Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2006 February 19

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The result of the debate was keep. Ifnord 16:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inherently funny word

No word is inherently funny, it is culturally constructed. This article is biased in concept and largely original research in execution. Plus, it doesn't include "pig" which I think is hilarious, but it does include "giggle" which is not even mildlly amusing, conjuring thoughts of vacuous gum-chewing schoolgirls on buses. If anyone can find me an article in any paper encyclopaedia, however big, on "inherently funny word" I will withdraw this nomination. Unless it's the Encyclopaedia Cruftannica. In which case we'll have found a copyvio. Survived VfD back in 2004 on the grounds that it was funny - as far as I can tel this is no longer policy, I checked WP:FUNNY and found nothing. Guy 00:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Based on some of the references, it seems like this article could exist, albeit in a possibly different format. The fact that funniness if social constructed, for me at least, increases the need for an article which discusses that, provided it can be referenced. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 00:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't find the words in the list funny, therefore they are not inherently funny, therefore the article is false and it must be deleted. --Ruby 00:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Everything that is unreferenced should of course be removed, but the use of certain words as "inherently funny" by comedians (and the response of their audience) can be documented, and probably there is some more research on humor that can be cited to source this article better. The intro might need a complete rewrite, though. Kusma (討論) 00:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but not as is. This article is one of the centerpieces of wikipedia's humour section alongside Unusual articles and List of unusual deaths, but it's a messy article and needs work. Somebody needs to give it a thorough cleanup. Add some sources, and delete everything unsupported by references. Night Gyr 00:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep with ref's -Who said this word is inherently funny and what not. -AKMask 00:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - for some reason the idea of this article gets under a few people's skin. But it's a legitimate concept to discuss. Unfortunately, it's also a concept that draws a lot of fly-by edits (I know something funny - let's add it!), hence the messiness. - DavidWBrooks 01:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Whether there is any such thing as an inherently funny word is irrelevant to whether the article should be deleted. Otherwise one could make the same case for deleting Ghost. The point is that certain words have been characterized as being inherently funny, as the article documents quite well. Unusual articles like this are part of what makes Wikipedia cool. dbtfz^talk 01:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, and smak JzG will some inherently funny word like Pantyhose, bubbly or giggles... because he I feel he may have skiped a couple steps. You know, some wise men once said to me, if you think it need verifying, then put the verify sign on it. Don't just delete it. If you think it's NPOV then put that one on it too. And only delete it if you really want to. However I may be swayed for other reason to delete this. For example this may simply be an enumaration of several words. However considereing we have a definition for funny page,Funny little itinerant blip, Funny little ugly fat fellow, Funny wagon (what they will soon be putting me in if I continue leaving such odd comments to JzG and he continues on with a double standard, while they bring me to the funny house)... but then again maybe this will all be a Funny story from a funny man from Canada hey! That will add his french Funny foreign squigle when he write it in his funny book talking about funny business experiences with a guy name JzG. Or perhaps instead... keeping it all withinfunny fantasy that is funilly enough not the funniest joke but may add some smiles and funny faces. (Darn! I couldn't find inherently funny word though!)--CyclePat 01:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

You can't verify a word being inherently funny, because funny is a subjective concept to start with. Oh, and pantyhose is not funny at all. Unlike trouser, which cracks me up every time (and leaves others utterly bewildered). See what I mean? Guy 13:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per User:DavidWBrooks. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong 03:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No word is inherently funny, only its meaning can be. Jim62sch 03:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

commnent prove it. And once you do. Add that fact to the article with you source. --CyclePat 04:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. It a number of people lack the required sense of humour. But I doubt even they can deny that, for example, banana is a word used often in jokes and the like (without a suitable context, just because of the word and nothing else). Basically the word has to be trivial in meaning (and thus it's meaning isn't funny at all), it usually sounds "awkward" or "foreign" or plain silly. And if you mention it at one point in a conversation for no reason at all it should be funny. Replacing it with textdocument or something equally mundane should not be (as) funny. In any case, there's comedians who believe in them...there are plenty of other people who "believe" in them, and hence it should be pretty obvious that an explanation is required for those that come across it without knowing what it is. Not to mention many, many articles reference it for good reason. Rygir 04:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It is neither Original Research - all of it is what other people have said are inherently funny words - nor POV. A fine example of a slightly off-the-wall topic being handles very well. Batmanand 11:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not encylopedic and more of an opinion peice. TVXPert 14:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete with extreme prejudice. This has to be one of the five worst articles I've read on Wikipedia, and I hated it before it was brought here. There's no excuse for this kind of garbage. It's original research, it's stuff made up in school one day, it's not notable, it aims to be a how-to on stand-up comedy. This is a pile of reeking garbage that would make Satan weep. It makes this encyclopedia look like it was written by moronic nosepicking fourth-graders. I can't emphasize enough how bad this is. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Come on, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. Turnstep 23:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kusma. Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete original research/essay format. not encylopedic. Ncsaint 17:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Conditional keep - this article is highly misleading. If the article can differentiate between "inherently funny words" as an attempt to be funny. There is a huge different between that and scholarly language and psychology journals stating that this concept is true. So, I believe the subject may have been broached by enough comedians to merit its inclusion as a well known joke... but as a truly scholarly subject I have seen no evidence yet... and if this article doesn't differentiate between the two then it's seriously misleading. gren グレン 18:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - bad title, smells like original research, POV, and in general unencyclopedic. Renata 22:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kusma. Rufous 23:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as a perfectly valid article that may need some cleanup and verify, but in no way merits deletion. Turnstep 23:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:OR, WP:V. —Ruud 01:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, how is any of this information useful/meaningful/relevant in a non-original research/POV way? None of these words are "inherently" funny except to English-speakers, anyways. What do I need an encyclopedia article to argue for the idea that the word "bassoon" is "inherently funny"? Incredibly stupid article (even if it were retitled "funny words" or "words used frequently by comedians.") Please Don't BlockPlease Don't Block

• Precisely. Not only is tenoroon much funnier, so is bassinet. In my opinion. and there is no way this can get around the fact that it's entirely based on opinion. Guy 13:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete! or, alternatively, merge - sillyness. They're not funny, maybe some of the material could be merged to an article such as humour...But on its own... no. -- Greaser 06:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep — but remove anything that is original research or unreferenced, of course. -- Jao 12:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Kept before, keep it again. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 14:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep since a) this has been kept before and b) it's just perfect fodder for WP:UA and c) there may be good sources to support this, if not on academic level then on, um, some comedic level. Though, the article definitely may need cleanup. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 18:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but somehow this article needs to be 'steamlined' and broken into a few sub headings. Inherently Funny is a legitimate comedic concern and valid considertion for many comedians. Steve Allen has written on the subject and I recall Milton Berle mentioning it as far back as the 1960s. Cincinatti is a funny word, Dallas is not. Maybe "k" is funny by association: Shecky Green, Red Skelton, Danny Kaye, Ernie Kovaks. At any rate, the concept deserves some more research and citations. John Sinclair, Salt Lake City (har!)
• Trivia: I have seen somewhere that Jimbo Wales locked this article for a few hours for the purpose of using it as a demonstration of Wikipedia on a TV show. (I'll be happy to try to source this if anyone thinks their vote is affected by it. It looks to me as if this is going "no consensus".) No vote from me. AndyJones 20:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • My vote is unlikely to change, but I would be curious to see more details about this. Turnstep 02:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually, I think this is all I ever knew. It just stuck in my mind for some reason. See the penultimate item and its edit summary. (Possibly that item will have been pushed to the next page by the time the AfD closes.) AndyJones 09:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete "Funny" is entirely a POV. If it weren't, "table", which I've always considered an extremely funnt word, would be on the list. :Denni ☯ 01:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

comment: Yesterday's Globe and mail, february 20, 2006, page A14, Section, Social Studies (A daily miscellany of Information by micheal Kesteron (MKesterton@globeandmail.ca)) cited Harold Geneen in his Though du jour and stated:

"The reliability of the person giving you the facts is as important as the facts themselves. Keep in mind that facts are seldom facts, but what people think are facts, heavily tinged with assumptions."

Again, Hard facts are really rare. What we most commonly have are opinions from people. (POV's) Inherently most articles are full of POV's. Does that give us the right to delete them? I don't think so. --CyclePat 01:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

comment: perhaps, "table" is a funny word for you, but if you have not written a published book or can't find a published book on that subject (ie.: on the inherent funnyness of that word) than it wouldn't meet the wikipedia standard of inclusion based on the WP:NOR (Wikipedia No original research... and if that is or was the case then we should nullify this entire process, start an entirelly new deletion process with those accusations.) --CyclePat 01:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're driving at here, but there are no sources attesting to the inherent funniness of words mentioned in the article, "weasel", for instance, which, IMHO, makes most of this article OR. If this article is to be kept, it needs serious editing and sourcing. Denni ☯ 01:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep but edit drastically. It should exist where 'Inherrently funny word' is a quote rather than a topic, as comedians have spoken on this subject and given examples. I suggest it should begin with something like 'An 'Inherrently funny word' is a concept which has been proposed by many comedians, including (etc), and featuring words like (etc)'. No word is inherrently funny, it's all relative. --Luke44 21:41 22 February 2006 (GMT)
• Keep Interesting article, though per Luke44 and others it could use a little cleanup/organization. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 04:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep nice article.  Grue  21:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The article holds a great deal of information on a concept which clearly has been addressed many times in popular media, as seen in the number of sources it cites. It doesn't try to establish a deffinative list of all "inherently funny" words, although the opinion of profession commedians could probably be taken as expert opinion, and thus qualify for inclusion, as has been done. If someone feels that the article is trying to create an inherently incomple and potentially POV list, then it could be cleaned up, but since it is clearly a subject that has been addressed there is no reason to delete it. After all, there are articles on consipracy theories, alien abduction and pseudosciences that may not actually physically exist, but the idea is prevalent enough that in can be reasonable addressed. After all, all of these quotes are verifiable. I've read Dave Barry's piece where he claims weasel is an inherently funny word, for instance. He certainly qualifies as an expert, and thus it's not OR. Icelight 20:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I am not a member of Wikipedia. I'm pretty sure I signed up for an account before, but I don't remember my user name or my password. I have to say that I have the exact opposite opinion on this article that Mr. Brian G. Crawford has. The argument here seems to be that, if this article concerns the subject of silliness, then the article itself must be silly. Nothing is empirically funny, at all, ever. It is -ALWAYS- culturally constructed. That is the nature of humor itself. The fact is that humor is difficult to analyze because you don't know whether something is funny until it makes you laugh. "Inherent funniness" is the concept by which something is simply considered funny, and therefore preferable to things that are not funny. In the satirical online game, The Kingdom of Loathing, the clothing choices for player characters are "pants" and "hat". I am not aware of an official stated reason for clothing being limited to those items, but it is my opinion that experts on humor will agree that "pants" and "hat" are the funniest names for articles of clothing. Certainly, some people may argue that "socks" is funny or that player characters should be allowed to choose "galoshes" or "underpants" or something similarly silly. In this respect, humor can be considered entirely objective. Some people may not find any words to be inherently funny at all, just like how I am fairly sure I have not laughed at an episode of "Seinfeld" at all, not even once. Those who want this article deleted seem to be convinced that humor is not worthy of intelligent analysis because of its subjectivity or its strong ties to the culture of those involved with both producing the humor and laughing at it. I myself firmly believe that it is because of these things that humor is a worthy topic of discussion. There won't be articles discussing in detail every form of humor in legitimate mainstream paper encyclopedias, because humor is a very difficult topic. However, if this article ends up being deleted (being edited to conform to a higher standard of quality is quite acceptable) it will severely hurt my faith in humanity. I just thought I'd throw in my own two cents. --65.13.17.229 07:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC) [Some guy named Dave]

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The result of the debate was Speedy deletion by User:Neutrality Adrian Lamo ·· 08:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moinho da fonte

From WP:PNT, untranslated for two weeks. Entry from there follow. No vote. Kusma (討論) 00:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Story in Portuguese about a town. Dr Debug (Talk) 14:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Get it off my English encyclopedia, even it it's translated --Ruby 00:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. My first reaction was "hahahaha". ITS ISN'T EVeN IN ENGLISH!!! --Jay(Reply) 00:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - use db-notenglish tag. --OscarTheCat^talk 00:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: {{db-notenglish}} only applies to pages that exist in other wikimedia projects, such as pages that were cut and pasted from another language wikipedia without translation. There's no speedy deletion criteria for articles that are in another language, they'll get afd'd unless they fall in some other csd. - Bobet 01:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment It appears to be a real article about a real place (not a story). But it should be deleted if left untranslated. Dlyons493 Talk 01:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delelete Unfortunatelly... --CyclePat 01:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Terence Ong 03:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete Puff piece. This "A população subdivide-se na minha familia e nos meus vizinhos naturais" means "The population is divided between my family and my fellow Portuguese neighbors." Jim62sch 03:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Wow. It's... NOT IN ENGLISH!--SeanMcG 04:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deletion by User:Neutrality Adrian Lamo ·· 08:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sakir kocabas

Untranslated for two weeks at WP:PNT. Entry from there follows. No vote. Kusma (討論) 00:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

found in Category:Cleanup from November 2005 I don't recognize the language --Melaen 13:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

probably Turkish--Carabinieri 13:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Definitely Turkish. Appears notable. ColinFine 14:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete As it stands its copyvio from[1]. If cleaned I'll reconsider. Dlyons493 Talk 00:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Same as above, not to mention language issues. --Jay(Reply) 00:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as coopyvio. --Terence Ong 03:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as copyvio Jim62sch 04:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete per CSD A7.--Alhutch 00:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danny gotimer

bio of nn skateboarder, reeks of vanity savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 00:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. According to the article, his greatest success was riding for "Sevenfold Skateboards", which also does not google well and does not suggest that he meets WP:BIO. Kusma (討論) 00:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Kusma --Ruby 00:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable, same as above. --Jay(Reply) 00:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deletion by User:Neutrality Adrian Lamo ·· 08:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Save Our Animals

Original research. Also reads like a high school essay. And appears to be a copyvio OscarTheCat^talk 00:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Jay(Reply) 00:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Read the first few sentences of the "article." It's the epitome of why WP:NFT exists. --Kinu ^t/_c 01:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No footprint on Alexa --Ruby 01:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

comment: verify: I wonder if this is just a case of verifiability... again! In that case add the verify unsourced template and see you later.--CyclePat 02:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Only 7 websites link to there website [2] (per google). Seems like a nn-org to me. ---J.Smith
• Delete as nn. --Terence Ong 03:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Jim62sch 04:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Avery W. Krouse 05:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy keep. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 02:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bennie Joppru

• keep if he's current on the team and there is more content. Tawker 04:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

But there is no importantance to him —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey 2006 (talk • contribs)

Comment: This AfD was created and edited by the above users and not listed at AfD; I've fixed the formatting and listed it. No vote. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment No vote, all athlete articles get kept anyway --Ruby 00:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• EXTRA STRONG SPEEDY KEEP nominator of AfD is a vandal, nuff said. Moe ε 01:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep. Kappa
• Keep Jim62sch 04:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong 04:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keepers--SeanMcG 04:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but who cares if the nominator is a vandal? Let's talk about the article, not the personalities. Batmanand 11:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was slightly more in favour to keep than delete. A lot of the keep votes had alternate suggestions (keep with cleanup, keep or merge, etc.) but really we only debate keeping vs deleting. Improvements are up to the community. Ifnord 19:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Family of the United States

