Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2006 February 9

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as recreation of previously deleted content. Capitalistroadster 01:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gendowned

apparent nn neologism Savidan 00:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, neologism and fancruft. Royboycrashfan 00:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Speedy G4 per below. Royboycrashfan 00:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as neologism. --Carnildo 00:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn neologism. Choess 00:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete it has just come to my attention that this page has been previously deleted twice. Savidan 00:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per Savidan. Deskana (talk) 00:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as per Savidan. Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 00:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedily deleted as per CSD A6: attack. --M@thwiz2020 02:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kapuyolandia

Delete The article is in a foregin language – sampi (talk•contrib) 00:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, this is the English Wikipedia. Royboycrashfan 00:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Speedy A6 per below. Royboycrashfan 00:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Ditto. FunnyYetTasty 00:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The page is also offensive to the gay community.--– sampi (talk•contrib) 00:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: A6. This has to be some sort of poorly conceived hate joke against homosexuals. --Kinu 00:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• If an article isn't in English, list it on WP:PNT and it'll get afd'd if no one has translated it after 2 weeks. Not being in English isn't a reason for deletion by itself. However, in this case the page appears to be patent nonsense so speedy delete. - Bobet 00:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I removed the translation tag as it is still POV. The article title itself is offensive.--– sampi (talk•contrib) 00:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as per above, also this is the English Wikipedia. Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 00:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax in a Spanish: rough translation. Peyna 01:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Peyna. Carlossuarez46 01:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus to delete, majority vote keep. Ifnord 21:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coolidge Middle School Coolidge Middle School (Reading, Massachusetts)

"Ya u should certainly get rid of this page- it's very racist against miorities and I don't feel comfortablewith all the creepy stuff about Marie...DELETE bitches" Delete as non-notable. After reverting the blanking of this article earlier today, I received an email from the original author, user Slugger9203. "I am requesting the deletion of the article COOLIDGE MIDDLE SCHOOL because the vice principal at my school told me to delete it and I do not want to get in any more trouble. Please delete it." I've done my part, Slugger. Lockley 01:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Abstain. The author DID request deletion, but articles about schools need not be deleted. Royboycrashfan 01:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I find it sad that a person got in trouble for adding a page to wikipedia, but it seems non-notable, and would require a lot of research and formatting to make quality. --Mathwizard1232 01:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Please Delete it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.107.161 (talk • contribs)
• Weak delete. I don't know enough about the two awards listed (no citations) to determine whether they convey notability, but I doubt it. High schools are pretty much an automatic "keep" even when they only have substubs, but that's because they have sports teams heavily covered by local mainstream newspapers, they have a sense of community among the student body and parents, and other reasons that don't apply to middle schools. If kept (i.e. if much greater significance is demonstrated), rewrite from scratch (and cite sources) per author's request, dropping all existing content. Barno 01:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. Schools are encyclopedic, as I found in my early days on the 'pedia. --M@thwiz2020 02:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep (accredited)educational institutions are notable.Blnguyen 02:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: While some editors make that blanket assertion for all levels of schools, there are many who insist that any school article must demonstrate individual importance. There is no "Schools are encyclopedic" accepted policy, just a lot of opinions and some battling guideline proposals. There are also plenty who say (for reasons I explained above) that high schools will always have enough notability if verified, but lower levels typically will not. Note that unaccredited colleges get a lot of "delete" votes. Barno 02:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete If you want an article about this just delete this one and make one yourself66.30.107.161 02:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep from my short time at wikipedia I've come to learn that schools are the 3rd rail. Obviously the content needs to be fixed, but the article itself doesn't need to be deleted. Savidan 03:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment I'm moderately deletionist now and figure that only High Schools are notable, but good luck trying to zap any school article these days. Ruby 05:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete SOME schools are notable, most are not. This one sadly is not. Mike _{(T C)} 04:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't see any kind of notability in this article. --Angelo 04:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. If the kid's got a kook for a vice principal that's terrified of the Internet, I see no reason to prolong the kid's suffering. It's inevitable that someone will come along later and write another article anyway, likely someone that said vice principal cannot touch. --Aaron 04:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, as not enough information to be notable. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC) I have changed my vote, please see below
• Keep all schools are worthy of inclusion. cleanup and expand.  ALKIVAR™ 08:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. "One news story that this school has is that they want to extend the school day from 2:30-4:30." Must have been a damn slow news day. Marskell 08:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep as per WP:SCHOOL. Jcuk 09:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per Marskell. :) ENCEPHALON 10:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. If kept, do not expand with transient and non-notable information for the sake of expansion. -— Rebelguys2 ^talk 11:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • After this article is kept, if you wish to influence its content, you're free to edit it. If you opt not to edit it, you will have no influence whatsoever on its content, and your comments will, as usual be ignored by the people who do editing. Wikipedia is not for backseat drivers. --Rob 11:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • What was the point of that bite? Marskell 18:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • What? It's a suggestion. Ignore it if you'd like. Please be WP:CIVIL. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 22:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep being a stub doesn't make it non notable. Elfguy 14:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per WP:SCHOOL ComputerJoe 14:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Newham Sixth Form College was kept on the grounds that schools should be kept and I can't see any reason why this one differs. MLA 15:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Major awards and lots of good info. Article is off to a good start. No reason to remove this. -- JJay 15:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, schools are notable to be on an encyclopaedia. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 15:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, meets the WP:SCH prop.Gateman1997 16:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SCH. --Rob 16:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The article has potential to be expanded. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Schools are kept. --Ezeu 18:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, I still have yet to see any compelling argument that schools are inherently notable... and the author requested it. Plus I just love seeing the "No Consensus" comment by the closing admin.--Isotope23 18:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I can understand high schools. They almost never get deleted. I think middle schools fall into a different category of schools. This article has the potentional to expand but is it really notable? Unless something really important happened at this school then it should be deleted.--† Ðy§ep§ion † 19:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• keep please middle schools are important also Yuckfoo 19:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SCHOOL Nick Catalano (Talk) 23:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and allow for organic growth. Bahn Mi 04:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SCHOOL. Only articles created by mistake may be speedily deleted under G7. (Although if memory serves, it may have been phrased differently when proposed.) Stifle 09:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep, et cetera. Silensor 00:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, established school. Kappa 19:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Car salesman 14:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment (Depending of course on whether the Vice Principal story is true) this could become notable if the student decides to protest. It seems at least tangentially related to Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier. Ardric47 03:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SCHOOL. Four refs, 3 external links, looks like a rather decent school stub to me. Now, which one of you delete votes above is the vice-principal? :) Turnstep 01:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep this crap. Ifnord 21:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crap

There is already an entry on Wiktionary for crap. This article has been and remains marked as Move to Wiktionary. If it is already on Wiktionary than it should be deleted from here in favor of the Wiktionary entry. Further, I do not see that this article is anymore than an elaborate dictdef as was purported when the prod tag was removed. James084 01:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Although some may be offended by this article, wikipedias goal is to have an article an anything useful. i used this to see if my my girlfriend loved me (dont ask)
• Keep. There is a section at the bottom that can be used as a dis-ambiguation page for the uses of the word. Georgia guy 01:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Royboycrashfan 01:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Reasonable article especially with dab aspects. Move to Wiktionary tag removed. Capitalistroadster 01:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete DicDef, not enough crap there for a full-up encyclopedia article Ruby 01:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, crap. (Sorry, I've always wanted to type that on AfD.) Change to disambiguation page, agreeing with Georgia guy. The rest is properly Wiktionary content, not Wikipedia. Barno 01:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This dicdef is a piece of... garbage. And don't you dare insult Thomas Crapper!!! --M@thwiz2020 02:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Change bottom section of article to disambiguation page and delete the rest of crap. --FloNight 02:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Disambig or redirect to feces. Peyna 02:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to feces. -Jetman123 02:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or Disambig; its a dictionary def --Bletch 03:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete As per Flonight. Mike _{(T C)} 04:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep it does not look just as a dictionary entry --Angelo 04:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This is more than a dicDef. Particularly the information dispelling the myth that it derives from Thomas Crapper. Paul August ☎ 04:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Disambiguation possibilities are stretching (since none of them are actually the word "crap". Fagstein 04:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep interesting article. I learnt something new today! Jcuk 09:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I meant keep, of course, per the very good Paul August. ENCEPHALON 10:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Paul August. Not all the useful information is in Wiktionary, nor should it be. The Etymology and myth dispelling is encyclopedic Mgm|^(talk) 12:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep it's a common word and if deleted it will be recreated. Elfguy 14:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep per above ComputerJoe 14:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this crap and have a disambig and link to wikt. instead. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 15:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per above. Neither wiktionary nor disambiguation are appropriate if either mean the loss of information. Smerdis of Tlön 16:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The article is an extended dictionary entry and WP:NOT and all that. Mikkerpikker ... 17:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It is a very common word. If the article is deleted, it will likely be created again. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per above. Ibn Abihi 18:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this necessary crap. It is a very common word, likely to be recreated. Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep please this is not a dictionary definition really Yuckfoo 19:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete disambig page would get absurd....per nom not an encylopedic entryAnlace 22:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Disambig this should be nothing more than a page linking to other approprate pages... all other content is in Wiktionary... Nick Catalano (Talk) 23:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Topic is encyclopedic, and article is more than a dicdef. --Allen 00:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep based on the precedent of Shit. If etymological discussions of dirty words is encyclopedic as retention of the cited article indicates, then certainly crap should stay as well. Carlossuarez46 00:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The discussion is encyclopedic, not lexicographic, in tone and scope. Ikkyu2 02:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per Carlossuarez46. Forbsey 05:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Shamed keep - it is an encyclopedic topic too, and it can be expanded upon.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 14:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep there's encyclopedic information about the word too. Car salesman 14:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete per norm. 3H 05:13, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, this article is way more than a dicdef. Turnstep 01:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep according to precedents with articles like fuck and shit. If they can exist, "crap" certainly can. - furrykef (Talk at me) 06:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Medicinal Tree plantations

I believe this page should be deleted because of the poorly written style. It has no coherent topic, is POV, and contains random facts contained in other articles. Nothing links to it, and it's not even clear that there should be an article for this topic, as it is rather obscure to begin with. --Mathwizard1232 01:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Aren't articles supposed to be easy to read? This thing's a mess. Royboycrashfan 01:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. It looks like a how-to guide on how to grow medicinal trees, and it's either copied from somewhere or it's original research. --Kinu 02:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --M@thwiz2020 02:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as beofre.Blnguyen 02:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, its a pile of giberish. Mike _{(T C)} 04:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 04:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- there's no need for an article on this, even if well written. Reyk 06:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. —-- That Guy, From That Show! ^(talk) 2006-02-09 06:49Z
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Krashlandon (e) 13:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete hardly an article. Elfguy 14:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Mikkerpikker ... 17:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep The potential of the article being properly written is there. If it goes through a major revamp, we should keep it. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Nick Catalano (Talk) 23:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Car salesman 14:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom with the caveat that this AfD should not be held against any future article that might actually contain real content. :) Turnstep 01:45, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ifnord 21:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King levitation

At Ellusionist.com you have to BUY this. You have to PAY money to know the secret. Its terrible that people can search this site for the secret, while others pay their hard earned money. CrazedNakedFooll 01:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep It may not be that encyclopedic but I think it can be improved to be of encyclopedic quality. The nominee's reason is invalid, though. --M@thwiz2020 02:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge. For those who are interested, there is a very extensive discussion of the pros and cons of publishing the "secrets" to magic tricks at Talk:Out of This World (card trick). This is a minor twist on the so-called Balducci levitation, and might be comfortably merged there. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• I would not call this a "minor twist" on the Balducci. I can understand how a layperson comparing the two methods in a few minutes might be led to that conclusion. But consider creating your own levitation illusion from scratch. It took Corey King more than a year to develop this "minor twist."Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Reason invalid. But, if you come up with a better reason, I'll change my vote.--Muchosucko 02:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete or merge two sentences to Balducci levitation, advertisement for commercial website. Google search shows this is real, but I question its notability (separate from the intellectual-property issue). Frankly, if I paid a dollar (let alone $19.95 or more as the website offers) and someone taught me this supposed "magic trick", I'd ask for my money back and contact the Federal Trade Commission. Barno 02:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Generally only magicians think that this trick is worth paying that much for. This is partly why magic tricks are SOLD. Magicians normally feel that only people who respect magic as an art form should know magic secrets. People who do respect magic will pay for an effect, where as a layperson won't, thereby restricting the secret to someone who truly has use for it.Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Muchosucko. Royboycrashfan 02:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This has been done to death. Kuru 02:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Redirect back to where it was pointing before. It's obviously NOT a secret, or it wouldn't be so widely published. Peyna 03:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

So should be publish all magic secrets, just because people can't keep their mouths should and share the secrets? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MacGyverMagic (talk • contribs)

WP should publish everything that is verifiable and encyclopedic. Peyna 13:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not verifiable without buying the product. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Many of the magic articles here on WP (including this one) seem to be used for the explicit purpose of exposing the secret of an effect. Exposing magic secrets is not encyclopedic. However, I believe that if the articles can be improved to reflect all aspects of the effect (author, effect, comparison, history, and method), it may justify keeping them.Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per above. Ardenn 04:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak weak Delete I have to think that somehow this could come back to haunt us. Despite how basic the trick seems, it was some magicans hard work/"trade secret", and we're basically stealing it by posting it here. Mike _{(T C)} 04:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Just to reiterate; something cannot be a "trade secret" if it is not a secret. This is not a secret, because it has been published. Peyna 04:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Harmless. --Aaron 04:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete- I don't care about the fact that money is being charged for this, I just don't feel that it's worth an article. Reyk 06:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, it's delete-worthy but not with that rationale. Try again. --Agamemnon2 07:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• If you think it should be deleted, vote delete. Other rationale has been presented by other contributors, and there is no reason to let a bad article survive due to a technicality. Reyk 07:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, second choice: merge as Balducci variation if kept, just because someone puts it up on the net doesn't mean it was legal to do so. Maybe it's not a "trade secret", but it's certainly someone's interlectual property. In Dutch, this would be called "inkomstenderving", an action that prevents someone from getting paid for their product which, as far as I know, is illegal. Besides, it's not as widely known as the Balducci levitation, the cups and balls or the floating lady. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

IP rights are granted by the government in the forms of trade secret, patent and copyright (in the US, where Wikipedia is located and where ellusionist.com is located. Trade secret protection doesn't fly here, because it's not a secret. It hasn't been patented, so there's no rights there, and copyright only applies to a particular expression of an idea, which is not the case here. Wikipedia is under no threat of legal action for posting this page. Peyna 13:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as long as the secret is revealed, as it currently is, then it's worth keeping, and followed the "all information wants to be free" motto. Some people keep reverting it to try to hide the information and that shouldn't be allowed. Remember if we delete it we do these people a service since the secret will be lost. Elfguy 14:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• I don't understand this reasoning. You're saying that this article only has value if the secret of the effect is revealed. This would suggest that nothing else related to the effect is important. Not the person who created the effect; not the facts of its development and history; not the place it is sold or the people who use it; and certainly nothing about how it fits into the history of magic levitations. Even if the page had all of that, if it didn't include the method it would be worthless? Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• keep. Good short article in the vein of our other magic articles. Knowing a secret is not hard work. Brighterorange 15:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong (�?喜�?�财) 15:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as scoring only 98 unique googles, but BJAODN the nomination :-) Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 15:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The secrets of stage magicians, like the secrets of secret societies, are not anything Wikipedia should be censored to respect. Smerdis of Tlön 16:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Writing this article without respect for magicians makes the article biased (against magicians) and should not be allowed. I don't see any reason magic secrets should not be included on Wikipedia. However, I think there is a right way to give away secrets (with detailed information on other aspects of the effects), and a wrong way (with a brief introduction half the size of the explained secret).Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Wikipedia is not censored for magicians. Dr Debug (Talk) 17:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep What Agamemnon2 said --† Ðy§ep§ion † 19:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This trick was revealed on one of those "Secrets of Magic" shows on TV at least 3 years ago. I've been freaking kids out with it for years. I've never actually heard it called by this name, but David Blane and others have been doing it for years. I applaud Ellusionist.com's sense of capitalism, charging for a trick that is freely available online. Maybe people paying for it should take the time to do a little more research. Wikipedia isn't in the business of keeping illusionists' secrets, so the article should stay.--Isotope23 19:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

