can read in Talk:MonkeyFilter. The consensus then was near-unanimous keep. Because of the age of the article, it does not qualify for speedy delete. About notability, MonkeyFilter passes the Google test. It and MetaChat are currently the largest MetaFilter clone sites (clone in the sense of software), including non-trivial overlapping communities, but the three sites have very different foci. Needless to say, being a clone is not a sufficient rationale for deletion: take 2ch and 4chan, for example. A better deletion reason might have been that Monkeyfilter fails to meet WP:WEB, but WP:WEB is only a guideline, and MonkeyFilter is both a website and a community. I can make a case that Monkeyfilter meets WP:ORG and should therefore not be deleted, but I won't because WP:ORG is not yet a guideline. Different editors will have different standards of notability for web-based communities: some, such as the nominator, may think most most blogs are non-notable; others, such as the commentators on the previous VfD, will point out that the size of the Monkeyfilter community is large enough to be notable.

  One remedy instead of outright deletion is to merge MonkeyFilter into MetaFilter, This will, of course, have to be brokered with the editors of the latter article, who may not agree to the merge.

  Note:I am not "voting" because AfD is not a vote, I am a member of MonkeyFilter (as I have disclosed on my user page), and I have edited the article in question. I have also grown to suspect over time that AFD debates have essentially arbitrary outcomes. Lur 10:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

  • — Lur (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Fair points that you make, but consider that we have a raft of policies and guidelines as well as common sense to help us make a decision. Hence, the judicious use of WP:WEB and other notability guidelines which this fails. It may look like "Delete per nom" is mindless cant, but in many cases, the issue is clearcut and well elaborated in the nomination. Which is the case here. Viz: Delete per nom. Eusebeus 14:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Do keep in mind that several claims in the nom are outright false, as I have indicated in my first paragraph above. Therefore a delete "per nom" is a perpetuation of falsehoods. Note further that the possibility of not meeting WP:WEB was not part of the nom, and indeed was a point I raised. Lur 15:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, the nomination doesn't state fails WP:WEB directly, it instead addresses those aspects of the guideline within WP:WEB that are germane here, so smae thing as I read it. Eusebeus 15:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If you want to demonstrate that this web site satisfies the WP:WEB criteria, then all that you need to do is cite sources to demonstrate that it has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works that are from sources independent from the web site. Please cite sources. Uncle G 19:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • No. Your minds are made up, as is plain from the fact that not one of you has bothered to read my comment carefully. I don't care to be your dancing monkey and MoFi does not need Wikipedia's grudging acknowledgement. Lur 19:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Is that an admission that the subject has not been covered in multiple, independent reliable sources. It sounds like it to me. JChap2007 00:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - whatever. pages about linktraps like this one are spam and should be deleted. non-notable. - Femmina 20:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• keepI might wish it weren;t notable, but it is.

It is correct thatdecisions depend upon who chooses to answer, which is a good thing on article talk pages where only the interested contribute, but really stupid for things like this. DGG 22:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Article does not cite any sources; no hits on Google News; one hit apiece on Books and Scholar, but the book does not even list MonkeyFilter in the index and the article in Scholar is on p2p filesharing, so it is unlikely it discusses MonkeyFilter (a site that does not feature filesharing) much. JChap2007 00:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and commentary, especially noting User:Lur's overdramatic commentary. Please forgive my low tolerance of dramaqueenery. --Dennisthe2 04:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Interesting that you have a low tolerance for dramaqueenery, but apparently a high tolerance for outright lies being used a justification for deleting an entry. Wikipedia may not be a directory for blogs, but it's going to be awfully stupid for an internet resource not to highlight internet sites which have particular character, history or is of particular interest.

    —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.9.3 (talk • contribs) .

    • Comment - then it might interest you to note that Wikipedia is not for things that are "interesting", because "interesting" is highly subjective where as notable, according to Wikipedia policy, is not. Further, if the AfD is "outright lies", then you need to demonstrate that it is indeed, and/or repair the article, and/or contact an admin. My vote stands as delete. --Dennisthe2 00:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Dennisthe2. Montco 05:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glog

Glog (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Not only is this a 'confusing' article (which by itself isnt a criteria for deletion), but its a blatant spamvertisement by gloto.com about um, something, which doenst quite make sense. Non-notable/spam. delete. timecop 05:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete uh huh. Danny Lilithborne 05:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. MER-C 06:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Glogg, which is more notable and doesn't taste like Spam. Tubezone 06:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Eusebeus 14:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - blog-related neologism. blog-related. non-notable, vanity, whatever. - Femmina 20:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete As per nom. Or redirect as suggested by Tubezone. Linuxaurus 16:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United States presidential election, 2004, exit polls

United States presidential election, 2004, exit polls (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Previous VfD

I tried to go through and remove original research and unverifiable claims from the article and realized that I would have to delete everything. This article cites no reliable sources and I just don't think it can be fixed, so it must be deleted. RWR8189 05:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - I'm too lazy to RTFA... is there a difference between the nominated article and 2004 United States presidential election controversy, exit polls? --- RockMFR 05:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Redundant article to the well researched and sourced 2004 United States presidential election controversy, exit polls Copysan 08:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 14:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Kukini 18:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. If there's anything good then add it to 2004 United States presidential election controversy, exit polls, but I doubt there is anything. Hut 8.5 18:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Andrew Delong 18:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Deleted w/ pleasure. Tawker 05:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No More Spin