I'll be blunt. The article is redundant of Barbara and Jenna Bush, First Family, and Laura Bush, and not to mention, is unsourced as is. In addition, unless the author intends on writing a "First Family" article for Washington through Clinton, the article, as it stands now, is simply another Bush family article, making it redundant with Bush Family. I am not taking away from anybody's notability or anything like that, I am simply pointing out that this article is simply redundant with already existing, sourced articles. Jay(Reply) 00:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Jay --Ruby 00:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I completely understand. I am writing the Clinton section of the article right now, actually. The article is NOT intended to be a Bush family chronicle; I am trying to compile data from ALL of the First Families. I hope you'll consider not deleting this article. Thank you. History21
• Keep/Clean-up Should focus on the institution of the first family, significant acts of various members throughout history, not one specific first family. But the institution deserves an article. -AKMask 00:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, there has to be something there, at least a disambig or redirect, fight out on the talk pages or make a request for comment. Kappa 01:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep/Rename: To be technically correct I think it should be First family of the United States of America but that's me. Oh! and keep the content. --CyclePat 02:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Perhaps even merge First Family to the new name. --CyclePat 02:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Common, it's redundant! ---J.Smith 03:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: So next time a wikipedia user types in "First family of the United States" they should be invited to create a new article? Kappa 03:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to First Family. --Metropolitan90 03:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. Cut back on the biographical articles and just outline the members of the first family under a particular present with wikilinks as appropriate. Capitalistroadster 03:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep/Clean-up Jim62sch 04:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. --Terence Ong 04:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Efforts better directed towards expanding existing articles than creating redundant ones.Schizombie 04:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Neutrality^talk 05:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand to include multiple first families, etc. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 06:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but radically rewrite. This article should be about the concept of a First Family, what privileges they have, how they are protected, what legislation has been enacted around them etc. It should not be biographies of the current or former First Families (except maybe as a small section of "notable (incidents involving) First Families". But that is content dispute; this article is perfectly keepable as an article. Batmanand 11:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Re-write, expand, and source! TVXPert 14:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Rewrite to reflect the institution, rather than the people. Natgoo 17:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as redundant per many other articles. Contains a lot of assertion and apparent editorialising, looks a lot like a POV fork. If kept, should be reduced to a one-sentence summary for each family with links to the main articles. Guy 18:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment:Yay!!! It now appears as if this article will be kept, and of course I am very happy with that. For those who say it should be deleted, I can only state that the First Family of the United States has been a distinct institution for two centuries. Some First Families (in particular the Kennedys) had a significant inpact on the popular culture of the day. To those who support me in keeping the article, I must say that I agree with your assertions that more should be included about the security the First Family receives, the privileges they are privy to, etc. I would welcome inclusion of that within this article, because, frankly, I don't think I could cover it all on my own. However, I feel strongly that te biographical information as pertains to each First Family's time in the White House should STAY, and I will reinsert any biographical info that is unnecessarily deleted. The idea of a one-sentence summary of each First Family is a bit far-fetched. If people wanted mediocre knowledge on the topic, they wouldn't come to Wikipedia. We should be detailed. And for all the "editorialising" I have done, I feel that the article is very neutral. Based on my descriptions of two Republican and one Democratic First Family, can you really guess what my political views are? I note Clinton's infidelities and the Bush twins' binging in a purely factual manner. So, that is what I have to say, and I will check in here from time to time to see what everyone else thinks. Thank you. History21

• Comment: If you continue to expand it the way you're doing (there's even a note on the page "NOTE: THIS ARTICLE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WILL BE EXPANDED BY ITS ORIGINAL CREATOR." which I don't think is usual practice), it's going to be extremely long WP:SIZE. Not only is it redundant (duplicating material for people most or all of whom have their own entries on WP, none of which you've linked), it is internally redundant e.g. noting each person in a family "ceased to be First" whatever on a certain date. Schizombie 20:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I have told you, I feel that this biographical information is important, and I intend to expand it because I know a good deal about it. However, I feel that others SHOULD come forward to help with more general information about the institution as a whole. I can, of course, research the Secret Service. Yes, yes, I'll do that. Alright, thank you all again. History21

• Delete anything that needs to be said about the american first family can be said in the First Family article. Which needs completely rewriting by the way as is describes any country other than american as "foreign" which is a useless (and possibly offensive) term in an international encyclopædia. Jcuk 22:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: What? It is a Brit, isn't it? And do you all refer to the Blairs as the First Family? Honestly, the idea that the American First Family could simply be included in an article that describes the families of heads of state in general is itself rather funny. I mean, come on, I don't really think anyone is pretending that Cherie Blair yields the same kind of inflence as Laura Bush. The American First Family, whoever its members are at any given time, is the most powerful and influential family on Earth. Let me put it this way: if George W. Bush does something notable, you all hear about it. If Laura Bush does something notable, you all hear about it. When Barbara and Jenna Bush go out drinking, you all hear about it. When one of the Blairs does something notable, NO ONE CARES. I'm not being arrogant, I'm just illustrating a fact. I don't even know who Tony Blair's children are! I couldn't tell you if Jacques Chirac even has a wife, let alone the woman's name if he is married. And yet, EVERYONE knows about the American First Family. That's just the way it is. As the most significant and powerful family on the face of the Earth, I think they deserve their own article, don't you? History21 00:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment
• "do you all refer to the Blairs as the First Family?" ? no
• "When Barbara and Jenna Bush go out drinking, you all hear about it." Who?
• "As the most significant and powerful family on the face of the Earth, I think they deserve their own article, don't you?" They have it. Bush Family. Anything else that needs saying about the american first family can be said in the First Family article. --Jcuk 10:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Whoa, There. This article is not about the Bush family, it is about the First Family of the United States, an institution far more influential than any other similar body on the face of this planet. And who are you to redirect this article into First Family when voting on it has clearly not stopped? Far more people voted to keep than to redirect, and I am reposting this. Give me one good reason why the First Family of the United States doesn't deserve its own article?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by History21 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 20 February 2006.

• Comment: I didn't, somebody called neutrality did. See my reasons above for why this article should be deleted. Jcuk 23:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I agree it shouldn't have been redirected without this discussion being closed. History21 undid the redirect, and I've reverted it to the last most complete version prior to that redirect. The number of people voting to keep is not the sole basis of whether an article is deleted or not AFAIK. The main reason to delete it is that there are already articles covering some of the families and all of the individuals. Another lesser problem is a US-centric systemic bias overstating the importance of members of the "first family" beyond the President and First Lady. Another problem is length; if the article covers all the so-called "first families" as the intention was stated, it could grow to be about 40,000 words in length.Schizombie 18:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or rewrite completely. The information about the Bush family is redundant, and an article with this title should focus on the institution, not on specific families. One immediate step to improve this article would be to remove all but the first paragraph. Kusma (討論) 17:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but rewrite and include information on all the other presidential families. Cut down info on Bush and Clinton families as it duplicates existing articles like Barbara and Jenna Bush etc. -- Astrokey44|talk 22:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: The article, as it presently stands, is repetitive of quite a few already well written, adequately sourced material on Wikipedia. From what I see now, in an attempt to have the article kept, the author is adding unsourced, inaccurate paragraphs every now and again to expand the article - not good news. A majority of keep votes are under "extensive rewrite" or "rewrite completely." I am not saying that an article of such a title should not exist, for the institution is rather important. I am just saying that as it stands now, the current article under the title "First Family of the United States," per all the delete votes and keep+rewrite votes needs to be scrapped, and rewritten from a much different approach. Deleting the article removes the histories, to prevent reversion - a rewritten article under the title "First Family of the United States" would have no need to be reverted to what currently sits under that name. --Jay(Reply) 00:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not possible to keep up to date and already covered in other articles. Stifle 21:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Everyone knows about the First Family? Hoo-wee, this stinks of arrogance. Delete American foolishness. Denni ☯ 01:17, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Are we going to totally delete the contents of this article and substitute something else in January 2009? Carlossuarez46 02:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I think we would just add a new section at the top. Kappa

• Comment: We'll keep the anti-American nonsense to a minimum, shall we? While I'm sure that the hegemonic empire on your southern border causes you great pain, it is not my fault that our own officials carry more sway than your own, and acknowledging the fact is not "foolishness." Yes, the American First Family is known across the world. Is this really a surprise? Come now...think. History21 03:17, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Just my guess, but I bet there's a significant percentage of Americans who don't know Mrs. Bush's first name, and I'd bet even money that at least half of Americans could not name the two (?) Bush juniors. Certainly, people around the world know there is a First Family, but beyond that, they are mostly blissfully ignorant. I'm not sure where your leap of interepretation came from that I was dismissing as foolish the fact that your officials carry more sway than ours. What I was dismissing as foolish was the statement that "everyone knows about the first family". Clearly, this is hubris. Denni ☯ 01:54, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment
• "*It is a Brit, isn't it?"
• "*When Barbara and Jenna Bush go out drinking, you all hear about it."
• "When one of the Blairs does something notable, NO ONE CARES."
• "I don't even know who Tony Blair's children are! "
• "I couldn't tell you if Jacques Chirac even has a wife, let alone the woman's name if he is married."
• "Hows about keeping the american nonsense to a minimum."
  --Jcuk 09:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  

• Comment: How's about using proper grammar? (Notice the apostrophe in "how's.") When referring to an American, we use capitals. Don't ruin a (I'll admit) fairly clever attack against me by using flawed punctuation. It just really, really upsets me, almost as much as the still silly assertion that the U.S. First Family does not merit its own article. By the way, I must commend you for using my own statements to demonstrate my "american [sic] nonsense," alluding of course to my own use of "anti-American nonsense." That was quick. Your astuteness however, does not make up for the fact that everything I said was true. Sorry. That it was true. For you, anyway. History21 00:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oh, and another thing that really grinds my nerves: "hows about keeping the american nonsense to a minimum [sic]." should clearly have a question mark on the end of it! Oy, vey! Periods, my dear British friend, mark the end of a statement, and question marks the end of either a direct or indirect question ("How's about doing this?" It's not exactly a command, more of a suggestion, if you can even call it that). Okay, I feel better now. I wonder if I would get in trouble for vandalizing posts by making them conform to English language standards? Hmm... History21 00:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Where is Roosevelt, or a, the other 20 or so families? -QDJ

• Comment: Wikipedia is a work in progress. Kappa 20:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment:Holy bonkers. I just typed that. Side note, how do you set up the link to your page and all? -QDJ

• Comment:With four squiggles, like ~~~~. I've left a welcome message on your talk page which should clarify. Kappa 20:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: The absence of material on all the "first families" is not a reason to delete it, IMO. However, adding the missing families would not make for a reason to keep it either. It's still redundant, something that hasn't been addressed yet. How do you write about a president's significance as a member of the "first family" in a way that it covers things not covered by the article on that man or the one on President of the United States? How do you write about a first lady's significance as a member of the "first family" in a way that it covers things not covered by the article on that woman or the one on First Lady of the United States? How do you write about the significance of other members of the family as members of the "first family" in a way that it covers things not covered by the articles on those people? A more valuable endeavor, IMO, would be to create articles for the redlinked "Non-spouse 'First Ladies'" and "White House hostesses" from the FLOTUS page. Schizombie 21:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• No, no The First Family is a significant institution by itself. As a collective unit, it is more important than any royal family could ever hope to be. And regarding Denni's comment that many Americans aren't familiar with our own First Family; I feel that any American who didn't know the First Lady and First Daughters' names would have to be almost clinically retarded. People in this country may not be able to tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans, but they're pretty well schooled on the members of the President's family. History21 01:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)History21

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The result of the debate was Speedy keep, improper nom, WP:SNOW Adrian Lamo ·· 02:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Junior Ioane

who? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey 2006 (talk • contribs)

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• Speedy keep. Subject is clearly encyclopedic. Chick Bowen 00:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment player is referenced on nfl.com site [3], have updated article accordingly. Unsure whether this means worthy of a keep (this ain't proper football :-) ). --OscarTheCat^talk 00:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Another athlete article that is destined to be kept --Ruby 01:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• EXTRA STRONG SPEEDY KEEP nominator of AfD is a vandal, nuff said. Moe ε 01:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep, having a hard time assuming good faith on this nom. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted as short article lacking context and non-notable biography. Capitalistroadster 03:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pierce Mathwig

Delete:nn bio. But raised a smile! JackyR 00:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete yup, non-notable. Would suggest a speedy db-bio. --OscarTheCat^talk 00:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete. Per nom. I question even if it qualifies as a bio, but still, delete. --Jay(Reply) 00:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - CSD A7, tagged as such. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 01:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: A7. Notability not asserted, and it's probably non-existent anyway. --Kinu ^t/_c 01:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ifnord 21:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmad Treaudo

who —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey 2006 (talk • contribs)

Comment: This AfD was created and edited by the above user and not listed at AfD; I've now listed it. No vote. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy keep. AfD is not for expansion. Chick Bowen 00:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable as article currently stands. --OscarTheCat^talk 01:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It is simply a stub. As a side note, I find questionable the recent unsigned, unreasoned AfD postings. --Jay(Reply) 01:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment All athlete articles get kept, as surely as all school ones do --Ruby 01:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. 20,000 Google hits on a member of the Atlanta Falcons team. It's a valid stub and satisfies WP:V. Antandrus (talk) 01:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• EXTRA STRONG SPEEDY KEEP nominator of AfD is a vandal, nuff said. Moe ε 01:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, would be speedy keep but a good-faith vote to delete has been made. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable gridiron player. Would have been speedy keep if not for good faith delete vote. Capitalistroadster 03:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Jim62sch 04:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong 04:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. He's on the practice squad, not the team. Is this a relaxation of notability standards? Is he the athletic world's non-notable equivalent of an understudy who never gets onstage? Monicasdude 16:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Very weak keep he is a memember of the practice squad of the team, still not in the team yet, Most players who are in the practice squads don't normally go higher and normally get released, clearly bad timing for the AFD, possible delete later if he gets cut and don't play a pro game. --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 02:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep on the verge of NN. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 04:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --James 01:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy keep, seemingly improper nom, WP:SNOW. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] C.C. Brown

too little info —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey 2006 (talk • contribs)

Comment: This AfD was created and edited by the above user and not listed at AfD; I've now listed it. No vote. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy keep. AfD is not for expansion. Chick Bowen 00:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. AND please, the lister, stop listing stubs and so forth here for expansion. --Jay(Reply) 01:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment All athlete articles get kept --Ruby 01:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• EXTRA STRONG SPEEDY KEEP nominator of AfD is a vandal, nuff said. Moe ε 01:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marcus White

Who is this guy he is not a football player —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey 2006 (talk • contribs)

Comment: This AfD was created and edited by the above user and not listed at AfD; I've now listed it. No vote. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• EXTRA STRONG SPEEDY KEEP nominator of AfD is a vandal, nuff said. Moe ε 01:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

* Speedy keep per related nominations, and endorse speedy closure with a few more speedy keep votes. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Abstain. Adrian Lamo ·· 06:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Verify and keep: and the unsourced template. Wait a week. Then come back for deletion if it is still unsourced. --CyclePat 02:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Why is this a speedy keep when it seems to be about a non-notable PHD student who is a member of a band of questionable notability The Special Patrol Group? --Martyman-(talk) 03:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete possible speedy. This is an article about a student who plays for a Aussie rock group who I doubt meets WP:NMG. I suspect the people voting keep think are discussing the NFL player. No Google hits at all for "Marcus White" "Special Patrol Group". [4].

Capitalistroadster 03:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- --Martyman-(talk) 03:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't really see anyone looking for an article on this guy anyway. I could be wrong. Check back in 20 years. Jim62sch 04:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Terence Ong 04:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Ambi 06:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete seems non notable member of questionably notable band ...maelgwntalk 10:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per maelgwn Sliggy 14:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not notable! TVXPert 14:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep ---Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable. Intentions and credentials of nominator not relevant. Ncsaint 17:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Martyman --Ruby 18:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Googling for the name plus the supposed claim to fame yields precisely zero hits. Guy 18:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nothing here worth keeping. VirtualSteve 21:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. Cnwb 22:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn, note that the keep votes are because of the nominator --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 02:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - I don't particularly care, I was actually brought here by a vote recruiter. Cyde Weys 06:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Ambi 04:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. --Roisterer 08:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy Keep as invalid nomination. Capitalistroadster 05:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terrence Murphy

too vague —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hey 2006 (talk • contribs)

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• Speedy keep. If the article has problems, clean it up. This is not what AfD is for. Chick Bowen 00:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per Chick Bowen. Also, the article doesn't have the "too vague" problem. Kusma (討論) 00:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• EXTRA STRONG SPEEDY KEEP nominator of AfD is a vandal, nuff said. Moe ε 01:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep obviously Dlyons493 Talk 04:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per Chick Bowen. --Terence Ong 04:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ifnord 21:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurt Wise

Noted only for being a creationist and for teaching at a notable college --Ruby 01:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete insufficiently notable although he gets a few Google Scholar hits for Baraminology and some 100 Ghits for same. Dlyons493 Talk 01:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: If 'he' were to try and suppress my views I would holler like hell ( whoops ... A Freudian slip there!!) So why should I want to suppress his?--Aspro 01:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• I don't want to supress his views, I want a WP article about a non-notable teacher to go away. --Ruby 02:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. He is notable enough for Richard Dawkins, perhaps the world's most prominent evolutionary theorist, to write an article about him and his views. (See the link in the article.) dbtfz^talk 01:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - the Dawkins article does it. -- Jonel | Speak 03:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Jim62sch 04:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable young earth creationist, and highly notable for actually having a relevant degree. JoshuaZ 05:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Unusual story of a creationist with a background in paleontology -- I think he's notable as a result, especially if he's written about by evolutionists. -- Samir ∙ ^T_C 08:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Samir. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per most other keep comments. Monicasdude 16:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Notable in that many anti-creationists question the credentials of creationists. Here's one with a degree in science from a prestigious university. Logophile 15:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep He's the only person to earn a Ph.D. under Steven Jay Gould and still believe in a young age for creation. Just because he does not covet the spotlight does not make him and his accomplishments not notable.