A lot of companies make A LOT of money providing services to information which is freely available. Lexis Nexis and Westlaw have been very succesful at this. While we can't reprint their copyrighted contributions to that material, we certainly can publish all of the government works that are already public domain that they provide for a fee. It's the "other" services they offer that add the value (searching, ease of acces, support, indexing, etc). That said, I'm not sure what value Ellusionist.com adds to their products, other than neat packaging. Peyna 19:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Not quite, the product (variant trick) was there before people posted it to the net, so ellusionist isn't marking free information. The people posting it are ripping off a commericial product. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

A ha! But, ideas are not copyrightable. Peyna 23:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Note that this effect was not exposed years ago. The illusion Isotope23 referred to is called the Balducci levitation, which has in fact been exposed for much longer than 3 years. I learned the secret when I was a child from a children's television program over a decade ago (really). The King levitation however was developed just in the last few years, and has not be widely used or exposed. Whereas you can say the Balducci has been popularized by magicians like Blaine, you can say nothing of the sort about this levitation, which hasn't been around long enough to be widely publicized to the layperson.Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Duly noted... Your latest rewrite makes clear the difference between Balducci and King's variant. Nice rewrite by the way.--Isotope23 21:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• 'keep please this is a important magic trick Yuckfoo 19:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep provided issues of verifiability are adequately resolved. The "money" issue is irrelevant; Amazon.com charges $4.95 for Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, while Project Gutenberg provides it free[1]. Encyclopedia Britannica charges money for information that can be obtained free in many places, notably Wikipedia. The local Blockbuster charges money for videos that can be checked out for free from our public library. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep There is certainly nothing secretive about this illusion. It's one of many ways to go about creating a levitation effect, and absolutely should included in the wikipedia. Stevemarks 00:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• All magic effects have an element of secrecy. They are not legally secrets, but they are known only by a limited number of people (mostly magicians). It is not a secret to any of you, simply because you all regularly read Wikipedia articles, and have read this article. Remember though that just because everyone in this community may know the secret to this effect doesn't mean that most people in the world know it. I doubt that even 1% of the population knows how this effect is done.Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep it seems notable and I agree with Peyna that the legal issue is phoney: want to know may square miles is Italy: buy an atlas for $20, subscribe to Britannica.com for whatever the price.... or...gosh, it's free on Wikipedia, and someone lost some money. Carlossuarez46 01:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as no valid reason for deletion provided. Stifle 09:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - it can be improved upon, probably.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 14:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• I think I will take the initiative and improve it right know.Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - The article lacks references, and the trick described is not noteworthy in the least. Kleg 01:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

• Remember that just because you don't have a particular interest in the effect doesn't mean no-one else does.Verdad 01:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - "you have to pay money to learn this somewhere else". Well then, I guess you'd have to delete almost the entire Wikipedia database, because you have to pay to get the same info from Encyclopedia Britannica. Free information is the whole point of this place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.100.60 (talk • contribs)
• Keep per DrDebug. Turnstep 01:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was AfD for non existent page, probable AfD hoax Peyna 02:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Open Source Boot Protocol

Not notable, advert for yet another sourceforge project. Dibnot 01:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• WoW, it's WoW! Sorry, that's not funny. Royboycrashfan 01:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The link doesn't work - it links to an article that doesn't, and has never, existed. --M@thwiz2020 02:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Merged, redirect Marskell 12:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Susan Morton

Non-notable person, do the other 1694 people that voted get a page as well? Peyna 02:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Delete. Seems somewhat notable, but unencyclopedic material. Royboycrashfan 02:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Irvington, New York#2005_Mayoral_Election --Nelson Ricardo 02:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into the relevant election article as this is the only impact she has had and it wasn't due to her as an individual.Blnguyen 02:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or alternatively delete it --Angelo 04:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Nelson Ricardo. --Aaron 04:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Ricardo and Blnguyen. Reyk 06:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Nerge per Nelson Ricardo and Blungyen. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into a list. Krashlandon (e) 13:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • A list of what? People whose votes weren't counted? Since most votes are confidential and the people would never find out, how would such a list be valuable or accurate? Peyna 13:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge obviously. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 15:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into election article, this person herself is non-notable. -- Mithent 20:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above --† Ðy§ep§ion † ^{Speak your mind} 21:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. Car salesman 14:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greenburgh Taskforce

Non-notable, possibly unverifiable "taskforce" that no longer exists Peyna 02:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete, non-notable. Such a group in such a small town is not encyclopedia material. Royboycrashfan 02:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete -nn.Blnguyen 02:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Aaron 04:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 15:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Clear delete nn. Mikkerpikker ... 17:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Makemi 19:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] B5media

A run-of-the-mill network of blogs, which would be about as notable as a webring Ruby 02:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Abstain for now. Alexa rank of 44,209 (and continuing to climb) and 266,000 Google hits seem decent, but no other sites link to it. Royboycrashfan 02:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Delete. Royboycrashfan 05:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Only 180 unique Google hits. --Aaron 04:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to List of Babylon 5 articles to prevent a recreation; otherwise, just delete.--み使い Mitsukai 07:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep The network has many notable blogs in. ComputerJoe 14:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 15:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Small Town Murder

Non-notable band. Has been tagged for {{notability}} a couple of times, but the tag is always removed. Ezeu 02:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. Royboycrashfan 02:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Royboycrashfan Ruby 02:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn.Blnguyen 02:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Self-released EP? Pass. --Kinu 03:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Royboycrashfan --Angelo 04:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable. —-- That Guy, From That Show! ^(talk) 2006-02-09 06:50Z
• Delete as non-notable. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 15:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Mikkerpikker ... 17:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete nn band. Carlossuarez46 01:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn per above --† Ðy§ep§ion † ^{Speak your mind} 21:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, does not meet WP:MUSIC. --Liface 23:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Car salesman 14:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ifnord 21:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Description

This page was marked Move to Wiktionary. Evidently (according to the article's talk page) this had been completed. In fact, there is an entry on Wikitionary for description. This article is an elaborate dicdef and therefore, should be deleted in favor of the Wiktionary entry. James084 02:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, this is already more than a dictionary definition, and has further potential to expand to mention description techniques used in poetry, in police work, in audio description for the visually handicapped, and other fields. Kappa 02:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Royboycrashfan 02:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand per Kappa. Capitalistroadster 02:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep not just a definition anymore, more of an indepth description of a description. Mike _{(T C)} 04:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Question Is this a dicdef or a disambig page? Might be useful as a disambig page, but the rest sounds pretty definitional to me. Fagstein 05:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per Kappa. The article is not merely a dictionary definition; as well, it has room for expansion. Christopher Parham (talk) 07:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kappa. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The term is also used in witten composition to refer to a particular type of prose writing and a particular type of essay. It can and should be expanded. Logophile 09:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kappa. More than just a dicdef Mgm|^(talk) 12:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep it's a common word and should be expended. Elfguy 14:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Mikkerpikker ... 17:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep a basic process underlying a number of activities Fred Bauder 18:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep please because of what kappa said Yuckfoo 19:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 00:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NCAR

Was nominated for proposed deletion with reason "redirection to an organization that would fail AfD notability guidelines if created", but search for target of redirect "National Center for Atmospheric Research" gets 911,000 hits, and all the early ones are relevant. Bringing here for further discussion. Redirect goes to a nonexistant article at time of nomination, but parent article should be created if consensus says to keep. Barno 02:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy R1. Royboycrashfan 02:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete.Blnguyen 02:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment * 11:07, February 6, 2006 Jareth deleted "National Center for Atmospheric Research" (copyvio http://www.ncar.ucar.edu/ncar/about.html) Ruby 02:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Alexa rank 10,940 and Google. Parent article needs non-copyvio re-creation. Barno 03:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete NOW A redirect to a deleted page. Redirect is valid now. Krashlandon (e) 13:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: ... a redirect to a page that was deleted because the content was copyvio, not because the topic was unencyclopedic by consensus. Do the Alexa and Google checks indicate to you that the topic is unencyclopedic? Barno 14:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Barno.--み使い Mitsukai 14:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the redirect is valid now. Elfguy 14:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Barno. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 15:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Mikkerpikker ... 17:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Boldly redirected. This can be closed now.--み使い Mitsukai 20:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as redirect and I will attempt to put some more content in the National Center for Atmospheric Research page. Georgewilliamherbert 21:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. NCAR's notable; reason for AfD no longer exists. Ikkyu2 16:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was already redirected to Fueled by Ramen. Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fueled by Ramen Release Catalog

Oh boy, now spam comes in easy to open lists Ruby 02:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, list is almost blank. You can take all the time you want; we don't care about it. Royboycrashfan 02:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I have been working hard on this Release Catalog. I would appreiciate it if you did not delete it. --Russ is the sex 03:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. My vote will change to keep if you add context and background to the article, and perhaps tag it with one of those nifty "incomplete list" notices. Also, even if it is kept, perhaps a name change is in order? - CorbinSimpson 03:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I have tagged it with an Incomplete List notice as asked. --Russ is the sex 03:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I am adding more information by the hour. It should be finished very soon. Please don't delete this. --Russ is the sex 04:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 04:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I have, yet again, added even more information. Why do you keep voting to delete this?--Russ is the sex 05:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Sun Tzu said, "You can add link after link to a chain, but never once does it show any sign of wanting to stand up by itself." Ruby 05:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, I'll change my vote once there is context and background. - CorbinSimpson 06:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unreferenced, unverifiable. This could be published elsewhere and linked to, perhaps, but of what use is it? Fagstein 05:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I got the idea from a similar list on Drive-Thru Records. It serves a genuine purpose there, and it should serve one here as well. --Russ is the sex 06:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • An alternative idea would be to merge the release catalog with the list of artists into the main article (which is rather short), like has been done with Drive-Thru, and strip the release numbers which aren't of any real use outside the company. Fagstein 15:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Changing vote to merge, as it is now. Fagstein 17:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. Russ, the very fact alone that it's tagged with a "major edit" that lasts nearly a month indicates strongly that it's "your" article; articles here belong to everyone/no one - in short, if you'll note on each edit page, If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. Unless the article serves a valid purpose (and right now it doesn't), how could you expect anyone to vote any differently? If you must take time to build it, build a Sandbox page in your user space and develop it there before making it live. Until that time, my vote won't change; I doubt anyone else's will, either. Changing vote to Merge in light of the further developments.--み使い Mitsukai 07:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I have taken your advice. I deleted the "major edit" box. At the time, I wanted to make sure that the format of the list was not edited. I have no worries about that now. The reason I don't want to take the advice of Fagstein, is because I don't want to clutter the Fueled By Ramen page. However, I will take that advice if it is necessary for me to do so. If you want proof of my information, please visit the release page on the label's official website. For release dates, I have used Amazon.com. I have other sources of information that I will use to determine the identity of the missing releases. I will eventually add these links to the bottom of the page. I don't see why you say that this list does not serve a valid purpose. The purpose is to see the history of releases by the label. I will continue to work on this article, and I will put it in the proper place that you determine. Thank you. --Russ is the sex 16:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • If you click on the "Sandbox" link in my message, that will set up your Sandbox, and you should be able to copy the article there and work on it until it's good enough to go live. Hope this helps.--み使い Mitsukai 16:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I copied it to my Sandbox. Since my article will be ready to go live within the hour, I see no need for the deletion of this page. I will edit the page with the final version when I am done. --Russ is the sex 20:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unverifiable. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• 'Delete per nom. No background is given on what the list even is. --† Ðy§ep§ion † 19:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • That is simply untrue. I added more information though. --Russ is the sex 20:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • That may be so, but articles remain AFD until a definitive consensus is reached (usually takes about a week). You can still make edits to the article (like paste in the rest of it to replace what is currently there); it will just still remain AFD until the consensus is done. That's how it is for every article that's nominated for AFD.--み使い Mitsukai 21:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I understand. I have no problem with that. --Russ is the sex 22:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I'd have voted for deletion if this were one of those "two guys in mom's basement" micro-indie labels. However, it includes multi-platinum-selling records like Fall Out Boy's "From Under The Cork Tree", which is currently #28 on Billboard's album chart after 40 weeks (its peak was #9). At the very least, this should be merged with Fueled by Ramen, which is presently a stub. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I think merge is a good compromise. Fagstein 01:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per starblind. Bad ideas 06:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a list of interest to very few people and apparently created just for the sake of having such a list, i.e. listcruft. Also violations of WP:OWN. Stifle 09:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • There is no violation. Also, how do you know what other people are interested in. Are you a psychic? It may not be interesting to you, but others may be interested. The examples shown on listcruft do not apply to this list. --Russ is the sex 16:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge I am going to merge my article with the Fueled By Ramen article right now. I have only a few releases missing. --Russ is the sex 16:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I have merged the page. The separate page can now be deleted. --Russ is the sex 16:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Article redirected. This can be closed now.--み使い Mitsukai 17:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy keep as apparent bad-faith nomination. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 20:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cornell Hangovers

Reason why the page should be deleted Swampyank 02:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC) (2 contributions to Wikipedia, both for this AfD.)

doesn't meet "Notability (music)" standards of:

"A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, dj etc) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:

Has had a charted hit on any national music chart, in at least one large or medium-sized country[1]. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one large or medium-sized country. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country[1], reported in notable and verifiable sources. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). Has been prominently featured in any major music media. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise extremely notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award. Has won or placed in a major music competition. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.) Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. Has been the subject of a half hour or hour broadcast on a national radio network. "

• Delete, non-notable, possibly a hoax.Royboycrashfan 03:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Keep per below. Royboycrashfan 05:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - good article, plenty of google hits, seems notable enough. And why do you people think everything is a hoax? --HasNoClue 04:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Furthermore, that's pretty disingenuous of you to cite only the first part of the standards list, leaving out "For performers outside of mass media traditions:" which they clearly fall under. HasNoClue 04:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

*Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Keep per above. Ardenn 15:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Why would you delete 'per nom' when i just pointed out that the nomination leaves out the standards of notability that would be applied to this article? --HasNoClue 04:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I went to cornell, and this article is junk. Do people watch to make sure that lies do not get posted? If they do, they missed this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardman1999 (talk • contribs) (1 Wiki contribution, to this AfD.)

• Speedy keep and block nominator, as well as User:24.128.84.159 for violating WP:POINT. This article was nominated for deletion by User:24.128.84.159 (as you can see right here) because I've been counteracting that user's campaign to dump links to Bates College all over Wikipedia. In fact, over the past two days, I've rolled back dozens of inappropriate links from this user: look at all of the Bates alma-mater-cruft I've scrubbed off in the past few days. (I'm not the only one to notice this and roll it back, either: see his talk page for User:Mulder416's comments on the issue.) But, rather than discuss his POV Bates spamming, this user has decided to come after my edits. The nominator pretty obviously is a sock puppet for the IP address, given the huge (not) number of edits the nominator has made. With alllll that said, the Hangovers:

• • have won or placed in a major music competition (the ICCA, which is about as big a competition as collegiate a cappella has)
  • have toured Switzerland, Italy, Germany, France, England, and Brazil in the past three years.
  • are the third second Google hit for the word "Hangovers".