No More Spin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Oh wow, you've gotta be kidding. 100% non-notable blog hosted @ blogspot. Article contains nothing but spam. Delete, if not speedy delete. timecop 05:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, absolutely fails WP:WEB, possibly speedy delete.--RWR8189 05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: Speedily deleted by Nihonjoe as "blatant advert". - Mike Rosoft 09:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] StockWrap Express Charts

Contested speedy, looks like possible NN software but would prefer some more opinions. Tawker 05:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, product still in 'beta development', no evidence of meeting proposed guidelines. Simple promotional article with lightweight "plausible disadvantages" added in response to spam speedy (disclosure: party to speedy). Kuru ^talk 05:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as spam, StockWrap (talk · contribs) created the article. So tagged. MER-C 06:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• • you have created a page for TA software as per Technical Analysis Software, and have contested every software placed on this page? what is the point of a TA software page if you cannot place software on this page? it makes not sense. have requested assistance for rewrite of the article yet no help has been offered. As per guidelines offered by Kuru Creating an article about software you have personally developed is strongly discouraged but not forbidden. It is indeed easy for an author to overestimate the notability of their work. If such work is notable, someone else will eventually start an article about it. Its free software for TA users? How is it not notable? Feel free to edit article as you deem appropriate but deletion is unfair - Stockwrap 28 November 2006, 12:14am
  • also i refer to Merchant of Venice (computer program) by Brick Thrower - who is a notable java programmer and the program is written in java. Furthermore, I see no evidence that this meets proposed guidelines either under Critera- Stockwrap 28 November 2006, 12:24am

The spam comment is more about conflicts of interest, i.e. you should not be promoting stuff that you wrote. That's why it's blatant and unsalvagable spam. And the technical analysis software is for notable pieces of software. You have not demonstrated why this software is notable. MER-C 08:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

One more thing, inclusion is not an indicator of notability. I've prodded the article in question. MER-C 08:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 04:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regnum Online

Procedural, contested speedy Tawker 05:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - no assertion of notability. Fails WP:WEB. Borderline speedy. MER-C 06:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Google results are all blogs or forums or beta download sites. A game played over the internet would be expected to have some coverage on websites. Demiurge 12:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

*Speedy Delete Fails Web guidelines, no assertion of notability, no substantiating Ghits. Withdrawing vote. Eusebeus 14:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong, Speedy Delete - Fails all web guidelines, no independant third party coverage, article seems to go into way too much detail, not to mention being a poster child for WP:NOT an instruction manual/game guide (just look at combat section to see what I mean) The article also smacks of crystal balling with a couple of sections stating 'Information on this cannot be disclosed at this timre.' See below for new thinking. The Kinslayer 15:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. The Kinslayer 15:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• I have added several coverage articles about the game at the External links section. Please check them out.
  • I'm afraid none are valid sources AFAIK, due to the fact they are mere databases with no limitations on who can list themselves on it. We need actual genuine non-trivial media coverage. (And the article is still appalling anyway.) The Kinslayer 15:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry to disagree, but between the spanish sources there are 2 newspapers (La Razón and Infobae) and a television news coverage (Telenoche). The article may need cleanup or to get shorter, but instead of deleting it, it may need collaborations. Jcpetruzza 16:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Well excuse me for not speaking spanish for some bizarre reason. And the onus of collaboration falls on peole who want the article kept. That's not me, or anyone else so far. The Kinslayer 16:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Of course, you need not speak spanish, but the article does cite independent sources. As for the manual style, I shall eliminate detail. I'll be back in a while and work on it. Jcpetruzza 16:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's covered by Larazon, which appears to be a high-end general news site (whether they have a print edition I don't know), a video segment on Channel 13, which appears to be a local news channel (maybe its national), as well as more game-oriented media. That sounds like WP:WEB to me, or getting pretty close to it at any rate. The game is new, so more coverage is likely. Somebody put a lot of work into the article, I'm not convinced that the subject is sufficiently lacking in notability to just toss that. Herostratus 16:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I have greatly reduced the article, reducing unnecessary detail, abandoning it's former manual and crystal ball style. Next time I post a new article I'll be sure to add sources at the very beginning to avoid these kind of issues. Though it angered me at first, I admit this whole discussion helped me improve my style. I hope the article is not deleted. Thanks for both positive and negative criticism. I still think improvements should be proposed in the discussion page before inserting a speedy deletion notice. Jcpetruzza 17:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - OK, from what I could gather from bad translations of the spanish, it does indeed seem notable, so I've changed to a keep (and the article is much better now!) The Kinslayer 21:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - It seems to be fairly well-written and formatted, and has just about enough reliable sources to pass WEB. Time should provide a few more. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 22:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep- Seems notable enough to pass WP:WEB. Just because someone hasn't heard of it doesn't mean it isn't notable. While mainly a Latin game, I still feel this needs to stay. guitarhero777777 02:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per commentary, and contra to nom. --Dennisthe2 04:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedily deleted by Coredesat. MER-C 08:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nonprofit Blog Exchange

Nonprofit Blog Exchange (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

While a great concept, totally non-notable. Just another blog, spamming itself up with pagerank, alexa ranking in the 2millions, a couple pages of google hits, followed by irrelevant spam that 'emily' seems to be inserting on every blog in existence. nice try! timecop 05:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Agree, looks like a not-yet-notable. Delete for now. Sockatume 05:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - no assertion of notability. So tagged. MER-C 06:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Microcasting

Microcasting (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and this isn't a word, either. Actually, microcasting is a plastic mold creation method, but these newfangled blogger types want to reinvent new words all the time. non-notable concept, never heard of outside wikipedia, 1st google hit IS this wikipedia article, delete. The 'definition' is "A MicroCast is a specific form of podcast wherein the content of each piece is wholly separate from the next". What? timecop 05:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 06:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — per nom. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Nn neologism. Eusebeus 14:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - blog-related neologism. or pure crap. - Femmina 20:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Shame we can't speedy neologisms. --Dennisthe2 04:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. --Coredesat 08:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T.C. Congi

T.C. Congi (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

this appears to be a pure vanity page written by its own subject. Aaronbrick 05:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete random school kid. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 06:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Gotta speed, Keed Danny Lilithborne 06:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above. So tagged. MER-C 07:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Copysan was the only one to seriously argue against it, and they addressed mostly the notability of the technology, not of this company. Sandstein 21:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ping-O-Matic

Ping-O-Matic (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

"Ping-O-Matic is a service to update different search engines that your blog has updated." Yeah, right. Surprisingly high Alexa rank in 4200's, probably due to link incest/spam, since the company seems to be exactly in that kind of business. However, still non-notable enough concept. Spamming search engines with blogs is hardly new (or notable). timecop 06:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 06:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge to Ping (blogging) Ping-O-Matic is used by thousands of bloggers to promote their website. (See Ping_blog) It acutally is not spam. The blog world evolved a service called pinging to notify the general public of when their websites were updated. This spawned services like Technorati. The author of the blog would simply need to put a ping url in his post. As the numbers of these services grew, the numbers of urls grew, so a service like Ping-O-Matic was formed to return to putting one single URL instead of many. PingOMatic does not spam search engines. It sends pings to blog search engines, which literally want people to ping them. Also, do a google; 1 million hits, and the first couple pages are independent blogs mentioning the ups and downs of the service. I do admit the article does need to be improved. Copysan 08:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete weblogs are not a reliable source. Demiurge 12:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn concept, and high Alexa probably due to the linkspamming cited in the nomination. Eusebeus 14:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Ping-O-Matic is certainly notable in their field, although they're not the only player. "Pinging" blog search engines is a significant part of the blogging ecosystem. That said, the short list on Ping (blogging) of the major ping services is sufficient. Any mergeable content should be moved there. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 16:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Ping-O-Delete - or speedy delete, or delete. advertising page for a spam company. blog related. - Femmina 20:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• keep Do not judge on the basis of whether you like or approve of the product or the site. DGG 22:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No assertion of notability in article. No non-trivial coverage by multiple, third-party published sources. -- Satori Son 05:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was 1500000 = 0000000, i.e. delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1500000 (number)

1500000 (number) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Not notable, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Numbers#Before creating a new article and plenty of prior discussion. Article was prodded (by somebody else), but the author removed the PROD notice. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 03:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Viridae^Talk 07:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Wholly uninteresting. Mgm|^(talk) 10:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 11:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom. - Cate 13:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The date section could possibly be moved to 1,500,000 BC, but I don't think it's notable there, either. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom. Eusebeus 14:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Article seems to have been created based on a misinterpretation about the announcement of Wikipedia's 1.5 millionth article. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 15:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm not sure notability is an issue here, but the article is entirely OR, as far as I can see ... WilyD 15:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. There will be billions of articles if we create every number that exists in the Mathematical world. --Terence Ong 16:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually there's not enough matter in the visible universe to create an article for every number in the Mathematical world. ;-) — RJH (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment But there is enough if Wikipedia limits itself to numbers that have been researched by mathematicians and have been found to have interesting qualities. 1.5 mil is probably not one of these. PrimeFan 20:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete carry on like this and we'll run out of not-paper. Hut 8.5 18:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This number does not appear to be notable enough to merit its own article. Only ten OEIS results, most of which are for things like "Smith's constant to 1500000 decimal digits." PrimeFan 20:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Edit Conflict Delete completely unverified stub about an uninteresting integer.-- danntm ^T _C 20:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete We're not going to make an article about every number (infiniti) in the known universe! —The Great Llama^moo? 22:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. And now, we shall delete every number greater than zero. --Dennisthe2 04:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete We do not need an article for every number, and 1500000 is no different. --Fred McGarry 11:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It's a frivolous article which provides no real information apart from stating the painfully obvious.--Tiberius47 12:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not worthy of it's own page.--Linuxaurus 14:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not every multiple of 10⁵ needs its own article. Caknuck 20:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, should be included in Trivia-Wiki, if it exists, but not here Rough 21:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete lol Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 11:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. There is no need for this article, as it doesn't provide any real useful information. There should only be pages for notable numbers.--Tom^{I edit my userpage too much}, 17:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:BIO requires multiple independent non-trivial sources. One isn't multiple, and the source is not non-trivial. --Coredesat 07:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esti Ginzborg

Esti Ginzborg (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Strong Delete -- completely non-notable. Lisa Irwin 05:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Weak keep article is a mess, but could be cleaned up with additions from this entry from FMD which contains a bunch of information about her. Its only one source, but it is independant, and marginally non-trivial. Still, IMHO it pushes her over the threshhold barely. Thus this is a weak keep. If other references can be found, even better. --Jayron32 05:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Bold text

Delete FMD features thousands of models and IMO is not enough to establish notability. On a personal note, I think she is quite distinctive and has potential, but that's just my POV. If she makes it to Vogue's cover I'll gladly change my vote . Stammer 11:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Garbage stub. "Many say she has a bright future." - Who cares? Crystalballery, vanity, unencylopedic, non-notability. Scienter 15:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No prejudice against recreation should her future turn out to be notably "bright". -- Shunpiker 01:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- Bad article, non-notable person, and so I say delete.--SUIT 05:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 17:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Works of Pope Benedict XVI

listcruft. wikipedia is not a amazon.com Cuwques 07:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC) — Cuwques (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please note the comment by Copysan below. The article on Pope Benedict XVI is already 79kb long as it is. Take this into consideration before you consider a merge. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - this is not an indiscriminate list. MER-C 07:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This list provides an ordered collection of the Pope's written works. This is entirely in line with policy and has nothing to do with Amazon. As MER-C said, it's not indiscriminate. We can't turn it into a category either without creating tens of stubs about the works in question. And it's too long to put in the main Pope article. This is fine right where it is. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Mgm. Stammer 11:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per those above. This is a list of strictly defined parameters and will remain so even if the Pope does nothing but write until he shuffles off this mortal coil. It's far too long to go anywhere else, too. Additionally, the Estonians seem to have nothing against their copy of the list, so I'd say it's probably notable enough for us as well. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with the Popes bio, there is no need for an additional list Rough 14:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Undeniably notable and of general interest, however it does appear that there is no similar list for John Paul II (as in one that includes pre-Pope material, too) and I recommend one be created since he was a noted writer before he became pope. 23skidoo 14:32, 28
  • But that would not be with the Pope's bio, but with Ratzinger's. He was not the Pope when he wrote most of his notable works. Someone should maybe start a bio for his pre-pope days Alf photoman 16:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per Rough. Scienter 15:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge, I fully agree with Rough Alf photoman 16:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletions. -- Kusma (討論) 16:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Pope Benedict XVI, nothing much but just a list of his works. No need for a seperate article, people would want to know the works of the Pope still. --Terence Ong 16:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep seems worthy, especially as it was nominated by a newcomer. Perhaps some of his main works could be mentioned in his article. Hut 8.5 18:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• keep per mgm. a notable author is a notable author. If there are enough works to need a page, they merit a page.DGG 23:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and do not merge The Pope Benedict XVI page, at 79 kb, is big enough. Copysan 01:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per mgm, and most definitely do not merge given the current size of the Pope Benedict XVI article. RFerreira 02:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep on account of WP:SNOW and merge. --Dennisthe2 04:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Some more comment on the list would be nice. Could it be included in Theology of Pope Benedict XVI? Kusma (討論) 21:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, HH should have all the space he needs 200.106.170.4 00:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete as blatant nonsense. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 09:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khalid Abdulle

Khalid Abdulle (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Clearly a joke Matthew_hk tc 07:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete - yep, it's a hoax. Only 2 non-wiki ghits, both from namesdir dot com. So tagged. MER-C 07:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Agree Speedy delete as definite hoax (Quentin X 08:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC))
• Delete. Alas, being a hoax is not a criterion for speedy deletion, much as I wish it was. Qwghlm 08:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

  The more blatant hoaxes can be dealt with under csd g1 (nonsense) or csd g3 (vandalism). MER-C 08:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Friends references in other television series

Friends references in other television series (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

ogirinal research, GFDL vio from Friends, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Frueiwg 07:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC) — Frueiwg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete as unreferenced original research and per WP:NOT, despite the problems with the nomination. MER-C 07:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per MER-C, and it seems a rather pointless article since it's exactly the same as the Friends#References in other television series article section. Jayden54 12:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Do we need this much trivia about Friends? -- Whpq 14:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Redundant at best. WP:OR at worst. Eusebeus 14:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, original research and redundant, unencyclopedic topic. Terence Ong 16:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Friends worldwide broadcast

Friends worldwide broadcast (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friends broadcast details Frueiwg 07:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC) — Frueiwg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete as unreferenced original research and per WP:NOT, despite the problems with the nomination. MER-C 07:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - seems to fail WP:OR and no references at all. Jayden54 12:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:OR, WP:NOT, WP:V. Unencyclopedic topic. Terence Ong 16:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedily deleted by Nihonjoe. MER-C 09:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Janey c.

Janey c. (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Does not meet WP:BIO, nonnotable subject, article makes no claims to notability Copysan 08:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete per nom. Already tagged. MER-C 08:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Shiny Diamonds

The Shiny Diamonds (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable band. 97 GHits, and they all seem to be myspace or other self-promotion. According to their entry on "New Music Canada Artist", they haven't even released a single single or album. Article created by spa (purports to be the vocalist of the band). yandman 08:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, borderline speedy. MER-C 08:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Non-notable band, fails WP:MUSIC. Eusebeus 14:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Scienter 15:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• My name is Tim the mute and I am the lead singer for the shiny diamonds. Although it was my account this was written on, I didn't personally write the entry. I did however author the new music canada page and I did forget to post our albums on it. We have three albums and a few singles, while they didn't recieve much play across Canada, they were still featured on singles and compilations and the like. I can assure you we are indeed a real band and we are just as "notable" or relevant as anything else on this website. Now in the name of sharing information on the worlds only universal medium, please do not delete this article.