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The result of the debate was delete all articles. Mailer Diablo 01:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Remixes of Beyonce Songs

All of the articles on Beyonce's singles contain information about their most notable remixes and alternative versions. This article, as with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Kelly Clarkson Remixes and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mariah Carey remixes, fails to establish the notability of any of these remixes or if they were officially commissioned by Beyonce's record label. WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. Extraordinary Machine 01:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:

• List of Hilary Duff Remixes
• List of Ashlee Simpson Remixes
• Gwen Stefani Remixes
• Lindsay Lohan Remixes
• List of JoJo Remixes

Extraordinary Machine 01:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all per nom. I agree with the precedent established in the previous AfDs, in that this is listcruft, and all useful and verifiable information should be and is already located at the respective artist pages. --Kinu ^t/_c 01:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, at least some of them are remixes by notable musicians. Kappa 01:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Not every remix of every song by a notable musician is worthy of mentioning in an encyclopedia. Some of the songs themselves aren't even notable enough for their own articles, but that's another matter. Extraordinary Machine 17:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
    • We can't make a comprehensive encyclopedia of songs without at least mentioning notable remixes. Kappa 17:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Please, don't delete this. I worked hard on them. Researching for hours. PLEASE DON'T DELETE THEM! Wait, if I edit and put a section for unofficial mixes/versions, will please keep this one.Hill03 2:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Fine, I don't care. I might as well forget about being here. I come here to give helpful info. But every single time I contribute it's deleted..Hill03 2:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or, at the most, merge with related articals. ---J.Smith 02:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• I'll give you my stupid contact if anyone wants any of these list. TV.com user tooty33. Hill03 2:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all per nom. Who cares about remixes? Jim62sch 04:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, remixes are not notable. --Terence Ong 04:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. And whining? Pish posh. --Avery W. Krouse 05:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all as per nomination. If any have achieved chart success or anything to make them have notoriety other than dance floor airtime then merge them with the single/artist's page. -- Greaser 10:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all: per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all: per nom. TVXPert 14:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per kappa. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. If verified, the content should be incorporated into the text of a comprehensive discography and placed in context, but a stand-alone list is not encyclopedic. Monicasdude 16:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all per nom. Listcruft, not encyclopedic, anything notable here can be mentioned elsewhere. ergot 18:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all Notable remixes is probably good research but should be placed in a comprehensive discography as per Monicasdude. VirtualSteve 21:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as remixes of notable artists are notable. Also, these are far from "indiscriminate" lists. Turnstep 23:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all If you want to have lists of remixes, list them with the orignal songs instead of a useless list. UncleFloyd 03:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all as lists apparently created just for the sake of having such lists, i.e. listcruft. Stifle 21:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as Beyoncecruft. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 04:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 01:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Leisure Coffee

No references, no google [5], unverifiable. Kappa 01:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Kappa --Ruby 01:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - The AFD notice has been attempted to be removed by anon IP. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 01:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Probable hoax. Their last album was "The Sock Put-its" and they are working on a 19 minute epic song in response to "Stonehenge" by Spinal Tap. Thatcher131 01:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep: only on the principal that we should follow wiki process by putting up WP:V unsourced first. Give the editors time to find something. Etc... etc... Seeing as this is a new article I assume these may be new editors. So I would sugest we not be so WP:DENSE and follow wiki policy to make wiki a friendlier place not a discouragement. --CyclePat 02:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as blatant hoax. "M.R Smith, previously a wandering Eucalyptus tree salesman based in Mexico and the United Arab Emirites, stowed away in the hold of a huge drug-paraphenalia smuggling ship, to The Gold-Paved streets of London Town, where he survived for two weeks by eating his own shoes and hat." dbtfz^talk 02:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. A band that would pass WP:NMG would turn up in a Google search. It's bullocks. PJM 04:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. Jim62sch 04:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong 04:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Avery W. Krouse 05:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. as a hoax. feydey 13:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. TVXPert 14:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Real band...the lack of internet reference is explained —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.192.96 (talk • contribs)
  • Unfortunately reality is not enough, verifiability is essential. There's also the question of WP:MUSIC. Kappa 01:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • So even if the band is real, if there is no internet proof, it's not considered Wikipedia material?
    • Just because a band is real doesn't mean it necessarily qualifies for having its own wikipedia article. It also must be notable. See this link for what is required for a band to be notable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MUSIC --Xyzzyplugh 14:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Knowitall 18:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable band. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 04:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete and support moving all WP lists here. :) - ulayiti (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Keepers of Lists

Somewhat well-known website, but does not appear to meet WP:WEB criteria for notability Choess 01:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, "somewhat well-known website". Possible merge into List of list websites. Kappa 01:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Alexa rank about 300K, no vote --Ruby 02:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge, since there is some notability. --Terence Ong 04:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment This website was mentioned in the 505 Weirdest Websites book. I will not create a page containing every website in this book as I do not have the time, but if someone else has that book, we might want to think about merging it with that. smartyshoe 14:02 February 19th 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable and indiscriminate. There's no knowledge here, only noise. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kappa. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete does not appear to be a notable website (high Alexa count, low inbound link count) and article is trivia. Although this does raise an interesting possibility: perhaps we can move all the listcruft off WP to this place, which seems to exists precisely to host the most trivial, and cruftiest lists imaginable. Guy 18:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Guy. Not at all notable. Amcfreely 19:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, funny, but not notable. Renata 23:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge per Kappa. Turnstep 23:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Response to Guy I don't think they (the people who work the website) would be too happy about that. A matter of fact, you'd get in big trouble. I do not own the website, but contact the people who do. It is an interesting possibility, but I doubt it will work.
• Delete, and transwiki all the lists from WP there. Stifle 21:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Angry response to Stifle For the second time, WE CANNOT MOVE OUR LISTS THERE. First off, I don't even know if making links there is possible, second of all, you may contact the head of the site at admin@keepersoflists.org asking if it is okay, but I seriously doubt it. DO not contact me, I am not anyone with authority. Smartyshoe 21:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Lighten up! It's a frivolous and humorous suggestion, not a real proposal - GFDL prevents any such action. Just zis Guy you know? 22:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable. Ifnord 21:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 01:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Matt Seager

Unverifiable see WP:V. Kappa 01:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• A Google search finds several different Matt Seagers, but none of them appear to be porn stars. Delete as per WP:V unless reliable sources are provided to verify the article. --Allen3 ^talk 02:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• strong keep delete: article was just started. This appears to be a bad faith nomination because Kappa skipped a few step. One, add the Verify template. Two... Keep your cool. Three... comme back tomorow or in the next few days. (And if you're not purely evil you will have given a notice to the user that started the page). ;) Comme back in a week. I've come back... changed my mind I have scene no attempt to ameliorate this article. It is unsourced. I now agree that it should be deleted. Even speedy delete. --CyclePat 02:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Fairly obvious hoax. dbtfz^talk 02:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Note also that creator of the article, User:Hhmatt, is a vandal. dbtfz^talk 02:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Nothing on IMDB --Ruby 02:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Unverifiable, likely hoax. --Kinu ^t/_c
• Delete: per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unverifiable. Since extensive attempts have been made at verifying it by several voters, that is unlikely to be fixed by waiting. Guy 18:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, while I usually procedurally keep new articles that get AfD'ed without a chance to develop, this one had at least enough time to cite a source or two, and didn't. Adrian Lamo ·· 20:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and dbtfz. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 00:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Stanek

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• See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruin Mist for Stanek's books

I don't see the sense in arguing over this page. Let's delete it, and move on.

I propose deleting Robert Stanek page to end controversy, and move on to other pages. My vote to delete the rest of the Robert Stanek pages as well. Eakers4 01:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete it all, and lets move on to more important stuff. Eakers4 01:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete all I agree. It's not worth fighting over. It is a shame wikipedia seemed to be a cool place, but everyone's so hateful. Next thing you know they'll be yanking the Chris Paolini pages. Soulrunner 01:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Isn't that kind of a non-sequitur? What's the connection? Has anyone proposed yanking the Chris Paolini pages? —rodii 02:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete Per nomination and previous AfD held today. Moe ε 01:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

1. Changing vote to Keep per Alkivar's vote. Moe ε 03:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep guy is himself notable, his [FICTION] books are not. He has worked for 2 major publications and has clearly made a name for himself as an astroturfer.  ALKIVAR™ 01:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah, this is where I get ambivalent. On the one hand, he's not a major writer, as far as can be determined. On the other hand... at least three admins here have said "oh, him" or words to that effect, which does suggest he's got at least some recognition... Shimgray | talk | 01:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep I strongly suspect that the user nominating this article for deletion is a Robert Stanek sock, as is Soulrunner. Now that the Ansible controversy is mentioned on the page, there is a reason to keep it. Stanek may not be notable for his fantasy novels, but he is notable for his suspected shenanigans. Zora 01:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Alkivar. This person has apparently done something real (ie, contributed to the shelf on the computer bookstore that will, in immortal words of _why, crush us all one day) besides being just loud and notorious. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 02:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• keep and verify: This process appear to be "out of process". Just put a verify sign up and come back in a couple days. --CyclePat 02:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete Per nomination. If it stops the bickering. Jnb27 02:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Zora. Like it or not, Stanek is notable for the allegations of sockpuppetry in marketing his works, whether they are true or not (he said carefully). —rodii 02:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete it Per nomination and AfD. What's going on here is it not right. It would seem there are better things to do with your time. Jnb27 02:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Please don't vote twice. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 02:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and verify. There's almost certainly something funny about this AfD. Adrian Lamo ·· 03:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete Why wasn't this deleted already? 4.230.105.246 03:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Per nomination and previous AfD held today for Ruin Mist. Enough already with the personal attacks. 172.164.196.220 03:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, with inclusion of the Ansible controversy and history on Amazon.com and Usenet. It's Interesting that those who created the page and the astroturf are now calling for its deletion. He and/or his fans have made their bed, now they're going to have to lie in it. 69.213.249.15 04:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Grammar edit 69.213.249.15 18:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC) new perm ID Synthfilker 02:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Delete it. 69.213.249.15 should be banned already, along with the rest of them. 165.247.191.244 04:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete Enuf already Bcbuff 04:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)User has 4 edits total to Wikipedia, counting this --Calton | Talk 06:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete Tired of seeing it. Agreed 69.213.249.15 should be banned along with 69.216.236.40 at the least. This kind of crap shouldn't go on at wikipedia. 172.156.172.88 04:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Inquiry I should be honored, I guess... Mind enlightening me as to just exactly what I've done to merit being banned? Please be specific, and cite exact transgressions. 69.213.249.15 04:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC) typo fix 69.213.249.15 18:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC) new perm ID Synthfilker 02:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Can someone help me out here? Recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross (US) would surely be notable enough to keep but I can't see him at Distinguished Flying Cross Society - Roll of Honour what am I missing? Dlyons493 Talk 04:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Not being on the dfcsociety.org web site isn't definitive - it does require that you be in the society to be listed there, and there is a fee for membership. As proud as he seems to be of the award, though (since it seems to be mentioned prominantly in every bio I've seen), you'd think he'd be a member. There is a list available from another group of DFC recipients, but it requires proprietary PC-Only software to access. Someone on a PC might want to check it out. It's at [6] 69.213.249.15 05:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC) typo fix 69.213.249.15 18:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC) new perm ID Synthfilker 02:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete the lot! All the controversy is crap and shouldn't be included at any rate. Deepd 04:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)User has 5 edits total to Wikipedia, counting this --Calton | Talk 06:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Ansible scruff should be removed at any rate 172.147.251.178 05:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Laugh. This is one of the funniest, oddest AfDs in a while. rodii 05:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Irrelevant Napols 05:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)User's first edit to Wikipedia. --Calton | Talk 06:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• As I stated in the AFD for Ruin Mist, Stanek is an oddment. Stanek is infamous throughout science fiction publishing. What tends to happen is that a completely non-notable book is put out in the Stanek name, and then hundreds, if not thousands, of positive reviews begin to flood web-based reviews websites. Oddly, these reviews are all identical. Now, I'm not saying that Stanek himself has anything to do with these reviews, any more than I'm saying that the sudden flurry of Stanek-related articles on Wikipedia are anything to do with him personally, but the long arm of coincidence stretches only so far. Ironically, if this article is kept, it should be for those very reasons, but should be rewitten to reflect the fact that his only "fame" is through this astonishing spamming campaign, for which he (or someone who is a big fan of his) has far more talent than he does for writing fiction. In some areas of fandom, the verb "to stanek" is starting to mean "to overhype junk writing ("e.g., to say "Tis Perry Rhodan book is brilliant" would be to stanek). If you're looking for some references for all this, BTW, I can proffer [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]... overall, I'd favour a delete, though On second thoughts, the gratuitous self-promotion is probably worthy of an article - but if it is kept, it may need serious edit-protecting to stop the Stanek supporter(s) from bowdlerising it. Grutness...wha? 05:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC) (vote reconsidered and changed Grutness...wha? 22:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC))
• Keep as per Alkivar. Capitalistroadster 06:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - so many anons wanting it gone makes it rater suspect. Note to other admins: If this keeps on getting keeps from real users we should speedy keep it. gren グレン 09:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Why is it that content disputes get dragged into AfDs? The article is a mess at the moment, so fix it. The subject of this article seems to me to be notable, so what about the article is against the policy? Batmanand 11:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep at least for now. Dlyons493 Talk 12:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Zora. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable online jackass/thug. Monicasdude 16:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a biography on a non-notable author for a vanity press who's too dumb to know that Slavic languages are not Romance languages. Batmanand, if you feel so strongly that it needs kept, I suggest you try to fix it. BrianGCrawfordMA 16:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Think of it as consumer protection for fantasy-literature readers. --Calton | Talk 03:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep the article exactly as it is, and keep it protected. ergot 18:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep in a form that Stanek will hate. The more he hates it, the better the article will be doing its job of documenting a man whose vanity exceeds even that of a certain Southern Baptist preacher. Guy 19:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep until at least this sock-puppetry subsides. Amcfreely 19:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, with a laugh at this AFD... I will just pop in to whoever closes this that anon's votes dont count and the users in single-digit edits probably shouldn't, either. -AKMask 01:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable wannabe and obvious astroturfer. Book articles are probably fancruft though. Haikupoet 02:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This author's fame (or perhaps infamy) deserves note, if only as consumer protection. --Calton | Talk 03:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable guy. This is a rather funny AfD, with anons telling us that we should "delete it, and move on", and that they're "tired of seeing it". You're obviously not tired of telling us about it. Grandmasterka 08:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable in a bad way, but still notable. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 23:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I agree notable for being offensive, but that's still notable. Georgewilliamherbert 22:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep in current form--aka a way Stanek won't like. I've been lurking around observing the bruhaha over Stanek for awhile now and it seems to me he has become notable for his astroturfing and trickery, if not for any of his writing. ArrowHead 00:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep no one is entitled to a controversy-free article. Carlossuarez46 02:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment A search of the RSS archive for Best Sellers in Fiction shows one or more of the books on the bestseller list on 5/5/2005, 5/27/2005, and 6/2/2005.