These seem to qualify it for WP:MUSIC. Cheers, JDoorjam Talk 05:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you. Why does AFD get dominated by kneejerk deleters who don't even notice basic things, like that nominator's only contribution was this AFD. HasNoClue 05:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I concut with JDoorjam, we need to stop being so lenient of null-value contributors and extend indefinite banning to include lesser infractions. Unless we all want to drown in AfDs, speedys, vandalism patrol and so on, in the future. --Agamemnon2 07:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - In case there is any further doubt, I believe the Hangovers meet the standards of notability. The ensemble has gone on numerous international tours, traveling to Germany in 1970, and making their first solo tour to Bermuda in 1971. On a 1995 tour to Japan, they received attention by donating half of their tour profits to the Kobe Earthquake Relief Fund. They most recently toured London in June 2005 and will be touring Italy in March 2006. In March 2004, they were shown performing on the Brazilian national evening news, Jornal Nacional. Alumni include such notables as Alan Keyes. They have competed in international competitions such as the Intercollegiate Championship of Collegiate A Cappella (ICCA), advancing to the semifinals in 2001. They can be heard on the PBS American Experience documentary "Rescue at Sea." They are the second oldest a cappella group at Cornell University, certainly the most well-traveled, and arguably the most musical. In 1980, their original single titled "Facetime" received national recognition and earned mention in Yale's "Guide to Selective Colleges." The song was recently re-recorded on the album "Blackout" with another original song, "River to the Sea," both of which received high marks from the Recorded A Cappella Review Board (RARB). The Hangovers have perfomed for John D. Rockefeller, Helmut Schmidt, the widow of Anwar Sadat, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, Gerald Ford, Henry Kissinger, and other notables. They recently performed to a sold-out audience at the French Embassy in Washington, D.C. [2]. CREarle 05:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Six albums recorded and 26 years as a group. Notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 05:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep and request admin intervention per Jdoorjam. Bad faith nomination. --Aaron 07:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep as notable band, this is a bad faith AFD nomination and needs admin attention. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep and request admin intervention per Jdoorjam. Nominating this for AFD was clearly bad faith and should be dealt with accordingly.--み使い Mitsukai 14:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep this seems somewhat notable. Elfguy 14:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable enough for Wikipedia. Not everyone needs to be Rush or the Rolling Stones Avi 15:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per JDoorjam. As there are no remaining "delete" votes, I suggest this be closed as speedy keep. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 15:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• 'keep can an administrator please speedy keep this now Yuckfoo 19:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Anyone can do a speedy keep if there is ocnsensus for it. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 20:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gtagaming.com

Non-notable website. http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=www.gtagaming.com#top may prove useful here. Does not meet WP:WEB, to my knowledge. Delete. - CorbinSimpson 03:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete -- nn. - Longhair 03:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. Royboycrashfan 03:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. --Khoikhoi 03:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• The website is an extremely influential GTA related website that has recieved recognition from Take 2 Interactive as well as Rockstar Games. The site has also had a hand in Young Maylay's (the voice of Carl Johnson)career. I for one do not feel that a deletion is in order. I would also like to add that the site recieves privy information from Rockstar well before it released to the general public. Which if I understand correctly qualifies it under this criteria: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WEB
  • So a fansite was recognized by the game publisher. That doesn't make it notable. Fagstein 05:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • The site is not just recognized (acknowledged) by the game publisher. The site itself recieves exclusive information, modifications, and tangible goods from the publisher. The publisher sent out packages to the administrators with exclusive memorabilia not available for purchase to the general public. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.54.146.210 (talk • contribs)

• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• This website is one of the best GTA websites out there, if not THE best. It was even in the game manual for the last 4 GTA's! Even Rockstar themselves loves this site! It definateally doesn't deserve to be deleted
  • —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazzocchi (talk • contribs) - user's first edit.
  • Reference for this? Google shows no hits for "GTAGaming.com" from the game publisher's official website. Fagstein 05:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Links for screens of the manuals coming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.54.146.210 (talk • contribs)

• Delete nn per nom.--Adam ^(talk) 05:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - non notable. Tawker 05:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• At least part of the content is a copyvio: [3]. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 05:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The only thing that exists that could possibly be a copyvio would be the rules, for which we have recieved permission from the Site Administrator Zidane (the network administrator, Shawn, has nothing to do with these rules.) As far as other GTA-relates sites are concerned, none recieve the same attention from the developer of the game that this particular website does. For instance: there is a character model in the game based off of the Site Admin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.54.146.210 (talk • contribs)
    • Can you provide some sort of source for this? Fagstein 06:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - non-notable sitecruft. Link to it from Grand Theft Auto if it's such a huge GTA-related site (unlike all the other great GTA-related sites) Fagstein 05:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete with laughable claim to notoriety below. Might still deserve link from GTA page since it is mentioned in the manual. Fagstein 15:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable. —-- That Guy, From That Show! ^(talk) 2006-02-09 06:51Z
• Delete has no significance other than its subject - link to it from the appropriate GTA articles Cynical 11:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Just to show how popular thsi site is here's a scan of the GTA:Vice City manual- http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7176/vicecitycredits4ht.jpg look under "Fansite Thanks" on the pink page. GTAGaming.com is right there
  • Comment: Cool. That's not notable, though. - CorbinSimpson 14:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Then why the extraneous request for it. It's beginning to seem that this whole deletion notion is nothing more than a mere joke and form of distraction.
• Delete per nom. Avi 15:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all the above. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 16:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• To be fair, the article does lack external links and references to prove its influence, and the scan posted earlier ([4]) is probably insufficient to use in the article. _{--User:UnKnown X (Talk)    16:17 - Feb 9 '06 (UTC)}
• Delete per nom Percy Snoodle 16:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable fansite.--Isotope23 18:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Still waiting for someone to explain how any of the material was copyvio. Under the established laws in place, and the policy of this website nothing, not a single charater in the article, was copyvio.
• Delete or merge a couple of sentences to Grand Theft Auto series, which already has an external link. Neither Google nor Alexa indicates the topic meets WP:WEB. The connection to the game's publisher doesn't make this worth its own article. No indication of any influence, or even interest, for anyone not a fan of the game. WP:NOT a web directory or gamers' guide. Barno 00:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete whether it's a copyvio or not. Fails WP:WEB by a mile. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Whether or not if fails WP:WEB, I think the people involved have a right to an explanation. You don't just pull an accusation of copyvio out of thin air and then have nothing to back it up. In addition I've found numerous web related wiki's that do not pass according to WP:WEB, yet they've been given the ok to stay up. Explain this please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.70.119.86 (talk • contribs)
  • Feel free to point these articles out on my talk page and I'll nominate them for deletion as well. Fagstein 01:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opiyo Okeyo

Whoops, I should've nominated this at the same time as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stellar Pictures. Subject's claims to fame are 1) editing a film that won an award I can't find, 2) getting two awards from his own university, 3) some kind of mention in a commercial website, 4) incorporating himself and 5) miscellaneous work on unnamed projects. Google reveals nothing other than that. Melchoir 03:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Royboycrashfan 03:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Kinu 03:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 15:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. However painful it is to vote against a fellow Luo tribesman, sorry, otino pacu tuye maber. --Ezeu 18:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted as repost - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 16:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hiccup fetishism

Delete - Seems non-notable, original research, or just a joke article. Zero google hits for "Hiccup fetishism" - note that at first it seems that "Hiccup fetish" gets 11,300 hits, but most of these are a single porn site - excluding that gets 767 hits [5], most of which are mentions in blogs, forums, or yet more porn sites. Mdwh 03:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, could be a hoax. Royboycrashfan 03:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. Now I've heard everything --† Ðy§ep§ion † 03:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- wtf? Reyk 06:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this nonsense. Marskell 08:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete boderline nonsense Avi 15:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jononation

Appears to be a nn web-forum/fanclub about a TV show.Blnguyen 02:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, vanispamcruftisement. Royboycrashfan 03:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --† Ðy§ep§ion † 03:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete J-rock needs you to delete this yo (I hope there are some trailer park boys fans here). Mike _{(T C)} 04:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete spas cruft Avi 15:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedily deleted by Wayward (csd a7). - Bobet 12:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dale Rutter

Vanity piece by user of the same name - a 16yr old up and coming politician.Blnguyen 03:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, vanity page. Royboycrashfan 03:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Is known for claiming to be known for a lot of things when in fact he isn't really known at all. (ESkog)^(Talk) 04:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete obvious vanityspam pschemp | talk 06:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy. Biography of a non-notable person. Reyk 06:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedily delete. CSD A7 ENCEPHALON 10:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as non-notable biography. Capitalistroadster 05:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Scott (Beat Jimmy Atkins in a Race 2000)

This should probably be a speedy, but I don't know that nn sporting events are speedyable.Blnguyen 03:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy A7. Royboycrashfan 03:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - Per Royboy, CSD A7, maybe even A1. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 03:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per Royboycrashfan or Lightdarkness. A7 or A1, whatever gets rid of it quickest. --Aaron 04:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: A1 and A7 per above. Tagged as such. --Kinu 05:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete (speedy deletion criterion A7). howcheng {chat} 19:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Neeleman

This subject does not appear to be notable, and garners 37 unique Google hits. [6] The article may also qualify as a speedy deletion candidate (CSD A7). Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, perhaps speedy A7. Royboycrashfan 03:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't trust articles created anonymously about public relations guys which make notability claims, it could be a self-promotion Ruby 03:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn. Blnguyen 04:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete {{db-bio}} Avi 15:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as above Tphi 15:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per nom. Dr Debug (Talk) 17:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as non-notable biography. Being the best gymnast in your school and a potential school captain is not an assertion of notability. Capitalistroadster 06:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philip McClenahan

Joke page. Seems like a student is making fun of another or it is a in joke or something like that. Anyway, joke. Forever young 03:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy, just a high-school athlete. Melchoir 03:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn bio Ruby 03:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not speedy nn bio but asserts to be a champion.Blnguyen 04:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy just a joke of a kid --Angelo 04:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frogpress.org Collaborative Journalism Project

Finishing AfD started by User:24.21.213.141, no reason given. Peyna 03:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - the anonymous user listed above has inserted the following text into the top of the article:

  Vanity Page--the owner of this website is also the author of this wiki. Other sites have seen similiar press releases hyping frogpress in recent days 24.21.213.141 03:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

No vote from me though. (ESkog)^(Talk) 04:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable. Fagstein 06:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Deletenn vanity nonsense. pschemp | talk 06:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I concur with the nominator, this is a clear case of AfD-worthy advertising. Delete --Agamemnon2 07:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable Avi 15:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nn, ad. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, blatant advertising. Bad ideas 06:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:31, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bunch Of Writers

Five relevant google hits for this forum to the best of my knowledge Ruby 03:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - nn-forum --lightdarkness ^(talk) 03:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Angelo 04:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 04:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn advertising for nn forum pschemp | talk 06:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Deleteagree with Ardenn et al nn advertisingVirtualSteve 14:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--み使い Mitsukai 14:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete nn, vanity, you name it Avi 15:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this per nomination,nn. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn.Blnguyen 00:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:33, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Richard_Strehle

Delete. This page is an obvious prank. There is no fighter named Richard Strehle with the credentials and fight history listed here. No fighter named Richard Strehle has ever fought in King of the Cage(Which has never been held in Philadelphia by the way. The article also indicates he's married to Ladanian Tomlinson, the NFL Running back. Drivel. 68.193.78.229 04:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails Google test with ~85 hits [7] (including Wikipedia entry and Answers.com mirror). Page contains false information (as noted by nom), fails to establish sufficient notability, and is most likely vanity. --Alan Au 08:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanity, nonsense. Sherdog.com has never heard of a fighter with a last name of Strehle. MLA 15:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: See here - he does seem to be a martial arts fighter? I don't think he's notable for Wikipedia, but I don't know the sport. -- Mithent 20:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: He may be a martial arts fighter, but numerous things in the article are clearly false beyond what is already mentioned. There is no Northeastern Martial Arts Association. Nor is there an East Stroudsboug State University. Also, Ritler Gracie is clearly a joke as all Gracie first names start with R, but are pronounced like an H. So the pronounciation of the name would be "Hitler Gracie". I'm also not aware of a Pennsylvannia Top Team, although there is a small chance it may actually exist. Finally, Mixed martial arts events are not legal in PA so the existence of a NMAA’s Philadelphia Fire 7 event is unlikely.
• Delete per nom. Avi 20:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nonsense.Blnguyen 00:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, sherdog.com has no listing for him, and has no record of him ever facing let along beating Stephan Bonnar as the page claims. Definite nonsense. VegaDark 08:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I've fought this slippery fellow on more than one occasion, and even went 52 rounds with him on a barge off Sao Paulo! He is a worthy opponent and a man whom the MMA world needs to learn more about. Don't be so quick to seize another man's legacy. I think your votes should be repealled unless you've actually stepped into a ring. RitlerGracie 20:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Obvious sockpuppet. The votes on this page were vandalised. I reverted to this version which is the last one that wasn't vandalised and it contains the sockpuppet vote from RitlerGracie. MLA 09:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. I reverted another fraudulent misrepresentation as above.Blnguyen 23:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as nn-bio. I've tagged it as such (and reverted the page while I was at it, which had been changed by the anon IP again). Turnstep 02:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete complete bollocks. Claims notability, even if it is clearly a hoax. I'd love to nuke it but probably shouldn't Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 00:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Genocide by Greeks in the Balkans

POV article with no sources Jacoplane 04:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - I should point out that I have blocked the author of this article for 48 hours. However, he seems to have circumvented his block, so he can comment here. Jacoplane 04:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Extreme delete. POV from the get-go. User:Zoe|^(talk) 04:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. political insanity, unverifiable. pschemp | talk 06:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- February 2006, article massacred. Reyk 06:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV infected. Blnguyen 07:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete of course. Title is by definition POV and it's impossible (and selective) to compile such a list. Also, I have a suspicion that many of the events listed there were Turkish genocides against Greeks. The Messolonghi incident certainly was. --Latinus (talk (el:)) 09:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete as above.--み使い Mitsukai 14:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Extreme POV (could this be a {{db-attack}}? Avi 15:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment POV is not a reason to delete; it may be a reason to rename. The solution to POV is to *edit*. I did a quick search on google "Missolonghi Turkish Massacre" and found several references (I don't know how credible) to an alleged series of massacres of Turkish people by the Greek independence forces. [[8]] (A Turkish source, but we don't discount German or Jewish sources related to the Holocaust, or Armenian ones related to that genocide.) See also [[9]] an ebook of unknown authorship but which reads on a quick scan as some reprint of a public domain item of the late 19th or early 20th century. Another Turkish source comes up on an obviously biased website "greekmurderers.com" [[10]]. So at least the point of view has been put forward that these massacres did indeed take place; there are probably conflicting accounts. I am not as well versed on the subject as others: could there have been such massacres? If so, then edit the article to make the cases pro & con & NPOV. If we delete the article are we saying that the alleged massacres did not happen or that they cannot be verified or that we as editors cannot be bothered to try to untangle the truth. Carlossuarez46 01:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unsalvageably POV, unless that's a Carlossuarez46 volunteering to edit it over the weekend? Stifle 09:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

  Comment not my area of expertise, but I just have difficulty with POV being a reason to delete; we have many articles here that are POV and have been flagged thus for months but there is no reason to delete them. There may indeed be 2 sides to this article, I just have difficulty with deleting something because the otherside hasn't (yet) been written up. Perhaps we can solicit someone with a pro-Greek bent to have at it. Carlossuarez46 17:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Completely POV. Aldux 11:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - made by Steven Banks/Blue sea, someone who in my opinion should be on hard ban. --Khoikhoi 00:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Van Dyke