I wasn't even aware that we were being considered for deletion until a newspaper contacted me about it this morning. Anyways, thank you for your time. -Tim

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IS3

IS3 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Another Spyware spammer of late. I cannot find proof of the award the product has supposedly won; in any event, most media coverage of the company seems to be trivial and thus I think it fails WP:CORP Daniel Case 08:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - They've had some reviews for one of their products, STOPzilla which deserves its own article, but there is nothing notable about the company itself. I can't find any awards, reviews or news articles at all, so it fails WP:CORP and maybe even WP:COI if I look at the main contributor of the article. Jayden54 12:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Searching for "IS3" gives a lot of hits for unrelated things; I did find this review when searching for "Stopzilla" though. Their CNET page doesn't say anything about an award; in fact, it seems CNET haven't even reviewed it yet. The STOPzilla page should also be considered for deletion. Demiurge 12:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. This article's subject matter is not notable. The only evidence of notability is unsourced and cannot be found when searching for it. Scienter 15:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Francisco Carrasco

Appears to be self-advertising. Chanheigeorge 09:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - fails WP:BIO (no reviews, awards, nothing), fails WP:V (no sources or references to show notability) and probably fails WP:COI as well. Jayden54 12:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom - was created by "Francisco de Liverpool". Hut 8.5 18:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete - vanity page. B.Wind 00:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. as conflict of interest, and failing WP:V. "Francisco Carrasco" + Liverpool returns 108 unique Ghits. "Francisco Carrasco" + Latin returns 179 unique Ghits. Some do establish he is director of 'All Things Latin', and of community project 'Mzone'. There were many copies of press releases or events listings for events in which he is one of many performers, or otherwise trivial mentions. Even the BBC Liverpool listing article (not a review) displayed only his name below his photo. He is involved in group called Radio Changa (4 Ghits). There were about a quarter non-relevant hits. He may, or may not, have been a member of band called Navajita Plateá . Most importantly, there is no reliable bio for him. Ohconfucius 03:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete A7. Tagged. --Dennisthe2 04:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karen Versluys

Karen Versluys (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Unverifiable or Possible hoax. Search results in 23 unique Ghits, many of which wiki pr mirrors. Hits also for namesake, student at Dalhousie University. The entry was created by single purpose account Gunthervanluten. The author lifted one entire paragraph from another website, and there have been a few vandalism edits too: the exchanges which took place on the articles talk page strongly hint to me that someone is having a bit of fun at wikipedia's expense. Delete Ohconfucius 09:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable, unverified, and possible hoax. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 09:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. MER-C 09:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Obvious hoax/bar humour. Eusebeus 14:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Come on folks, we can spot hoaxes when we see them, right? Scienter 15:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax. The website for the Heineken Prize does not mention this "scientist". Neither does the website for De Jonge Akademie (part of the Royal Dutch Academy site). There are Dutch scientists by this surname, but none found with this first name. But gimme a break - 150,000 tabs of ecstacy as a prize? Agent 86 18:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. She might exist, but this article is clearly inaccurate. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cake Pony

Cake Pony (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable webcomic: fails the Web content notability guidelines. Author's only edits are to this article and related pages (images, and adding it to List of webcomics). The only internal links to it are from the aforementioned list and article request lists.

Additionally, the article as it is now is full of original research. --Slowking Man 09:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This page was created in response to other wiki's such as the "wikifur" and "encyclopedia dramatica" creating false and possibly slanderous comments about this webcomic.To the contrary of other descriptions about this comic on the internet, this article is an objective description available from a primary source, ie the creator of the webcomic this article refers to. It is my hope that this article is not deleted as it contains valuable and factual information about a popular internet meme. If I have not properly cited myself while using 3rd person language as required by wiki rules, than I would be glad to edit the article rather than see it deleted. Slorpthegillman 11:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Andrew Klein of Cake Pony

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is not a webhost. Additionally, material contributed by the author(s) of a work violates our policy prohibiting original research and our guidelines on conflicts of interest and autobiographies. --Slowking Man 12:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Slowking Man. Scienter 15:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - WP is not a publisher of first instance, a webhost, or a means for the creators of artwork to respond to their critics. Sam Clark 20:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - It's entirely unencyclopedic. You can edit the WikiFur article if you like, and the ED article will probably get deleted eventually because no one has heard of it and the article isn't funny (which is their main criteria). - hahnchen 17:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 12:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rainbow (data storage)

This has already been tagged {{hoax}}, and no verification of the technology has been made. By itself, it is clearly not notable as a hoax (or contentious technological claim, such as Steorn, and would only achieve notability through verification Princess Tiswas^(t/c) 10:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - Ars Technica has also debunked this technology, so it's almost certain a hoax, but it's been all over the news in the past few days, so it's quite notable, even though it's not real. Does Wikipedia allow articles about hoaxes or not? Jayden54 12:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • See Wikipedia:Hoaxes. Wikipedia allows articles about hoaxes, as long as they are notable hoaxes, documented in multiple non-trivial published works from sources independent of the hoax/hoaxer. Uncle G 19:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for. Jayden54 09:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, with coverage on techworld[21][22], arstechnica, the Reg, this seems to be verifiable (as a hoax, obviously). Notability is still debatable, this doesn't seem to have attracted much attention outside the tech news websites. Articles in the Deccan Herald, The Hindu and Arab News. Demiurge 12:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep and suggest revisiting the issue in maybe 6 months or a year and decide then if this was a memorable and notable hoax or just a tiny blip on the midia radar for a couple days. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep - It may be useful to keep this simply as a good example of vaporware. Unless a solid analysis of this technology can be verified then it is simply an article about a hoax. Wikipedia does allow articles about hoaxes if they are notable. This "technology" has been covered by several tech media outlets so it can be argued that it is a notable hoax.
• Keep. Covered by multiple publications. Articles about notable hoaxes are allowed as long as they are clearly labelled as such. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - let's keep it for now as it's very notable at the moment, and in six months we can also look at this article again and see if it's still worthy. Jayden54 09:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. In case anyone cares, I've done a little cleanup. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It may be a hoax, but it's a notable hoax. PianoSpleen 09:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Hi, my name is Suhail Rehman and i am a student of the college in which the technology was developed. I have edited the page to include details of the reason why the news reports were blown out of proportion. Also i will search the newspaper archives for citations asap. Please do not delete this page as it is an actual technology in development even if its claims were blown out of proportion.- Suhail Rehman, suhailrehman@gmail.com, 11/30/2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.232.117.163 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 30 November 2006.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 17:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orthodox file manager

Anon 88.149.168.128 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) has expressed doubts about the validity of this term and asked for its deletion, calling it a "hoax" and arguing it is not an established term anywhere. Rather than "hoax", a better term for what he means would probably be "non-notable and unverified neologism". Procedural nomination, no vote from me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for your assistance, Fut.Perf. My reasons for asking for deletion are the following:
  • Googling for "orthodox file manager" (with quotes) yelds a measly 305 results.
  • The term is never mentioned in the Jargon file, the most notable and comprehensive hacker slang dictionary.
  • The term "orthodox" is not even mentioned in the web site of GNU Midnight Commander, probably the most notable example of Norton Commander clone in use nowadays.
  • So, my opinion is that this entry looks like an attempt by somebody to use Wikipedia either to add authority to his own neologism, or to add "orthodoxy" to their file managers of choice. --88.149.168.128 11:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Certainly not a well-recognised term - seems to be coined by this website. I would guess most people would call these "norton commander clones" - that term gets far more google hits. Either move or delete. Googling for "Orthodox file manager" -wikipedia -Bezroukov gets only 400 hits. Morwen - Talk 10:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Quite a lot of other articles (such as ZIP (file format), GNOME_Commander and 7-Zip) link to this article, which might indicate some notability, so I'm not really sure this is a made-up term. Any thoughts? Jayden54 12:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Ah, but two questions: who added those links? And people often accidentally propogate neologisms within Wikipedia : did they have sources other than Orthodox file manager itself. Morwen - Talk 13:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep or merge with file manager. From a (superficial) search through Google articles, it seems that the neologism was coined and propagated by SoftPanorama/Bezroukov, but it caught up to a certain extent. I'm undecided whether the term should be used in Wikipedia; IMO it functions a bit better than "Commander clone" or "Commander-like file manager", but then file manager is fairly empty and could better serve as a summary article than this "neo-logistic" one. Duja► 14:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep or move. It is both obvious that the class of file managers described in the article exists & it is a notable collection of file managers (and the term is preferable to "Norton Commander-style file manager" or similar alternatives). There have been no strong arguments for deletion & the strongest objections come from an anonymous user. The term has been used by the developers of Krusader and other popular file managers, as well as in news articles. There is a dmoz sub-category "orthodox" under "file managers." While a google search for 'orthodox "file manager"' does produce false positives, a quick survey of some of the first hits (from 13,200 total) suggest that some people call these "orthodox twin-pane file managers" or "orthodox two-panel file managers" or other permutations of 2/two/twin/dual pane/panel. Another semi-popular alternative is "orthodox or NC-style file manager." --Karnesky 15:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Why would "orthodox file manager" (305 Google hits) be preferrable to "Commander style file manager" (15000 Google hits) ? What does "orthodox" mean? That's complete nonsense. So I'll say that the only "orthodox" file manager is the Macintosh Finder. Go ahead and contradict me. --88.149.168.128 16:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
    • This is a discussion for DELETING the article & was prompted by your comments. Now you are arguing to move (rename) the article. As such, I think this should be speedily closed as keep & talk of a page move should go onto the discussion page. --Karnesky 17:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm not arguing it should be moved. I'm arguing it should be deleted.--88.149.168.128 18:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
        • So why'd you ask about "Commander style file manager?" I'll treat that question as if it was sincere. As AoR notes, it is a clumsier term. It also promotes a particular piece of software over others. As for your other challenge, you have pointed out multiple pages that use "orthodox" to refer to a class of file managers resembling NC/mc/emelfm/krusader/etc. Playing the same google game shows only four hits for "'macintosh finder' 'orthodox file manager'" and none of the hits claims the finder is an OFM. --Karnesky 22:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
          • I never asked for the entry to be moved to "Commander style file manager". I'm asking you why you are saying that a term which yelds 305 Google hits should be preferred to a term which yelds 15000 Google hits. Moreover, seeing as the number of Google hits evidently doesn't matter in your view, the fact that a Google search for "macintosh finder" "orthodox file manager" yelds only 4 hits shouldn't constitute a valid objection to my (clearly fictional) point that the Macintosh Finder is the only orthodox file manager in the world.--88.149.168.128 23:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
            • How about the coherent content of pages? It was easy to see that none of those four pages referred to Finder as an OFM. It is straight forward to see that most of the thousands of pages which mention orthodox file managers are describing the same thing. --Karnesky 00:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
              • Firstly, "orthodox file manager" doesn't return "thousands" of pages. It returns a LOW number of pages, which means that the phrase is not wide-spread and it's used mainly by its proponent(s). As for the fact that no one is referring to the Finder as an "orthodox file manager", that's probably due to the fact that I didn't put up a web page calling the Finder "orthodox", nor did I make up a Wikipedia entry for "orthodox file manager" where I say that the Mac Finder is the only orthodox file manager.--88.149.166.153 09:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
                • about 1970 results for "orthodox file manager"
                • about 13,400 results for orthodox "file manager" (some false positives)
                • --Karnesky 13:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
                  • The second search is not relevant because it includes all the pages where the word "orthodox" is unrelated to "file manager". 1970 hits for "orthodox file manager" is of course ridicolous, and it just goes to prove my point. It also makes sense to suppose that a considerable part of those pages have had Wikipedia itself as a source.--88.149.166.153 20:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
                    • You claimed that a search didn't "yeld" (sic) thousands of pages. I showed this wasn't the case (even the most conservative search gives close to 2000 hits). How is this "ridicouluous" (sic)? I did point out that there were false positives in the second search. However, as I also stated, it catches many other pages that refer to file managers as being orthodox (because some people use orthodox as one in a series of adjectives). --Karnesky 21:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
                      • 1970 pages is not "thousands of pages". The second search is useless unless you also cite the exact number of false positives.--88.149.166.153 22:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep - Seen and used the term before ever seeing it on wp or wp-sourced sites, all other collective terms for this group of file managers are even more clumsy. Ace of Risk 16:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per Ace of Risk. --Gwern (contribs) 21:10 28 November 2006 (GMT)
• Keep per Karnesky —Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs)
• Keep. If need be, move the term later. --Arny 20:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Number of Google results does not necessarily show anything and neologisms are not necessarily bad. Moreover, it is used and this article is useful - it helped me understand the term when I came accross it. Much ado about nothing. I 'd like to add that a good cyclopedia tells you about things that have 300 google hits, including neologisms. Why wikipedia it when we can google it ? The Ubik 03:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Are you saying that if I coin the phrase "kazoo-playing file manager" and somehow get it to spread to less than 2000 web pages, I am welcome to write a Wikipedia entry about it? Interesting...--88.149.166.153 10:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jon Erickson

Jon Erickson (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

The subject is a real writer of possible notabiliy (though some of the few backlinks seem to concern another Jon Erickson), but the article contains no verifiable biographic information at all. Prod contested by User:Jandrewbz, the only substantial contributor to the article. From his original version I removed a "controversy" section with the content

Erickson's name was tagged in Sharpie marker on the window of his ex-residence, the Bottom of the Hill House. To this day, the culprit remains a mystery. There are no suspects.

which even if true would hardly be something of encyclopaedic importance. The whole thing smells of either a strange hoax or an attempt at an attack page, possibly aimed at another Jo(h)n Erickson than the one who wrote Hacking: The Art of Exploitation. This makes the accuracy of two only remaining bits of (unsourced, unverifiable) information by the same editor extremely suspect. Without them (and arguably also with them), the article is not even stub-class and should be deleted until actual sourced biographical information about Jon Erickson surfaces. Henning Makholm 11:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - I'm not entirely sure how notable this person is, but this article provides no sources or references to show any notability, so I'm going to say delete it for failing WP:V. Jayden54 12:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:V Scienter 15:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as subject doesn't meet WP:BIO even as an author.--Isotope23 15:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The book may be notable, but there's no notable content here. -- Shunpiker 01:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ubiquity

Ubiquity (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

dictionary definition, even sites a dictionary Vicarious 11:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Wikipedia is not a dictionary, already at Wiktionary. MER-C 11:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per MER-C, and this article offers nothing more than a definition and usage of the term. Jayden54 12:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to omnipresence, where the two concepts are distinguished. While the article I read is more than a "dictionary definition", the additional parts are some kind of marketing gibberish that strikes me as beneath notice. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per MER-C. Wikitionary is enough: "Ubiquity" shouldn't be ubiquitous. --Howrealisreal 16:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per MER-C. Danny Lilithborne 18:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --MasterA113 13:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• I am just an everyday user so maybe I am not smart enough about this, but I don't see why wikipedia should not also be a dictionary any more than why my cell phone should not also be a calculator. Maybe wikipedia would have been bad if it was too much of a dictionary at first, but now that there is so much content it doesnt make any sense to exclude abstract terms. In fact, foreign users may not know whether a term is abstract or not and may not know whether to go to wiktionary or wikipedia. Why make them choose? I have started using wikipedia a lot more lately. Part of the appeal is that whenever I wonder what something objectively is, I can just go to wikipedia. I did that for this word and found you plan to delete it. Sure, there is another site, there is wiktionary, but everyday people like one stop shopping. Every word has a definition, a history, some famous thematic uses, etc. Even if the latter may take a long time to be noted, it should still be included. Wikipedia should answer the question "What is ________?" By finding excuses to send people to other sites for a common 5-10% of queries wikipedia makes itself less convenient. Many wikipedia entries like steel, hammer, music, and dog will be in dictionaries too. Why exclude definitions? Should google start blocking searches that include the word definition so that people can go to some other site too? Maybe barnes and noble should stop selling dictionaries and focus on being a book store. A few definitions in wikipedia might not fit the five year plan, but to the common user, unconcerned with ideology, they can only provide an additional benefit. - Marc
  • everyday people like one stop shopping. — Then they should use one of the several almalgamation services such as answers.com that cater to such people.

    Every word has a definition, a history, some famous thematic uses, etc. — And documenting all that, for all words of all languages, as well as providing translations, pronunciations, inflections, usage notes, synonyms, antonyms, related words, and others, is the ambitious goal of Wiktionary. It is not the goal of this project. The goal of this project is to be an encyclopaedia. Its articles are about the people, concepts, places, events, and things that the words denote. So show by citing sources that discuss the subject that an encyclopaedia article can be had, that will not be a perpetual stub (unexpandable perpetual stubs being deletable per our Wikipedia:Deletion policy), on the concept of ubiquity.

    Maybe barnes and noble should stop selling dictionaries and focus on being a book store. — That isn't analogous, and so is irrelevant. Uncle G 16:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Here's a good reason why Wikipedia shouldn't be a dictionary: because we have Wiktionary. Danny Lilithborne 06:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • There is template:wi that can go up to direct people to the Wiktionary page. It may not be the best method, but it could direct people like Marc to the correct project. --Howrealisreal 14:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • The message that appears for non-existence pages also directs readers to Wiktionary. Uncle G 16:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Mackensen (talk) 14:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Brother Australia 2007

Big Brother Australia 2007 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

I think this is just a tad premature; the only information available at the moment is that there is going to be a seventh season of Big Brother Australia, and that it's happening in 2007. _JD^talk 11:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. MER-C 11:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This is not crystal ball gazing. We have verifiable evidence and high certainty that the show will happen. If you read the guidelines you have referenced, the article does not violate them. eg

• "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable": It is verifiable. References are in the article.
• "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place": The event is notable (same as all other BB series) and is almost certain to take place (media releases indicate that it will take place, and auditions are currently underway). -- Barrylb 12:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - per above. It's just slightly too early for this article yet. When there's more information available it can be re-created. Jayden54 12:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Neutral. It says slightly more than the fact it's happening. It also mentions the channels and details about the auditions, though I agree it's not much. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - We know with high certainty that the show will happen and this article will be needed sooner or later. Given that the auditions are underway there is some useful information to include in the article. -- Barrylb 12:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete until we know more than is currently the case. It's a near-run thing, since with auditions and the like we're pretty much talking about something that will happen, but I'd really prefer there to be more than just the bare fact of auditions right at the moment. When rumours start surfacing that one of the housemates is going to be a bionic chimp or something (and can be duly sourced), then there'll be a good basis for an article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- _JD^talk 12:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom & becouse its a crap show. DXRAW 04:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. It may be a crap show - I have not seen it - but this is not a deletion reason as the argument is about the article, not the show; but the other reasons given above are valid.--Anthony.bradbury 00:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

So true. In the Netherlands the most recent BB edition had something like 300,000 viewers. Any other show would've been cancelled with ratings like this. I'm still waiting... Mgm|^(talk) 10:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Auditions for this show are currently underway that makes it a current event, named for 2007 - when it will go to air. But it has started already. Garrie 00:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Given that auditions are already underway, there is verifiable information available. Big Brother will be on air so that the article will have to be rewritten in six months. Capitalistroadster 01:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - By the time it would get deleted there will probably be more information, it is a current event and has to start somewhere, after last season this one is likely to be very controversial before it even starts. If it gets deleted it will just have to be rewritten soon anyway. Firelement85 05:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - More information will come to hand soon, and because auditions have started and that their is a refrence that states this series will air this article should stay. -- Whats new? (Talk) 14:56, 30 November 2006 (AEDST)
• Keep - apparently Sydney auditions were in November 2006 and Melbourne auditions begin 2 Dec 2006. There's a skeleton of current information on the page, it is referenced, and it is inevitable that this page will be created within the next few months. There's worse pages in WP. Why delete this now when someone will need to reinstate all of what was deleted some time later? Asa01 06:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Capitalistroadster and others. It's verifiable and will just need to be rewritten so lets just keep it. Sarah Ewart 02:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The auditions have started and production has been given the "green light" which makes it a scheduled event. 3rd December 2006

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Seems reasonable that relisting would yield such a result anyway. W.marsh 04:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rich Hollenberg

Weak Delete Unsure on notability. Just H 13:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep as national television personality. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suraj Jaganmohanan

Suraj Jaganmohanan (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This article was created by User:Ganeshkerala in December 2005. This version wikified and tagged for verification by User:Mary Read was about Suraj Jaganmohanan, a "pioneer in poultry farming". In June 2006, User:Bksuraj vandalized the article and his version remained for quite some time until I reverted it. I cannot find any source to prove that this person is notable enough for Wikipedia. Google doesn't result any relevant results. The article claims that he has won "Kozhi Award" ("kazha award" in the first version of the article), but I couldn't find any information about such an award. utcursch | talk 13:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable and unverifiable. utcursch | talk 13:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. utcursch | talk 13:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete apparently the proprietor of a poultry farm, who supposedly won an award that doesn't have an article and doesn't appear on Google. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete His name appears only in Wikipedia. No Google search results or news results. [23]

and [24] . The Kozhi( Chicken) award appears to be a hoax. --Agεθ020 (ΔT • ФC) 20:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. But we should admire his creativity.--Anthony.bradbury 23:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not verifiable. -- Shunpiker 02:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep/merge. If anyone really wants to do the merge, there seems to be a consensus for it here. W.marsh 20:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lowrider Band