• A search of the RSS archive for Best Sellers in Science Fiction and Fantasy shows one or more of the books on the bestseller list on 7/1/2005, 6/2/2005, 5/27/2005, and 5/5/2005.
• A search of the RSS archive for Best Sellers in Kids shows the books one or more of on the bestseller list on 6/24/2005, and 6/23/2005.
• A search of the RSS archive for Best Sellers in Mystery shows one or more of on the bestseller list on 9/2/2005. 4.154.208.199 23:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• LAUGH Let's see, that's on his publisher's web site? Just how difficult is it to be on your publisher's best seller list when you're the only author they publish? Synthfilker 01:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• You gonna give us a source, or do we just have to take your word for that? --Calton | Talk 00:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Kooky or not, reasonable notability. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 04:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment What is being referred to is RSS newsfeed which requires a subscription to the feed. I archived the feeds referenced above: 1. Any one can subscribe to a feed and get archives. 4.154.212.74 19:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• RSS newsfeed from what?? Amazon? Stanek? The NYT? My mom? rodii 19:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it's the feeds at Audible. So this is audio books. rodii 19:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was redirect. Shanel 01:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] God Save The Manics EP

Delete, article already exists at God Save the Manics Davis "Suede" Hurley 01:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to God Save the Manics. Seems like a no-brainer. dbtfz^talk 02:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a duplicate of existing content and an implausible candidate for redirect. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to God Save the Manics. Capitalistroadster 04:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to God Save the Manics. That's why I put the merge tag in there in the first place. Strange to bring it to Afd and bother everyone. Just be bold and redirect if that's what you want. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to God Save the Manics. --Terence Ong 12:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per Terenceong. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was already redirected. Shanel 01:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citizenship in the World Merit Badge

It's not clear what this article is about. It's ungrammatical. Nothing links to it. Bcrowell 01:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to List_of_merit_badges_in_the_Boy_Scouts_of_America -- the lack of context makes it a candidate for CSD/A1, but a redirect may also be appropriate. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nonsense. Same user authored Citizenship in the World Merit Badge Merit Badge, which I just put in the prod queue. --Lockley 02:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - Jonel has worked on it, in context it now makes sense, keep or redirect. Cheers Jonel. --Lockley 05:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Lockley --Ruby 02:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete half baked original research. Go back to drawing board 201.121.165.129 03:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America) (note - this is where the page Adrian mentions itself redirects). Both are This is an actual merit badges awarded by the Boy Scouts of America. While certainly not deserving of an articles of their its own, it is certainly conceivable that someone might look for them it here. -- Jonel | Speak 03:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

  Edited upon realizing the "other one" was not Citizenship in the Nation Merit Badge as I somehow misread it, but really just a mangling of duplicating the Citizenship in the World Merit Badge. Support the prod-ing of the meritbadgemeritbadge. -- Jonel | Speak 04:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Note - following my comment above, I cleaned the article to give some context and grammar. Still think it's undeserving of separate article and continue my recommendation of redirect. -- Jonel | Speak 03:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

A redirect is fine with me. I'm not quite clear on how it can have text and still be a redirect, but I'm happy with any solution that doesn't just leave it as a dysfunctional, unintelligible article, which it no longer is.--Bcrowell 04:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

My text is meant to be temporary, just to let people at this AfD know what the context is. I expect it to go *poof* as the article is redirected. -- Jonel | Speak 05:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that redirect, User:Jonel :) Adrian Lamo ·· 06:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America), per Adrian Lamo. PJM 04:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect Jim62sch 04:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Redirected to Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America) -- if anyone has a problem with this, or a better idea, please let me know :) . Adrian Lamo ·· 06:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I might have waited more than 5 hours from the original nom before removing the AfD notice, but seems to be harmless in this case. Turnstep 00:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I call 'em as I see 'em, and I couldn't see it being controversial on this one. If it seemed otherwise, I woulda proposed it first. Thanks for the feedback tho :) — Adrian Lamo ·· 04:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
      • No problem. :) I'm perfectly happy to support this redirect, for the record. Turnstep 04:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. Shanel 03:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The diamond sea

• Non-notable band. DELETE. Georgia guy 01:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete -- CSD A7, tagged as such --lightdarkness ^(talk) 01:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete unfortunatelly not notable, however I suggest we transwiki to wikimusic. Oh! wait wikimusic don't exist. never mind. --CyclePat 01:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete unfortunatelly. And transfer to wikimusic. Oh wait that don't exist. Never mind.--CyclePat 01:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete if they become famous they can rewrite the article. --Tone 02:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Currently working on their first record, the article says --Ruby 02:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 00:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of UK railfan jargon

Delete Not encylopedic, dictionary definitions WestchesterGuy 01:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• User accidentally transcluded debate from first nomination. Fixing now. Fixed. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep It's better to have one list of dicdefs than many stubs about each dicdef --Ruby 02:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep. This was debated last month and closed as Keep. Article spun out from Railfan after discussion. The nom who is new to wikipedia must provide a better justification to reopen this debate. -- JJay 02:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as previously kept article with no new rationale for deletion. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Wiktionary. WP:WINAD. I'm somewhat hesitant due to the rather recent debate, but there were few contributors in that debate & I think both this and the US list should go. If not transwikied, I still think it should be deleted. --Karnesky 09:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep My vote reasoning remains unchanged ("Pages like this have wide and longstanding precedent; see Computer jargon (created September 30, 2001), List of baseball jargon (March 11, 2003), List of lumberjack jargon (November 4, 2003), Mathematical jargon (October 5, 2004) and Poker jargon (April 18, 2001) for other examples of this type of article. If this article is deleted for the reasons stated in the nomination, then all of these need to be deleted for the same reason."). Since I don't see afd nominations for any other jargon pages, I don't see a valid reason to remove this page. Slambo (Speak) 11:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • 'Comment I am going to call for those pages deletion, as they don't belong. Will this make you happy? Frühstücksdienst 03:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
    • If they are deleted, then I will change my vote, but not until the policy is evenly enforced. Slambo (Speak) 13:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• See also the current Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of marijuana slang terms, though. --Karnesky 16:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per Slambo. Batmanand 11:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong 12:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Unencylopedic, unsourced. Perhaps merging with railfan ariticle would be better? TVXPert 15:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I guess, since I know many of these phrases from my trainspotting days. Guy 19:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Have any of you read Wikipedia guidelines? Wikipedia is not a dictionary. BrianGCrawfordMA 21:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Nor is it an indiscriminate collection of information, but if you want to know why trainspotters talk excitedly about spamcans and hoovers, this is where you will find out. Guy 22:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• keepJcuk 23:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Slambo. Turnstep 00:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a dictionary, just read the damn guidelines. I am also voting against the US version, too. FunkyChicken! 01:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is not a dictionary entry. Calsicol 01:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Refer especially to "WP:WINAD#Wikipedia is not a slang or idiom guide" and "WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a dictionary" where lists of definitions, including jargon, are included in dict defs. Unless someone can defend putting this on List of glossaries, it doesn't belong in WP & is better suited for Wiktionary. --Karnesky 02:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Are you going to nominate list of internet slang or shall I? Guy 11:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• I was just citing policy, which notes that a dictionary entry is more than just a single dict def. Let's handle one AfD at a time! --Karnesky 13:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Per nomination. UncleFloyd 03:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete violates article guidlines, and per nomination. NYTVGuy 16:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Useless, needless, and seems to go against the policies of the Wikipeida. ShyLou 17:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• -Note: User's fourth edit. -- JJay 18:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as unverifiable, unencyclopedic and indiscriminate. -- Krash (Talk) 18:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete because not sourced. Keep with sources. Pavel Vozenilek 20:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • A lack of sources is not sufficient grounds for deletion. There are several Featured Articles that lack sources, even (although their featured status is coming under review, they are not being considered for deletion because of it). Slambo (Speak) 12:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• The non-existence of reliable sources would be grounds for deletion (WP:NOT a publisher of first instance) but oin this case there is plenty of evidence of currency of these terms from other sources, even though they are not cited. Terms like "hoover" are common currency in railway modelling and railfan magazines; these are not available online, but "teh Intarweb" is not the world, somethign we often forget when we can't find somethign on Google. Part of the point of Wikipedia, for me, is to bring stuff which you'd otherwise have to visit the library to find, onto the web. In this case the article is substantially more useful than things like the lists of hacker jargon, since there is already an authoritative source of hacker jargon at the Jargon Files, and all we're doing is mirroring it and sometimes adding unverified cruft. Some of this information is hard to find. But then, I'm a reformed trainspotter from before the days of Google, when you had to be inducted into the brotherhood before you knew what the f**k they were talking about... Just zis Guy you know? 13:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep. Most if not all of the problems with this article can be rectified with a little TLC. SchuminWeb (Talk) 14:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There are several webpages dotted around the internet with slices of jargon, some with just one or two entries some with more. There is no central respository. As Slambo said, other lists of jargon are accepted, even when we are duplicating effort. This and the US railfan jargon article were recently spun out from the main railfan article as the two lists were starting to take over. There is also no point in merging the two lists as rail terminology is probably the area where British and American English are the most different. Thryduulf 18:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Just because there are some fan sites on the internet doesn't mean it belongs in an encylopedia, especially when people say it doesn't fit its guidelines. JAA01A 18:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• They say that, but I'm not convinced they are right. Just zis Guy you know? 21:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per guideline violations. WashingtonWillie 22:23, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Thryduulf. Useful glossary. Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:45, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't care how useful it is or how many other web sites have lists, since it violates established Wikipedia policy it should be removed as soon as possible. ConeyCyclone 18:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per my earlier votes on Marijuana & US railfan. Thanks Slambo for pointing out the consistency in keeping this list. Carlossuarez46 18:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOT and others. Toasthaven2 19:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment If the article violates the Wikipedia guidelines why shouldn't it be deleted? Those who want to keep it must want to kill the Wikipedia by subverting its rules. That is just wrong! WestchesterGuy 21:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The only reason I haven't AFD'd the precedents I mention in my vote reason is to avoid making a WP:POINT. If this article is deleted, the others should be too for the same reason. Slambo (Speak) 21:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I don't think your vote should count. It seems not to make any sense, as you seem to think that just because other things are, this should be. It needs to go just like the others! Frühstücksdienst 03:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Note: User's second edit since August 2005. Slambo (Speak) 13:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It goes against the rules so bye-bye. And all the other jargon lists should meet the same fate. Frühstücksdienst 03:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I think people are voting for keep for this because they like the article but it violates at least two Wikipedia guidelines. Just because something is useful or essential should not be kept if it violates established policy! Frühstücksdienst 14:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Believe it or not, we actually agree on part of this debate - pages that violate WP policy should be deleted. My vote reasoning points out established precedents for articles of this type. If they are deleted as well and the policy is evenly enforced (it doesn't look likely with the vote counts there right now), I will then change my vote. Yes, I am a railfan, but that in itself is not the reason for my keep vote. Slambo (Speak) 14:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Precedents need to be changed and the articles need to be deleted. You have a vested interest as you seem to be a member of the Trains WikiProject, but the article should be deleted since it goes against policy, as all the other ones like it. Frühstücksdienst 14:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
      • And that's exactly the reason I mentioned them in my vote comment. If they are deleted and the policy is evenly enforced, then I will change my vote. Slambo (Speak) 14:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per JJay. Kappa 14:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per BrianGCrawfordMA SquirrelKabob 20:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 00:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automobile ownership

"Prod" tag removed with the reason "legitimate disambiguation page". I disagree. This is not a disambiguation page in the way that I have seen them used on Wikipedia. This page is more of a Category - or more accurately, a sub-Category of Category:Automobiles. This is not an encyclopedia article. CrypticBacon 02:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as well-meaning but misguided. dbtfz^talk 02:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC). Change to weak keep in light of recent revisions. Still seems like a strange topic for an article, but what the hay. dbtfz^talk 17:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• expand and keep: nice category... or list of articles. This appears to be a draft that may have room for expansion. I like it. If worse come to worse, merge with automobile. However I can see much regional differences, Canadian ownership, US ownership, photo's scans, how to? Where to go? etc.. --CyclePat 03:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

it disturbes me to see that this should probably be an article stub with clean-up tage and attention... not a dissambigation. --CyclePat 03:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - has some potential. Should probably be kept iff changed to an article about automobile ownership rather than a list of links. Current content is not helpful, especially given Category:Automobiles. -- Jonel | Speak 04:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment As of right now this article has been greatly expanded to take on a different form. However, I am still unsure if it meets quality standards. My main point of contention is that even though the information is helpful and true, it is not encyclopedic. This article is analogous to "Dog ownership" or "Goldfish ownership", with seperate paragraphs on 'selecting your pet', 'feeding your pet', 'grooming your pet'...etc. Vote for Delete, but merge and/or redirect. CrypticBacon 04:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• KeepThis deletion proposal was based on the disambiguation page by the name of 'automobile ownership' I have took time to expand the page into an actual article and request that it be kept and expanded. Tutmosis 16:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep There are many people who would like to research this topic and who are courious what an ecyclopedia entry concerning it may state. It is useful and informative adn will cater to the needs of quite a few visitors. Besides the deletion request was based on a small dismbig I created. Since then, however, the article has evolved into a real article that is of use to Wiki visitors. Signature^brendel 17:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep This topic has potential, but in the present incarnation appears to require more substance, including the personal pros and cons of actually owning the thing as well as the social and transportation ramifications of private car ownership. Ramayan 22:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment A bit of an odd entry. Possibly more suited to wikibooks? --Interiot 00:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for now. Current article has some merit, certainly doesn't violate major Wikipedia policy nor satisfy deletion criteria. -ikkyu2 (talk) 07:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment This article has definitely improved since I nominated it. However, yes, it still feels like an extremely bloated dicdef ("Automobile Ownership is the sum of all the aspects associated with owning an automobile."?) Wikibooks seems like a good place for this article - it is more of an instructional manual or help page for those interested in the topic than it is a true encyclopedia article. This article also flirts with original research. If we allow this page, what it to stop us from creating pages on pet ownership, home ownership, or stock ownership? All of these seem like they would be either disambiguation pages, Categories, or Wikibooks. My vote (not a "real" vote since I'm the nominator) is transfer the material somewhere then redirect the page to Category:Automobiles. CrypticBacon 08:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Simply within my municipality I can think of much documentation that exist on vehicle registration. I myself have dedicated the last 2 years of my life on how to register a motorized bicycle in Ontario. I have official documentation (published and a lot un-published). There are government publications, books, official correspondances, etc. that exist on how to, what to. There are laws that exist (official publications). I think I could easilly make an encyclopedic article on vehicle registration here in Ontario let alone the rest of the world. Heck I think I could make an article on registration of motorized bicycles registration... oh wait I have made something like that it's called Electric bicycle laws. (not quite the same but it does cover registration!). Wikibooks may be an interest place to expand the article once it becomes to big. (they allow that!) They however don't allow original research (though they are less strick about it at the current moment). If you are interested in starting a book please contact me for I've started a book called How To Ride The Bus. However, on this subject, I consider starting a book at this momment, a type of fork. --CyclePat 02:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Kappa 02:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 01:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Universal testicularism

Delete as non-notable nonsense. This link should tell you all you need to know about this article. - CorbinSimpson 02:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as obvious silliness and send to BJAODN. dbtfz^talk 02:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The article itself says, "it has not yet recieved recognition." --Ruby 02:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - certainly non-notable as noted by Ruby. Possibly a hoax. —ERcheck @ 02:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I've actually heard of the cult and it is fairly secretive. IT's been growing rapidly and is becoming more notable by the minute —thebovine @ , 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as hoax. Ifnord 03:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• DeleteJim62sch 04:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as nn-club per self-admitted non-notability. Kusma (討論) 04:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and weak BJAODN per dbtfz. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as Wikipedia:Complete bollocks. Capitalistroadster 06:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and BJAODN per Dbtfz and Kinu. --Nkcs 07:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I've BJAODN'd it (the funniest part anyway). dbtfz^talk 07:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, obviously. Pure nonsense. VegaDark 09:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Pavel Vozenilek 15:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Sorry. I just HAVE to do this!!! Delete as COMPLETE BOLLOCKS! Jcuk 23:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete with regret that it even still takes up space in BJAODN. Turnstep 00:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Capitalistroadster and VegaDark. --OneEuropeanHeart 02:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per nomination. UncleFloyd 03:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Satisfies WP:BALLS. -ikkyu2 (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• BJAODN, Uncyclopedia, and delete. — Rickyrab | Talk 02:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Done. — Rickyrab | Talk 02:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete It's a hoax. Knowitall 18:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deletion by User:Neutrality Adrian Lamo ·· 06:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clinton Desveaux

Delete. Vanity page for a blogger. Google doesn't show any actual published writing. Watchsmart 02:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Ruby 02:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• delete:Interesting character. Considering my origin. Would like to meet him some time. Unfortunately this doesn't seem like a notable person. And there has been a sign up requesting verification. Unfortunate that whoever wrote this didn't put their sources. --CyclePat 02:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete per nom Jim62sch 04:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 01:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Thousand Eyes

Unverifiable offshoot of AfD candidate The Leisure Coffee. Album by a group with exactly zero relevant Google hits. (of the four hits for "the leisure coffee", all are about ... well, coffee.) No vote. Adrian Lamo ·· 02:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. 5 google hits for "The Leisure Coffee" none of which are relevant. Monkeyman 02:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep for now Déja vu. But in 10 days delete if no source is added. I also think it is good faith to put the verify sign up first. (new article, giving new editor time to find his way) --CyclePat 02:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I've contacted the author on their talk page. They'll have ample time to look into this while this AfD runs its course :) . Adrian Lamo ·· 02:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. It's bogus. PJM 04:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. feydey 13:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Monkeyman --Ruby 18:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --† Ðy§ep§ion † ^{Speak your mind} 19:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jeniferever

Under the guidelines of WP:MUSIC this band is not notable. No full lengths albums according to the article.