• Delete Contestant appeared 10 times and won $52,000 on one of many revivals of a minor game show. This revival only lasted a year. The info on this page is already on the "Joker's Wild" main page. He hasn't achieved any sort of cult status per Google. Richfife 04:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as gameshowcruft. (Is that a word?) He's no Ken Jennings or Charles Van Doren. --Kinu 05:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete gameshowcruft is a word now. A mention in the main article is plenty, doesn't need own article. pschemp | talk 06:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn.Blnguyen 07:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with game show article Jcuk 10:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Joker... Joker... JOKER! The crowd goes wild! Delete, as non-notable and someone add "gameshowcruft" to urbandictionary.--Isotope23 19:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boo ya pictures

This is a hoax with a nice website to back it up. Ruby 04:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete. I disagree with Endomion - a) the article makes no assertion of notability and b) it is not an hoax - the website exists! - but that is all there is - a non-notable website. -- RHaworth 04:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Gosh, their first "feature" movie The Bobbsy Twins Save Passover doesn't show up on IMDB, so I still think it's a hoax. Ruby 04:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete with extreme prejudice. TheRingess 04:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all that is sacred. Brahm Kleinman (one of the "architects" of this major studio) is up for a speedy, so keep an eye on that too, since that should go too. Alexa rank for this joke: 2,032,941. For an unusually warm winter, that's a nice low! --Kinu 05:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn nonsensepschemp | talk 06:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this nonsense.Blnguyen 07:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for nn. The Bobsey Twins Save Passover? Whatever....--み使い Mitsukai 14:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete their "features" are actually Quicktime movies hosted on a free server Ergot 16:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Toss this drivel Avi 16:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I'm not convinced it's an actual hoax, but it's definitely not notable! -- Mithent 20:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete' please this looks like a hoax to me Yuckfoo 22:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable, hoax, whatever. No shortage of red links, either. Bad ideas 06:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• do not delete I believe this is quite a notable group which grows more and more each day in Montreal and will soon spread even further. Its definitiely legitimate and deserves to stay.
• Don't Delete Hey! This website is not a hoax. Their short's are funny and kind of in the spirit of the lonely island guys who are currently on SNL. I'm look forward to seeing their website grow and am excited to see some new sketches! Def Do no delete! Keep it up guys.

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Hoover

I think it should be kept, but many will disagree - best to settle it now. CrazyC83 04:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Eliminated too early to matter, and didn't probably won't have a "She Bang" type afterlife after his fifteen minutes of fame Ruby 04:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • It's too early to tell though...he only got eliminated about 3 hours ago (to TV viewers). CrazyC83 04:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks for telling me that, I'm not an Idol fan. Ruby 04:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for now, until he gets an album with the same guys who signed William Hung. I probably wasn't the only one who figured he was doing it on purpose for the 15 minutes... in which case, the clock shouldn't start with an article here. IMHO, he has done nothing to differentiate himself from other contestants who have made a fool of themselves and failed, other than doing it in Hollywood rather than at a city audition. --Kinu 05:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Didn't win so nn pschemp | talk 06:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete until he gets HUNG-ed.Blnguyen 07:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Kinu and Blnguyen. Hung first, Wiki later. --Aaron 07:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. He became known to millions, which automatically qualifies him for an article. Wiwaxia 07:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment And soon will be forgotten by millions, making him nn. pschemp | talk 07:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not notable enough. Elfguy 14:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Hopefully he will go on to further fame.
• Delete WP:NOT a crystal ball Ergot 16:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable enough Avi 16:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Dave may be the funniest person that has ever been on AI, but that doesn't qualify him for an article. He had his 3 minutes of fame. As Pschemp said, he will be forgotten.--Isotope23 19:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Dave doesn't deserve to be forgotten, he is the best thing that ever happened to American Idol. And anyway...he's the only one whose name I'll ever remember. The "talented" ones are the ones I remember by names like that fat guy, that scrawny dork, that loud woman and that other loud woman. Dave is loud, scrawny and the only "Idol" contestant I will ever acknowledge as talented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.121.54.106 (talk • contribs)
• Delete I believe that all that needs to be said about Hoover is already said in the American Idol (Season 5) article. -- MisterHand 05:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Should it be a redirect then, a la Rhonetta Johnson? CrazyC83 05:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Seems reasonable to me -- MisterHand 05:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not sure it even merits a mention in the Idol article. MLA 12:24, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No points. Mention in American Idol entry at best. Also, someone removed the AFD tags >_> Lunis Neko 09:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, millions of people can't be wrongwatch this show and know who he is. Would not be opposed to merging and a redirect however. Turnstep 02:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, I truly enjoyed Dave's performance and would love to see more, so I think he's definitely deserving of an article here. 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Consensus: Delete. Since there is nothing important not already mentioned on the Season 5 article, David Hoover should be made into a redirect to his article. CrazyC83 03:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. – Rich Farmbrough. 21:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crayola Box Theory

Fails Google test. Seems to be original research, if not a copyvio Fagstein 04:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• This article is written purely based on my personal thoery. There is no copyright violations, and you are correct in stating that this is original research, as it is based on my personal observations. The reason this is not on google is beacuse I have never before published my thoughts, and I believed that wikipedia would be an accepting place for new ideas -- User: DA_Scar 20:26, 11 February 2006
  • Hence, it's original research. See Wikipedia:No original research. Fagstein 04:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, Speedy if possible as contributor has admited article is original research. -Drdisque 04:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete per Drdisque Mangojuice 04:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Professors at my Univerisity (NYU) have encouraged me to publish this article at Wikipedia as a testing ground for a potential Senior Thesis that I will be writing. Please allow this article to stay up as I would appreciated feedback on this article, and perhaps help me to write a better thesis. This is not something I just made up, but is rather the fruit of months of careful reasearch, study and polling. Please allow it to stay.User: DA_Scar 20:26, 11 February 2006
  • Please move the article to your User page then. Your professor appears to be misinformed, in that Wikipedia is not for original research. Fagstein 04:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per DA_Scar's admission that it's a WP:NOR violation. Let me guess, Gallatin? --Aaron 04:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Whats the harm in allowing it to stay. I've seen articles on wikipedia that are still up that are completely fabricated. This article, however, is based on research, could you possibly allow it to stay up, as I believe people can benefit from this theory. I do not see the harm in allowing a well researched article to stay up on this site, if at least for a few more days. User: DA_Scar 21:13, 11 February 2006
• Delete (or userfy) per author's admission that this is original research. --Kinu 05:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• This article is based off conversations and documents I have read by leading experts in the field of pschyology and communications (human relations). It is not a random rant but a well reasearched and well thought out article. Please allow it to stay, I don't see the harm in allowing a well written, logical article to remain on this site. User: DA_Scar 21:19, 11 February 2006
  • I'll remind you aboutWP:NOR. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's a rant. And while you may not see the harm in leaving it up, that's no reason to violate Wikipedia policy. Besides, I don't see the problem in just moving it to your user page. Fagstein 05:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• How can I move this to my userpage. Sorry I'm pretty new to this. And can people still search it up even if its on my user page?DA Scar 05:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • You just did. Fagstein 05:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete now that it's been moved to user page. Fagstein 05:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this nonsense.Blnguyen 07:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy per above.--み使い Mitsukai 07:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete WP:NOR and author has moved it to user page {{db-author}} candidate Avi 16:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and I'm not convinced it is original research. I've heard variations of this idea going back at least 15 years. I have no idea if anything about this was ever published but my prediction is you'd never be able to prove this in any sort of clinical trial... It was BS psedoscience then and it is BS pseudoscience now. Regardless, it isn't WP:V in any case.--Isotope23 19:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. It's original research and completely speculative. -- Mithent 20:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Interesting but no. Original research doesn't belink on Wiki --† Ðy§ep§ion † 20:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. Coffee 06:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rabid Babies

Patent nonsense, meant to be funny, but not especially. Was given a prod tag earlier but author deleted it. Mangojuice 04:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Nuke off the database. Hoax, WP:BALLS, patent nonsense... where do I even start? Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 04:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Nonsense --lightdarkness ^(talk) 04:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete as G1 vio. --Aaron 04:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, do not move to BJAODN. User:Zoe|^(talk) 04:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Note the creator of this article has just now vandalized Mount St. Helens. -- Curps 04:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as patent nonsense and take appropriate measures against user for vandalism mentioned by Curps. --Kinu 05:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per Tito who said it best -- WP:BALLS. --Lockley 05:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Leadership of Mahatma Gandhi

Self-nomination: I the creator of this page nominate it for deletion. The following are my reasons:

(1) This article was created to curb the size of the main Mahatma Gandhi article - there is no specific chapter of Gandhi's life being tackled here (for example, there is a separate Military career of Hugo Chávez, but this article contains sections of generalizations and analysis of Gandhi's life).

(2) A lot of the data is mainly different perspectives and analyses of Gandhi - these should be dealt with in the main article. A lot of it is POV language, and there is a lot of fancruft present. All this contravenes Wikipedia norms.

(3) There should not be a major deviation from the main article, which is an FA. The existence of this article impedes the purpose of the main one.

Jai Sri Rama! Rama's Arrow 04:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete per G7. --Aaron 04:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - Authors request --lightdarkness ^(talk) 04:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: WP:CSD#G7 does not apply here as other editors have also edited it. --Gurubrahma 04:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: The other edits were very minor touchups; I think a G7 is still appropriate here. --Aaron 07:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I believe Rama's Arrow is planning to move relevant information to the main article itself. --Gurubrahma 04:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

To corroborate - Yes. Rama's Arrow 05:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy G7. Royboycrashfan 06:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The author in question is a very good contributor.Blnguyen 07:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. Author's wish. Other users/bot who contributed to the article made only minor edits. utcursch | talk 07:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete if the other edits to the article are just minor touch ups, a speedy is still appropriate. If in doubt, we can always ask them to come here and verify if they agree. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per above, tagged as such -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 06:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, it doesn't meet the speedy criteria because it appears the material was written by different people, just moved into this article, though correct me if I'm wrong. The topic is worthy, as a subtopic of an important person of being covered in it's own article. It is an important facet of the man. If it is POV, NPOV it. That said Rama's arrow, if you truly think there is nothing useful here after moving out what you want to keep, then delete is fine. - Taxman ^Talk 18:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 00:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Office Bearers of the National Union of Students of Australia

An enormous list of non-notable people. Why don't we just download the phone book? User:Zoe|^(talk) 04:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Individually many of the people may be non-notable (although a substantial number are notable, including 4 Members of Parliament and other prominent political figures), but the list as a whole is notable, as these are elected officials of a student body which has its own article. Furthermore, there are articles related to the various factions and student bodies, and this provides context as to how much of a role those student associations and factions have in NUS. Ben Raue (Talk) 05:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Note It's also information which, while not being made up, can't be found anywhere else. If this page is deleted there will be no place where a person can find information about who were NUS office bearers, which is very much relevant to the Australian student movement and a lot of people are interested in. Ben Raue (Talk) 05:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I fail to see the part where that becomes our problem. So you can't find the information elsewhere. Tough cookies, it's still inappropriate here and should be dealt with accordingly. Delete. --Agamemnon2 07:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, unless these individuals are notable in their own right. Admitting it can't be found anywhere else kind of makes it hard to verify, as well. This information should be on their website and not here. --Kinu 05:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Few of these people have yet achieved any notability in Australia. Capitalistroadster 06:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 06:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)"
• Delete per Kinu. Fagstein 06:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: The people in the list are not red linked so there is no undue claim of notability, though I do question if the list complies with Wikipedia:Verifiability if the information is not available elsewhere. --Martyman-(talk) 06:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. and offer it to their website. pschemp | talk 06:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment How do we offer it to their website after it's deleted? Is there a procedure for "moving" WP content to another site? - Synapse 22:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Most university students have no idea who thse people are - only 10% vote in student elections, and apart from the president - they are all unknwon even within their community.Blnguyen 07:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I would argue for Keep as it seems to be more significant than many other articles on the site and while many of the past office bearers are not notable now, it is only a matter of time before more are notable (although, speaking as one of the people mentioned in the article, I doubt I will be one of them) and Wikipedia will be seen as having anticipated their rise to power. --Roisterer 08:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment WP is not a crystal ball. pschemp | talk 08:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Did you even read the article? It's not about future people - it's a list of past members. Ambi 04:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete...maelgwntalk 11:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Information about the elected members of a national body is encyclopaedic. - Synapse 12:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It is a national organisation. I imagine some people will want to make use of it. But ask for verification. Tyrenius 12:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per arguments above. WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. Zunaid
• Weak Keep. Might be a national organization, but is going to need better justification than it has now if it's going to remain, by the looks of the opinions here.--み使い Mitsukai 14:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Next stop, Canberra phone book, stand clear of the closing doors Avi 16:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment many student leaders go on to become political leaders. but the NUS is not that relevant to ppl's lives - most students probly have never heard of it. --Sumple (Talk) 21:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • They have a substantial presence at RMIT, most students are familiar with them. (Clarify) with the organisation and what they do, although they don't know many of the people involved. - Synapse 22:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - none/very few of these people are significant by themselves, why should we have a list of them together? -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 06:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or slight merge. This list is of interest to a limited number of people and is potentially very large or indefinite in size. In other words, it is listcruft. Should be on their website. Stifle 09:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • It is of interest to plenty of people - it's particularly informative about the early careers of the quite a few people who have gone on to achieve significant success afterwards. It's also very definite in size - as the NUS has only existed since the late 1980s, it's nearly complete as-is. Ambi 04:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I've been thinking about this a bit since this discussion started. I understand people's concerns about this not being encyclopedic, and it is true that this list isn't. So it's alright that it gets deleted from Wikipedia. However, I've found that it's been very successful in getting people to add extra information which would never otherwise be compiled, and I attribute that to it being posted on a Wiki. So I was wondering if people have a recommendation for another Wiki that could be a useful host for such a list, so I can continue to work on adding to it? Ben Raue (Talk) 11:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Please don't take this elsewhere. It's perfectly suited to Wikipedia. Ambi 04:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I won't take it elsewhere unless it gets deleted. I was just trying to find a way that I can still work on it in Wiki form if Wikipedia won't have it. But yes, I'd much rather do it within the Wikipedia project. Ben Raue (Talk) 06:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
      • There's always a subpage in your user space, which people can still freely edit... i.e., something like User:Braue/NUSA Officers. I don't see any harm in keeping this there, as long as you don't link any articles to there (from is all right), or have any free use pictures there. --Kinu 06:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
        • • What on earth is the point of deleting a page which is likely to be a helpful reference source for a number of articles on very notable people, as well as an interesting read in its own right? Ambi 09:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's perfectly encyclopedic, and quite interesting. It's highly verifiable, as most of these people have received press coverage within their terms and since, and in terms of the national officebearers, quite a lot of press coverage. Quite a few of these people have gone on to notable success (particularly as MPs). Ambi 04:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Notability is not a deletion criterion. The article asserts its importance and its content is verifiable. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2006-02-12 10:17
• Keep. Standard practice on Wikipedia is to permit long lists of such data today. The information in this page is effectively a part of National_Union_of_Students_of_Australia. Were the article not to be kept the correct solution would be to merge the content into that article. However, if it were merged someone would just unmerge it right away due to the length. The long term maintance issues of such lists may someday result in their removal, but that isn't our practice today... and one by one AFD discussions isn't the right way to change the project's practices. --Gmaxwell 10:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per Gmaxwell. I'm still concerned about the size of the article, but it's very young, let's give it a chance to grow (in quality, not size) a little while yet. Turnstep 03:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, elected leaders of an important national body, and a large proportion are notable of themselves. I would normally vote merge, but considering the length, this should stay separate. --bainer (talk) 05:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Certainly needs some work, though. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 08:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I have thought about it a bit and read through other peoples opinions and have come to the conclusion that it can't hurt to keep it. --Martyman-(talk) 10:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gobi partners

Article admits it's an "early stage" firm, read "not notable yet" ... did I mention it was self-promotion created by "Gobivc" (aka Gobi Venture Capital)? Ruby 05:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable and WP:VSCA. --Kinu 05:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Fagstein 06:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn advertising pschemp | talk 06:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn. Blnguyen 07:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete corporate equivalent of {{db-bio}} or {{db-club}}. Avi 16:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete A7, non-notable company. -- Mithent 20:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. Bad ideas 06:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dime piece

This is a dictionary article at best. Vicarious 05:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, dicdef. Royboycrashfan 05:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable Urbandicdef. --Kinu 05:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, what Kinu said. ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 05:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, I'm not sure if nominator is even supposed to vote but just to be sure. Vicarious 05:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Can never be more than one line. pschemp | talk 06:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn slang.Blnguyen 07:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per Blunguyen. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 15:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 16:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, Wikipedia is not a slang dictionary. -- Mithent 20:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 15:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Star lighter

Delete, makes no real claim to notability Makemi 05:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, no assertion of notability. Royboycrashfan 05:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I also nominated Star Lighter Company under this, similarly no assertion of notability. Makemi 05:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete both per nom. Searching for media mentions beyond that provided in the article proved fruitless. --Kinu 06:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both Advertising pschemp | talk 06:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn ads.Blnguyen 07:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable Avi 16:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Clearly the case for keeping articles about piracy and counterfeit goods has already been made on this website. If Wikipedia admins and users can accept such articles as Modchip and Evolution-X, than why would the articles on Star Lighter Company and the Star lighter be considered for deletion...unless of course the individuals who have nominated these articles for deletion engage in piracy and have a vested interest in such. If not, shouldn't these other articles about intellectual property piracy also be marked as non-notable and submitted for deletion?

"The U.S. government estimates that piracy within China costs American companies $20 billion $24 billion dollars a year in damages. The assistant secretary said the effect of Chinese piracy on European and Japanese firms made the damage exceed $50 billion dollars annually. Lash listed diverse product areas where American industry and manufacturers were hurt by Chinese piracy: recent, new and unreleased DVD movies, Pfizer pharmaceuticals, Gorman-Rupp pumps from Ohio, Zippo lighters made in Pennsylvania as well as Calloway golf clubs and New Balance sports shoes." CelebritySecurity 17:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. That is a bizarre reason to keep. WP:NOT the FBI. pschemp | talk 18:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Are you suggesting the other articles dealing with piracy listed here also be deleted? CelebritySecurity 18:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment The articles you cite are about widespread technology used to violate others copyrights. Not about a single company making counterfeit products. Just walk down Canal St. in NYC any day of the week and you'll see that any one of these companies is probably not notable. The phenomenon is notable, and there are already articles such as Counterfeit and Trademark infringement to cover this. The above "keep" vote is by the author of the articles. Makemi 18:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment With respect, equating street-level DVD distribution with an international IP matter seems to be incorrect. I assume there are few retailers on Canal St. in possession of 750,000 counterfeit lighters.

"There is not one Zippo pocket lighter manufactured outside of Bradford, Pa. The company has spent $10 million protecting their rights in China, but where's the prosecution?" Lash asked. The assistant secretary said the Public Security Bureau was eager to prosecute a case against the Star Lighter Company of Wenzhou, Zhejiang province, which was caught red-handed with 750,000 fake Zippos, but faced resistance from the local Administration of Industry and Commerce." Strong Keep. CelebritySecurity 18:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment My point was that there are counterfeit Louis Vitton bags, Tommy Hilfigger clothes of all descriptions, Oakley sunglasses, basically anything with a strong brand has a knockoff there, and presumably many of these are coming from companies in China. I don't think each company which makes a specific knockoff is notable, unless aside from this it qualifies under WP:CORP. Also, please don't make it look like you're voting more than once. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if all the fake zippos on Canal street added up to 750,000. Makemi 19:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. While copyright piracy itself is a notable topic, individual pirates have to have some higher claim to notability than simply being pirates. —Cleared as filed. 19:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, I get about 100 emails a day for $100 Rolex watches, but that doesn't make the manufacturer notable.--Isotope23 19:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both, company is non-notable even if they are counterfeiters. -- Mithent 20:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• If one more reference can be provided, keep. If the UPI quote is the only one anyone can come up with, then even I'd have to vote delete. 750,000 Zippos isn't any more remarkable in the grand scheme of things than any of millions of crimes committed annually. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Yeah, so they make knockoff Zippos - lots of companies make knockoffs of everything every day. Assert some significance and I might change my mind. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 06:16, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: The "point" that this article should be kept because piracy is a notable issue is bogus; it's in the aggregate that such piracy is notable, not necessarily every individual company involved in it. More evidence of this particular company's notability is needed. *Dan T.* 00:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genocidal Saints

The title is inherently POV and invites anti-Catholic polemics Ruby 05:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Title is not specific to the Catholic Church, and invites anybody to list war criminals who have been officially recognized as 'saints' by an organized religion. M dorothy

• Then it's anti-Christian nonsense as Buddhist saints would be called boddhisatvas and Sufi saints are unlikely to ever come close to fitting. (Or even have articles)--T. Anthony 07:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oh, did these war criminals get convicted at The Hague or do we just assume they are guilty until proven innocent? Ruby 05:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• This isn't a response to the previous comment.

• Delete this useless, hopelessly POV article. To my knowledge, the exact concept of a "saint" only exists in Christianity... Grandmasterka 06:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: It just occurred to me that this would make a great name for a heavy metal band. Grandmasterka 09:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete this POV nonsense that cannot otherwise be cleaned up. --Kinu 06:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. Adrian Lamo ·· 06:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• We all know that burning people at the stake is, by modern standards, a war crime or crime against humanity.M dorothy

You should've called it "saints who committed war crimes" then. I'm not sure that'd work either, but "genocide" means trying to murder an entire group of people. Thomas More may have ideally wanted Protestantism to be gone from England, but I don't think murdering them all was his primary method. (His son-in-law was a reconvert from Lutheranism I think) I doubt Charles I would fit either, but if he would I'd assume it'd be against some American Indian people like Powhatan's or something.--T. Anthony 07:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• The primary article lists "saints" of many religions.M dorothy
• Speedy Delete as patent nonsense. --Aaron 07:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- Blatant POV crap. Reyk 07:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as inflammatory POV. Blnguyen 07:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Furthermore, Thomas More burning six people at the stake doesn't even qualify for a "genocide" unless those six were the last survivors or a significant fraction of an entire race of humans, which I doubt. Delete
• Delete Also do Anglicans really consider Charles I a saint? And where is Nicholas II of Russia?(Possibly the only person I can think of cannonized in any religion who may fit. Although there might be some other cannonized monarchs who fit)--T. Anthony 07:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not enough candidates for a start. How about Atrocities of religious figures instead. Tyrenius 13:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. While I agree with Grandmasterka that this would make an awesome name for a band, it does nothing but make for an inflammatory POV article as it exists now. Alternately, Tyrenius' suggestion works as well.--み使い Mitsukai 14:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete {{POV-title}} Avi 16:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep . Strongly notable, essential article for Main Page. --Westmills 16:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn neologism (given that the article attempts to define the phrase "Genocidal Saints" as meaning something other than "saints who have committed or attempted to commit genocide" and Google returns no hits for the phrase). "Genocide" and "war crimes" do not mean the same thing. Ergot 16:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. While quite a few saints acted pretty un-saintly this article isn't nothing by a rant. Pavel Vozenilek 21:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• I guess I have to concede that the title doesn't really fit the examples, and I can't come up with any truly genocidal saints (I'm sure there are some). Those who want to use this as a band name are welcome to it. If I delete the title from Wikipedia, I guess I'm also withdrawing it from the public domain, so you are free to slap a copyright on it. I am having trouble coming up with a short name that would better describe these Tainted Saints. "Atrocities of religious figures" would bring in thousands of popes, cardinals and whatever that engaged in war crimes, but were never made saints. It would also bring in the Protestants like Cromwell who did stuff that was just as bad, but, so far as I know, have never been declared "saints" by any religion.M dorothy

• "Saints who committed war crimes" is pretty long, and it suffers from the limitation that it seems to exclude crimes against humanity outside of war, which better describes the two examples I have listed. I have considered Nicholas II, who would be more of a war criminal. The Wikipedia article on him does not, however, mention anything about him that I would consider a war crime, so this has to wait until I do outside research.M dorothy
• Delete per nom. Even I can't imagine a way to salvage this one. Turnstep 03:30, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE as an attack page. JIP | Talk 09:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goh Kang Ning

Hoax or prank or personal attack. Possibly not speediable as it does make a (undoubtedly false) claim to notability. -- Curps 05:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - nothing there. Tawker 05:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy A6. Royboycrashfan 06:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: A6 as a personal attack, and a lame one at that. --Kinu 06:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy. Nonsense pschemp | talk 06:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as attack page. Adrian Lamo ·· 06:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as above.Blnguyen 07:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per Adrian and all above. Nuke with extreme prejudice. --Aaron 07:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suzy Sachs

Notability appears to be somewhat questionable. IMDB entry ([11]) shows that whoever wrote the article probably inflated her involvement in projects, as vandalous anon pointed out. Mild delete. --Nlu (talk) 05:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails WP:V. --Aaron 07:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as above.Blnguyen 07:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as above.--み使い Mitsukai 15:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 16:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is my first post... heard about this little dialogue with anymous (IR). anonymous isn't as anonymouse as he thinks. he is however bent on harassing and slandering while trying to hide the truth about who he is. His information is not accurate. Check out these direct SOURCES NOTING SUZY SACHS AS DIRECTOR AND CREATOR OF GLORY DAZE.

http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?ID=120203 http://www.crystallizeyou.com/resumes/actingresume.pdf http://dp.dynamicfilms.us/ http://www.jillev.com/http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:A_5Y72NpsyQJ:www.crystalizeyou.com/resumes/actingresume.doc+%22suzy+sachs%22+glory+daze&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9Resume.htm --SuzySachs 08:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Think you should declare an intrest here Suzy! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Talk!) 08:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - and we should look at the article on her husband as well. Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Talk!) 08:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Good resume material, but not enough here to satisfy WP:BIO and I can't find enough to corroborate these claims from independent, trusted sources elsewhere on the Web. I see a hint of vanity here as well. On the bright side though, if her userpic was taken anytime recently, she can console herself with the fact that she had 5 children and still looks damn good. That's gotta be worth something.--Isotope23 18:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 15:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Choi Professionals

Delete - Seems to be part of an edit war over the Jung Sin Yuk-Do entry, and one side put this up to slap the other side, which really isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia. There are too many 'he did this' and 'he didn't do that but should have' lines; also, it links several times to the same martial arts entry, so I wonder about this entry's importance. ddlamb 09:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Unless there's a substantial article left over following removal of the POV stuff Ruby 15:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails Google test with 43 hits [12], of which 2 are links to the Wikipedia entry. --Alan Au 08:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as attack page. --Nlu (talk) 10:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was boldly redirected to Bald Eagle State Forest. Aaron 07:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bald Eagle State Forest, Pennsylvania

Delete dublicate article —Preceding unsigned comment added by VerruckteDan (talk • contribs)

• Speedy G7. Royboycrashfan 06:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete nominated by author. Fagstein 06:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Bald Eagle State Forest as possible search terms--み使い Mitsukai 07:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I went and Boldly redirected it. This can be closed now.--み使い Mitsukai 07:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gheye

Wikipedia is not a dictionary; not for things made up in school one day. Ikkyu2 06:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete no plausible reason to keep; unencyclopedic . Adrian Lamo ·· 06:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Reyk 07:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Give it to urbandictionary.com. --Aaron 07:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as above.Blnguyen 07:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Article evidences eponymity Avi 16:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Childish slang. --† Ðy§ep§ion † 19:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination, kiddie slang. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not Urbandictionary. -- Mithent 20:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I agree and apologize. This was my mistake. unencyclopedic . User:Frenchpress 12:10, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Since nobody else except the author above has edited the article, I've tagged it as a speedy delete under G7. Any admins around? Turnstep 03:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• If we weren't already sending ghey to Wiktionary, I would have suggested this as a redirect. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 08:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Article greatly improved over the course of the Afd. Current content clearly establishes this person as historically significant. Friday (talk) 04:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] V. Kalyanasundaram

Probably another speedy deletion candidate, but I would like to bring this before AFD, just in case. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Nuke it does not establish notability except as clear fancruft ... i'd have speedied this under A7 myself.  ALKIVAR™ 07:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete vanity and POV. Elfguy 14:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems to be a noted Tamil scholar based on some google research on "Thiru V. Kalyanasundara Mudaliar" [13] [14] Seems to have some type of academic award named after him as well. Avi 16:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • For an article to contain a sentence like To sum up, the Tamils are what they are now mostly because of Dr. U.V. Swaminatha Iyer it better has sources. This article has none at all. Elfguy 18:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I added one source and categorized the article. It needs cleanup but seems to be a keeper. -- Avi 20:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep A noted and highly respected scholar within South India. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 17:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --HasNoClue 22:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Siva1979. Blnguyen 00:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no notability established. Stifle 09:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Notable. Notability was established. See the external link. The Hindu is a reliable source. Needs cleanup. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep There is a Thiru Vi Ka Industrial estate in Chennai, I believe it is named after the same person.--Raghu 03:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong Keep Deleting this would be analogous to deleting a badly-written stub on William Hazlitt. I should very much hope that stubs about non-Europeans won't be marked for speedy deletion simply because someone hasn't heard of them. -- Arvind 23:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Appears to be a notable person (certainly not vanity, considering that he's not living)...it might need more sources though. Ardric47 03:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong keep. I completely agree with Arvind's comment above. I was deeply pained to see User:Alkivar's comment above. I would also urge those who voted "delete" on account of perceived non-notability to reconsider their vote after seeing this and other references added to the article. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 05:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Bulldoze it...no notability established...and some obscure guy... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.28.6 (talk • contribs)
  • Do not feed the trolls. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 04:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 00:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Princess durr-e-shevar

This could possibly be turned into a page, but would require a total re-write. Is she even notable? Anabanana459 07:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Google pulls up nothing but another WP page. Fails WP:V. --Aaron 07:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unverifiable, non-notable vanity, most probaly hoax. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 11:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No sources for a start. Tyrenius 13:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep and rewrite. 109 hits in Google, and seems to be tied to children's hospitals and similar causes. However, based on the hits it's hard to tell if this is the same person. If it can be confirmed, then my suggestion stands. Otherwise delete.--み使い Mitsukai 15:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Princess Hadice (Khadija) Hayriye (Khayriya) Ayshe (Ayesha) Dürrühsehvar, daughter of Sultan Abdul Majeed Khan II of Turkey, the last Khalifa of The Muslim World, was raised to succeed her father but never did due to the takover of Turkey by Kemal Ataturk. She has a number of institutions named after her Durru Shehvar Children's & General Hospital in Hyderabad, PRINCESS DURRU SHEHVAR JR.COLLEGE FOR GIRLS, DABEERPUR, Princess Durru Shehvar College of Nursing. Bound to have few Ghits given her birthdate of 1914 and nationality. There's a photograph at [15] - also at [16] but it's very slow. Definitely needs a cleanup of the article. Dlyons493 Talk 20:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep & cleanup. Crypticfirefly 05:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep & cleanup. You can find her obituary at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/11/db1102.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/11/ixportal.html Dpd 23:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Examine the following articles about her: [17], [18], [19], [20]. Jungli 22:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment Original version of article was a copyvio from the last URL. Hence, the article needs further tidying-up Dlyons493 Talk 18:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 00:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pulp and Paper Merit Badge