• Delete per my nom. ---J.Smith 02:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Just one EP out on the street --Ruby 03:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable musical group. Adrian Lamo ·· 06:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable, fails to meet WP:MUSIC guidelines. --Terence Ong 06:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Doesn't seem to meet WP:MUSIC. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable as a prime example, along with Sigur Ros, of European post-rock music, recommended by Drowned in Sound and music blog after music blog. 73,000+ Google hits. This vote won't change the consensus, but maybe will be noted when they inevitably appear on AfD again a few months from now. zafiroblue05 | Talk 06:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Listed on lots of music blogs, reviewed in national media (The observer), keep keep keep. :) I make it 99,400 google hits for "jeniferever". Full length album will be out in a matter of days in sweden, and in the UK early march.

Comment: WP:MUSIC "Has released two or more albums on a major label..." ---J.Smith 02:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Then why do we have a very lengthy Arctic Monkeys article, when they have 1 album. It's not a hard-and-fast rule.

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hermiverous

Delete 0 google hits, Possibly a made up word Joelito 02:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Not listed in the OED, so it is very likely to be a hoax. Delete. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 03:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ruby 03:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. No trace of it. PJM 04:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Is Hoaxerific a word? --lightdarkness ^(talk) 04:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as made up word, hoax. --Terence Ong 05:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable unstable neologism, i.e. protologism. Adrian Lamo ·· 06:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as being non-cromulent. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete' per nom. TheRingess 06:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and close debate; we've reached consensus. Daniel Case 06:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per everyone. Arbustoo 09:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination and others. TVXPert 15:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cobalt Agent

Dubious claims to notability; however, really nothing there. James084 03:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Hansnesse 03:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete. A7: non-notable individual. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 03:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Traffic Rank for cobaltagent.com: 4,483,702 --Ruby 03:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• source it or kill it --CyclePat 03:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. PJM 03:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - I have removed the speedy tag, as the article is about the website rather than the eponymous author. Agree that the article needs sources indicating notability or should be deleted. -- Jonel | Speak 04:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong 04:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Megaplx 10:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Sources have been added throughout the article and references are at the bottom of the page.

But sadly it is still not notable. GeorgeStepanek\^talk 07:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Megaplx 10:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC) So a website like www.angrypatrioticbastard.com wouldn't be notable because it isn't in the top 100,000?

The problem I see is that the reference section just doesn't make sense to me. Follow WP:CITE... And unfortunatelly, this seems to be an inherent problem for most articles here at AFD. If we simply put ""unsourced"" and guided new commer to wikipedia we would be developing a friendlier place. And we would be making much more productive and credible articles. The links that are provided, I feel, are no different than linking to google and then saying "search." It is imparitive to have a well sourced article. After that... you have to deal with notability. Obviously if your article is well sourced this shouldn't be so bad. However some less notable people have been removed from wiki. Good luck! --CyclePat 20:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I agree that a deletion nomination is not the way to make a friendly wikipedia. However, citation issues aside, the article needs to meet Wikipedia:Notability (websites). --Hansnesse 20:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - page appears to be nothing but pagerank boosting Tawker 07:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Megaplx 10:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC) The page was simply added for the information. It was not intended for "pagerank boosting." This is my first article, so I am open to suggestions for improving the article.

• Delete Per nomination. TVXPert 15:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bloredom

Appears to be a protologism/neogolism with 34 google hits, delete per WP:NEO. Hansnesse 03:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete deserves to be speedied as advertizing for a club or organisation without notability. Bobby1011 03:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment a user, presumably a sock puppet, has removed deletion tag several times. Most of the google hits are pornographic websites that have the word as part of a massive list designed to pop up on a wide array of searches. It isn't even a notable neologism.Bobby1011 03:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Bobby1011 --Ruby 03:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Jim62sch 04:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete --Terence Ong 05:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete as non-notable unstable neologism, i.e. protologism. Adrian Lamo ·· 06:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as self-admitted protologism. "The word has been coined by two German students"... do I even have to say it? --Kinu ^t/_c 06:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. TVXPert 15:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Amcfreely 19:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Me. Mea Culpa. Ifnord 03:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Giftware

Neologism? Hoax? I gets tons of Google hits for giftware, nothing to do with software - just crappy stuff you give to people. Add search of "giftware" and "software" and I still get lots of hits - about software to find crappy gifts. Ifnord 03:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep At least some people the term for software [12], [13]. --Hansnesse 03:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

You found the reference I couldn't. Withdraw my nomination. Ifnord 03:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to freeware --Ruby 03:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was nomination (by me) withdrawn, no remaining votes for deletion. Chick Bowen 16:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brigadier General Dennis Hejlik Dennis Hejlik

Listed at copyvio, but taken from a public domain .mil site. Still, it's hardly an encyclopedic article; it's just a resume, and doesn't indicate that this is more than just a distinguished but hardly historically significant officer. My vote is for deletion. Chick Bowen 03:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC) After very impressive rewrite by Jonel, nomination withdrawn. This is the right way to use public domain material. Chick Bowen 16:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

To clarify my vote -- lots of things aren't historically notable. Most athletes aren't, schools aren't, the news of the day isn't, on a long enough timeline, few if any of us are. But that doesn't mean these things shouldn't be in an encyclopedia. An officer of general or admiral rank is encyclopedic imho. Adrian Lamo ·· 05:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'd sure like to see this article become something more than the cut and paste it currently is. However, if nobody loves this article enough to fix it then I would say Delete and hope that somebody adds a much better article later. James084 04:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to update my vote to Keep. Jonel has shown the article a lot of love and I agree that flag officers are notable. Thanks Jonel for your work! James084 14:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete --Terence Ong 04:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup. --Terence Ong 04:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - flag officers are notable. I've fixed it up a bit. Recommend moving to Dennis Hejlik. Gets some decent Google hits that could be used for further expansion. -- Jonel | Speak 04:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I would concur with the above suggestion. James084 05:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Agree that flag officers are notable. Keep. Adrian Lamo ·· 05:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom unless something notablity is added. Arbustoo 09:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as his position makes him notable. --Rob 09:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Well done to Jonel for the rewrite. Capitalistroadster 10:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paperclay

Advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by user:Jim62sch (talk • contribs)

• Delete, per nom. PJM 03:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete ad --Ruby 04:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as ad. --Terence Ong 05:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as advertising garbage. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as Advertising Junk®, available at Wal-Mart for only $13.99... Buchanan-Hermit™..CONTRIBS..SPEAK!. 07:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete, If this is deleted, why not delete Play Doh, Silly Putty, Sculpey, etc. as advertising? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.55.84.64 (talk • contribs)

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete by User:Essjay Adrian Lamo ·· 05:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ?-?

Some type of game, originally under CSD G1, but moving to Afd. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 04:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

)

I have no idea what he just said, as of "CSD G1" or "Afd".

I don't think I'm asking too much to leave such a simple game in a wiki page.

I think people are forgeting what wiki is.

And the Nothing begins to grow...

--Cacumer 04:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Wiki games like this are OK in the Wikipedia: namespace, but should not be in the main (article) namespace. -- Daverocks (talk) 04:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to wikipedia:?-?. Thanks for the suggestion. But I think it would be best, in that case, to use redirect, since I already started the game like that. I just hope people will be able to understand or at least respect that. Keeping in mind the basis of what wiki really means. I'll be happy to delete the article from the main namespace if it is voted forward that direction, but I hope I won't need it. Thanks. --Cacumer 04:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Per nom. I hesitate to use the redirect either, since as much as is possible, encyclopedic content should be seperated from namespace (except where absolutely necessary). --Hansnesse 04:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, and re-tagged as such. Adrian Lamo ·· 05:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

can he do that, again? --Cacumer 05:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Adrian Lamo ·· 05:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. – Sceptre ^(Talk) 12:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resident Evil 4 (film)

• Delete This movie turned out to be nothing but vaporware, since according to ComingSoon.net, the studio aren't even sure whether they're going to produce a fourth film. Source:http://comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=13115 Jonny2x4 19:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Screen Gems has announced the film way back in 2005, stating they will have distribution rights in America, Australia and Asia. If the film was scrapped wouldn't Screen Gems announce it to the public by now? Empty2005 08:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• "Please do not remove or change this AfD message until the issue is settled", like it says in the tag, okay? --Calton | Talk 05:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: No. They never officially announced a fourth film, only the possibility of doing one. There's no concrete plans on doing a fourth film and everything in this article is nothing but speculation and gossip. It's the same reason why every single article on Batman Begins 2 gets deleted. Jonny2x4 20:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Even in the absence of an official announcement, it seems fairly clear that there are well-established and credible plans and expectations for this movie to be done. The article states (I'm assuming truthfully, until someone changes it) that "Producer Paul W. S. Anderson has signed onto the project and may write the script", so obviously there is at least a hypothetical project within the studio for him to sign onto. And if nothing else, it appears that the plans themselves for this movie are notable enough for an article (i.e., the article can be about present plans and verifiable reports instead of about a nonexistent future movie). –Sommers ^(Talk) 21:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

• Even in the absence of an official announcement... Bzzt. Game over: unverfied crystal-ballism. --Calton | Talk 05:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball."
• Delete Crystal ballage --Ruby 23:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep anounced films to do not fall under "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball". savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 00:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• The crystal ball objection is not for the announced film, but for if and when it will be announced. --Ruby 04:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep sounds notable. --Terence Ong 05:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Pure crystal-ball: in Hollywood, nothing is settled until the cameras begin rolling and sometimes not even then. See Development hell. --Calton | Talk 05:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. If they haven't even confirmed if they'll make the film, that's crystal ballery at its finest. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Sonys has confirmed possible creation of the film as the script details of Extinction still stand to lead into the forth film. If the plot details have changed for the third film somebody please provide a source, otherwise the film is still in early pre-production stages. P.S. why was this article was nominated twice for deletion when you cant even prove the film wont be made? Empty2005 08:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• ...when you cant even prove the film wont be made? You've got it precisely backwards: you need to prove it IS being made. And your use of weasel words isn't doing that. --Calton | Talk 08:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per common sense. Adrian Lamo ·· 09:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per common sense. This is an announced film! Batmanand 12:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re-Up Records

Non notable Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 04:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Ruby 04:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong 04:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. TVXPert 15:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete yet another reason we should have wikimusic. --CyclePat 20:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete isn't notable. --James 01:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete - patent nonsense / non-notable group. Rhobite 05:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deadly elite

This organisation isn't notable. Bobby1011 04:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Ruby 04:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete Oooh, scary @@. Jim62sch 04:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete as unnecessary dicdef. - ulayiti (talk) 17:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Course of action

• del, a bureaucratese definition for a self-descriptive phrase. mikka (t) 04:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete self-descriptive phrase as indicated by nominator --Ruby 04:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong 05:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all above. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• very strong keep: This is out of process. Since when do we delete an article because it is bureaucratese. I've never seen that in valid reasons for deletion. Perhaps you meant to say this needs verification. In that case we should follow proper procedur and put up the template of unsourced. This is a term that appears to be used just as much as PR, HR, etc... I would also like to point out that there are some on google "define:". By clicking here you will realize that according to google there are 2 definitions. Expand the article. --CyclePat 20:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete! I can't believe this isn't unanimous. It's exactly the kind of thing that should be deleted. It's a self-explanatory dicdef. BrianGCrawfordMA 21:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Anyone have a military planning (MORS) or decision science background? I'd be happy to discuss why this article is important to those in these fields. Those that have commented (above) must know a lot more than I do about the relevance of this information in these fields. Cask05 23:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

See edits to article. Cask05 14:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

comment: I might not be able to prove that this article should be kept but I sure may be able to prove why it shouldn't be deleted. This article is sourced. This article respects No Original research policy. This article is a true article not a hoax. This article is suitable of wikipedia. This article passes the test of WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC,WP:FICT because it doesn't fall within those categories. This article doesn't seem to be a copyvio. This is not a category gone awry. This is not a redundant stub or template gone awry. This can definatelly be more than a dictionnary article. (ie.: the addition of various historic military examples, other examples, etc, digrams, images. etc...), this article is not a source text either. Conclusion: This article doesn't need deletion... as per WP:DP it needs {{attention}} or perhaps, because there are already some excellent references and sources, simply some {{cleanup}} and {{stub}} to expand it! I think the nominator should be slaped for failling to notice that there are two collumns in WP:DP. One is delete nomination the other is "Problems that don't require deletion." Hastily jumping into such deletion process has not saved anyone here, any time. Summary:page doesn't seem to violate any deletion policy rules. This article should be kept (as per my above vote). --CyclePat 02:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

comment: b.t.w. google only give http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22Course+of+action%22&meta= 10'100'000 hits for the term "course of action." --CyclePat 02:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep as #1 hit well above any 'notability' threshold. - ulayiti (talk) 17:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When I'm with You

There's already an article for the band, the song was not notable Jim62sch 04:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Anyone know if it's notable enough to be worth a redirect? Adrian Lamo ·· 05:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, it is -- the single was a #1 hit in the USA six years after its original release. Redirect to Sheriff (band) since most of the content of that article already appears there anyway. --Metropolitan90 09:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 06:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per User:Metropolitan90. Adrian Lamo ·· 09:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Number 1 hit in two countries makes it notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 10:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, #1 hit in two countries. Kappa 14:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, if only for the fact that there's no album page (Sheriff (album)) for it to be merged into. Extraordinary Machine 16:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep hit song. There's also a hit single by Sparks with the same title, which could probably be added to this. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• comment: here again is another reason why we need wikimusic. --CyclePat 20:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep if sourced as #1 hit. -- Jonel | Speak 01:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Note that Wikipedia precedent has already clearly established that songs are, in many cases, notable enough to have their own articles separate from the band that recorded them. Just as a fr'instance, we have articles on My Humps, Around the World, Who I Am Hates Who I've Been, Mr. Brightside, Me Against the Music, El Caminos in the West, The Ketchup Song, Sing for the Moment, Because I Got High, Young Guns (Go For It), Bonzo Goes to Bitburg, Orinoco Flow, Do the Bartman, Rocky Mountain High, Are 'Friends' Electric?, Tangled Up in Blue, Darling, Je Vous Aime Beaucoup, Blood on the Dance Floor, Harlem Shuffle, and that's just picking a few random selections from the dozens of songs filed in subcategories of Category:Songs by year. I'm really not too clear on how "When I'm With You" can possibly be considered some special case of non-notability under the current consensus on song articles. It's either keep, or try to build a clear consensus against song articles in general (and, well, good luck trying). Bearcat 03:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:AFDP. Songs are not notable. Mention on the album page and/or redirect. Stifle 21:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Clear keep, per keep votes above. 70.52.167.191 02:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep song articles, especially chart toppers, are fine by me. --Alf ^melmac 11:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intercom pages

Poorly written article, apparently created for advertising Choess 04:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Ruby 04:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 04:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong 05:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all above. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Telephhone Sharing

Poorly written article, apparently to advertise Intercom pages Choess 04:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Ruby 04:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Avery W. Krouse 05:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Terence Ong 05:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per all above. I give them credit for misspelling the title, too. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Skater fashion