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. This page is a how-to guide to getting to the badge. Wikipedia is also not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. The article is, for the most part, just a list of links. — Scm83x ^talk 07:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete per nom. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 07:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per my arguments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting#Pulp and Paper Merit Badge. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 07:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. If this article is decided to be notable and kept, it may be time for the members of the Scouting Wikiproject to decide on a standard we should follow in creating articles of this kind. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 21:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Response. This is where I totally agree. What would be everyone's preference for documenting this type of information, namely: image, history, topic covered, relationship to society and culture, statistics, etc.? I am completely open to this type of discussion. A suggestion (below) is to merge with Merit Badges, but that would make a REALLY big article, perhaps unwieldly. Maybe it makes sense to group them in some other way. Ideas? NThurston 22:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I agree, but someone keep a copy of it for possible use on WikiBooks. --Bduke 07:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I now think this should be kept, after the editor has made significant changes. --Bduke 21:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and a how-to guide. This is an encyclopedia, for goodness sake. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 10:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Go and buy the scouts manual if you want a badge Mike _{(T C)} 14:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep The article does seem to have more history of the badge, and since scouting is such a huge part of north american culture, it would be wise to keep this. Maybe one day after scouting had evolved and the history lost, we can look back at some scouts uniform, and be able to identify the various badges? Mike _{(T C)} 20:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Older Boy Scout Handbooks are perfectly good resources for identifying old badge designs. There are also various lists out there as to when badges were added, revised, or had their names changed. While such things may be interesting, especially for the Eagle-required badges, I don't think that either bits of data are alone sufficient to make a given article notable. That the rest of the article is POV rambling, listing of badge requirements, and a list of weblinks doesn't help. My vote does not change. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 22:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I also think that we should consider merging data into the main Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America) article. Granted, the table is hardly sufficient at this point, but take a look at some of the fleshed out lists at Wikipedia:Featured lists. This article will inevitably remain short, and I'm not a big fan of seeing hundreds of individual and short merit badge articles. I think that we should merge some of the information there, and drop some of the more trivial facts such as the paragraphs dealing with individual topics. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 22:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Strong Keep NThurston 15:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC) The original AfD was posted in the middle of developing the site, when I had simply started creating a skeleton for a much more meaningful article. As I have continued work, I have incorporated the few positive suggestions listed above. The current page still needs some work (like many an article) but is dramatically different than the article at the time the AfD was posted. Here are some specific responses to the concerns listed above:
  • How-to guide to getting to the badge. This is inaccurate. There is nothing on the site that tells a Scout how to earn the badge, except for a link to the requirements, which are common knowledge. The site (in current form) is a description of the merit badge and what its goals and purposes are. It is clearly information about the merit badge itself.
  • List of links - Many articles start by cataloging what is already known. I was in the process of developing the site and had collected a list of related articles and links. Due to some positive comments, the direction of the article was changed to comply with Wikipedia policy, and the links are now used in a more appropriate fashion.
  • Go and buy the book - Seems counterintuitive that anybody would want to take information off Wikipedia because some of it is already available in a book somewhere.
  • Eventually, one would expect that other information about the merit badge itself - history, changes, impact, etc. would appear on this page. This will be of interest to many users, especially those that are involved in collecting patches, etc.

Before I knew the proper protocol for resolving AfD requests, I removed the AfD tags on the article. They have been restored thanks to a kind note from jergen and I am hopeful that the current article is more consistent with what Scouters would expect to see. By the way, as a newcomer, I was expecting a little more civility and cooperation than I received from the deletionists above. See "what the community is not" and | Please do not bite the newcomers.

• Comment. This nomination does not fit the criteria for speedy keep; let it run its course. I also don't understand why you are accusing everyone above of being uncooperative deletionists. Please be civil yourself. We're not here to "bite," so I don't understand why you're getting so defensive. Questioning an subject's notability is standard practice on Wikipedia, and you will not get anywhere if your temper flares. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 21:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment I think it does/did meet Speedy Keep because the inital AfD was based on an unfinished article (clearly a misunderstanding). Notice that some people have changed their positions now that they have seen the whole article.

Point well taken on the temper. Not everyone is a conspiratory deletionist, just a couple, at most. I have calmed down considerably since yesterday. I was referring to some of the insensitive and and inflammatory (to me) remarks (for example, "After all, how much is there to say about the merit badge? Information about pulp and paper already exists in various articles. Lists of requirements don't belong on Wikipedia. Merit badge pamphlets don't belong on Wikipedia.") that were meant to torpedo the page right off the bat without any regard given to an attempt to improve or fix it. I think those are squarely the types of things that are referred to in the "don't bite" article. I understand the need for people to patrol against random or wacky new stuff, but it seems necessary for the established users to welcome and guide newcomers rather than just jump on an unfinished page and suggest deleting it. Now we've got that cleared up, I am pleased at the level of debate on what this page should look like if it is to stay a part of Wikipedia. I am still thinking about wikibooks, but haven't even figured wikipedia out yet. I think we are now to the point where we can disagree about whether there is enough value in a particular topic to keep it on Wikipedia, but those are the types of disagreements where we can "agree to disagree." NThurston 22:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Since this thread is starting to ramble away from the point of this discussion, I've moved the response to his talk page. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 23:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Perhaps reading the Guide to deletion might be helpful for NThurston. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 22:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I've been spending a lot of time there recently, which was required to separate out the useful comments from the inflammatory remarks. NThurston 22:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --jergen 17:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, limited interest to non-Scouts. Wikipedia is not Scoutopedia.

Stifle 09:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• • Commentthe above delete rationale is nonsense. One could say the same thing about almost any article. Rlevse 02:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I am in favour of all NPOV information. LARS 15:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's not a how-to guide, and it was somewhat interesting to know there was such a badge. -- Mithent 16:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but reduce the number of links. The topic is encyclopedic, the problems are editorial problems that need to be fixed. Johntex\^talk 17:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Not how-to. Content is encyclopedia worthy, and I found it interesting. Would be OK with more merit badge pages. Mathboy965 02:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I think these mb articles should provide a history of the badge itself, give a general overview of the topic, and provide wiki and web resources the Scouts could use to earn the MB. It should not be a mere collecting point, nor should it replace the MB pamphlet. As it stands at this moment, this article just needs some formatting and fleshing out. Rlevse 02:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC), Scouting Project and Portal coordinator
• Keep for now. I cleaned up the article quite a bit, and trimmed out a lot of the "how to" and the completely unnececssary list of links from the bottom. It still needs more work, in particular, the "See also" section can probably be removed. For the record, I thought it was a thinly-disguised how-to page. Turnstep 03:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm happy with the current state of the article and find it contributes well to Wikipedia. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 08:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deletion. enochlau (talk) 13:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amita Chudasama

Non-notable. 26 Google results. Delete. See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mira Chudasama. utcursch | talk 07:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete under CSD-A7 (non-notable biography). --Alan Au 08:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as CSD-A7. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 10:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, A7. Tagged. PJM 12:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 11:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Worship sampler

Vanity article writen by band member of unnotable band. Article created by a user that only adds to wikipedia on pages related to Prays -- also up for deletion.[21] Same user is the only one to edit this page and the only editor to contribute information on pages related to the band. The pages connected to the band Adam Woeger, Paul Guffey, In The Garden (Prays), Where He Leads Me, Living For Jesus, Very Christmas, Only Believe, Spontaneous Worship, In Your Presence, and Worship sampler are also up for deletion. Every single edit that adds information is the same user on every page linked here. Even the Category "Prays albums" is created by that user. This is pure vanity and self-promotion. A google search ("Adam Woeger" prays)--that is the singer/main member-- brings up 150 hits. Includes other unnotable/local bands Elisha's Request and Cynthia Paap, also up for deletion. Arbustoo 22:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 22:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; self-promotion. --keepsleeping slack off! 23:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per everything else in this flock of afd's. Adrian Lamo · 23:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete We don't have articles on samplers, unless they're rare material by a megastar. --kingboyk 02:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete cruft. Merge the AfDs please Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 10:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete vanibandcurftspamvertisment. RasputinAXP _{talk contribs} 15:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a catalogue.Cactus Wren 07:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as vanibandcruftspamvertisment. This is totally nonsense, please do not promote your band here, do it elsewhere. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 09:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete per CSD A7.--Alhutch 17:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Guffey

Vanity article for unnotable musician. A google search for "Paul Guffey" brings 331 hits including personal pages and this one. Article created by a user that only adds to wikipedia on pages related to Guffey's band Prays -- also up for deletion.[22]] Same user is the only one to edit this page and the only editor to contribute information on pages related to the band. The pages connected to the band Adam Woeger, In The Garden (Prays), Where He Leads Me, Living For Jesus, Very Christmas, Only Believe, Spontaneous Worship, In Your Presence, and Worship sampler are also up for deletion. Every single edit that adds information is the same person on every page linked here. Even the Category "Prays albums" is created by that person. This is pure vanity and self-promotion. A google search ("Adam Woeger" prays)--that is the singer/main member-- brings up 150 hits. Arbustoo 21:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Arbustoo 21:56,

Add speedy tag. Arbustoo 02:15, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --kingboyk 02:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 17:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per well-reasoned nominnation. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 10:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete of the whole mess. --Aaron 07:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per nom and also as vanity. --08:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per nom. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 09:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sony_Ericsson_K800

Delete This page should be deleted because all of this information has no real source apart from people's imaginations. All of the specifications and information given is useless and the name K800 may not even be used for the naming of the model. The K800 is only a rumour and has not been confirmed by Sony Erisson or anyone for that matter, except for a few photoshopped pictures floating around on the internet. In short, this page is basically what a collection of people THINK the phone will be. I repeat THINK. Shaliron 07:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete. While it seems likely that a product called the k800i will eventually be released, the information currently contained on the page is not verifiable. I might be placated if the page were just a stub, but probably the better solution is to simply delete it now, and recreate it later once official details are released. In the meantime, WP:NOT a crystal ball. --Alan Au 08:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete I'd like to say keep it, but the information isn't quite certain enough to warrant doing so. Delete for now, recreate when details confirmed Kcordina 10:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Terence. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete can't find this model number on any gadget site. Elfguy 14:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as speculaytion.Blnguyen 00:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:NOT a crystal ball. Bad ideas 06:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete true, speculation everything. But then again there are many articles in an encyclopedia wich describe a myth wich had an impact on a community. But you are right, the article doesn't describe the impact, the special situation in the Sony Ericsson community. Err please don't tell me you couldn't find any k800 articles on any tech site :-) A new wikipedia article would be written at the day of the official announcement anyway. rigelt 19:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 04:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motion Interactive Media

This is a subtle advert for a product sold by the original author's company. Initial attempt at PROD was removed by author, who subsequently inserted two images of said product prominently featuring company name in one of them. Wikilinks to this article have been added to Human-computer interaction, Interactivity, gesture recognition and new media, which I've subsequently removed. Delete as advert. Zunaid 07:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Note to closing admin: Entry on the MIM disambig page as well as the two images in the article should also be considered for removal if this page is deleted. Zunaid 09:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Aaron 07:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. User warned to stop removing AfD tag from pages. --Alan Au 07:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--み使い Mitsukai 14:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 20:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.Blnguyen 00:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. moink 19:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic conflict in India

After much careful thought and looks at the pages that this links to, I think this page should be deleted for these reasons: 1.It is a glorified list, the stuff it talks about is better explained on the pages it links to, which are themselves well-linked. 2.There are no articles like this for any other country. 3.The page is very incomplete and poorly done, and seems to have a little trouble deciding what an "ethnicity" is. It has been tagged for cleanup sine April 2005 and no-one's really done anything about it. Please consider getting rid of this page. Grandmasterka 07:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom for all of the specific reasons listed above, but particularly because of reason 1. --Alan Au 08:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete Could be a useful article with LOTS of work by a knowledgeable person, but I can't see that happening and in the furrent form, delete Kcordina 11:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--み使い Mitsukai 14:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep India is a very populated country which has had many ethnic problems that are very important to it's history. This article provides links to the main articles of the conflict but can use a lot of help. It can be a very useful article.--a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 20:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Ain't all countries are populated? Sorry, I should be chastised for this. --Ezeu 21:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Ezeu 13:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Avi 20:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• 'Keep and cleanup --HasNoClue 22:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: If we have to keep this eyesore, those who voted "keep" should be willing to do some work on it, it's in as sorry a shape now as it was four years ago. Grandmasterka 05:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment seems more like religious conflict than ethnic; I was expecting to see some references to the insurgent movements in the North East, some discussion of Kashmir, but lack of completeness is not a reason for deletion either. Carlossuarez46 18:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• With regard to that, I'm just saying that very little has been done to improve it since it was created all the way back in 2002, which tells me it's always going to be mediocre at best. But there are plenty of other reasons to delete it, as stated in the nomination. Grandmasterka 11:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted by Jacoplane

[edit] List of Electronic design services companies

commercial spam, off topic. Tawker 07:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elwood79

Obvious vanity page, created by a Finnish retired electronic musician over a week ago, then abandoned. The author only ever edited this article and Elwood, to add a link to this article. While the article establishes some notability, I think he's not notable enough by far. I'm both Finnish and an ex-Amigan and have never heard of him. If the article is not deleted it should be severely cleaned up and wikified as it currently reads more like a fansite than an encyclopedia article. "Elwood79" gets 376 Google hits and "Jussi-Matti Salmela" gets 41. Both of these might include false hits from other similarly named people. Delete. JIP | Talk 08:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 08:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanity. Elfguy 14:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable enough without further proof Avi 20:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 01:00, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Balvanyos

An ad for a spa in Transylvania, not likely to be notable. Delete. Grandmasterka 08:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep but rewrite, removing by far the most of the details. Spas and hotels are generally notable, and "Balvanyos + spa" gets over 76000 Google hits. The current contents are blatant advertising, though. JIP | Talk 09:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Would you consider doing the rewrite yourself? If not please consider whether voting to keep, rather than delete, the article currently serves Wikipedia better. Zunaid 13:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I tried to, but all Google hits for "Balvanyos" turned out to be some kind of hotel booking sites. One of those I tried didn't even find hotels in the same country - the nearest was in Italy. I could, of course, simply remove all the advertising, but that would only leave the first paragraph, which would only tell where Balvanyos is and not establish any notability. Even the Romanian Wikipedia doesn't have an article about this. I'm changing my vote to weak delete. JIP | Talk 18:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm changing my vote again to keep as rewritten by Grutness. Thanks! JIP | Talk 08:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless rewritten, blatant ad. Far too many articles survive AfD on "keep and rewrite" without the rewrite subsequently taking place. Will gladly change my vote if article is rewritten before this AfD closes. Otherwise it could always be recreated later in a much better form. Zunaid 13:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Would like to change vote to keep following Grutness' excellent rewrite, however notability now seems like a major concern. There is nothing in the article to indicate importance, thus there is no support for it's being kept. Weak delete unfortunately. Zunaid 08:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as advertisement. Elfguy 14:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete advertising Avi 20:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Such a shame. Balvanyos seems like a very notable place in Romania, and if someone could write a good Wikipedia article, then it would definitely deserve a place in Wikipedia. Unfortunately, it seems no one can, not me anyway. I only heard about the place when I saw this AfD. Maybe in summer I'll buy a travel guide, maybe even actually go to the damn place. It'd be my first time in Romania and all that. It's just so damned hard to find out anything about Balvanyos except how to book hotels there. JIP | Talk 22:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I've tidied it up and removed the infotainment quotient. Looks like a reasonable basis for a real article now. Grutness...wha? 23:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as rewritten by Grutness. Well done to hime for the rewrite. Capitalistroadster 23:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Great job on the rewrite by Grutness. Crypticfirefly 05:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as non-motable biography. Capitalistroadster 11:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shawn Kilmer

Twice in the past 24 hours, there were speedy tags on this article that were both removed. I'm now trying to settle this issue by bringing this to AfD. Notable or not? SoothingR 08:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. No, he's not notable enough. Aside from starting a website, which thousands of people have done, his only real claim to fame is releasing a Windows shareware game, whose article is only linked from this article. JIP | Talk 09:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per JIP. –Sommers ^(Talk) 09:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was: Speedily deleted - Mike Rosoft 21:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh oh's

This is original research and a neologism, and more things when I can think of them Ruby 05:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

This was previously nominated and then replaced with the "prod" template. Because the proposed deletion is evidently contested, I'm re-listing it here with Ruby's original nomination. –Sommers ^(Talk) 09:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. –Sommers ^(Talk) 09:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. KrazyCaley/That's Krazy Talk 12:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non sense. Elfguy 14:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom MLA 17:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Reyk 19:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete This is nonsense. alcohol or other-cause induced amnesia is NOT called tghe "oh-oh"s any more than forgetting where you put your car keys. Uh oh or Oh Oh is a human expression of concern, not the drivel in this article. Avi 20:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nude yoga

This seems to be partly an advert for a yoga group in Manhatten, and partly a random list of people who have practised yoga in the nude. Its completely non-encyclopaedic in style, and I don't really see how what can be encyclopaedicly said about peforming yoga in the nude is more than a passage at most in the Yoga and Nudity in sport articles. Thryduulf 09:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as advertisement. As Thryduulf says, if there is anything important to be said about nude yoga, it can be said in existing articles. –Sommers ^(Talk) 09:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as advert and unencyclopedic. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 09:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete This article does not seem to be about more than a single group of nude yoga enthusiasts and not really enought for an encyclopedia article. Martin-C 14:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It's an ad. There's no place for it here. --† Ðy§ep§ion † 19:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as ad. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Vanispamadbertcruftgarbagedisposalunitthrowitoutorwhatevertheflavorofthemonthforcomplaintsare Avi 20:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; Adv, Strip it down Celcius ^(Talk) Wiki be With us! 23:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Super Strong Delete this nonsense/garbage/bad joke.Blnguyen 00:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• BJAODN seems to be the right place. Stifle 10:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment -- seems to be a real phenomenon -- one of the altweeklies in Boston did an article on it a couple of months ago. On the other hand it seems to be very sub rosa. More research may be called for. Haikupoet 04:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• DELETE NOW, BETTER ARTICLE NOW EXISTS: naked yoga This page now has no essential info that the naked yoga page doesn't now have, Dandelion1 00:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Jacoplane 10:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kuh Ledesma

Author seems to be editing in bad faith, creating article with POV tag. Jacoplane 09:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Nevermind, it was a copyvio from [23] anyway. Jacoplane 10:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedily deleted by Wayward (csd r1). - Bobet 12:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rich Desktop Application

redirect to deleted page. speedy delete Sleepyhead 10:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Speedied. Kcordina 11:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Athletic client

Not notable. Newly coined term using wikipedia to gain acceptance. Sleepyhead 10:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 10:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. Elfguy 14:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Flapdragon 16:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable neologism Avi 20:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cybersist

Not notable. under 1000 google hits. Advertising. Sleepyhead 10:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable, possibly advert Kcordina 10:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn and advertisement. Elfguy 14:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above --† Ðy§ep§ion † 19:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Advertisement Avi 20:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete advertisement, Bad ideas 06:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC).

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Although the notvote-counters should note that Gwernol has notvoted twice, the points made by the keepers are enough to mean that a numeric two-thirds isn't enough here. I don't think the present version is a copyvio; at least, Google doesn't pick it up. -Splash^talk 20:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Worsley Works

Spam page eLNuko 10:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as spam. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 10:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:CORP, possibly linkspam and also copyvio of their website Kcordina 10:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep an article about a company isn't necessarily an advertisement, it all depends how notable the company is. From front google hits it seems to be notable in their field at least. Elfguy 14:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• How does this page offend when you can have a page about McDonald's
• Keep I agree with Elfguy, this company is notable in their field: they are a significant supplier of kits to model railway builders. The page does need work and it was apparently added by the owner of the company, but I believe it is better for the Wiki community to improve this page than simply delete it. Worsley Works are a major kit manufacturer and deserve an entry. Gwernol 16:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete Seems to be known among model train enthusaists, but does not, at least to my limited searching, seem to stand out more than any of the other modelers. Needs to show more evidence of notability. Note: Just because the author of an article has much to do with that article (be it about the person or their company) does not automatically make it vanity; just 94.28% of the time. Avi 21:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A couple more points (sorry): Worsley Works have been written up in several of the modeling journals (for example, "Sixteen Millimetres Today" and "Railway Modeller", I can dig out specific issues if required) so clearly do meet the criteria of WP:CORP. Second if we want to be encyclopedic then I'd suggest we do want to include manufacturers like Worsley and others of note. In fact that's what I intend to do (given time...) from the list at the end of 16_mm_scale.

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. – Rich Farmbrough. 21:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danny Quilty

Non-notable rocker. Author has removed deletion tags a couple times. Delete. Grandmasterka 10:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Non-notable musician. Capitalistroadster 11:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 11:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)"
• Delete. --Roisterer 11:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. PJM 12:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Reason: I am just his brother, trying to do a favour for him to get some info on the net...its not a pisstake. Helview 10:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I added a {{prod}} tag earlier because I found no evidence whatsoever for the claims of massive influence. Unverifiable. Probably a real guy but not notable. --Spondoolicks 13:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Danny's brother, Wikipedia is not a soapbox, and musicians should meet certain criteria unless they're a very special case indeed, which your brother appears not to, yet. Best of luck in his continuing career and if he ever does meet the criteria please do put up an article. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanity. Elfguy 14:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - nn per above. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 15:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:MUSIC. --Kinu 17:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Google searching on "Danny Quilty" and Berowra gives 0 results [24] To me, this implies that either this is a hoax, or that the subject is completely non-notable. So, without further corroberation, it should be {{db-bio}} and tagged as such. Avi 21:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. moink 19:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of ham radio

Appears to be abandoned by its creator. As it stands, it contains too little content, I think, to survive as a stub. Mild delete. --Nlu (talk) 11:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with Amateur Radio. KrazyCaley/That's Krazy Talk 12:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I think Amateur Radio covers it well enough. PJM 12:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Amateur Radio. Lbbzman 16:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Keep based on Anonym1ty's expansion. Lbbzman 18:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Expand Which I did. As they say, be bold. The whole reason this article was started is because of the amount of info in the Amateur radio article was making the article too heavy, and I (and others) don't believe that Amateur radio was covering this adequately. the whole problem was that we would keep getting more and more theories that were not true in the Amateur radio article. All the article says now is that the origins are obscure. People want to know more and this article as a stand alone article is the only way we can assure the integrity of the Amateur radio article. These theories were part of the problem with taking up too much space. There are many many other theories that can be added to expand this article. The AfD should now be removed. Anonym1ty 17:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Expand I agree. There is so much more that can be put on this page. I, for one, would like to see more here rather than less. --66.93.197.187 18:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Expand - Anonym1ty has done a fine job adding to the article and the AfD note needs to be removed. Just what is the policy on "nominating" a candidate for deletion? This article was barely 3 weeks old before someone decided it had to go. There are many articles that haven't been touched in 21 days but that doesn't mean they need to be deleted!! -- N5UWY/9 - plaws 20:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and continue to expand. Clearly able to survive as an article. Adrian Lamo ·· 21:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This article is going to have a lower standard for inclusion of information since it is so speculative a topic. Having it inamateur radio would cause information that is highly speculative to be in an article that is very different. Having two articles would allow an editorial standard appropriate to each article. Also this article could carry a lot of information that would unbalance the size of each subsection of amateur radio if it were there. Kd4ttc 22:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I wish I had had more time after creating the article to expand it, but I am a fourth year B.Sc. student and my time is very limited when midterm exams loom (the last of which I have to write in 2 hours time.) I stronly agree that this topic should remain independent of the Amateur radio article. Instead of AfD, this article should carry a warning about it's speculative nature (although this could also be accomplished in the introductory paragraph. --Andrewjuren 21:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash^talk 20:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ProgressSoft

Does not appear to be sufficiently notable. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 11:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. --Sleepyhead 12:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep it has many relevant Google hits, seems notable in its field, and is in the middle of a rewrite. Elfguy 14:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • It wasn't really in the middle of a rewrite; the {{underconstruction}} tag was placed by the original editor on February 4; I nominated this for deletion on Feburary 9; since then, there has been no substantive edits. --Nlu (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or else I will email my cousin and tell him to put an ad for his software tools business (I won't actually, but delete this!!).Blnguyen 00:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, no assertion of meeting WP:CORP.--Isotope23 20:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 04:08, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tutoreasy

Advertisement JPD (talk) 11:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as ad. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 11:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Likewise linkspam at tutor. Flapdragon 13:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete We need a speedy class for ads like this! Avi 21:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Hang on! I placed this information here, as it is the first online example I can find of a "market for services" - where the whole service is carried out online, end to end, in particulary taking account of the post-eBay/Skype/VOIP world. If the wording seems too much like an "ad" the it can be changed. Companies are already listed on Wikipedia, so that in itself is not a cause for concern. The question is whether the entry adds value to users - which I think it does. Lets start a debate around that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cekbrooks (talk • contribs) , at 11:44, 10 February 2006

No, the question is whether the company can be considered notable (some guidelines here). We might also ask whether Cekbrooks has an interest in the company concerned? All edits by that username have promoted "Tutoreasy". Flapdragon 14:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 04:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Psycho Girl

Nonnotable amateur child porn video. Originally tagged with {{prod}} but tag removed by anon editor, so it's here now. Most Google hits are not relevant, and those that are have had any content removed because, well, it's child porn. (ESkog)^(Talk) 11:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. If WP:NOT anything, WP:NOT a place for pornographic transcripts. KrazyCaley/That's Krazy Talk 11:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm not sure why anybody thought this belongs here. Incidently, I removed the transcript, but what's left, still needs to go. --Rob 12:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Ugh. Redirect to Libby Hoeller or just Delete. PJM 12:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for mentioning that. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Libby Hoeller --Rob 21:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Molto bene. PJM 03:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete. Why must people think just about any old weird stuff belongs on WP?--み使い Mitsukai 14:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. This one is a mess. Incidentally according to the Libby Hoeller article, she was 21 or 22 when she made the video, so that doesn't make it child porn, thankfully. 23skidoo 14:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

  Presuming it's Hoeller, that's correct - I read the article and assumed that it was the 8th-grader in New York. Either way, it doesn't belong here. (ESkog)^(Talk) 20:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete nn. Elfguy 14:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable, not encyclopedic, non-verifiable, etc. - Liberatore(T) 16:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all above. --Kinu 17:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no notability.--Isotope23 19:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Unencyclopædic (100 yr test? try 100 hour test!), not notable. Throw this out using 3-foot tongs! Avi 21:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete using anti-bioweapon protection.Blnguyen 00:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep, still rather notable with the newspaper mention, even if it's not as famous as Libby Hoeller. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 14:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep borderline notability and Wikipedia is not censored.  Grue  13:13, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
  • 188000 Google hits is actually enough to meet any criteria of notability.  Grue  07:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
    • When I click that link I only see 1440 links. Any porn wmv file will have that many hits from torrent tracker sites, web downloads, etc. - but I would argue that most are still below the bar of notability. (ESkog)^(Talk) 17:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep JeffBurdges 05:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Icky, but I've heard about it. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 09:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. notable web phenomenon. Seen her mentioned in numerous messageboards for the past year and a half. --Madchester 19:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 04:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alfred Sim

Another nn Singaporean athlete; see also Tan_Rui_Xiang and others mentioned here. I'd speedy tag it as nn-bio but there seems to be some sort of pattern here. Delete as nn. Tonywalton  | Talk 12:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete --Sleepyhead 12:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as another non-notable Singaporean athelete. I'm Singaporean, and I've never heard of him before. This is not encyclopedic, as he only has participated in school competitions. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 13:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable enough. Come back when winning international medals. Punkmorten 16:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable Avi 21:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Gamaliel 21:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as has not gained national selection for international events, or done a time which is an A-qualifying time for the Olympics or anything of that sort - Delete his buddies as well.Blnguyen 00:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity bio article. *drew 16:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was redir Minor Mortal Kombat characters. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 08:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tremor (Mortal Kombat)

Delete. This article covers a minor fictional character, the details of which have already been covered in the list of Minor Mortal Kombat characters, and is not notable enough to have its own article. In addition, the page is filled with fan-created, unofficial information. Shadaloo 12:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom Percy Snoodle 12:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Minor Mortal Kombat characters.--み使い Mitsukai 14:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per Mitsukai MLA 15:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per Mitsukai. Avi 21:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect, do not merge. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, has some good info, just needs a little expansion. Trosk 21:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simple Outline XML

Not notable. 500 google hits Sleepyhead 12:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Not notable enough Avi 21:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete. One of many XML-like representations. Perhaps there's an article on such encodings where some bits from here could be moved. Surely doesn't belong into category Category:XML-based standards. Pavel Vozenilek 21:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete no claims of notable use in the real world. Pete.Hurd 01:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 04:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mauquoy Token Company

This article appears to be spam. To date, the contributions by this user have all been centered around this company with the inclusion of external links in related articles, none of which have manufacturers links. The contributor also created Category:Coin manufacturers of which this company is the sole entry — Delete — Graibeard ^(talk) 12:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy for spamvertisement, or vanispami...whatever it's called.--み使い Mitsukai 14:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Ad Spam Avi 21:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete as per Avi.Blnguyen 00:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I haven't investigated the company to see if they merit an article, but this bit of piffle should not exist. 2005 06:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• We assumed to be permitted on Wikipedia due to the fact that several other mints are also on Wikipedia. We have modified the text a little bit in order to make the article more informative. Please advise. User:Tinne
• delete no claims to meet WP:CORP, or other standards of notability Pete.Hurd 01:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 08:08, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Na Rikousmouna, Cees De Nijs

non notable (zero hits on Google). external link is a blog, maybe vanity, and article text is almost entirely POV. Rossrs 12:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I added Cees De Nijs to the same afd at this point. - Bobet 15:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both as vanity entries for non-notable persons. Only references cited is a blog they both work on, with no google hits or anything else to verify any of the claims. - Bobet 15:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete (both) as per nom Pete.Hurd 01:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. W.marsh 15:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oororagoninmusume

Was nominated as speedy (nn-band) but Reiko Chiba is otherwise notable, meaning this article should have a fair chance. Also, searching on Amazon.jp gave me this. Perhaps lackinmg in content, but surely not band vanity. Mgm|^(talk) 12:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