This article consists of Original research. The author lists what he holds to be the most popular dress of skaters and categorizes them into classifications layed down arbitrarily by himself. Bobby1011 04:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Daniel Case 06:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV - No girl skater fashions listed --Ruby 14:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Girls missing. Pavel Vozenilek 15:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Skateboarding. Potentially useful cultural information, but doesn't merit its own article. dbtfz^talk 18:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NPOV. Stifle 21:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. As a skateboarder, this is ridiculous. Doesn't deserve to be here. --Liface 22:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. TheRingess 22:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2639

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball Bobby1011 05:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• No actual content. Delete.Bjones 05:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete as reasonably covered under CSD/A1, and tagged as such. Adrian Lamo ·· 05:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per Adrian --lightdarkness ^(talk) 05:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Article redirected to 27th century by User:CrypticBacon. Implausible redirect, but sure, why not. Adrian Lamo ·· 05:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per Adrian. --Terence Ong 05:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete — It is actually nonsense (if the history is any indication), but the year itself shouldn't redirect to the century... What happens when 2639 rolls around? ;) Kareeser|^Talk! 05:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: It'd be nice of User:CrypticBacon dropped by and explained his reasoning :) . Adrian Lamo ·· 05:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. We do not have enough content for 2639 to be a stand-alone article. If it redirects to 27th century, the reader/editor will understand this and subsequent edits to significant predicted events in that year will be placed in 27th century, until 2639 grows near enough and/or gains enough information to warrant its own article. I'm a little uncertain why this redirect is considered "implausible". Comments/thoughts? CrypticBacon 07:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. It's implausible because there's not a significant demand for information on the year 2369 at this time, and it's unlikely that anyone will get to the target article through the redirect. That said, obviously your edit was in good faith, and I'm not adverse to having it stand, but consensus is running towards deletion, and speedy deletion at that. This is why I hoped you might come by and offer reasons why a redirect would be better than deletion :) Adrian Lamo ·· 07:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

First off, thank you for realizing the redirect was in good faith. Hypothetical: If the creator of 2639 were to have simply created a redirect, instead of posting a bunch of gibberish, what do you think would have happened? Would it have gone up for AfD or simply been left alone? I venture that if I were to go and created "8675" as a redirect to 87th century, no one would really have a problem with it. Sure, the chance of that redirect being useful is slim, but nonetheless it is a sensible redirect. It's not as if the redirect is misleading or unthruthful. CrypticBacon 08:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

All of the above is true. I did say that I wasn't adverse to letting it stand. I still think it's unlikely to get much use, but if it does, then so much the better. Adrian Lamo ·· 08:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

:Keep Mostly it indicates astronomical events to happen then. Maybe the Moon will be destroyed by aliens or a rogue black hole will disrupt the course of planets, but generally you can estimate the time of conjunctions or eclipses centuries in advance.--T. Anthony 07:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Nevermind I was reading the redirect to the 27th c.--T. Anthony 07:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per common sense. Who in their right mind will actually look this date up?! Hence it falls under Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Batmanand 12:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fayette county productions

Group of kids calling themselves a production company. No noteworthy projects or productions. FCYTravis 05:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Non-notable is an understatement... --Kinu ^t/_c 06:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. - Liberatore(T) 13:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ruby 14:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Babajobu 11:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] StillSmallVoice Network - Nottingham, UK

University Christian club. Demonstrates no particular notability outside Nottingham University. FCYTravis 05:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Disagree slightly, as it is known around Nottingham (not just the university), and several of the speakers and organisers who have been there are notable in Christian and non-Christian circles at a national - and international in some cases - level. Many are prominent in international political, social justice and fair trade movements also. The scope of the network extends well beyond that of a "Christian club." I haven't yet had the opportunity to provide links for many of the organisations who have been represented by and at the network.
• It has further novelty as - to the best of my knowledge - this is the first organisation of it's kind in the UK. A further reason it has been listed is as the name of the society doesn't immediately suggest what it is.
• This entry mirrors those of some other UK Christian Student Societies in terms of its notability such as the Christian Union movements, or indeed the entries of churches or their pastors. I'd suggest that it needs to be considered at a similar level as all of them as it is just as arguable that they are not notable outside their immediate cachement area. I'll try and move it to a more appropriate category if someone can tell me how! Any further thoughts? irish_admiral 13:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• • Delete No data on alexa, which means its about as popular as my personal web page --Ruby 14:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • How does it compare to those others I mentioned? Incidentally, I used the search bar on alexa and it was the first search result... although it doesn't crop up on the traffic as it's relatively new and rough around the edges. The same is true of those others I mentioned, and they still appear to be here. Also, as I pointed out, it's more useful for that which it reports about rather than the name of the network itself. Eg. Type in Soul Survivor, Oasis Trust or Tearfund websites into alexa, and I presume they'll get more of a response.irish_admiral 16:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and no Alexa rank to speak of. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Is anyone going to answer my question? Is your criteria purely based on Alexa traffic rankings? irish_admiral 21:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Four external links, zero wikilinks. Advertising, albeit well-meaning. Delete. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 22:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Hello? Is this an encyclopaedia or a micropaedia? Is this a discussion page or people just saying things? I can put in at least one current wiki link if it helps... irish_admiral 22:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Try rewriting it so that it doesn't look like a brochure or advertisement. (I'm not one to harp Alexa rankings, so I can't comment there.) -- stillnotelf has a talk page 23:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. University clubs and their websites aren't inherently notable. AndyJones 20:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:VSCA. Too many external links, sets off my WP:BALLS alarm. Stifle 21:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

  
  

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The result of the debate was redirect to Underwater basket weaving as it's already been merged. - ulayiti (talk) 17:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Underwater Basketweaving

Non-notable. Delete. Neutrality^talk 05:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Strange as it sounds, I do hear this referred to quite frequently and have for years. Is there any better place in the Wiki for it to go? --Avery W. Krouse 05:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — I consider it more of a joke than an actual "phenomenon". Perhaps the Uncyclopedia? Kareeser|^Talk! 05:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Move to wiktionary. I've heard this used for many years, too, but I can't see how it could be encyclopedic. Daniel Case 06:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with the correctly capped Underwater basketweaving. --Karnesky 09:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Karnesky --Ruby 14:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• I've merged what I consider the only mergeable part, the external link. The rest pretty much duplicates the better article (which is actually at Underwater basket weaving - three words). I'd recommend a redirect at this point and closing of the AfD. Turnstep 00:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 01:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patrick Byrne

Delete. Vanity page. Does not meet criteria for notability. Tomstoner 05:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to Overstock.com. Mr. Byrne is not notable outside his involvement with Overstock.com and thus does not deserve his own article. CrypticBacon 05:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep CEOs of leading companies are notable --Ruby 14:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or keep Kappa 14:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Mr. Byrne is a particularly ... interesting[14] CEO. Adrian Lamo ·· 19:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This article is missing the most important thing which makes this CEO VERY notable: his conspiracy theories about short sellers targetting his stock. Its been all over the financial news recently. I will be adding this to the article now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.157.13 (talk • contribs)
• Keep and cleanup. Seems notable in his field. Capitalistroadster 23:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per notability. Turnstep 00:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Mr. Byrne's enemies will use this page to further malign him. Please delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ladysnowblood (talk • contribs)
• Keep per Ruby (ESkog)^(Talk) 16:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 01:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brookelyn

Reads like recruiting/staffing announcement. Not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Bjones 05:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete and add the included e-mail address to various spam lists. :P --Kinu ^t/_c 06:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not monster.com. Daniel Case 06:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete That's the first time I've seen a help-wanted ad on WP --Ruby 14:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Brooklyn as plausible misspelling. dbtfz^talk 18:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom James084 22:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Shanel 01:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chicken Fries

Possible advertisement or non-notable. Redirect to Burger King or Fried chicken? Avery W. Krouse 05:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable (if disgusting) fast food item. I don't think "chicken fries" is trademarked by BK. If that is true and it is just a generic type of food that BK happens to serve, article should be moved to Chicken fries. dbtfz^talk 05:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: mmmmm .... chicken fries ..... *drool ... . Adrian Lamo ·· 05:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable enough. Arbustoo 09:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect as per Avery W. Krouse. -- Arnzy | Talk 13:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, or disambiguate, needs to contain a link to Coq Roq Kappa 14:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Fast food menu item articles always get kept --Ruby 14:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I have seen these at outlets other than Burger King. Most likey some sort of new food trend. TVXPert 15:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as soon as humanly possible. I don't understand what kind of twisted thinking would make someone want to keep this crap. What Nimrod is going to look this up? The Boy in the Bubble? A hermit in the woods a hundred miles away from the civilization that is Burger King? No, I say. No one will look this up! Anyway, it's pretty self-explanatory what these things are. They're fries -- made of chicken! Hence the name "chicken fries." Besides, they advertise this junk on TV all the time, and if you actually go to Burger King, I'm sure they've got a gigantic, larger-than-life photo of this stuff plastered to the wall. If Dr. Angus doesn't get an entry, neither does this. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but rename per dbtfz. It's a notable enough food item; just because it's not as notable as chicken nuggets is no reason to delete. -- Grev 17:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is the first I've heard of it (probably a good thing) but seems notable enough. We do have articles on Arch Deluxe and the like. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep — per dbtfz. BK did have commercial ads in Canada as well, but that was over 2 years ago! Those advertisements are long gone now. (Although I don't know about the fries themselves...) Kareeser|^Talk! 18:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• strong keep and make sure there is a link for easy access to Burger King (some might even argue to merge it... but I really don't think that's appropriate. All those in favor of merging the two might want to look at electric bicycle vs motorized bicycle. I however think it's good seperate and it's good as is! --CyclePat 20:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, or merge to Burger King menu items. Stifle 21:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hollyoaks fans

Delete. Non-notable fansite, very low Alexa rating, no reasons given for its notability. Crystallina 05:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete The link at the bottom of the Hollyoaks article should be enough Flowerparty■ 06:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, obviously. ... Fine, I'll add a reason: Alexa rank of 2,966,045. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above --Ruby 14:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 02:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jeremy Dorfman

There is no Jeremy Dorfman, at least not in the context of this article - which claims he's an obscure Batman villain based on Greek and Middle Eastern mythology, created by Jack Kirby and soon to be featured in a Frank Miller article. Aristagoras 06:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete The article claims future notability --Ruby 14:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, possible speedy as CSD:A1. Stifle 21:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 01:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1993 Phish Tour

Unencyclopedic fancruft. Daniel Case 06:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Phish is the successor to the Dead, and about all they do is tour --Ruby 14:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete per nom. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. If TV shows have articles devoted to each of their episodes, I don't see why eminently notable bands can't have well-documented articles devoted to each of their tours, especially bands whose live performances are the center of their art. Monicasdude 16:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

This article is about more than the tour. It gives a setlist for every single show. I don't think we do that for the Dead. I'm open to articles about the tours per se, but not in this level of detail. That's what fan sites are for. Daniel Case 19:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Update: There is Grateful Dead concerts of 1995, which I think speaks for itself as to the notability of this sort of thing from the choice of year. Daniel Case 19:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom. Sure, Phish is great but an article about every year's tour?! Why not go further and have a separate article for every single show? Or another level and describe the "art" employed for each song at each show for each year's tour? Sheesh... Are we trying to become a cure for insomnia? —Wknight94 (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

comment:Actually I think that would be verry interesting. In classical music formation we get the chance to analyse the different genre, style and manerism of compositions via different composers. If there was an article on "Love me tender" I would expect there to be an analisys of the variants that the original singer had. If possible compare it with other notable group that may have sung the song. --CyclePat 21:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, although I guess if somebody feels extremely strongly about this then a merge would be okay as well. Major tour by a legendary group approaching its height of its popularity at the time. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment Before I say keep or delete I want to know why only this tour? What about 1983-85 Phish Tour, 1986 Phish Tour, 1987 Phish Tour,1988 Phish Tour, 1989 Phish Tour, 1990 Phish Tour, 1991 Phish Tour & 1992 Phish Tour? Was 1993 a bad touring year for Phish?CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. We'll see if they're deletion-worthy too. Daniel Case 19:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep — per Ruby/Endomion — If all they do is tour, then perhaps you could create an article for each tour, and then link them all under the category [[Category:Phish Concerts]]. Kareeser|^Talk! 18:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I guess my question is why? These articles just look like various lists of Phish songs over and over and over. It's just being copied from some book. Seems like overkill to me. Why not list every concert The Eagles ever did? Or The Go Go's? Or Cannibal Corpse? —Wknight94 (talk) 20:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep However, I think it is important to make sure the sources are proper and that it is easy for people to get further information. This article is lacking this. Though a reference section is provided, it is awfully small for such a big article. In my opinion we should follow WP:CITE. pick one format? If you find news pappers that would help to. But assided from that I don't understand why we should delete as per the nomination. Unless you where thinking this should be put into wikisource? --CyclePat 21:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Touring is why they're notable. -AKMask 02:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment 2 The set lists may have been copied from here. See this. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 03:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Phish or Phish tours per WP:AFDP. Bands' tours generally do not merit articles of their own. Stifle 20:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. -Mysekurity 05:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redwood Day School

Delete nothing to distinguish it from any other school in the US. Almost certainly lifted straight from school homepage. JGF Wilks 06:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as copyvio from [15] --Hansnesse 06:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Please familiarize yourself with the speedy deletion criteria before voting to speedy delete. Kappa 14:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: tagged as {{copyvio}}. Adrian Lamo ·· 08:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Easiest to let it go as copyvio. Kappa 14:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment All school articles get kept --Ruby 14:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• keep and rewrite article. Jcuk 23:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• delete nn school Catchpole 13:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Copyvio. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 23:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 01:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NiMUD

• Delete software author's vanity page, original research, not-notable and author has made discussion and edits impossible. Jlambert 06:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• That is not a valid reason for deletion. Young Zaphod 17:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Non-notability and original research are two (independent) valid reaasons for deletion. Noting vanity and ownership are important and valid for debating AfD. You might want this kept, but this was a good-faith nomination for deletion. --Karnesky 17:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep You might be having issues with the author, but the software itself is notable --Ruby 14:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as advertisement and non-notable fancruft. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep After a month of editing this article, Atari2600tim Jlambert put it up for deletion because he thinks he's playing a game. Young Zaphod 17:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, Jlambert put it up. --Karnesky 17:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• JLambert is a colleague at Carnegie Mellon who "hates" the surviving author apparantly. It's hard to tell the difference between Atari2600tim and JLambert, because they both revert the article and tear it to shreds on a daily basis. They can't leave well enough alone, and frankly they are overly concerned with this article and should move on to other things. The article is fine as it stands in my book; and I've listened and finally answered all of their requests for citation and ^{[citation needed]} and they still aren't happy. Well, I can't make them happy, I'm not going to make them happy, it's not my job. Young Zaphod 17:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that JLambert's short contribtuion history is fairly "focused," (and his relationship with Atari2600tim is, politely, "suspect"). However, your short edit history also leaves something to be desired. Please don't make ad hominem attacks. --Karnesky 18:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable (per Atari2600tim: <600 google hits--most of them non-relevant or advertisements, the forum has very few posts and very few members, and there is no indication of a substantial current user base or historical interest in this game). --Karnesky 17:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This article has plenty of context. SargonIII 18:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • This edit was SargonIII's first and only contribution --Karnesky 18:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Not from what I can see. Also, he's not. Young Zaphod 19:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
      • The comment was true when I made the post. See for yourself. --Karnesky 20:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Other MUD codebases have Wikipedia pages; if we delete this, most of the MU* Servers category will be wiped out due to non-notability and Google's fickleness. Besides, there's plenty of content on the page. WRT the disputes on here, perhaps this is a case for the dispute resolution processes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam_Pointon (talk • contribs)
  • You have a good point Sam. My primary reasons are original research and it being the author's personal vanity page. It's extraordinarily POV and contains fictional content (see story on how popular the mud was with Gulf War participants on the page - hint Gulf War ended 3 years before the mud ever existed) for one example, which is very different in character from most of the other mud related pages I've read. Clearly it not very notable even in the sub category of MUDS. But I share your concern that all muddish pages would be excised and that's not my intent. It also contains baseless, bordering on libelous, claims against other mud coders...that is to say it is the author's personal repository of crank theories. Jlambert 19:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Other MUD codebases have Wikipedia pages, but they also have more players and more running servers. Just take a looksee on mudconnector or similar at how many people are actually running this type of MUD server. Seems nonnotable to me (I even raised this on the talk page.) Also, I'm not anyone's sockpuppet (check user agrees!), unless we're just redefining that term to 'people who sometimes disagree with Young Zaphod. Ehheh 19:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• So your reason for it being deleted: even though its a widespread, influential software package, because "few play the game" it should be deleted. That has absolutely nothing to do with the article. You're also one of the article's contributers. Young Zaphod 19:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• The number of users relates to notability. Non-notable software shouldn't have articles on WP. --Karnesky 20:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• keep: I'm not to familiar with the subject but it appears to an okay article. Assides from the very very poor reference... (or non comprehensible, or bizar references that link to an email adress!) This also smell like a plain old wiki disputes. This FUCKING pisses me off because no wiki deletion process should be started for a silly disputes. Try to find the source of the problem... write it down clearly. State it clearly. And if it's not a deletion process put that up. I.e.: verifiability template? Come back once you've solved that if you still have problems. I think it's proper to go through pre-deletion process before nominating. It's usually a lot more amicable. --(previously unsigned post by User:CyclePat)
  • I agree, and that's why I nominated the article. Discussion, citation templates, and even mediation was attempted. Thus the basic problems with author's vanity pages in the first place. I especially agree with your comments on the other nomination about making wiki a friendlier place. I encourage you to review the talk pages even though the subject may not interest you itself. Unfortunately I believe other pages in this same category will have to deal with this hotheaded self-promoting person making wiki life difficult for many other good faith contributors. [16][17][18] Jlambert 22:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Look at those weasel words he's using, for shame! 151.201.48.208 23:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• It's not self-promotion when other people edit and change the article, one of which in this case was you, Jlambert 151.201.48.208 23:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable (even for a MUD) via a Google search. I'm also not impressed by all the usenet postings used as "References" at the bottom of the article. Turnstep 01:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable. That said, behavior on both sides has been appaling so far. I'd like to see a RfC on JLambert, Atari2600tim and Young Zaphod. -AKMask 02:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • An RfC has been filed against Young Zaphod. See (and endorse) Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Young Zaphod. I may endorse on RfC on JLambert/Atari2600tim, but don't feel confident enough to file one. --Karnesky 12:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay I looked up RfC for user behavior as I wasn't familiar with it. I was going to write one up on myself for appalling behavior, but it says two people have to send complaints on my behavior to my talk page first. Could someone do that for me? Thank you. Jlambert 02:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete author created page, insists on owning this article and refuses to allow edits by others, not particularly notable; Google test shows primarily Wikipedia mirrors and a few ads. --Atari2600tim (talk • contribs) 13:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep Draktus 06:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• • This is Draktus's first post. To date, he has only four edits: two in this AfD and two in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Online creation --Karnesky 11:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Yet another great Keep NiMUD vote. 151.201.48.208 06:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • User 151.201.48.208 was listed confirmed as a suspected sock puppet of Young Zaphod in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Verbungula and on User talk:151.201.48.208 --Karnesky 11:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Because this is a CONFIRMED sock puppet for someone who has already voted, I've stricken the vote. There are many other suspected sock votes on this page, though...--Karnesky 02:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Easily meets WP:SOFTWARE, especially the part about historical interest. Agree that behavior of past editors is far beyond the pale of appropriateness, as is the haranguing behavior of certain commenters on this AfD. Your opinion's been heard - put a sock in it. -ikkyu2 (talk) 08:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, nn (not even in the now-niche MU* world). As a sidenote, this AfD is displaying some extraordinarily depressing behavior. :\ -Phorteetoo 09:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Important note -- I have moved roughly ~1000 words of conversation to the article talk page where it rightly belongs, 'cos this entry was turning into a furball. Please consider reviewing it before voting. Your comments are still right there, and no votes were harmed in this process. No vote.

— Adrian Lamo ·· 04:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep, NiMUD is notable in comparison to other MUD codebases. The article however has no value in it's current form, a stripped down neutral version would be an asset. The real problem is with Young Zaphod. --Scandum 13:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Phorteetoo. Most of this information belongs on the group's own website, not on Wikipedia. Stifle 20:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Perhaps further editing is required. Eht Lived 21:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: Please see this user's extremely limited contribution history. --Atari2600tim (talk • contribs) 21:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Which is to say THIS AfD, his user page, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Online creation. How many sock puppets do we need in this?!?! --Karnesky 01:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Babajobu 11:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martin Martini & The Bone Palace Orchestra

166 Google hits, fails WP:MUSIC. Daniel Case 07:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per NN. Arbustoo 09:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ruby 14:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. This garbage had me cracking up something fierce: "Martin Martini and the Bone Palace Orchestra is a tight, travelling band of freaks, misfits, and creatures, bound together by fate, music and the knowledge bone deep that they can never go home." Sounds like this bunch of carnies digs Hunter S. Thompson. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The band meets the criteria: Has been the subject of a half hour or hour broadcast on a national radio network. (PBS, Jul 19 2005). The band has also received been featured prominently in the Australian music press (have posted a link to one online article). I have also removed the offending promotional line, cited by BrianGCrawfordMA, and entered a more suitable introduction. Adynata 15:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless the claim by Adynata is verified. Stifle 20:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• KeepThey have featured in the Australian press predominatley, you can view this by clicking on the google link search at the top.
• Martin Martini has also been nominated for a Greenroom Award, which IMO should satisfy WP:MUSIC Has written a song or composition which has won or placed in a major music competition not established expressly for new comers.. I'd like to add that this is an Australian artist and the presumption that they are not "notable" simply because they haven't featured in or Rolling Stone or Pitchfork suggests bias and disregard for Australian musical culture.</rant> Adynata 04:01, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Naconkantari e|t||c|m 04:01, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was immaterial. Article has already been deleted by an administrator. Ifnord 21:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tickle me indiwa

Hoax, article doesn't even try to sound legit, PROD tag removed, coming to AFD. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 07:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nom --lightdarkness ^(talk) 07:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete; hoax, and sanction article author. Time-traveler unverifiable original research at best, as most of the article is about the future =P . Adrian Lamo ·· 09:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete hoax --Ruby 14:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per CSD:G3. Stifle 20:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. Shanel 07:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comp squad

No enclyopedic value, and it is made by a bunch of high school kids about themselves. Buchanan-Hermit™..CONTRIBS..SPEAK!. 07:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: What happened with this one? The only edit in the page's history is the AfD nomination. Weregerbil 07:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete - It appears that the article was speedied while Buchanan-Hermit was listing it for deletion, I'll have an admin Speedy it. --lightdarkness ^(talk) 07:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Forcery

Delete Google search turns up some hits, but most are directly related to the filmmaker talking about his film. Based on WP:AFDP guidelines, this appears to be a non-notable fan-made film. Also a vanity entry, as article appears to be written either by the filmmaker, or someone very close. MikeWazowski 07:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Sandstein 10:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ruby 14:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. TVXPert 15:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• comment: I couldn't find it on IMDB. [19] --CyclePat 21:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Stifle 20:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• speedy delete... the first time I vote a speedy delete. OMFG! --CyclePat 04:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus leaning towards delete. With the sockpuppetry involved, perhaps a relisting would be useful later on. - ulayiti (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Michael Savage neologisms

• A list of offensive slurs. Intrinsically not encyclopedic. Delete.-Mr Adequate 07:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Slurs? No way . . . Keep Equinox137 09:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• It is encyclopedic because it's very relevant as part of his radio show. Savage references them all the time. In fact, he's even in the process of releasing a new book which labels each personality with a disparaging (most anyway) name. Another thing...saying that they're "offensive slurs" is YOUR POV. Most of the people who listen to Savage dont think they're offensive even when he's putting down someone they like.Keep—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.35.15.107 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 19 February 2006.
• Keep—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.226.239.213 (talk • contribs) 08:57, 19 February 2006.
• Smerge to Michael Savage (commentator) WP:WINAD Schizombie 09:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC) I'll add that the title of the page doesn't seem accurate - is "neologism" usually applied to nicknames? Most of the stuff on the page is punning nicknames, not new words. If the page survives on its own, and I really don't think it should, it needs a lot more context. When Savage uses these nicknames, how does he use them? Does he say something like "Rush Limbaugh, or as I like to call him, Hush Bimbo" or does he say the nickname without ever using the person's real name at all? Also, some of the names seem to indicate faults he finds in the person, but others don't convey any obvious meaning at all. What does calling Sean Hannity "Harvey Wallbanger" mean? That Hannity uses his fists a lot? That he drinks a lot? If his fans want to get really encyclopedic, they'd try to: (1) establish when the name was first used (2) what the name means (if not original research), (3) document whether the name was used more than once, and if so how often (otherwise definitely not notable), (4) whether the use of the name has spread beyond his fans (otherwise hardly notable), and so on. Schizombie 05:35, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge/Keep or WikiQuote. Arbustoo 09:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Wikiquote just like the sayings of that guy on Sealab 2021 --Ruby 14:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge or Delete Just because some guy makes a fool of himself on the radio doesn't mean we need a list of his collected nonsensical utterings. TVXPert 15:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Who is this dumbass and why would anyone want to listen to him? Non-notable, not excyclopedic, indiscriminate, blah, blah, blah. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - a list of neologisms falls under deletion policy. Is this advertising for is upcoming book? —ERcheck @ 16:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge (with redirect for GFDL compliance) to Michael Savage (commentator) any for which a reliable outside source that indicates that they've been adopted by others, received a substantial reaction, or the like. Most Nearly all of what's there probably shouldn't survive the merge Savage says lots of stuff, most of which is not itself encyclopedic. CDC (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC) (modified; it's nearly all unsourced crap and should go. A delete wouldn't lose much. CDC (talk) 01:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC))
• Delete a list of personal attacks used by an (unfortunately) notable radio personality. Not encyclopedic. (ESkog)^(Talk) 19:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• It should be noted that all but 2 people who said "Delete" have a personal, stated bias against Savage to begin with. One wonders if they'd protest it so much if it was someone who they like or agree with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.35.15.107 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 19 February 2006

• Delete. I hadn't heard of Savage until I read the article, so you can't include me in that list. But Wikipedia is not the place to have long lists of neologisms created by individuals, radio-show host or no. Especially since several of these "neologisms" have actually been in use for far longer (I cite [20] as one example). Grutness...wha? 01:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki per Ruby, and put a link in the main article on Savage. Batshit crazy does not equal not notable, but there's other places for lists of quotes and neologisms. Haikupoet 03:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. There is an existing article, and this adds nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.217.150 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 20 February 2006

• Keep. Many of Wikipedia's entries are non-encyclopedic. This entry is funny - isn't that enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.227.8 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 21 February 2006
  • users only 10 previous edits include 9 to the nominated article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BL Lacertae (talk • contribs) 00:29, 22 February 2006.
    • And this is relevant... how? Check out the entry for ad hominem argument, you idiot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.111.227.8 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 22 February 2006.
      • its relevant because it means you have an undeclared vested interest in the article. and you should check out WP:CIV. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
        • "Undeclared vested interest"? Oh, yeah, I'm getting rich and famous off of this article. In fact, my only interest is in the entries I did NOT add. Those I added I know about. Those I didn't make me laugh. Once again, your argumant is ad hominem and illegitimate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.111.227.8 (talk • contribs) 11:01, 23 February 2006.
          • "Undeclared vested interest" is a reference to the WP policy on AfD Etiquette "If you are the primary author or otherwise have a vested interest in the article, say so openly, and clearly base your recommendations on the deletion policy." Since WP is free for users, the vested interest clearly does not refer to monetary interest. I guess if people don't understand what it means it needs to be improved. Schizombie 05:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's relevant to the article, and is Wikipedia not a depositry of information? Some of us would like very much to know what Michael Savage means when he uses those neologisms, and they're funny as well.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.219.144.50 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 21 February 2006.
  • WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information See above - the ones he actually coined (as opposed to having claimed to have coined) that have actually become of some note beyond his devoted listening audience (citations may be needed) can be incorporated into his own article hence my vote above. Schizombie 19:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Not sure where to put this, but it's definitely not encyclopaedic. Slight merge to Michael Savage, transwiki any quotes to Wikiquote, and delete the rest. Wikipedia is a repository of information, but not an indiscriminate one. Verifiablity is questionable at best. Stifle 19:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but transwiki to wikiquote and merge with Michael Savage would be OK too. —Kenyon (t·c) 21:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Wikiquote would depend on finding quotes in which he used the names, wouldn't it? Schizombie 02:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Sure, that could be done. I'd rather just keep the current article though. —Kenyon (t·c) 04:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, or Merge the list is a critical part of his radio show like characters in a book. Plus no more offensive than Rush limbaugh is a big fat idiot, shrub, etc..--Mrdthree 12:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• 'Keep (or Slight merge but it will end up getting split out of a large article anyway): it is encyclopedic and part of the Michael Savage persona. Carlossuarez46 19:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • For the record this WAS a split out of the main article. I'm the one who split it.  ALKIVAR™ 01:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• No Vote as the creator of this spin off article I refuse to vote either way, but I wanted to make my position known.  ALKIVAR™ 01:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. It's like a list of jokes that have appeared on The Simpsons--fans will no doubt be amused, but it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. (A few no doubt belong in the main Savage article.) Nareek 04:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. You guys are ridiculous, it's obvious that most members who are for deletion are simply rabid anti-Savage partisans. Because you disagree with Michael Savage you feel a collection of his famous phrases should be censored and removed from Wikipedia. I agree with the comment that his names are similiar to characters in a book. 1:46 PM, 26 February 2006 (PST) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.65.212.214 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 26 February 2006.

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redshirt Filmette Series

Delete - A Google search brings less than ten returns, and several of these are from Wikipedia itself. Appears to be vanity page. MikeWazowski 07:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Sandstein 10:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ruby 14:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, advert. Stifle 19:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete advert. Thatcher131 03:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Irespective of google hits, it does hold a place in the development of Trek fan films.--Kirok 13:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Non-notable, and advert, per Thacher131 and Stifle. TheRealFennShysa 15:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - A single film thats existence is unconfirmed. Vanity page and advert. Kylebates 10:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Userfied to User:Cacumer/Wiki marketing --Cyde Weys 05:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki marketing

Delete. Promotion for a website.-Mr Adequate 07:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Note that Wiki mark redirects to this and should be deleted if this is deleted.-Mr Adequate 08:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete They can market wikimarketing on their own wiki but not this wiki --Ruby 14:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, spam. --Ashenai 15:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Article creator has on his user talk page: "If you want to know, it is aearly-alpha stage of a game I'm building. It starts on http://www.highsolution.us". That's the same external link used in the article. Delete as non-notable vanity advertisement. --cesarb 16:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity page. --PeR 18:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete so they can get their own wiki going and start making money as fast as it can be printed. Daniel Case 19:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per spam and apparent nonsense. JHMM13 (T | C) 23:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, as ad. Superm401 - Talk 23:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, junk advertising -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resource-A-Day

Delete. Website promotion.-Mr Adequate 08:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete NN Advertising Maustrauser 08:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete spam. --Ashenai 15:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:VSCA. Stifle 19:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete per author request. — FireFox • T • 17:23, 19 February 2006

[edit] Batman vs. Superman (2008 film)

Delete - Fanfilm that doesn't even exist yet. Google search on "Stewart Tassin" brings up *four* returns, and searching for "Andromeda" pictures with Batman and Superman brings up no worthwhile returns. MikeWazowski 07:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Delete - I suppose I might star in Superman IX in 30 years, but you don't see me writing it up in Wikipedia today. Dyslexic agnostic 08:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. eLNuko 09:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unverifiable non-notable reference to fictional work and possible hoax . Adrian Lamo ·· 09:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:V WP:N WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball Schizombie 09:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Crystal ballage --Ruby 15:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Crystal ball. 23skidoo 15:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Unverifiable crystal-ballery. Extraordinary Machine 16:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete, per author's request. [21] Sango123 (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andromeda Pictures

Delete. Vanity production page. Google search turns up zero relevant hits. MikeWazowski 08:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Delete along with Batman vs. Superman (2008 film); totally speculative and doesn't really exist; non-notable in any case. Dyslexic agnostic 08:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as unverifiable non-notable corporation. Adrian Lamo ·· 09:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:V WP:N WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball Schizombie 10:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Let's see what Superman Returns does before talking about its successor --Ruby 15:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Again, smart ones, it's a fan film. FAN FILM = film produced by a fan. This isn't official and does not involve WB in any way. I'm going to put that on the main page now.
• Delete as per the author's request.