MGM, are you sure you provided the right link? What I got is, "ムーンライト・セレナーデ ～魅惑のムード・音楽 (Translation: Moonlight Serenade - Mood Music of Temptation)" is a Classic / Jazz album by ボストン・ポップス管弦楽団 (Translation: Boston Pops Ochestra). What this has got to do with our J-pop band? --BorgQueen 13:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Curse Google! Still, the Reiko Chiba argument should suffice. Bands by famous people are also considered encyclopedic. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree she is notable. However when I searched the band オーロラ5人娘 at Yahoo Japan I got only 126 hits: [25] - I suggest we merge the content to Reiko Chiba. --BorgQueen 13:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Reiko Chiba as per BQ.--み使い Mitsukai 14:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• I haven't checked yet, but if any of the other members are well-known, it should stay on its own. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Only Chiemi Chiba, a seiyuu. Akina66 02:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Kusunose 00:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, band with at least two independently-notable members. Kappa 20:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, as per Kappa. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 09:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. – Rich Farmbrough. 21:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Dewdney

Obvious spoof, dreamed up mostly by anon vandals. Google knows of few persons of that name and none connected with Rasputin. Flapdragon 16:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I disagree the man known as Richard Dewdney and his involvement in Rasputin's death is clearly theoretical and it is clear that the editors of this particular article have done extensive research into him and his involvement and there appears to be evidence to support the theory. I believe the article should be kept. Superquiff 18:18 8th February 2006 (preceding comment by 81.132.102.172)

I note that someone posting from the very similar address 81.132.106.254 added these clearly spoof edits at 20:38 on 6 February 2006. Flapdragon 20:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I concur with Superquiff. Susan 18:58 8th February 2006 (preceding comment by 82.5.231.22)

Again, checking the page history we find that Susan or someone posting from her IP address at NTL.com has added, and then deleted five hours later, an obvious piece of nonsense. Flapdragon 20:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

This is a valid article, anybody studying AS Modern European History will know the Infamous Richard Dewdney. This article is too extensive to have been thought up by 'vandals'. I recommend that Wikipedia disregard this request for deletion. - Bossmanuk (preceding comment by 172.216.151.142 at 21:38 on 8 February 2006)

We look forward to seeing some sources. Sorry to spoil your fun guys but I think it's pretty clear the game's up. Flapdragon 20:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I think not i can prove that all charcters, Dewdney through to Mason, within this article are real. Superquiff 21:09 8th February 2006 (81.132.102.172)

I'm sure the names are real, in fact I fancy we have may already have heard from Mr Mason, but the little story featuring them is not. Flapdragon 00:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

i do not think this artical should be deleted the facts are real and i have also looked into the matter to see if this is true, and most is. Maybe some facts should be checked and some maybe got rid of but keep some of the artical that are clearly real.- robert brown. 09/02/06 8.55 (212.219.57.77)

212.219.57.77 is yet another author of hilarious spoof edits including Dewdney's presidency of the USA and Al Gore's invention of the internet (neither of which made the final cut). The whole gang is here! Flapdragon 12:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as Complete bollocks. --Ezeu 13:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, please. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all above. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 13:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I have restored the article to the stub version before the anonymous editors started adding to it. It should be noted that the Grigori Rasputin mentions Richard Dewdney as a possible assassin and that information was there prior to the creation of this article. However, I cannot find any collaborating information on the web regarding this information. Most items I found credit Felix Yusupov & Vladimir Purishkevich with the shooting. Unless someone comes up with a source, it should be deleted as unverifiable. But if deleted, the Grigori Rasputin article needs to have the info removed also. -- JLaTondre 13:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The name to google for is Oswald Rayner. The nonsense was added to Grigori Rasputin on 18 January 2006 by the above "robert brown", or someone else at Cirencester College, using the simple expedient of swapping the names for those of (presumably) his schoolfriends. Of course, it's important to be wary of assuming that one Wikipedia article validates another. Flapdragon 15:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Good work Flapdragon. I was starting to doubt my speedy vote and was all over the place searching for Dewdney. --Ezeu 15:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I've patched up the Rasputin article, though I fancy it could still use some checking by a specialist. A joke's a joke (though not in this case a funny one), but this kind of childish prank wastes people's time, misleads the innocent, and seriously damages the credibility of Wikipedia. Time for (yet) another block for 212.219.57.77 I think, and perhaps also a complaint to the college. Flapdragon 16:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Flapdragon. Reyk 19:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Garbage Avi 21:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep Marskell 12:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gauri Shankar

Listed as non-notable person on CSD, but has article on chessbase and won national championships. Does need work though. Bringing it here, to see if I missed something. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not notable enough at all. -Jetman123 14:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Alright, after thinking about it, he's notable enough. I change my vote to keep. But can anyone verify these facts? -Jetman123

• I cleaned it up a bit, but I'm not sure about the subject's notability. No vote. ×Meegs 15:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A preteen who cracks the top 2000 in standard chess rankings is notable, especially given the British championship titles. Monicasdude 20:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable enough. Avi 21:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - winner of US speedchess for K-12 in 2003-04. This indicates that at age 11 or 12, he was competing at the level of the highest 16-18 yr olds in US.Blnguyen 00:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 04:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fuore

Delete. Promoting commercial website. Monkeyman 13:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Advertising, fails WP:CORP Kcordina 14:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete As per nom. --Sleepyhead 15:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Advertising Spam Avi 21:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete; Adv, Evil Celcius ^(Talk) Wiki be With us! 22:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete as per Avi.Blnguyen 00:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete per WP:CSD A7.--Alhutch 17:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raul lancheros

Delete Article appears to be vanity piece, unnotable and unverifiable - may even be a speedy delete nomination - you decide? VirtualSteve 13:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete Vanity. Monkeyman 13:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Something about it tells me that it's copyvio. In any case, it's pure vanity anyway, so Speedy it.--み使い Mitsukai 14:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per WP:BIO. PJM 15:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 05:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grasshopper Takeover

Was tagged as speedy, but making the chart IS an assertion of notability. Does anyone know whether the claim is valid? _ Mgm|^(talk) 13:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete, unless they have another claim of notability. Have found no evidence of them "hitting the charts big."Bjones 13:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

How did you search? - Mgm|^(talk) 22:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Working on the assumption that a charting single would show up on a Google search of the band. A fallible strategy, but the only one I could think of.Bjones 04:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep They have a number of Google hits, and have had a writeup in Rolling Stone according to their site. -- Avi 22:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep if the Rolling Stone writeup can be confirmed. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • A feature article, or just a paragraph? Google search combining the band and the magazine gives lots of mentions, but the 21st hit is the first from the magazine's website, and is an article about someone else with a bare mention that he co-produced one of the band's albums. No vote. Barno 00:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. Allmusic.com shows three albums to their credit but no singles or albums of the band has charted. Rolling Stone writeup might get them over the line. Capitalistroadster 01:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep, looking at google, I believe the Rolling Stone claim. Kappa 20:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. They google well and I've heard of them. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 09:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zaplife

Non-notable web service. —Whouk (talk) 13:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Advertising not encyclopaedic VirtualSteve 14:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete doesn't appear to meet WP:WEB. YASNS. _└ ^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 14:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - a link to Zaplife's Alexa ranking has been added to the page. I was intrigued to see that it is a quarter of a million places lower than my own blog... —Whouk (talk) 15:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete reads like an ad --SammyTerry 23:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 04:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oni-con

Advertising, horribly designed page, little if any indicator of notability. I had earlier slapped an {{advert}} tag in the hopes that someone from the Oni-con staff would come and clean it and improve it to justify the article's existence, but in that time the only thing that was changed was "The people who make it run smoothly are" to "Founders and staff", something that none of the other anime con pages contain. み使い Mitsukai 13:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Article contains no useful information on a seemingly non-notable convention Kcordina 14:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 08:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Schwartz

This was nominated for both prod and csd/a7, but there's just enough of a hint of notability found in google to make it worth hashing out here. Just designing a font isn't enough, but he did win an award for one of his designs. A lot of the google hits look like cut-and-paste jobs of the same PR release, but there's just enough real stuff as well to make me uncomfortable speedying this -- RoySmith (talk) 14:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - fair enough, but it's the responsibility of the creator to show notability, and it isn't shown here. — ciphergoth 14:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per WP:BIO. PJM 15:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norwood Bears Volleyball Club

Article about a volleyball club, but makes no real attempt to explain why the club is notable. --Pak21 14:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. WP is not an official team website.--み使い Mitsukai 14:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:NOT a webhost and picture post for an otherwise non-notable sports club. Oh, delete the pictures as well. --Kinu 17:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination, WP:NOT. --Dustimagic *\o/* ^{(talk/contribs)} *\o/* 19:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete a suburban volleyball club in Australia, where volleyball is a very very minor sport - see our record at the Olympics.Blnguyen 23:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Member of South Australian Indoor State League and has played interstate teams. Article might be notable if it could list Olympians or internationals. At the moment, this is a vanity article. Capitalistroadster 02:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non notable --Mcbridematt 11:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 02:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)"

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bottleguy

Delete. Non notable website. Xyzzyplugh 14:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete As per nom. --Sleepyhead 15:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or merge with list of shock sites. --Ixfd64 22:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

list of shock sites already does have a link to and explanation of bottleguy --Xyzzyplugh 22:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Car salesman 14:45, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shark Fin Antenna

tagged as copyvio, but sadly not. What it is, however, is blatant spam. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 22:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I've condensed the article down to it's true worth (or perhaps "A shark fin shaped antenna from BMW" would be better?). Seriously, it's quite simply not encyclopedic and should be at most a one sentence addition to the relevant BMW/car model articles. --kingboyk 23:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• I should point out that my edit has removed the spam JZG was referring to. You'll have to delve into the History for that. --kingboyk 23:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• If possible, merge whatever is useful into Antenna (radio). Otherwise, delete.--み使い Mitsukai 14:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as spam. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 15:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Does not stand well on its own. PJM 15:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• No Vote. Do we have an article on novelty car antennas/accessories? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 09:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete as above Pete.Hurd 01:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] COLT Studio Group

Keep Why would you even consider removing this? (1) Simply because it ia about a specific company company doesn't make it advertising, and (2) removing it simply because it is about a "taboo" subject is tantamount to censorship. This article in and of itself is not pornogrpahic--it provides information about a topic that is difficult to find anywhere else--as this site does with most of its topics.

More advertizing. This time for gay porn. -R. fiend 22:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as notable porn studio. *cough* ... I researched it. For this AfD. Yeah. That's it :x Rewrite, though. Adrian Lamo · 22:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not advertising. COLT is one of THE oldest, most consistently porducing studio in Gay porn with an archive of almost 40 years worth of material. The history and aesthetic of COLT has been incredible influential on the medium as a whole. It should be listed with other influential porn studios. - OldBattler

• Delete per WP:VSCA. Stifle 01:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• "Influential gay porn studios"? Oh, please - 20th Century Fox this is not. Strong Delete.--み使い Mitsukai 14:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as advertisment, non-notable studio. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 15:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

My sense is that these folks' charge for deletion comes from a place of homophobia. Jim French's COLT Studio group wrote the book on gay male erotica for the past 40 years. Go to ANY bookstore - gay, adult or otherwise and will see COLT titles.

• Keep, articles about companies are not inherently advertisement, and it's needlessly derisive to imply that a gay porn studio is incapable of being influential. Adrian Lamo ·· 20:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Seems to be notable in the world of gay porn... which seems to be notable as a subject, even to those who don't like it... The article is somewhat aneimic on the historical details and significance, but real world references seem to support notability here. Georgewilliamherbert 21:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. COLT & Falcon are two of the oldest and biggest gay porn prooducers still churning it out. One might well call them "seminal". Should mention its residual emphasis on straight muscular trade models somewhere. ("Cowboys", construction workers... it's "Village People" with muscles and less annoying music.) - Outerlimits 21:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as well known in gay circles as Penthouse (magazine) or Screw magazine are in straight ones. Carlossuarez46 17:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 05:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ginny Mule Pictures

Trivial article which could easily be merged into The Accountant. Delete: Gaius Cornelius 17:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• I would think that it would be the other way around, wouldn't it? Merge both into this article, then rewrite and keep.--み使い Mitsukai 17:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable film studio. Stifle 01:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per Stifle, ad. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 15:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per TerenceOng.Blnguyen 00:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, on what planet is a film studio which produced an Oscar-winning film not notable? Kappa 07:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY G4. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lowbrow.com. GTBacchus^(talk) 06:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lowbrow.com

This page is advertising for a website. Steve 19:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Note: Article nominated for deletion by User:Stevegallery. Incomplete editing, am completing editing.--み使い Mitsukai 15:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.--み使い Mitsukai 15:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no evidence that the site meets WP:WEB. Alexa rank 457,387. Some Google hits but none appear to be from notable sites. Advertising, unsourced, no indication of other significance. Barno 00:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thick (band)

This article does not appear to meet WP:MUSIC. Cannot find mention of the band or its albums on allmusic. No further assertion of notability. Listing here rather than db-band just in case. Lbbzman 15:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. If this vote is succesful, we should also nominate Skitz O'Fuel for deletion. He only appears in WP because of his role in Thick.--Johnnyw 18:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, WP:NMG. [26] PJM 15:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete. Apparently, they have released at least one album that's available [27] but was published by an unknown indie label ('Toostupidtoplay Music'). Google delivers roughly 800 hits when searching for 'Thick "the Kings of Texas Schwag Rock"' [28]. Couldn't find any info about whether or not they ever toured outside Texas.--Johnnyw 18:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• deleteper nomAnlace 22:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn per nom.Blnguyen 00:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Car salesman 14:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CRIXP Corp.

Not notable. Less than 1000 google hits. Advertising. Sleepyhead 15:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Too few google hits for a notable software company. A school in rural Benin clears more google hits. --Ezeu 16:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete private company, 4 employees, no customers listed Gavwatson 06:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glower mints

Hoax. Gdr 15:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. A naughty hoax, albeit admirably elaborate. --Ezeu 16:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Agreed. One shouldn't advise hoaxers, but it might have gone unnoticed with a more plausible name origin than the alleged glowering effect. For instance, it could have derived from glaur, Scottish for "mire", in allusion to its preference for marshy habitats. Tearlach 17:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete/BJADON. -- Mithent 23:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom.Blnguyen 00:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete all articles. Mailer Diablo 05:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Better Mod, All-in-One Reloaded, Block Land Mods and Return to Blockland.

Wrongfully speedied, rightfully unspeedied, but despite protestations of editors I think not notable. Google for "The Better Mod" Blockland gets about 50 unique hits, including mirrors. I would simply merge and redirect, but (a) the mod is already mentioned in Blockland and (b) it's tagged as disputed anyway, and I would not know how much is valid. In the end this is a large article on a very very trivial subject with no apparent claim to wider importance. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 15:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Addendum JzG's comments above apply only to The Better Mod: I've extended this AfD to cover All-in-One Reloaded, Block Land Mods and Return to Blockland per my comment below. I do not think any of them have enough independent interest to support an article, they should be either deleted or merged into a stronger article. Additionally the editors who raised the DRV were concerned that their mod was being treated in an unfair manner by proponents of rival game mods: in the interests of fairness I think it befits us to consider the related game mods side by side. --- Charles Stewart^(talk) 16:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom. Any legitmate info on this should be mentioned in Blockland. PJM 15:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Blockland or a new Blockland game modifications. --- Charles Stewart^(talk) 16:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Other game mods exist, eg. All-in-One Reloaded, Block Land Mods, Return to Blockland. Can we expand this AfD to cover these? They should be treated together, I think. --- Charles Stewart^(talk) 16:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Following disucssion with JzG, AfD extended. --- Charles Stewart^(talk) 16:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

dUMBELLS: RTB was only partly responsable for this, the admins have the word and should have the word.

Reverted blanking by User:84.69.76.44 - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 17:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see how RTB is even remotely responsible for this. Mocheeze 00:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete covering the whole lot, would also accept merge for any that are not already in Blockland. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] 17:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable mods.--Isotope23 19:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete TBM creators won't allow anyone to remove POV, or talk about it in the article's discussion. Mocheeze 00:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)