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The result of the debate was delete per user request. — FireFox • T • 17:22, 19 February 2006

[edit] Stewart Tassin

Delete. Vanity page for non-notable person. Google search on "Stewart Tassin" brings up *four* returns. MikeWazowski 08:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, IMDB doesn't back the claims in the article. Tagged as {{hoax}} . Adrian Lamo ·· 09:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:VANITY WP:V WP:N WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball Schizombie 10:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Ooh, don't delete For all you know, the guy could have submitted this to IMDb and it hasn't been processed yet. I'm a big supporter of this, and I think if you people would give it some time it'd turn into something big. No, but everything has to be "notable" here.

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Montesquieuian gauntlet

Moved here to AfD from "Prod" quick delete, as this has been edited by two experienced editors and seems worthwhile of considerationif it exists -- zero Goggle hits, but perhaps someone can cite an off-line reference or something? Herostratus 08:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as neologism unless verifiable references are added - it's very odd that something like that wouldn't show up on Google. Sandstein 10:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless sourced. I expanded Montesquieuian gauntlet a bit based on Montesquieu, but only because it was obvious. I now notice that the article creator had added the phrase to Separation of powers just before creating this article. Logical, but unhelpful in determining provenance. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Can't find any trace of this online. Also apparently Montesquieu spoke only of distribution des pouvoirs and not their separation. Dlyons493 Talk 14:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per JeffQ, it seems to be mixed in with original research --Ruby 22:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable, unverifiable neologism, i.e. protologism. See [[WP:NEO]. Stifle 19:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm basing this totally on the userpages of the two editors who contributed to this. They look like people who have been here long enough to understand Wikipedia policy and I'm willing to WP:AGF long enough for them to either cite a reference or admit that there isn't one. There's also no obvious ulterior motive for producing an article like this, unlike most of the neologisms and vanispamcrufisement we get. -ikkyu2 (talk) 08:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 01:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United Virtual Airlines

History of a non-notable website that apparently simulates the workings of a real airline. Site either down or no longer exists after clicking on link in article and a Google search. VegaDark 08:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. Sandstein 10:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ruby 14:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. TVXPert 14:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - this information should be on the (virtual) airline's own website, not Wikipedia. Stifle 19:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. -Mysekurity 05:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 99 Bottles of Beer computer program

This article consists of only a list of source code. It was transwikied to Wikisource months ago, and clearly has no encyclopedic potential. Delete. Dmcdevit·t 08:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete per nom. eLNuko 09:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. Sandstein 09:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as at best Wikisource-worthy. Batmanand 12:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per similar decisions in the past. The website at the bottom is somewhat useful (and quite enjoying for programmers) but this page useless. Pavel Vozenilek 15:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. —ERcheck @ 16:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A handy compendium for quick comparison. Should be fixed so all the samples do the same thing, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.39.32.193 (talk • contribs)
• Transwiki Perhaps a candidate for wikibooks (a type of study guide, right?) or wikisource? --CyclePat 21:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ruby 22:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per nom. —Ruud 01:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Allan McInnes (talk) 02:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. --bmills 04:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete obviously. I can't think of a speedy criterion other than WP:IAR so I won't just nuke it, much as I am tempted. Guy 12:56, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, since already on Wikisource. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-02-20 13:11Z
• Comment. This is in Wikisource as Wikisource:Transwiki:99_Bottles_of_Beer_computer_program, but is being AfDed there too. If you have cast a delete vote under the assumption that the code would be preserved there, please comment in Wikisource:Wikisource:Proposed deletions. I think it should be transwikied, but don't know if Wikisource or Wiki Books is more appropriate. --Karnesky 13:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • It seems like mostly original content, so it should go to WikiBooks instead of WikiSource. --bmills 17:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete, regardless of where it goes. Unencyclopedic, useless. Transwikiing is fine, as no license problems matter for a program so useless. --Mgreenbe 13:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, since we don't need to tote this encyclopedia around with us. Useful entry, and no real reason to delete. Most users of Wikipedia do not consider it a traditional encyclopedia, since it isn't. We dont have space-in-our-backpack concerns here, do we? Kigoe
• Transwiki. Although not meant for an encyclopedia, the information is valuable. -- ^Evanx(tag?) 04:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Modify, the content should be different. Perhaps an explanation of the purpose can be solicited from the refererenced website? Email with request sent to Gregor Scheithauer ekilfoil 12:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The concern about this page is that it is useless and unencyclopedic, not that it takes up space. Why not move all encyclopedic content, such as purpose or utility, to 99 Bottles of Beer? Wikipedia is not a source code repository, so the code doesn't really belong no matter what. --Mgreenbe 13:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep unless List of hello world programs is also nominated. —Etaoin (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment That page has been prodded. Feel free to move it to AfD. --Mgreenbe 21:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • List of hello world programs has been nominated for deletion. --bmills 17:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Charming, interesting, slight amount of editorial commentary already present; encyclopedic readers may enjoy/benefit. I see that I'm bucking the trend here. -ikkyu2 (talk) 08:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• KeepUseful to see comparasons. --michael180 15:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. - ulayiti (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruce Blausen

• Delete - Almost certainly vanity. The creator created a bunch of pages relating to Bruce Blausen in a 5 hour period last July and then disappeared. Richfife 08:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - nn, vanity, agree -- Samir ∙ ^T_C 09:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Apparently somewhat notable within his field per Google[22], but not really notable enough to be considered encyclopedic. Adrian Lamo ·· 09:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep appears to be viewed as notable in field [23] and Google search provides enough evidence to demonstrate notability as published illustrator, whatever the notability of his business may be. Monicasdude 16:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: The keynote speaker at that HESCA.org conference doesn't have an article - and neither does HESCA.org itself - so why would one of the early-morning warm-up acts have one? He doesn't even have a time slot to himself! —Wknight94 (talk) 17:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - He has a lot of secondary Google traffic on pages about other people ("Images provided by Bruce Blausen", etc) and he's listed in a lot of corporate directories, but I don't see much if any original work - Richfife 18:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WKnight94 --Ruby 22:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. - ulayiti (talk) 17:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HT fence

del shameless promo of ordinary fence made of a newer metal mikka (t) 09:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, unless someone from the fence cartel wants to show up and confirm that this is notable in the annals of fence-ology ;> . Adrian Lamo ·· 09:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as advertisement. Sandstein 09:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: At first read, the article has some claims that one might question. Competitive HT fencing? However, that claim is real. See the New Zealand National Field Days competitions. —ERcheck @ 15:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Product brochure --Ruby 22:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Google says it exists. Hudathunk? Denni ☯ 01:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 01:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magic Workstation

The content of this article amounts to nothing more than a mention in "see also"/"external links" at Magic: The Gathering. CrypticBacon 09:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as NN software, agree could be mentioned in external links in the MTG article. VegaDark 09:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbustoo 09:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as advertisement. Sandstein 09:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as ad. --Terence Ong 11:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn freeware --Ruby 22:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was MERGE to Jack Hyles. Babajobu 08:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Hyles Controversy

Delete Not appropriate for an encyclopedia San Saba 17:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, Wikipedia is not a webspace provider for cataloguing grievances.--Isotope23 17:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Controversy should be put on the article page not just deleted. Arbustoo 04:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Arbustoo - Please stop valdalizing Wikis that deal with Jack Hyles and Hyles Anderson College. If you cannot learn to write in a Neutral Point of View, then your edits are just a waste of everyone's time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.212.201 (talk • contribs)

Once again Mr. Board of Directors for Hyles college, I did not write the article. I am merely trying to undo your POV fork. You have been banned from Wikipedia for your behavior. Arbustoo 05:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with the Jack Hyles article. The issues presented were significant to the man's ministry. They are well sourced and referenced. --Awcga 18:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
• Jack Hyles is not so long that a separate article is required for opposing views. Fix POV issues and merge to Jack Hyles. --Craig Stuntz 17:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, looking over the main Jack Hyles page, it appears this POV fork is the result of edit wars there. POV fork is only appropriate in reference to large articles that will benefit from branching off. Jack Hyles is barely a stub and this fork appears to be an "out of sight, out of mind" attempt to avoid confrontation. If these claims are WP:V and can be legitimately sourced without being WP:OR, then protest by those who don't want this information posted in the main Jack Hyles should be ignored and continued reverts by them subject to censure. If, on the other hand, this information is not WP:V or violates WP:NOR, it doesn't even belong on a fork.--Isotope23 19:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Isotope23. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 01:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as above.Blnguyen 02:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge relevant info to Jack Hyles, with care for NPOV. NickelShoe 22:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep As-Is, The Jack Hyles Wiki was originally hijacked by a small and dedicated group of anti-Hyles persons who want everyone to think that their accusations are "significant to this man's ministry" and that they are "well sourced and referenced". Their constant vandalism of the main Jack Hyles Wiki caused a wiki-war. A consensus solution was reached whereby this fork article was created. This solution is consistant with Wiki guidelines on article forking (POV fork) which states, "As Wikipedia articles grow, they often need to be segmented, or branched, into manageable parts. This is an accepted premise for forking an article, and the nature of that split more often depends upon consensus — e.g. a "Criticism of" article may be justified if there is enough (or going to be enough) material to justify a separate article..." Go ahead and delete this article and merge these outrageous accusations into the main Jack Hyles Wiki, but you will surely enter right back into the wiki war again, which no one wants. - GeorgeS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.212.201 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment, again... this seems to be a fork that is there strictly to create an "out of sight out of mind" scenario. The main article has not grown enough to merit a fork. To quote POV fork: "The generally accepted policy is that all facts and majority Point of Views on a certain subject are treated in one article. As Wikipedia does not view article forking as an acceptable solution to disagreements between contributors, such forks may be nominated for deletion." As I said above, if the criticisms of Mr. Hyles are If these claims are WP:V and can be legitimately sourced without being WP:OR, they should stay in the article and anyone who initiates an edit war by repeatedly deleting material should be warned and then banned if they continue. Conversely, if the criticisms are not WP:V or violate WP:NOR then they do not belong on Wikipedia at all and anyone who repeatedly adds this information should be warned and then banned if they continue. Forking just to keep 2 opposing sides from having to work together is, in my opinion, not a supported reason for a fork and is bad precedent. You kids will have to learn to play nicely together.--Isotope23 17:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply to Comment, The point is that we came to a consensus solution here and most seemed to be happy with it, and most thought it was an equitable solution and it ended the wiki-war, or at least it was a temporary "cease-fire". The truth is that there is equal Wikipedia guidelines for BOTH positions (deletion vs. forking). The forking solution will work; deleting this fork will only add fuel to the fire on both sides of this issue. From the last wiki-war, it's apparent that banning IP addresses is not the solution, since both parties seem to have an abundance of methodologies at their disposal for avoiding such control schemes. Please allow me to ask for YOUR solution to this problem-- allowing the anti-Hyles people to place their extremely biased and unproven pet theories and character assassinations on the main Jack Hyles Wiki is NOT a solution that will work without major challenges. The majority of the anti-Hyles editors have proven time and time again that they CANNOT write in a Neutral Point of View on this subject. -GeorgeS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.212.201 (talk • contribs)

• • Comment, my solution is for everyone to read WP:NOT, use the talk page to come to consensus, source their edits (and not with forums or people's personal websites... with factual evidence), and work together to create an article that is NPOV. Again, this is how things are done on countless articles on Wikipedia every day.--Isotope23 18:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't allow POV forks, you should familiarize yourself with the resource. If something is sourced and murder allegations are part of his past it should be included on the main article. Just because his supporters disagree that doesn't give them the right to take it off the page as it never happened. Arbustoo 04:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Arbustoo, perhaps YOU should familiarize yourself with the resource. A fork is clearly acceptible when there is enough material to support it. (Try reading the comments above and checking out the Wikipedia guidelines on forking) AND WHAT THE HECK is this stuff about "MURDER ACCUSATIONS"?? See folks, this crowd just keeps piling on false accusation on false accusation, tell a lie long enough and eventually it makes it into the Wiki. That's crap, sir. - GeorgeS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.212.201 (talk • contribs)

There is not enough material to support a fork in this case, neither article is anything like big enough for that. Addition of rubbish is not a reason for forking (otherwise we'd have hundreds of articles on old smirky by now) - and addition of verifiable material offensive to fans of the subject is equally not grounds for forking. Merge what is verifiable, and if necessary apply protection to prevent addition of unsubstantiated allegations. Guy 00:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

No POV forks. Arbustoo 01:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to articles on school and man accordingly. This is clearly a POV fork. Arbustoo 03:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Jack Hyles. A POV fork here is not acceptable and is clearly meant to hide criticism. Superm401 - Talk 06:58, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

*Keep it here Well, all I can say is that if you rabid Hyles-haters don't abide by Wikipedia's rule of Neutral Point of View, you're edits will be deleted asap; and placing your own personal web site as a "source" is not valid, neither is an obscure rant from a lunatic's blog a valid "source"... if you have valid sources from accepted media or news outlets, that is what makes a solid Wiki. Personally, I think it's a waste of your time, since most of you have proven that you are incapable of writing in NPV style and all the time you spend posting obviously biased trash will be deleted in time due to your non-compliance with Wikipedia policy. -GeorgeS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.212.201 (talk • contribs)

George, only one vote per person. Arbustoo 01:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Merge and Delete move verifiable criticism back to the Jack Hyles page. As some above mentioned this is clearly an out of sight, out of mind page. There is no good reason for this fork given the small size of the Jack Hyles article. David D. (Talk) 22:08, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge what's verifiable to Jack Hyles. It's not over large. Note that the Hitler article has also been "hijacked" by anti-Hitler editors - Hyles is not Hitler, but maybe he is less wonderful than his friends would ahve you believe. Guy 23:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment GeorgeS (User talk:69.214.212.201) has been permanently blocked for making two threats and vandalism related to the Jack Hyles articles. He also revealed himself as a board member of the college (see school talk page), who admittedly wants a certain type of representation of the school/founders on Wikipedia. Arbustoo 04:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge. mikka (t) 09:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Guy. Sandstein 09:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Jack Hyles. Capitalistroadster 10:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge --Terence Ong 11:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and delete; this seems to have been created simply to avoid disagreement at Jack Hyles — not a good reason for an article. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment On further consideration I agree with Mel. This should be merged then deleted. This will prevent criticism from being shifted back on the page; as one can tell by looking at the heated debate at the main article. Arbustoo 20:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to article on Jack Hyles and trim any non-Jack Hyles allegations --Ruby 22:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Jack Hyles. This is a POV fork. Not good. Stifle 19:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Jack Hyles article. Bad POV fork. No biscuit. Herostratus 18:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 01:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conklin Shows

Not notable eLNuko 09:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. BrianGCrawfordMA 15:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep if I knew these where the guys behind all the fairs we have here in canada Holly shit! Plus the revenu these guys bring to our region. Every year they come back. How long has it been? I dunno? But if that's not notable then I really don't know what is anymore. --CyclePat 21:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Informative article. Notable enough, as far as I'm concerned. Vanky 00:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Oh, they're notable enough, all right: did you miss the part where "the organization currently operates the midway services for some of Canada's largest summer fairs including the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto, and the Calgary Stampede"? And even though those two alone would be a slam dunk keep, let's see what else anyway: they do the Pacific National Exhibition, the Ottawa SuperEX, and The Big E in Massachusetts. And, yep, Klondike Days, too. And per this: the Dade County Fair in Miami. Buffalo Days in Regina. The South Carolina State Fair in Columbia. The Greater Gulf State Fair in Mobile. The Prairieland Exhibition in Saskatoon. All in all, this is about as obvious a keep as it gets. Bearcat 09:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Not notable? Are you nuts? They're bloody notable. They do shows all over North America. They do the Calgary Stampede. I'm pretty sure they do Klondike Days in Edmonton too. What a bloody stupid request for deletion. --Dogbreathcanada 09:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I just learned something new. Andreas 13:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Bearcat. Well ranted, ol' chap. -Joshuapaquin 17:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If it were not for Conklin's creaky, out-of-breath rides, most of Canada would not have a summer midway. Denni ☯ 01:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC)