Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2005 May 12

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

< May 11 May 13 >

Contents

[edit] May 12

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 03:06, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin Bowen

Vanity, borderline nonsense. CDC (talk) 00:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC) Less nonsensical now. CDC (talk) 16:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep - Clearly not a vanity piece, since he didn't write it. (unsigned vote from 68.249.89.128 [1] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • i vote against deletion, this article is informative and true.

-Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka

    • the above vote is from 216.179.3.225. Something tells me it's not really Lowtax R Calvete 01:29, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Keep. As for vanity, Kevin Bowen is a relatively well known writer for Something Awful and has been a contributor there for quite a while. As for being nonsense, the article appears to have been vandalised a bit recently. That doesn't merit deletion. R Calvete 01:29, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Keep prolific writer (he also writes for gaming sites), cartoonist, Flash animator, voice actor, etc. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:01, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Like others said, he's not just some random nobody.--DooMDrat 02:29, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Sheesh without context and even sometimes with Indonesia is borderline nonsense I mean what the heck Internet Police--nugz 02:29, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Known SA writer. Nestea 20:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - above the bar of notability. Oliver Keenan 20:58, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - Well rooted internet personality and one of the staples of something awful. (unsigned vote from 64.198.233.104 [2] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • keep -well known from something awful. (unsigned vote from 195.92.168.170 [3] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • keep - He's an internet superstar. -GregNorc (talk) 17:40, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - "well known"? It's an internet writer who gets 10x less hits than an ESPN Page 3 writer. Let's all start up pages on every person who writes on the internet. This isn't a vote its a joke, the SA fanboys and gals are banned from discussion. (unsigned vote from 68.77.90.72 [4] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • Keep - doesn't seem like much of a vanity piece to me, since it's just a factual entry; other something awful updaters are included on wiki as well, so if he's up for deletion, we should get rid of the rest, as well. (unsigned vote from 172.148.89.73 [5] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • Keep - well known from SA. Avertist 23:11, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
  • Keep - perhaps deleting the 'well-known', as anyone outside of SA would probably not recogize him (unsigned vote from AmishCellPhone [6] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • delete - I see SA stuff here all the time its like they're spamming the site. Even in goatse's entry they have something SA related. It's ridiculous, you can't reward spamming. (unsigned vote from 68.77.90.72 [7] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • Keep - WHat, so because something is related to SA it's suddenly not worthy of documenting...? --Squirminator2k 08:37, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - come on guys, nobody wants to read this (unsigned vote from Sean Heron [8] R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC))
  • Delete, or maybe merge with Something Awful. →Iñgōlemo← talk 03:06, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
  • Keep - Fragmaster is known for more than his SA contributions, and has written for other popular websites such as those he worked for on the Gamespy Network. - Shitties
  • Delete, in agreement with →Iñgōlemo← and 68.77.90.72. Ctz 22:32, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Comments

  • Remember to sign votes. Use ~~~~ R Calvete 21:26, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
  • Of 19 votes, I count 7 invalid ones. Wow. →Iñgōlemo← talk 03:12, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:07, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] At The Hip

Information here sounds very dubious. Contributor claims that the information is based on "inside industry information" that he cannot verify. Thus it is either false or unencyclopedaic. — Adam Conover † 00:44, May 12, 2005 (UTC) (Read the entry on Abigail and Brittany Hensel for insight into why the information in this article is highly dubious.) — Adam Conover † 00:56, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

Found source. [9]

  • No, that source is full of copies of Wikipedia content that violate GFDL. It's listed at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/GFDL Compliance under a compliance level of "Low: Fail[s] in a very significant way such as claiming their own copyright without including a GFDL notice". Go to juiceenewsdaily and see at all the "Who is" articles that are copies of Wikipedia biographies... There's absolutely no verification of this other than from Wikipedia mirrors or Wikipedia thieves. Delete. Samaritan 02:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Do Not Delete - the information has been sourced. Difficulty finding more citations on Google? This is one instance where Wikipedia is ahead of the curve, we should be proud. 70.177.90.39 07:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • The information has been "sourced" from a copy of Wikipedia material. A shortly upcoming ABC network sitcom about conjoined twin teens who solve mysteries (!) would have been discussed somewhere else on the interweb. Samaritan 14:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, unverifiable. Radiant_* 09:05, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for shocking level of unverifiability. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 18:42, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:08, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naxel

  • Business-vanity self-promo etc. -- Longhair | Talk 00:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete -- Longhair | Talk 00:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Business-vanity. The site linked to is not even constructed yet. Definitely not notable. Stancel 01:04, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. But what a compliment... they wrote their Wikipedia vanity before they wrote their own website! These guys have their priorities right... (;-> Andrewa 02:06, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable... I want my own company vanity page! --Chiacomo 02:59, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - ad Fawcett5 16:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Agree with all above --Neigel von Teighen 16:09, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete self-promo. Oliver Keenan 20:58, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. Jayjg (talk) 21:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. User:Mindspillage was actually the one who passed the judgment, but did not close the debate, so it is now done. For the record there were 21 to delete and 11 to keep, one delete vote short of a two thirds majority. Sjakkalle 13:50, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lindsay Ashford

This trash is non-notable and disgusting. DELETE! Stancel 00:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I vote KEEP! This man is so brave to put himself in a position of being burned at the stake for his beliefs, and his position that all humans - even pedophiles - have basic human rights. Anyone voting to delete this page is against liberty. - Kaliko Kat (By the way, I have an account, kalikokat, but I do not know how to post replies here.) By the way, I had this account for a half a month before posting this vote here, so it is not a sock puppet vote.
  • Whether the article is notable or not, "disgusting" is not a criteria for removing something from Wikipedia. I'm going to abstain for now. --FCYTravis 01:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Whatever you think of Ashford and his "self-identified pedophilia", you can't get away from the fact that he's a well-known individual. That fact that he disgusts most people actually adds to notability. ---Isaac R 01:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Disgusting-ness is not a deletion criteria. It's not our place as editors to judge this fellow's activities or interests. We have articles on the Holocaust and plenty of other unpleasant subjects. However, it seems to me that the subject and author user:Zanthalon are the same person, which makes this vanity. Delete and if the notability is genuine, let someone else write the article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:56, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain. Delete. "Disgusting" is not a valid criterion for deletion. I only get ~200 unique Google hits for "lindsay ashford", not all relevant, some of which being Wikipedia links, so I'm not convinced of the subject's notability. However, I'm not sure I want to continue researching this subject, so I will abstain for now. Not notable, self-promotion. Change vote. android↔talk 21:55, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Wikispam. But agree that disgust etc is not a valid criterion for deletion; Wikipedia is not censored. So if the article is rewritten to establish notability, I'll change my vote. Andrewa 02:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - Just by judging the current revision and the top 5 search page results for "Lindsay Ashford," the article doesn't really establish notability. Getting many results for a British author [10] than the pedophile. --Chill Pill Bill 03:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per the delete votes; maybe new information could convince me of sufficient notability per the abstain votes, but it's been well edited and is about a Wikipedian so I wouldn't expect much. Samaritan 04:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete the article on current subject but I would vote to keep an article on the British author identified by Chill Pill Bill. Capitalistroadster 05:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 07:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Disgusting or not, he's not notable. --Angr/comhrá 09:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain. The guy may be disgusting, but he's known and therefore relatively notable, though I don't go much on the quality of the article itself - very biased and badly written. Jamyskis 12:43, 12 May 2005 (GMT)
    • But is he known? Not much that I can see. Just 776 web hits for lindsay-ashford, many or most of which seem to be for the British female author of that name Chill Pill Bill mentioned. He was interviewed in a local newspaper in New Jersey, not really for anything he did uniquely but as an example of a pedophile. It identified him as an unemployed business consultant. The other claim to being known is his website, relatively low-Alexa especially given, I imagine, the subject. :l Samaritan 14:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete when I tried a search I mostly got links to the British woman crime writer of the same name, which suggests this person is not notable. A notorious paedophile should be included. PatGallacher 14:15, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Delete — Doesn't appear to be a notable person. — RJH 15:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete - primarily because he's not a notable person. Secondly because I don't feel that W/P should contribute to his attempts to become famous. Oliver Keenan 21:01, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable - but if he was? Is it morally permissible to risk facillitating the networking of such people - and hide behind an accademic NPOV policy? "It's not our place as editors to judge this fellow's activities" - perhaps not, but I'm afraid then I'd have to be a father first and an editor second. --Doc Glasgow 21:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. Jayjg (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unencyclopedic, soap-boxish, not notable, and blatant self promotion via User:Zanthalon. Yeah, as an obvious aside, it's pretty damned sick, too. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Hedley 16:41, 15 May 2005 (UTC) Abstain because theres 700+ google results for "Lindsay Ashford", however as CryptoDerk points out below theres only 37 unique websites for a reasonable search term. I agree with IRC discussion that there is voting here simply on disagreement with the subject. Hedley 17:02, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and perhaps rewrite googling the name seems to establish notoriety. The subject could be quite interesting if made properly NPOV, the article appears to be heading in that general direction (it's not a complete POV soapbox). I am disappointed of the votes by wikipedians here.... Will you be putting Adolf Hitler up for VFD next? --Gmaxwell 16:53, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and rewrite. Abstain It's not our job to be a moral judge for the world. We simply need to establish facts. Inclusion on wikipedia is in no way an endorsement. A general look around seems to establish noteriety, and also linked to by a number of wiki articles. I am uncertain about notability, once we remove the mists of moral anger...--Fangz 16:49, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. "Lindsay Ashford" pedophile -wikipedia -encyclopedia returns 37 unique websites. CryptoDerk 17:00, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep why does people want to delete an article about subjects they are uncomfortably with? The world won't change if you just ignore its revolting parts. -- Wegge 17:02, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep He's disgusting, but there appears to be enough verifiable information about him for an NPOV article. Icky isn't grounds for deletion. Jon the Geek 17:05, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, no reason given for deletion. Grue 17:56, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Our job is to write an encyclopedia, not pass moral judgement. --Carnildo 03:36, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable. Quale 17:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It looks like he's notable enough, though I'd rather he wasn't... -Cookiemobsta 21:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unverifiable notability. El_C 21:47, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete due to likely self-promotion and non-notability. If a significant part of your claim to fame is a website, you should be able to do far better than CryptoDerk's Google count. Isomorphic 22:54, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable--Heathcliff 04:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Lindsay Ashford is very notable--among girllovers. He returns few google hits, but in this case the google test is inaccurate; two pages define virtually half his "encyclopedic" importance. The first is his own site, puellula: a celebration of the splendor of little girls (and its central section The Human Face of Pedophilia). This page was the first of its kind, and remains the most important by far. It made him the first girllover to leverage the power of the internet to spread the moral girllove movement. The second is the online hub of the online English-speaking girllove world, Girl Chat, on which he was a former moderator and frequent contributor (under the psudeonym Amator Puellularum). The online girllove community is, by necessity, small, tight-knit, and heavily defended. There are only half a dozen serious English pro-girllove sites on the internet, and for obvious reasons they have few outside linkers to boost their google ratings. In addition, much of the girllove community's ineractions are invisible to google, consisting of emails, etc. To delete this article would be an act of bigotry or ignorance, and I hope I've removed any chance of the latter. 24.17.5.50 18:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
So being important to a small, tightnit group of pedophiles makes someone notable?--Heathcliff 02:13, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
No. Being (very) notable to a "small, tight[k]nit group" which is itself very notable gives him encyclopedic importance. Compare David Thorstad from NAMBLA. (I'll link Childlove here for general reference.)
I really don't think that's what it means to be notable. I'm not suggesting a person has to be known all over the world, but if he's only signifincant within a small movement like "childlove" then perhaps he warrants a mention on that page, but not his own article.--Heathcliff 02:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: this page has been visited by 1.05 out of a million users on the internet ([11]). I'm really not interested in an article on a guy whose page hits are literally one out of a million. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:14, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
  • Abstain from processing. I was about to process this, but we have to look at consensus, not mere numbers. I count 20 delete votes plus nominator, eight keep votes, and four abstentions. Disgusting is not a criteria for deletion, far from it - however, being disgusting does not make you notable by default. Also, even if his website is notable - which has not been shown - that does not make the creator of the website notable. If the notability of the subject is only due to his pedophilia, and if his website is not similarly notable, then delete is the only option. However, he may be notable within the movement - and since we have articles on the movement, then the movement is sufficiently notable. I do not know, and the vote was not unanimous, though it was obviously tilted towards delete. So I abstain from picking an outcome to this debate. Too close to call between "err towards keep" and "consensus to delete". I suggest the debate be extended. --Golbez 18:06, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
    • If your concern is that editors are voting to delete out of disgust rather than for valid reasons, I think it is misplaced; IMHO, only two delete votes focus more on "disgusting" than "not notable" or "self-promotion" (that is, the original nominator's vote, and perhaps Doc Glasgow's). Also, I submit that, even though 24.17.5.50 suggests that the subject is notable, the subject is not verifiably so through the private emails, etc., that he cites. The Google Test, for what it's worth, points to "not notable," and I don't feel the lone newspaper interview is an indication of significant notability. The self-promotion aspect concerns me greatly, as well. I don't have a problem with an extended debate, but I think the correct course of action is pretty clear in this case. android↔talk 22:20, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
      • I don't see how it can be said there is not a consensus with the vote being 20 to 8 in favor of deletion. Also it is unfair in my opinon, to discount a vote because the voter expressed disgust. Yes it's possible that their opinion was tainted by their disgust, but it's also possible that their disgust did not influence their vote. Some people expressed disgust and voted "keep". Do we assume that their disgust influenced their vote? Can we therefore automatically assume that those who voted "delete" where influenced by their own disgust?--Heathcliff 02:50, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Gmaxwell. —Markaci 2005-05-21 T 16:19 Z
  • Keep, he seems fairly well-known in child-love circles, and the notability test should be used against "Eileen Jacobson goes to River High and has a crush on Jason Fox...", not actual people of moderate note — (Sherurcij forgot to sign.)
    • Uh, what? Why should the standards be lowered for this particular subject? AиDя01DTALK 05:00, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:09, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Wintles

This is not encyclopedic. Only a couple of mentions in Google - on a geneology page and a housing listing. Not listed as an ecovillage by either the Global Ecovillage Network or the Federation of Intentional Communities. Delete. Sunray 01:05, 2005 May 12 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - should be merged - SimonP 13:15, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Estates of Valleycreek, Brampton, Ontario

A housing development, notable only for its lame advertising. ---Isaac R 01:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete. absolutely nothing encyclopedic here. Sunray 03:45, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • User:Zanimum created a bunch of short articles on Southern Ontario subdivisions last year: see Template:VfD-Vista Ridge Estates in Horning Mills Horing Mills Ontario. Merge these into lists of subdivisions and neighbourhoods in the accompanying city articles. Samaritan 04:06, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. --Spinboy 04:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge per Samaritan. Kappa 14:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge into list, then Delete Fawcett5 16:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak delete, not encyclopedic. Note that some of the other similar Brampton pages still exist, all of which read the same. See: Lakelands Village, Brampton, Ontario, The Manors of Wellington Crown, Brampton, Ontario, The Chateaus in the Highland of Castlemore, Brampton, Ontario. Whatever the result is with this article should also happen to those. -- JamesTeterenko 15:47, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete all articles identified by JamesTeterenko above. Quale 18:01, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge. Do not redirect. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:16, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Speedied. Golbez 03:11, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Johnpauldavies

Page is nonsense. Should be expanded or removed.

Dimmuborgir1066

  • Speedy —Wahoofive (talk) 01:58, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. The speedier the better. Sunray 03:48, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Speedy. Never any content beyond the title and at one point the word "john". Samaritan 04:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Redirect. Golbez 03:13, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TMTOWTDI

Neologistic acronym, already been transwikied. Delete. --Dmcdevit 02:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Redirect to Internet slang#T, where this information already exists. I don't think it's a neologism; it's probably been around as long as Perl has. android↔talk 03:10, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • If it's already listed on the slang page a redirect wouldn't hurt. Mgm|(talk) 07:59, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Old acronym, already transwikied, redirect as suggested by Android. Barno 14:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Agree with redirect. Sc147 15:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Internet slange#T as suggested by Android79. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:17, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Speedied. Golbez 03:13, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Googee

Advertisement for non-notable search engine that appears to be squatting on misspelling of Google. Stephen Compall 02:06, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. They're just messing with us. Deltabeignet 02:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Spamvertisement, borderline speedy candidate. android↔talk 02:22, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, website advert. Megan1967 07:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as advertising. — JIP | Talk 07:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • If you strip all the nonsense, you're left with just the external link. Speedy delete. Mgm|(talk) 08:00, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as advertising--AYArktos 08:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Deleee, promoee, advertiseeng of non-notablee websitee. Barno 14:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete, contents are (a) patent nonsense, (b) advertising weblink, both qualify for speedy delete, their combination does too. -- The Anome 15:11, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:14, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DJ HEDHAT

Vanity page from an anonymous user. Deltabeignet 02:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete Is this not a Speedy Delete candidate? Chiacomo 03:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 07:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete nn vanity. Unfortunately, can't speedy. Fawcett5 16:12, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. Jayjg (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:19, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Userfied. Golbez 03:14, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Animal Farm Quiz

not an article

  • Delete - not an article. It's a good idea, but move to wikibooks. Samw 22:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - appears to be a self-admitted copyvio of [12]. -- Jonel 03:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete- belongs in a different wikiproject, certainly. -- BDAbramson thimk 03:45, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Delete - there isn't really a wikiproject it belongs to. ral315 04:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete -- not encyclopedic - Longhair | Talk 06:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • It's a nice idea, but not really a Wikipedia thing. Userfy? Grutness...wha? 06:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userfy. The user who wrote this is totally free to create a proposal in the Wikipedia namespace or xir user space. sɪzlæk [ +t, +c ] 07:18, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • I've taken the liberty of userfying this, as it was clearly not an article. The page itself still has a redirect, which may need to be deleted. Mgm|(talk) 07:32, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • comment - I've seen mention of this page, by the creator of it, at one of the VP pages (proposals, I think) and the idea of userfication came up there, too. Grutness...wha?
  • Userfy. Megan1967 11:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Agree with the userfication. Samaritan 17:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm the creator of this quiz. I understand your objections. I published this quiz-experiment in Wikipedia, as there is no other wiki-project harboring quizzes up to now. My main objective of this publication was to try to start some creative exchange of ideas on adding quizzes to Wikipedia and creating a quiz template. By the way, could somebody explain to me what is meant by "userfication" and "userfy"? Fortinbras 18:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Sure. First, to see what's happened, click the above pagelink now (post-userfying) and then click the redirected link. The info in this article has been moved to a sub-page of your User page. (It would be a little clearer if you had something written on your User page.) This has been done as a polite way of saying, "Interesting idea, but not Wikipedia material." Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just a community, so quizzes aren't really appropriate here, but should a wiki-project about quizzes be created, this would be a good addition. Moving the info to part of your User area allows you to keep it and work on it until you find someplace more appropriate to put it. Hope this helps. Soundguy99 19:12, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm not going to mark it as such because I assume there's a reason nobody else has, but this is a self-admitted copyvio of [13]. Nickptar 14:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:15, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mindscape (band)

not notable

  • Delete, Band is not represented correctly, there is a Mindscape, a mainstream one, but this is not them, the real Mindscape that is sold and recognized worldwide is at www.mindscape.ws
  • Delete - notability not demonstrated Samw 02:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, band vanity. Megan1967 07:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, band does exist in the mainstream www.mindscape.us, article seems quite neutral. Jamyskis 15:41, 12 May 2005 (CET)
    • User has ~40 edits.
  • Delete, WP:VAIN. Radiant_* 15:34, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete bandcruft. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:20, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
  • Delete Got a lot of google hits for a few different bands named Mindscape. None of them appeared to be this particular band, only one major one www.mindscape.ws. The Bob Talbot 23:25, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - should be merged - SimonP 00:06, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] HK MP5-E0D

This referrs to a weapon variant based on a movie prop. It is neither an official product of H&K nor mentioned on hkpro.com (a quite complete reference to HK products). To the best of my knowledge no such actual weapon exists

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 00:07, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Technophile

Article makes some rude, ignorant, and subjective observations about technophiles, with a strong suggestion that they suffer from a form of mental illness. Soapbox, original research, just plain dumb. ---Isaac R 03:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep: Not necessarily biased; your definition may be of someone who explores technology as a hobby, whereas this definition defines it as an obsession that interferes with daily life. Just because you don't agree with this definition doesn't mean it's wrong. Give it a lighter definition if you see fit. CP 0335, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • If it were just a definition, there wouldn't be an issue -- we'd just transwiki it over to Wiktionary:. But it's not a definition, it pretends to document a mental condition that isn't widely recognized. ---Isaac R 03:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. A good definition already exists in Wiktionary, and this is rather odd original research/soapboxing. android↔talk 04:25, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and allow for organic growth. Klonimus 06:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, and expand. Megan1967 07:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Congrats, You have been doing great service by your delete votes, as I find there lies your main contribution to wikipedia. I would love to see you expanding at least few words of this article so as to give inspiration to others to come forward. Thanks in advance.--MissingLinks 06:36, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Highly POV as it is, and I can't imagine a legitimate definition being more than a wiktionary candidate of "one who loves technology." Postdlf 07:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • This is a dicdef plus some speculation. Delete, replace with redirect to Geek. Radiant_* 09:21, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, soapbox, original research. --Angr/comhrá 09:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep but get rid of the anti-tech bias. Jamyskis 15:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • User has ~40 edits
      • Based on a limited sampling, user has made 40+ useful edits, including many rational votes to various articles on VfD. IMO, this isn't our typical low-edit VfD voter, and as such, his/her vote(s) should probably not be discounted. android↔talk 17:06, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete and redirect per Radiant. Anything that isn't dicdef in that article at this time looks like conjecture and essay to me. Willing to change vote if any real research or reference material is added to show that it is a real condition rather than an adjective. --Unfocused 14:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • "Technophilia" is definitely not an officially recognized mental disorder. Individual mental health professionals might consider it as a valid diagnosis, but I've never heard of any doing that. The assertion that it is a disorder certainly shouldn't stand without reference to mental health literature.---Isaac R 15:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
      • I could even see keeping it if it's proposed as an officially recognized disorder in a verifiable way, or by someone prominent in the mental health field. --Unfocused 16:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
        • I completely agree -- all mental conditions that have any kind of professional or official recognition deserve Wikipedia space. But a non-professional's opinion that something is a mental condition does not. ---Isaac R 16:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep but re-write to make it informative. It needs work. Sunray 18:31, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Comment. Compare this article with Emo kid. ---Isaac R 18:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and re-write. Eixo 22:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Rewrite how? It's subjective pseudoscience. Rewriting it isn't going to change that. ---Isaac R 06:38, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. No evidence that this is accepted psychology terminology. Quale 18:07, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki to wiktionary and merge what useful information there is with geek. This is obviously a legitimate word, but it is suitable only as a dictdef. The article describes the stereotypical nerd or geek, so what useful information is in it should be merged there. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:25, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
  • Note: this is already at Wiktionary, and this isn't any better than that definition. --Dmcdevit 23:15, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:16, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sugarphobia

Not notable, unencyclopedic, and original research. A google search for "sugarphobia" returns 11 hits, none of which appear to offer any type of scientific or psychological definition, certainly nothing similar to the content of this article. The article should be deleted. - Jersyko 03:33, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. The term has been used rhetorically by a couple of doctors to make a point. Pseudoscientific. Not an appropriate Wikipedia article, IMO. Sunray 05:37, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Delete. Three words: No original research. sɪzlæk [ +t, +c ] 07:20, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Soapbox, originial reserach. --Angr/comhrá 09:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Note: This term seems to have some kind of link with the Atkins' diet, if someone can find out more maybe this article can be salvaged. If it really is bull then delete. Jamyskis 15:45, May 12, 2005 (CET)
  • Delete neologistic original research Fawcett5 16:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Mis-spelled vomiting. Also, phobias are usually based completely on the latin name (see arachnophobia, triskaidekaphobia, agoraphobia), this would be sucraphobia anyway. -- BDAbramson thimk 20:01, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
    • Actually phobia names like arachnophobia, triskaidekaphobia, agoraphobia, are derived from Greek, not Latin. So even if there were such a thing as a morbid fear of sugar it would be saccharophobia. --Angr/comhrá 05:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
      • D'oh!!! Yes, I stand corrected. It's all Greek to me. -- BD2412 thimkact 05:38, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
  • Delete. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:25, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Redirect. Golbez 03:17, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Covedale

Redirect to itself, nothing links to it. ral315 04:04, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • No further history; Speedy. Samaritan 04:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Has been redirected to Covedale, Ohio.Kappa 07:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Oooh, much better, ty. Samaritan 14:26, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, I changed the redirect last night to a suitable article. Besides, redirects do not belong here. K1Bond007 00:50, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. →Iñgōlemo← talk 23:26, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was speedied. —Xezbeth 05:16, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cristina romagnoli

Simply a redirect to a redlink. ral315 04:10, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. The redlink was deleted as vanity. This could possibly get faster attention at WP:RFD. If there's not a speedy candidate criterion for redirects to deleted articles, there should be. android↔talk 04:20, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Agreed. Samaritan 04:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • See WP:CSD. Redirects can be immediately deleted if they have no useful history and: 1. They refer to non-existent pages. Radiant_* 13:16, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • Somehow I missed that. Thanks. What's the current feeling on adding CSD tags to articles that are clear candidates, but already have the VfD notice on them? android↔talk 13:30, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • You can just list redirects on WP:RfD; if they are speedy candidates (redirects have a separate, different list of criteria for speedy) they will be deleted right away. (This one is going away right now.) Noel (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was speedied. —Xezbeth 05:16, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charles carlini

Redirect to a redlink, no pages link to it. ral315 04:16, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Nothing else in its history: it was moved to Charles Carlini and must have been speedied from there (no inbound links, and a VfD page would offer an inbound). Speedy. Samaritan 04:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, orphan page. Megan1967 07:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

You can just list redirects on WP:RfD; if they are speedy candidates (redirects have a separate, different list of criteria for speedy) they will be deleted right away. (This one is going away right now.) Noel (talk) 15:04, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was speedied. —Xezbeth 05:16, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chris punnakkattu daniel

Redirect to a redlink. Nothing links here. ral315 04:31, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

You can just list redirects on WP:RfD; if they are speedy candidates (redirects have a separate, different list of criteria for speedy) they will be deleted right away. (This one is going away right now.) Noel (talk) 14:58, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was speedied. —Xezbeth 05:16, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Destroy all robots

Redirects to a redlink, no pages link to it. ral315 04:47, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

You can just list redirects on WP:RfD; if they are speedy candidates (redirects have a separate, different list of criteria for speedy) they will be deleted right away. (This one is going away right now.) Noel (talk) 15:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:18, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Keep it on the Barber pole

A "colloquial expression" with zero Google hits. RickK 06:27, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

Zero google hits...hilarious - Rift14

Care to argue with this search? RickK 18:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

All the more reason that Wikipedia needs it. Check the reference. Patrick0101

  • Wikipedia is not here to popularize unknown expressions. RickK 06:50, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is a reference for lore, arcane and other. This was used in a popular movie and I had to do some digging to find out what it meant. I didn’t just make it up. I was hoping to document it here so the next guy can find it. Patrick0101
    • Wikipedia is a reference for lore, arcane and other, no, it is not. This is not a place for neologisms and for attempts at public relations for new ideas, unknown people, undocumented phrases. RickK 18:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable slang. Megan1967 07:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, you want Urban Dictionary --the wub (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as above. Radiant_* 11:36, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, where is the slobbering of love? Is this vandalism? no Is it incorrect? no Does it have references? yes Is this guy a newbie? yes (see don’t bite the newbie). Patrick0101
  • Delete as not notable. -- Jonel 16:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Nobody's trying to bite you, Patrick0101, (or at least not very hard); the issue is that the general consensus is that Wikipedia is not interested in slang that doesn't have much of a history. You said you had to do some "digging" to find out what it meant - where did you dig? What did you find? If you could add some of this info to the article and convince editors that this phrase has been used pretty extensively (somewhere besides one movie), the article might be kept. If you do expand the article, you should mention it here, and it helps if you add "Rewrite" to your comment. Soundguy99 19:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. Jayjg (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Reference Here is a Google hit: [14]

He claims it is from the book "The Parachute and its Pilot".

   “canopy is placed on the Barber-Pole”

referring to bringing a parachute into level flight. --Patrick0101 06:28, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete wikipedia does not exist to expand the awareness of uncommon sayings. Gmaxwell 19:29, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable. Quale 18:09, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. non-notable, and anyway I thought that definitions of what words/phrases mean was supposed to go on wiktionary? --Cynical 13:10, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 00:10, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reverend Smoltz

Marked for speedy but isn't a candidate. Reason for deletion was given as "pure vanity" and I'm inclined to agree. — Gwalla | Talk 06:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete Simple vanity -- can I have a page for my pseudonym, too? Chiacomo 13:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep You have one -- I clicked on your name and there it is: vanity. unsigned vote by 199.111.179.240 (talk · contribs)
    • Comment: No, he has a user page. That's not the same as having an article about himself in the main article namespace. — Gwalla | Talk 01:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userfy, per above unsigned comment. -- BDAbramson thimk 23:55, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
    • Comment: It doesn't seem to be the pseudonym of a Wikipedia user. — Gwalla | Talk 01:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, WP:VAIN. Radiant_* 09:07, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:19, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dhananjay Rokde

  • Speedy Delete Clear case of self promotion. User recently made similar promotional edits to September 16 and 1983. --Ragib 06:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • "Obvious self-promotion" is not a CSD criterion. (Whether or not it should be is debatable, however.) android↔talk 11:19, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity. Not notable. Shanes 06:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 07:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Self-promotion, vanity. android↔talk 11:19, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity. Jamyskis 15:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • D concur vanity. Fawcett5 16:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • UndeleteThis guy may be popular ... See the google search. He is definitly a Open source guru. Anti Copyright guy. The page will be made eventually, once enough data is gathered.
  • It's funny that this message comes from the anon himself 61.8.141.202 (talk · contribs). Diffs [15],[16] show the anon has also partially blanked my vote on this. --Ragib 14:34, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete Mr. Dhananjay Rokde is a consulting Software Engineer for several of India's Government projects. We are his students from the university of Mumbai. We wish to put his page, up on wikipedia. Need time to update the article and put in photos.
  • Comment on the vote above: With due respect, the above vote justifies the deletion even more. Checking the diffs show this to be another duplicate vote by 61.8.141.202 (talk · contribs). Interesting to note that Mr. Rokde/61.8.141.202 (talk · contribs) also blanked the vfd notice from the disputed page. QED. --Ragib 04:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Undeletion Famous Software Genius from India. Supports open source and the P2P Community. Also published articles on Gnutella, FSF and Author to several projects on SourceForge .--User:Dhanu1000
    • Note: This is user's only edit. -- utcursch | talk 06:22, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. utcursch | talk 05:51, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Haven't heard of him -- 152.78.254.131 13:17, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was speedied. —Xezbeth 05:16, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Woodlands Avenue 5

Basically, sheer and utter nonsense. Was deleted a few hours ago, then recreated. ral315 06:42, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 07:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, the last six words really say it all. Mgm|(talk) 08:03, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Should have been speedy deleted. RickK 08:56, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy Fawcett5 16:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 00:10, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Snipehunters.com

Marked for speedy but isn't a candidate. Reason given was "non-notable, vanity", to which I'd add "spam". — Gwalla | Talk 06:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete - Non-notable - no Alexa ranking and 182 hits on Google. --FCYTravis 07:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - Non-notable, vanity... Most of the 182 hits on Google are from one site -- another blog. Chiacomo 13:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm confused as to how you came up with that figure on hits. The site has near 700 unique hits all from google to one article on the site -- not from some other blog. — Dight | Talk 17:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC) actually posted by 199.111.179.240 (talk · contribs)
  • Keep - Effortlessly brilliant and short. All factual. Fast rising on Alexa. Dight 17:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC) misleadingly signed vote by 199.111.179.240 (talk · contribs); user also deleted User:Chiacomo's message pointing out this fact
  • User above seems to have created an article titled "User:Dight" rather than created an account. Visit the page to see what I mean. --Chiacomo 21:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Delete it if you want, I didn't realize it was such a big deal when I posted the page. My friends just put a lot of time into their site and I thought it would be cool to have a page for them. I figured any encyclopedia would welcome more factual information. If it takes up too much memory or something, I guess it's not that great. Anyways, you guys obviously spend a lot of time following this stuff, I didn't even expect anyone to see it. On the bright side, at least I got them 4 hits. unsigned comment by 24.218.215.248 (talk · contribs)
  • Delete, NN. Radiant_* 09:07, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • NN Delete --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Stephen Compall 06:00, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept, rewritten - SimonP 00:12, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] False statement

Delete- This article is political, not informational. While the concept of a "false statement" in formal logic does deserve to be addressed in an encyclopedia, this article does nothing to enhance our understanding of logical falseness. Come to think of it, "false statement" is also a rather self-explanatory phrase. Emiao 07:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep - false statement is a term which ought to be explained in wikipedia. --Sgkay 07:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep concur with Sgkay Klonimus 06:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, the meaning of "false statement" is obvious even without an article, and the contents of this article are a political rant. — JIP | Talk 08:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, redirect to false, or some subsection of symbolic logic. Radiant_* 09:19, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. No useful content. We already have a redirect from false to logic. Redirect from this article name is pointless. Andrewa 09:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete and rewrite. Potentially interesting subject. Jamyskis 12:48, 12 May 2005 (GMT)
  • Delete; the better redirect would be to Lie. JamesMLane 13:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete and rewrite per Jamyskis. False statement has connotations that differ from lie. Kweee 14:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as rewritten. DJ Clayworth 20:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to lie. A false statement is a kind of lie. -- BDAbramson thimk 21:02, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
    • Not if it's made in good faith. Kappa 23:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
      • D'oh!!! That is very true (e.g. not a false statement). Logic compels me to change to keep. -- BD2412 thimkact 22:50, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
  • Re User — JIP | Talk : the page appears to have been rewritten as at this daydatetime I can't find the "political rant" -- Abstain --62.25.106.209 07:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as rewritten. Kappa 07:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as rewritten. --Unfocused 10:32, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete No matter how good the article, the subject is inherently unencyclopedic. The meaning of 'False statement' and the implications there-in are clear to any english speaker. Gmaxwell 19:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Hmmm Plato apparently rejected the possibility of meaningful false statement, but it took him a while [17], maybe because he wasn't an English speaker (LOL). Kappa 19:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Oh hush, Plato made no such claim about falsehood within the realm of measurable reality. If the article were discussing falsehood in the context you brought up I would have voted that it be redirected to solipsism where that concept is disussed in depth. However the article isn't about that, it's a (somewhat expanded) dictionary definition. --Gmaxwell 21:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
        • So are we discussing the article or the subject? Kappa 21:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
          • No article should exist with this title, especially not this article. An article related to the example you cited would only share the name of the article we are talking about VFDing if it were named inappropriately... which is why this article isn't about that subject, and which is why your example isn't a reason to keep the article. Plato was discussing the solipist notion that 'only my mind exists', it's an interesting concept but it's only an interesting concept in the context of discussing solipist reasoning, since it's so throughly disconnected with the rest of the world.--Gmaxwell 05:14, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep valid topic, VfD~=cleanup. Grue 17:57, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete--Heathcliff 04:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:20, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ghinwa

The article seems to be unverifiable (using Ghinwa "Jad Khairallah" or Ghinwa princess on Google, for instance). It's also just pure praise of the beauty of the supposed princess. The author originally blanked the article after creation. –Jonnabuz (talk) 07:12, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, looks like someone praising their girlfriend wife. Megan1967 11:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • D concur with Megan1967 -- Fawcett5 16:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Adulation page.--Unfocused 19:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:21, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brainsbreaker

Non-notable shareware. RickK 07:56, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Weak delete. Sounds interesting, but I'm not sure about the notability. — JIP | Talk 07:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong delete - it's a friggin' jigsaw puzzle, which is one of the easiest and most often made kinds of shareware. And as such, extremely not notable. Replace with redirect to Brainbreaker as plausible mizpelling. Radiant_* 11:39, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, no indication of encyclopedic notability, shareware of a common type as Radiant noted. Weakly oppose the suggested redirect, though. Barno 14:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:22, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Atlee Hodgson

Possible vanity page, not NPOV. Google produces one hit, to same content at http://www.explore-dictionary.com/dictionary/R/Robert_Atlee_Hodgson.html. Dave.Dunford 07:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

    • The link is actually a mirror of the Wikipedia article, i.e. Google search finds nothing about this guy. Delete. SteveW | Talk 12:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Doesn't really appear to have achieved anything that exceptional, influential or significant. Showing promise but not achieving doesn't warrant an encyclopedia article. Average Earthman 09:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, possible vanity. Megan1967 11:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • D apparent vanity by a nn Fawcett5 16:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity and non-notable --Neigel von Teighen 16:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:23, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beautybash

Amusing forum drama but nonetheless this is not the place to air out grievances. Site has a ~1,000,000 Alexa ranking if you need more support. Lotsofissues 08:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete -- Non notable forum flamewar rubbish. - Longhair | Talk 13:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • D -- nn whatever. Fawcett5 16:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Forum-related, not notable, pathetic Alexa score. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:50, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Sounds like some kind of cat-fight that's spilled over to Wikipedia. --Jamyskis 22:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: Non Notable. -Deathawk 07:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - move to Wikisource - SimonP 00:14, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 761st PUC

Source text of the presidential unit citation. Move to Wikisource. RickK 08:27, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Source text; Move to wikisource or delete. Thue | talk 09:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, since I created it, I don't want it to go away. I wanted it to support my full article U.S. 761st TANK BATTALION (which I mistakenly made in ALL CAPS). So, if the only choices are move and delete, I VOTE: MOVE. WikiDon 10:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I've moved your tank battallion to a non-ALL CAPS version. Oh, and I vote Transwiki here. Radiant_* 11:37, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Source texts should be moved to Wikisource. Average Earthman 12:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki as above then delete, source text, no encyclopedic content, title is not a likely search term to be worth a redirect. Barno 14:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, how many votes does it take to get to the center of a TransWiki? I say; "let's do it!" I haven't done it before so I defer to the masters.
I just wanted the article for:

  • Although the CMH site has always been very reliable; you never know when something might happen.
  • I wanted it hosted at Wiki, so readers wouldn't have to leave WikiLand.
  • I wanted to add the WikiLinki's for people who needed further tutelage.

WikiDon 19:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

    • Generally, none (per WP:BOLD), but once started, VfD discussions are kept for five days. Radiant_* 09:08, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:23, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fauxmale

Neologism ripped from Something Awful. Less than a handful of Google hits. -- Grev -- Talk 08:27, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Redirect to SA, just like FYAD. Radiant_* 11:39, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, no redirect, until greater usage shown. Samaritan 14:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as above. Martg76 16:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as balderdash. "The major difference between males and females online is that the males usually possess significantly larger boobs." --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:24, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Peev

Apparent nonsense (wouldn't a minus sign do the job?). Delete. — JIP | Talk 08:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

    • Depends what a Peev does to a postive integer. Kappa 10:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - I never heard of a 'peev'. Thue | talk 09:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - nonsense. Jitse Niesen 23:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - gibbersih. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Dear Colleauges, I am repulsed by your juvenile sense of mathametics. A PEEV is one of our century's greatest mathametical discoveries. Shame on you for dishonoring it. -Professor Wachner-Solomon University of Stockholm

The above comment was made by User:129.133.4.36 at 17:50, 15 May 2005. Said user is also the author of the article to be deleted. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 00:52, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree, politely, with Wachner-Solomon. Perhaps it is only common in European usage? - Professor Shestakofsky, University of Salzberg

No, it is not. I did not encounter it even at the maths department of the University of Salzburg (note the spelling), nor did I have the pleasure of meeting a prof. Shestakofsky. -- Jitse Niesen (a European), 10:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nonsense--Heathcliff 04:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was redirect to Unalienable rights. Sjakkalle 11:48, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unalienable

Article is about unalienable rights or inalienable rights about which there are two seperate articles. --TimPope 09:09, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Redirect to Unalienable rights. Darksun 10:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete the title is a lone adjective? This is like creating an article called Civil about Civil Rights... Is there such a thing as an ambiguation page? 66.94.94.154 13:12, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect per Darksun. It's the sort of thing one might try to wikilink in an article (and alone, especially if you were also trying to link rights; unalienable rights...) Samaritan 14:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect sounds fair. That's the common usage of said word. 'Civil' has a bunch of other ones. Radiant_* 15:39, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Unalienable rights. El_C 23:08, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:25, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hotel La Corona

Wikispam about a none notable hotel. Darksun 10:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Unanimous keep. Golbez 03:26, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Breadbox

Not notable. Physchim62 10:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. Boring as hell, but it's well-written and neutral (is it possible to have an opinion on breadboxes?!) Jamyskis 13:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Breadboxes suck. It's much better to keep it in a plastic bag in the refrigerator. Besides, they take up way too much room on the counter — couldn't somebody invent an under-cabinet version like they did with microwaves? And the ones they sell at Sears nowadays aren't nearly as good as they used to be. ;-) —Wahoofive (talk) 16:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep--there's precedent for appliances (see Bread clip, e.g.). OTOH, this article could probably use some work--does this really show up all that often in 20 questions? Meelar (talk) 13:14, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Extremely trivial, but since the phenomenon exists and I can't even think of a plausible place to merge it, I'm going to vote keep. Radiant_* 13:14, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Boring yes, but I liked it. - Longhair | Talk 13:26, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Notable kitchen thingy. My bread may be made with preservatives, but any time it's not in the freezer, it's in the breadbox. KEEP. Mgm|(talk) 13:31, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, perhaps the article could be expanded a bit. --  B.d.mills  (Talk) 13:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand upon the great history of breadboxes in human civilization (should take about eight seconds). Kweee 14:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, good stub, lots of room for expansion, see Talk:Breadbox. Andrewa 14:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Breadboxes are now collectors' items, with a very active market. This article has a lot of room for growth.
    • Comment: Please sign your votes, User:Unfocused. No change of vote. Andrewa 16:26, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Oops. I missed that one. Yes, that's my vote. --Unfocused 17:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep No different than Toaster Klonimus 15:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • K seems to have some encyclopaedic detail. Fawcett5 16:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I'll even try to contribute a photo of my beloved breadbox. DeweyQ 20:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep articles on everyday items. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:31, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • shakes head* Lotsofissues 21:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Jayjg (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, why not? --the wub (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP - my god, people! Have you no respect for that question of the ages - "Is it bigger than a breadbox?"? Keep keep keep --Mothperson 23:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Common household device. Capitalistroadster 00:18, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. I have a breadbox in my kitchen as we speak. (They're very useful for those of us with bread makers so we don't have to use preservatives or keep buying plastic bags.) Maybe I'll post a picture of it, together with something to indicate its size, so that people can better estimate what is and is not bigger than a breadbox. --Angr/comhrá 05:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I concur with Lotsofissues. Mama always said, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all." She also said, "It's just as easy as sliced bread" and "Is it bigger than a breadbox?" but that is another story...
  • Keep. There's nothing bigger (although, contrariwise, it's hardly the greatest thing since sliced bread). -- BD2412 thimkact 22:55, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
  • Keep. NoAccount
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 00:16, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bluesnarf

Dictonary definition, already transwikied. Physchim62 10:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 00:18, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bratva

Weak Delete, but this doesn't seem encyclopedic. Has already been transwikied to en:wiktionary. Physchim62 10:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, foreign dictionary definition already in wiktionary. Megan1967 11:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, possibly rename to Organized crime in Ukraine. Kappa 13:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename per Kappa. Radiant_* 15:39, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename and keep only if rewritten and expanded in the five day period, otherwise delete. RickK 23:31, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Turn to redirect This is jargon word for organized criminals in Russia(and firstly in Russia) and apparently in Ukraine, should redirect to apropriate page, or you could keep it as substub or move to wiktionary, thats just a word. It's just some articles link to it, like the Viktor Yanukovych article and Organised crime.Gnomz007 05:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand, notable topic, VfD~=cleanup. Grue 18:02, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment It should be mentioned the Bratva is the name for Eastern European and Slavic organized crime which extends far beyond the former Soviet Union (in regards to Russia and the Ukrane). While it could use expanding the Bratva is as much part of the Russian Mafia as the Cammora is of the Mafia and in my opinion certainly a notible topic. 209.213.71.78 12:47, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Redirect. Golbez 03:27, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Customer Care

Not encyclopedic - personal rant. Either delete or redirect to Customer service. --Areia 11:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Redirect to Customer service. Megan1967 11:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect -- to Customer service. - Longhair | Talk 13:30, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect as suggested. Mgm|(talk) 13:32, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect Lame-o rant from someone who apparently can't stand their customer-service job (to which one might ask why they applied for it/haven't quit). Certainly not an encyclopedia article by any stretch of the imagination. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:51, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect per everyone. Samaritan 14:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It I think its cute, If you have ever worked in customer service you would know. MistaEx 15:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It I think its educational, it looks a lot like a rant because it is written in first person but as someone who works in a call center it is 100% true. The average person thinks that if they assert that they are in charge, we will do whatever they ask, if people read this and actually thought about it, this is what customer care really is. This is the psychology of it, its instructional. I think its great. Plus, lets face it, theres how-to instructions for microbiology, isnt this more useful?Mislah 15:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep it! Speaking as someone who works in the customer care industry, I can tell you for certain it is quite factual. Plus it is educational for the average consumer calling into a customer care department, screaming at some poor rep who is only there to make ends meat and had nothing to do with what happenned to the customer.
  • Keep but mark as not-NPOV. This is a classic example of why Customer Care reps get a bad rep -- they assume that they are always correct and that, because they have the power to screw up someone's life, they're entitled to use that power vindictively (in other words, whenever the customer won't bend over and take it up the bodily orifice). Keep and corral the author off into a Wiki-Zoo where s/he can have buns and other inappropriate food-articles thrown at him/er --Simon Cursitor 07:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC) <?rant>
  • Redirect as above. It's the same thing. And add an additional redir at correctly capitalized Customer care. Radiant_* 09:11, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect it's not a bad rant. Maybe someone might want to keep it. But it's nothing to do with Wikipedia. Naturenet 21:30, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Customer service. NSR 09:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Customer service. El_C 23:09, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Completely unencyclopedic. It's just a rant.--Heathcliff 04:38, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - moved to user space - SimonP 00:19, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Editorial policy

It's not that I object to editorial policies per se, but this particular page has no content and no meaning (please read it before voting, it's very short) so it doesn't belong in the Wikipedia namespace, certainly not with a title implying that it would be policy. Radiant_* 12:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • We don't need an editorial board to remind us about precedents. Everyone is equal so this board wouldn't be able to make binding decision anyway. I vote userfy. so the user who started it can work out the bumps and perfect their proposal before dropping it into the big bad world. Mgm|(talk) 13:36, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete It's been around since Oct 04 and still hasn't really become policy or otherwise gone anywhere, so probably safe to delete. If anyone wants to retry this policy proposal it's probably better to start from scratch than resuscitate this tiny article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:43, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak delete in agreement with Andrew. No substantial content here. Barno 14:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userfy to User:Stevertigo; history. Samaritan 17:36, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userfy. Megan1967 05:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Might as well Userfy until User:Stevertigo can do something more usefull with it. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userfy. Good idea Samaritan. -- BD2412 thimkact 22:57, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - should be merged - SimonP 15:25, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Armoured Hover Train

Minor Star Wars trivia. Delete, and let the author recreate it on the star wars wikicity if he wants to. Thue | talk 12:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 00:23, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cymbaline, Rob Edwards, Leigh Thompson, Bronwyn Edmunds and Training for Rob's murder spree

Conspiracy theories. All made up. -- Longhair | Talk 12:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Ho hum. Why would someone make it up? Why delete facts that prove a mystery that has plagued victims of the Port Arthur massacre for years?

There is a long and extensive history, as provided by Australian police sources that prove this article to be true. It is not a conspiracy theory, nor is it incorrect.

Unsigned comment above from 203.26.206.130, article author. -- Longhair | Talk 13:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nonsense, I was tempted to speedy it. Thue | talk 13:09, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Article as written qualifies as nonsense, speculation, original research and/or non-verifiability. Delete. Radiant_* 13:11, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

Sighs. That's my life story right there. If you delete it, then you're saying that my entire life is a lie. But perhaps you're right, that until Robert goes to jail for his crimes, I shouldn't state it as fact. This is the guy that destroyed my life, you know.

Unsigned comment above from 203.26.206.130, article author. -- Longhair | Talk 13:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay, we don't mean to be harsh... please check with WP:BIO and WP:VAIN and see if your life story belongs in an encyclopedia (because my life story for sure does not). If it is, then arguably someone else should write it, per WP:NPOV. Remember, if you're famous, other people will write about you. Finally, decide whether you really need four different articles - merging may be appropriate. Radiant_* 13:30, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect from Cymbaline to Cymbeline (plausible misspelling); delete the rest. JamesMLane 13:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect per JamesMLane and delete the rest as unverifiable. Mgm|(talk) 13:40, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • delete all (except the redirect as per JamesMLane), they either qualify as original research, unsupported speculation and have no sources whatsoever. clarkk 13:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect per JamesMLane and Delete the rest, conspiracy theory, and a half-baked one at that. At the very least, violates WP:V. --bainer 13:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. a new article in this series turned up, i just added it: Training for Rob's murder spree. clarkk 15:11, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Please watch 203.26.206.130 (talk · contribs) closely, he's an inventive and sometimes quite subtle troll. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, and consider warning the troll, and blocking if they do not desist. -- The Anome 15:46, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete all, then create redirect as per JamesMLane. Unverifiable, original research. Jayjg (talk) 16:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, unverifable even as a conspiracy theory--nixie 23:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, your life is not encyclopedia-worthy. RickK 23:33, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as patent nonsense. Capitalistroadster 00:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Ambi 03:24, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete all, unverifiable. Megan1967 05:09, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete-Cyberjunkie 09:09, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Please see Joe Vialls for evidence that supports all of my claims. They are consistent with highly popular conspiracy theories and with available evidence. I shall endeavour to present these in a better way next time. My apologies. I am new to this.

Oh and feel free to delete these pages. Please do. I'd rather get some help with presenting them properly than be branded as a "troll" or some nonsense just because I'm trying to help with factual evidence.

By the way, your Martin Bryant and Port Arthur massacre articles are highly inconsistent with available evidence, especially with regards to such things as him pleading guilty - which he never did. Your own sources as quoted on the pages prove that you've got it wrong there. You also should include that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and before the trial was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, both diagnoses which were later changed. Asperger's Syndrome as you know, is one which would see someone be fit to stand trial, and hence it is very relevant that he was suddenly diagnosed with it, when in fact he never had it in the first place.

If this is supposed to be accurate, then you have to at least be prepared to accept such changes as those ones, even if you do dismiss what you call "conspiracy theories".

  • All the non-conspiracy-theory sites that I can find, including news sites and Australian Hansard, have him at first protesting his innocence, then pleading quilty. I've got to say that the conspiracy theory sites have a strong feeling of tinfoil hat about them. -- The Anome 14:43, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:29, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Krok

Apparent hoax; English-language search on Yahoo! reveals zero hits for Conolocus, and only three hits (none of them relevant) for Hittite+Krok. Delete unless someone can confirm content from a printed source. JamesMLane 13:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

see: "The major historical texts of early Hittite history" by Trevor Bryce

I'm going to have to agree with James on the delete, although I won't deny that there seems to be information that bears in light for the OP. For example, there's [19], which lists an asteroid named after Krok, (Asteroid 3102Krok) a scheme usually used for minor deities. However, I just spent some time on Google and came up with nothing aside from that. Additionally, the Encyclopedia Mythica turns up nothing (no surprise there, since that's not the best kept database, IMHO). This is going to need a lot more evidence to be a keeper. --Mitsukai 13:36, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete this has the whiff of a hoax, for reasons several of which will be spotted by some people. I will add one, that the Hittite archaeological remains are in modern Turkey, a slab found in Hebron seems fishy, a vague echo of the Hebrew Bible mentioning the patriarchs buying some land in Hebron from the Hittites, but I'm not aware of any archaeological evidence that the Hittites were in Hebron. PatGallacher 14:33, 2005 May 12 (UTC)

Delete. A topic as specific as this needs citation, this article has none. EvilPhoenix

  • Delete, unverifiable. Megan1967 05:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete. I did a quick scan of the indices to 3 books I own about the Hittites (Harry A. Hoffner, Hittite Myths; Gary Beckman, Hittite Diplomatic Texts; & Trevor Bryce, The Kingdom of the Hittites), & not one refers to such a deity. (At this point, it's not worth it to me to go downstairs & also check my copy of ANET.) BTW, I took a class on the Hittite language in college, & based on my memory of that class alone, I'd attest that "Krok" is not close to being a Hittite name, divine or otherwise. -- llywrch 00:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, hoax. Llywrch is right, it's not even a possible Hittite word. --Angr/comhrá 05:47, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I've been here more than a year and I can still be amazed at this place. I listed this article for deletion because it seemed a little off and I couldn't verify it. That simple listing prompted this incredible amount of research and comment by people who've studied the Hittites, who have relevant texts ready to hand, and find suspicious points based on the nature of the word, the stated location of the find, etc. I had no clue as to any of this. It's too bad that some jerk's casual hoax article wasted so much of the time of sincere editors, but there's a silver lining: We see another example of Wikipower. JamesMLane 08:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 03:31, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chronotropic

Transwiki to Wiktionary, yes? DS 13:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC) (whoops - forgot to sign)

  • Keep, important topic in cardiology, potential for expansion. Kappa 13:35, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • keep --Melaen 15:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Notable biology topic. Megan1967 05:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with Cardiology. Radiant_* 09:12, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 03:32, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Giant Rat

offensive

Speedy Delete. Orange Goblin 13:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete, crush by giant rat. --  B.d.mills  (Talk) 13:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Deleted, but replace with redirect to Rat, or maybe to Ultima where it's a common enemy. Radiant_* 14:07, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  •  ?"of Sumatra" -- Holmes reference; ? common (Low power) foe in RPGs; ? "Rodent of Unusual Size" -- Princess Bride; ? terrier sized rats in Fleet River, London. The deleted text may have been offensive, but sure there is at least a potential disambuiguation here, for people looking the phrase up. --Simon Cursitor 07:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I have completely redone the article, focusing on the Holmes versions. Surprised we do not have an article yet on Sherlockiana. The original text, including the VfD notice, was apparently deleted, as it was decided (rightly IMO) to not be worth the fuss of voting over. If a new notice is needed in this case, someone should supply it. -- Smerdis of Tlön 16:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep the new version. Grue 18:04, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree, keep the new version. Orange Goblin 18:14, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as rewritten. Excellent job by all involved. -- BD2412 thimkact 22:59, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Delete. I agree with Heathcliff. Golbez 03:34, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vienam war

Not useful

  • Speedy deleted, entire content was Vietnam had a war. Created by an anon with a history of vandalism, useless title, speedy delete criterion article #1 I assume (I didn't do it), or possibly as pure vandalism, either would do. Please sign your votes, User:B.d.mills, this one led to a real fiasco. Andrewa 15:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Vietnam war as potential misspeling. Radiant_* 17:29, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: I'd support that. I don't think it's a big deal in this case, but yes, our policy has been to assume that any misspelling that can happen once can happen again. It was still a valid speedy IMO, but recreating it as a redir would be fine, if anyone thinks it's important. Andrewa 03:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Agree withspeedy delete. There are hundreds of ways to mistype Vietnam. Do they all get a redirect page?--Heathcliff 04:36, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 03:34, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tuxpartei

Just a bunch of swiss students. Is going to be deleted on the de:wikipedia Dickbauch 14:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete - See the deletion discussion in the de:WP - HERE AN(Ger) 14:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Sag mal AN, kann es sein, daß sich keine Sau für diesen Löschkandidaten interessiert?!?Dickbauch 18:11, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - no consensus - SimonP 15:26, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary

Hopefully this is a no-brainer not deserving the space and attention needed to present my complex evidence on the, arguably, bad faith I think the article was created in. I present several reasons why this page does not deserve its Wikipedia space:

(1) Accuracy dispute. I could not find a source that specifies the existence of the school (at least under the name "Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary"). The burden of proving the existence of such a school should be on the article's creator, not me, though. Online searches show no results under this name...which merits the suspicion, that even if such a school did exist under this name, it was so non-notable that it isn't cited in any documents by anyone these days.

(2) To begin with, there is no source that specifies Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary as the actual name of a school in Delaware, Ohio at that time! This violates the rationale for pages not to be "too secret" (i.e. "Secret societies are unverifiable and often non-notable". Wikipedia articles must be verifiable. Almost by definition, the world cannot verify things about secret societies). This is not a "secret society" per se, but the existence of the school should be verifiable through paper or online sources.

(3) The article was created by a user user:Stude62 who had created several other articles that violate, or are on the border of vilaoting, the vanity policy of Wikipedia ("vanity" is a shorthand for "This page is about a person, institution, or organization who Wikipedia's guidelines suggest does not merit an article"). On his user page he states of recent times find myself up to my eyeballs in Methodist Episcopal Church history (my gr gr gr great grandfather was an M.E. circuit preacher in central Ohio) and defending it from those who should know better, but are too wrapped up in their own feelings and perceptions to know any different.

Several other article created by the same user are Monnett Weekend, Orra E. Monnette Mary Monnett Bain Monnett Hall and Monnett Bain Davis. All of them debatably non-notable and written with the sole purpose to "defending it from those who should know better". The Monnett Weekend page was recently listed on VfD and removed. The article listed on here honor the exact same topic and should be removed as well.

(4) There is a separate page about the real name of the institution at the time: Ohio Wesleyan Female College which no longer exists but is nevertheless legit. I suggest that some of the information be moved to that page as it was the official name of the female college.

(5) This is a "POV fork". Debatably the most notable part of the article is about Mary Monnett Bain. That article already presents the arguably "notable" part on there.

(6) Several Wesleyan alumni have agreed that such a name Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary is not notable even among the Ohio Wesleyan University "family".

(7) Finally, one can argue that Mary Monnett Bain is arguably worthy an article herself vilating notability ("non-notable" or "nn" are shorthands for "Something that (the voter thinks) is unimportant due to its obscurity or lack of differentiation from others of its type"). There was a separate VfD on that article but it is not the objec of this VfD.

If the article is related to something more common or well-known like the Ohio Wesleyan Female College, consider merging it with that.

My job is done here.

Patnaik 16:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep to confirm details. Monnett Hall, Monnett Weekend and Mary Monnett Bain all check out in external sources. The entry on Leroy A. Belt on the official history page of Ohio Northern University, here, says he "served as financial agent for Monnett Hall, an independent women's academy, which merged with Ohio Wesleyan in 1877." So you're alleging this article that centrally claims the quickly provable fact that Monnett Hall, an independent women's institution, merged into Ohio Wesleyan University is "bad faith?" The only things that would need further research are whether Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary was a name or the formal name of Monett Hall. There's no comprehensive information about historical schools on the web, but this obviously could be referenced with printed sources in libraries and maybe even an historical plaque onsite. Patnaik, what is your "complex evidence" of bad faith? Btw, the article is by the apparently credible User:Stude62. Samaritan 15:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Fascinating article, fascinating topic. That's assuming the current article is accurate, but that hasn't been questioned above. So I'm very puzzled as to why it's listed for deletion. Please, someone explain. Andrewa 15:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • There is bad blood between Patnaik and Stude62, who has left Wikipedia. Patnaik's contribs, Stude62's contribs, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Stude62. *sigh* Samaritan 15:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment: Thank you. Having skimmed the RfC, and noting that there is nothing on the article's talk page about any accuracy dispute (perhaps I should have said that before), I reluctantly conclude that this VfD nomination was made in bad faith. I nearly said that before too, the term no-brainer is a portent. No change of vote. Andrewa 16:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
        • Comment: Dear me, what a mess has now been made of the discussion above. Is it coincidence that the argument Patnaik has obscured by his carelessness is against him? It's not good form either way. No change of vote. Andrewa 18:06, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
          • I've tried to put comments back in their original order. Jni05, please stop changing the orders of other people's comments; thank you. Samaritan 19:35, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
            • Thanks for your efforts, and they have addressed some of my concerns. But there's still the problem that Patnaik has simply changed his introduction, rather than answering the comments that were based on it. Andrewa 02:47, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • For the record, can anyone point to a source that this is the actual name? How is it possible not to find a single source? The real name is Ohio Wesleyan Female College. There is a separate page about that one that is legit. Patnaik 16:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
              • Ironically, do you think your "this VfD nomination was made in bad faith" violates your informal MWOT principle of "minimise waste of time and not get distracted into debates that have no bearing on the goal"? Patnaik 21:34, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Girls for God. Klonimus 15:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Isn't it entirely possible and believable Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary either co-existed with Ohio Wesleyan Female College or was an original or alternate name name of OWFC? (For anyone else wondering about the Wesleyan/Methodist distinction, Ohio Wesleyan University, per its article Patnaik was the last to edit, was founded by Methodists in 1841; the Wesleyan Methodist church formally split from the Methodists in 1843.) Comparing a rural 19th century women's college to a "secret society" because Google provides no hits overstates and assumes bad faith. It's certainly verifiable one way or the other with hard copy sources, and we should assume good faith on the part of the creator. The article doesn't mention any man, so it doesn't seem "glorify" Stude62's great+grandfather as the nominator charges. In Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Monnett Weekend, it was not deleted for the reasons Patnaik alleges. And an article about a college is not a "POV fork" of an article about a patron of the college. Samaritan 17:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable even for OWU alums.Jni05 17:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: See also archived discussions at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Mary Monnett Bain and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Monnett Weekend. See this previous version of this page if you want to untangle the sequence of edits above. No change of vote. Andrewa 18:34, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Even if this is worth an article, it should be folded into the Ohio Wesleyan Female College. According to the Google test which says that "Unencyclopedic or spurious topics. Some topics introduced to Wikipedia articles don't belong here. Some of these can be detected by running a Google search on a relevant phrase and counting the number of search results. This technique works reasonably well for weeding out hoaxes, fictions, and personal theories and hypotheses. It can also be used to ascertain whether a topic is of sufficiently broad interest to merit inclusion in the wiki, though this application is highly subject to bias" there are zero search results outside of Wikipedia. Owu07 18:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • The Google test would work well for a seminary or college in Ohio today. It would not work well for a seminary or college in Ohio in the 19th century that changed its name and/or folded into another institution. Samaritan 19:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Ah! One would think that if it were that important it would have been cited at least once somewhere on the web. RobOWU 20:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep This long-winded nomination doesn't cite a single issue that deserves a VfD. All the problems cited can be solved by rearranging material, removing redundant paragraphs, calmly debating factual isssues, and resorting to the merge process. If there are personal issues, try to settle them privately, or request arbitration, instead of expecting the rest of the Wikipedia community to take sides. ---Isaac R 19:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - The history of a notable institution is clearly notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. --FCYTravis 19:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Google test shows that it is not notable at all. As an Ohio Wesleyan student, I've never heard that name before! RobOWU 20:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: For the record and on the "POV fork" argument, when the article was created there were the following articles created: Monnett Weekend, Orra E. Monnette Mary Monnett Bain Monnett Hall and Monnett Bain Davis. See the connection?? 3 of them have already been removed at various points in the VfD process. RobOWU 20:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Keep. There may be some issues with the article that need resolution, citation, and verification, but I don't think it's worth deleting at this point. EvilPhoenix

  • Comment as mentioned above the "Google Test" is unreliable for historical institutions. IsaacR's advice is sound. Not a VfD candidate at this stage. Send to Votes for Editing (Oh wait, that's Wikipedia itself) Dystopos 21:16, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. Jayjg (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Former women's tertiary institution and as such worthy of retention. Capitalistroadster 00:37, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, google test is not a reason for deletion in cases like this. Kappa 00:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I agree with user:RobOWU. An article about Ohio Wesleyan Female College already exists, so this one is redundant. Faria 02:46, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. Content can be moved to Ohio Wesleyan Female College. LouisRivera 03:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • It can't if you delete it! Do you mean to vote merge and redirect? RSpeer 06:22, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 05:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete unless it can be established that there was an institution with this name. "Isn't it entirely possible and believable" isn't good enough; it has to be proved. --Angr/comhrá 05:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable. Mayathebee 06:42, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I wish to vote against deletion, on the grounds that the article appears a reasonable starting-point for an accoutn of a "learning institution", and on the grounds that the original VfD argument does not cohere with what I find on the page as at today --Simon Cursitor 07:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, NN. I'm afraid VfD has changed since originally conceived. WikiVolution and all. Radiant_* 09:13, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: I'm genuinely curious to know just what you mean by that last statement. --Unfocused 03:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Sounds like it just needs editing. Also note that votes to "delete and move the content" are inconsistent with the GFDL. RSpeer 18:32, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Personal motives of the nominator aside, Delete as unverifiable and not notable, unless more resources can be provided. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC) Hmm, on further study of VfD arguments, I Abstain.
  • Delete. I agree with RJrol 05:21, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: The article starts with a factually incorrect comment: "The Ohio Women's Methodist Seminary, Delaware, Ohio, is now part of the Ohio Wesleyan University (Wesleyan)." I couldn't find "is now part" on the Wesleyan page anywhere. Jrol 05:27, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, Non-encyclopedic. Gmaxwell 21:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, Factually incorrect. Ianschmutte 18:24, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unverifiable. Jessicab 02:48, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Had a separate history before merger, so a separate article documenting this history is warranted. --Unfocused 03:44, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep.--Heathcliff 04:29, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

[edit] Thanks, and thank you for your Votes to Keep the Article

I've dropped back in for a moment and would like to thank all for voted to keep the article, as well as those who voted against it as an impartial act. I have kept out of this debate because I had become very disilluioned about Wikipedia and group of user. This vote has redeemed that faith.

I would like to thank those who have called others on their bad faith action against me and this article.

This matter could have been settled from the very beginning had certain Wikipedian's allowed primary, factual information held in the OWU archives to stand. They did not. I also suspect that a number of users whose only activity exists to manipulate the information regarding OWU have chimed in on this VFD; their trails can be viewed through their account history.

I also call to question any Wikipedian claiming to have attended OWU who has not heard of Mary Monnett Bain, Monnett Hall or the Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary. To think that they could have spent meaningful time on the OWU campus and have no historical background on the University seems very strange. To any uninvolved party who is a legitimate Wikipedian, not a shill or sock puppet, - this information may be verified through the Archives of Ohio United Methodism which are held at OWU.

Wikipedia should be about correct information, not something that is simply a validation of Google, or other web sites. Wikipedians who think that Google, Yahoo and other high level web sites are the only acceptible sources for information will undermine not only the sharing and growth of information, but will also doom Wikipedia to nothing greater than a parrot for web based knowledge. Stude62 16:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 03:36, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Media Lab Helsinki

Non-notable. Delete or demonstrate notability. Neutralitytalk 13:51, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Merge with University of Art and Design Helsinki. Kweee 14:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Expand or merge. Samaritan 14:35, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. One of the five current schools of University of Art and Design Helsinki (founded 1871 and definitely notable assuming the current article is accurate). Merge will only mean we need to split it off again later, its own history and current activities for example should be here, not in the main article. Andrewa 15:26, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable media lab Klonimus 15:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, agree with Klonimus. — JIP | Talk 18:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge per Kweeeeee. 09:13, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
    • anonymous comment by User:Radiant!. — JIP | Talk 09:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Doh, one tilde too far. Radiant_* 17:47, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep The Media Lab is the leading university level unit in Finland involved in digital media design Pe3 17:23, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Teemu
  • Keep.JuntungWu 12:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep (no consensus, very little discussion). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:57, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Master Music

Seems like a vanity page. Even if it had the info to be a useful article, I'm not sure how encyclopedic the topic is. --Alabamaboy 14:11, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Comment: Substub by newbie, listed here mere minutes after its creation. A warning was left on his user page, not his talk page - a common mistake, I do it myself, it's easy to hit the wrong button - but even so, IMO a little more dialogue with the creator would be good before listing their possibly good faith efforts for deletion, especially if you're not sure whether it's encyclopedic or not. No vote as yet. Andrewa 15:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the useful info. As said, I'm new and wasn't sure how everything works. Thanks for putting the useful note on his talk page. --Alabamaboy 15:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 15:28, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cenovis

Commercial and not notable. Physchim62 14:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, and rewrite. It's actually not a specific product, but a brand. It's not a commercial just because it's about a company, and this company (a 150 year old Australian health care company [20]) seems noteworthy. Eixo 23:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Don't know whether the yeast extract is notable but it is not connected with Cenovis who make vitamins and other pharmaceutical products. The yeast extract appears to a Swiss product. The Cenovis company certainly is notable and perhaps the bulk of the article should be about the Australian group with a brief reference to the Swiss reference. Capitalistroadster 00:42, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep rewrite and expand. Cenovis company in Australia is notable. Megan1967 05:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: Don't confuse this with Synovus, an MNC medical corp. The article, as written, only says that this is a yeast product. Is a particular yeast extract encyclopedic? IMO, it isn't, if it hasn't changed the product or the world. Geogre 14:22, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 15:30, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Call originator

Not notable. Were a dictionary definition necessary, this article has been transwikied by KevinBot. Physchim62 15:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, encyclopedic, seems to be notable from what links here. Kappa 18:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. It's an important concept, but I see no potential for this article to expand beyond a dicdef. Any important links can be changed to point to Wiktionary. ---Isaac R 19:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Any credentials in telecom business, please? Mikkalai 00:40, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Wiktionary isn't going on the DVD version of WP. Kappa 23:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Not a good reason to violate the "not a dictionary" principle. I hope you're not suggesting that we should never use Wiktionary: links! ---Isaac R 17:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Move. Wiktionary. EvilPhoenix
    • It is already there. Mikkalai 00:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • keep. a potential for expansion exists. Mikkalai 00:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't see that. If you know how to expand the article, you should do so. Even a single non-dicdef setence might be enough to convince me. ---Isaac R 16:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
      • What's wrong with "Modems and fax machines use different tones when originating or answering a connection, which may be a source of problem for the user".?
        • Not enough, and isn't something you'd look under this subject to find. ---Isaac R 23:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
          • that's what encyclopedia for: you always find more than you expect! Mikkalai 00:40, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
            • I think the primary purpose of encylopedias has something to do with finding what you're looking for. With that in mind, it makes sense to talk about modems and faxes under modems and faxes, not under an obscure bit of telecom jargon. --- Isaac R 19:09, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • If expanded, keep; otherwise see nothing but dicdef --Simon Cursitor 07:18, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with call tracing. Radiant_* 09:14, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • After some thinking, what is really needed is a good call (telecommunications) article. the current "call" one is a mess even for a disambig. Mikkalai 00:40, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, VfD~=cleanup. (gotta make a template for that) Grue 18:07, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree that VfD is not about cleanup (and about the need for a template). But how does that apply here? We've got four or five votes for saving the article by cleaning it up -- but no suggestions for a cleanup strategy. The real problem is not that the article's a mess. It's that the article is a dicdef with no stub potential. We also need a template that says, "if you're so sure this article can be grown or cleaned up, go ahead and do it." ---Isaac R 19:09, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 03:38, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VADS (Vulcan Anti-Aircraft Automatic Cannon Defence System)

non notable --Melaen 15:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, and continue to clean up/expand. Modern anti-aircraft weapons are sophisticated and expensive to develop, hence practically all are notable. Kappa 15:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep 3000 rounds per minute is notable. Klonimus 15:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Any military weapon that has made it into production is inherently notable 66.94.94.154 17:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable. Physchim62 17:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Deleting this would not be logical. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:20, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I agree with 66.94.94.154. Plus it was widely deployed. Plus they spent a lot of money on it. It's even been mentioned by Tom Clancey... I'd like to see a more tractable title, though. ---Isaac R 19:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I renamed this to Vulcan Air Defense System. DJ Clayworth 20:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. James F. (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I thought this was going to be a Star Trek thing. Sadness. ;-) 23skidoo 23:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Real defence equipment. Capitalistroadster 00:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable weaponry. Sjakkalle 07:34, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep.JuntungWu 12:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 18:15, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] John "Kahn" Koontz

Two Google hits: does not seem notable enough to me: vanity page? -- The Anome 15:07, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 18:15, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] LAVANWAY

Not notable, so should not be in an encyclopedia. Thue | talk 15:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Why not? Kappa 18:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity. kweee 18:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity, doesn't even attempt to show notability. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:36, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 05:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Do Not Delete. It isn't even done by him. There are two of us that are doing this to record this promising young man's future so that someday people will be able to get a detailed look at his early life. currently, history does not have enough detail on the early lives of its most important people. We hope that this will not be the case with Mr. Lavanway.
  • Delete. If it were vanity we could at least userfy. Bio-stub of non-notable child surnamed LaVanway, mistitled and miscapitalized article. No reason to believe that he will someday be one of history's "most important people". If he does become one, we can write a meaningful and accurate article from scratch more readily than leaving this one online for a decade. Barno 17:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 18:14, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Two Car Garage

Vanity; non-notable local cover band. Delete. Stephen Compall 15:34, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 05:02, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, agreed. El_C 23:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: Two car garage band vanity. Twice as big as your regular garage band, and just as inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Geogre 14:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - should be merged somewhere - SimonP 15:32, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Canonical sequence

This very short article is almost meaningless even for a scientist. It has already been Bot transwikied to Wiktionary; at the very least it needs a complete rewrite, but I will go for a (weak) delete. Physchim62 15:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 15:32, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Eugeroic

Dictionary definition, already transwikied. Physchim62 15:36, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, seems like a notable class of drugs. Modafinil gets 166,000 google hits [21]. Kappa 17:59, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Obviously written by somebody who hasn't read "Not a dictionary", but still a good stub. All major classes of pharms deserve articles. And no, Kappa, I'm not stalking you. ---Isaac R 18:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Notable class of drug. Capitalistroadster 00:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Could do with a much more thorough list. Megan1967 04:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep.JuntungWu 12:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Speedied. Golbez 17:18, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Militay of Novaya Russia

A duplicate of the United States Department of Defense under a different title. Bizarre. Can probably be speedied, actually. SteveW | Talk 15:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - should be merged - SimonP 16:51, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Debunk

I think this can never be more than a dictionary defenition, and wiktionary already has an entry for it. Elpaw 16:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Do Not Delete It's still up to you guys, but I added a bit about the usage of the term and the etymology. I can also add a link to Wiktionary, which I think I'll do right now. Thanks.
  • Delete -- but without objection, I think this can be speedied, rather than VfD'd.. Chiacomo 16:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I'm new round here. Elpaw 16:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Great, welcome to wikipedia -- thanks for being bold! I'm not an admin, but I'm going to change the tag to a speedy delete if you (or no one else) cares. --Chiacomo 17:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete is fine, but I'd like to redirect it to theory or something similarly appropriate. Radiant_* 17:28, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • Shall we mark it for redirect? --Chiacomo 18:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete unless someone comes up with a sensible redirect. This is an encyclopedic topic, but the current article is not a useful start. Kappa 18:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP new article, thank you Aristides. Kappa 23:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, still a dictdef. RickK 23:42, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • Even if you think it's still a dictdef, it has potential for expansion to cover notable cases of debunking, methods used, and people who do it. Kappa 00:30, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Well, that would certaily be at Debunking, wouldn't it? And surely there would be a more descriptive title? RickK 04:13, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Debunker. That's a stub that could do with expansion. Megan1967 04:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Good find Megan, might be best to merge both and move them to RickK's idea of debunking. Kappa 07:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • As the root verb, this wants to be Keeped and debunker merged and redirected here. Purely a semantic point. --Simon Cursitor 07:21, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • I think Wikipedia standard would be to put this at Debunking. 66.60.159.190 16:21, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Redirect to Emo. This has already been done. Deathphoenix 19:35, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Emo kid

Fairly insulting and accurate article on emo culture. Put up as speedy by Thue, but not a speedy candidate. Delete from me, but it deserves a fair trial by a jury of vfders. Meelar (talk) 17:30, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Dudes, this article is totally on key. I definately know like 15 people like the emo kid pictured. Good article
  • I think he may have somethings right, my best friend is TOTALLY like that! We always cut him up for listening to Yellowcard.
  • This seems like a total witch hunt. This a biased audience. There is nothing fair or balanced about several of these comments. Damn emo kids getting all emotional. Get a life.
  • No Speedy Delete. Quit being a Vag Führer and Douche Nazis! This article is totally sweet. Emo kids need serious cheering up. God damn hippies.
  • Speedy delete. I marked it as a speedy as it was IMO too far over the top to be taken seriously (CSD rule #0: common sense :) ). Thue | talk 17:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • It's almost certainly an attack page against the subject of Image:Emokid1.jpg, uploaded by article creator User:Gplefka solely for this article as "example of an emo kid". This is in no way whatsoever the start to an article on emo kids, to which I'd vote either keep or m/r to emo. But I have no objection to deleting or speedying this. Samaritan 17:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Maybe even a speedy delete --BradBeattie 17:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Compare and contrast with Technophile.---Isaac R 18:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • How about just redirecting to Emo? Cause of death
  • Delete, call that an emo kid? Also laugh at pathetic attempts at sockpuppetry. --the wub (talk) 23:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. VERY heavy bias EvilPhoenix (removed vandalism of this comment by 206.245.176.26 --the wub (talk) 23:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC))
  • Keep in light of my considerable rewriting to remove POV and make it more encyclopaedic. id still vote delete on the unhelpful and irrelevant image, but i dont know how to do that. I predict that the author of the article will revert my changes though, he seems rather protective of his hilarious joke. Jdcooper 23:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Undelete until the voting's done. -- Bobdoe (Talk) 00:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Unfunny joke page. Gmaxwell 19:35, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and undelete, notable subculture. Grue 18:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: I guess I didn't speedy it earlier? Oh, well. Attack and tribute pages are right out. The former are libel. The latter are nonsense. Anyone who wants to know about the dubious "genre" of "emo" can search for it there. Anyone who wants to know if there are kids who listen to that stuff won't need an encyclopedia. (In my day, we listened to Joy Division's "Closer" and stared at the walls. We didn't need no cute name for it.) Geogre 14:50, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Delete - if he can't be bothered to give an extlink, then nothing doing. Golbez 17:17, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brendan!

Probably not notable. Thue | talk 17:35, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


Delete. EvilPhoenix

  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 04:54, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • No Deletion, this article is not violating any regulations restricted by the deletion policy. Sir Malice 12:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
    Comment: Above is user's only vote. --Golbez 17:17, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. --Delirium 15:09, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tom shutika

About a high school student. Wikipedia only takes articles on notable figures, sorry. Meelar (talk) 17:40, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Vanity. kweee 18:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. A shining example of a vanity article. DJ Clayworth 20:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 04:54, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as vanity. — JIP | Talk 04:56, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable. Quale 18:17, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clairgustance

Non-notable dicytionary definition already transwikied. Delete. Physchim62 17:36, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • IRL, I'm a food chemist, with a fair amount of experience in sensory science, I.e taste testing and as such I can generally guess what any given thing will taste like with good accuracy.Klonimus 06:03, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Not credible, hearsay. Unless we send a science team to Klonimus's house to verify :) Radiant_* 09:15, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
      • Will the verification process include dissection? (grin) Barno 17:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with ESP. Radiant_* 09:15, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge/Redirect with ESP, although I'm unclear how this differs from the olfactory sense. *shrug* — RJH 14:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Note: with 350 googles, this sounds vaguely neologistic. Radiant_* 17:49, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
      • Quite possibly. It's easy to combine the prefixes "clair-" or "tele-", or the suffix "-kinesis", with a Latin- or Greek-sounding root to get a new paranormal ability. --Carnildo 06:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with ESP or delete as a neologism. --Carnildo 06:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Clairsentience and clairaudience have their own articles (albeit stubs), and this falls along the same line. —Markaci 2005-05-21 T 16:24 Z
  • Keep--Tznkai 18:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 17:15, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Concurring opinion

Dictionary definition. Already transwikied to wiktionary. Physchim62 17:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, appears to be a notable legal concept. Kappa 17:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. A classic stub. As it stands, its a lame dicdef, but there's a lot of encyclopedic material on the subject. ---Isaac R 18:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Legal topic with potential for expansion.Capitalistroadster 01:01, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep notable legal term. Klonimus 20:24, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 17:13, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cotton pad

Not notable, already Bot transwikied to wiktionary. Physchim62 17:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, almost everything in my bathroom cabinet is notable. Kappa 17:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I'm unimpressed by its presence in Kappa's bathroom, but the article does manage to say some non-dicdef things about a very common item. Should be labeled a stub, though. ---Isaac R 18:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The article is wider than a dictionary definition. -Hapsiainen 19:14, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:52, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Common household item. Capitalistroadster 01:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep every household item. I would move this to cotton ball though. And add some material about cotton "bolls". Klonimus 04:24, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep needs expansion though. -- Lochaber 15:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep This article should be labeled as a stub and extended further. -- User:24.69.255.205
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. Golbez 17:13, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Doghead

Dictionary definition, already tranwikied to wiktionary. Physchim62 17:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, notable part of a gun. Wonder what they look like. Kappa 17:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, valid stub. Grue 18:15, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 17:12, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nicholas Zarzycki

No goggle hits for "Nicholas Zarzycki"; is this real. "he was hit by a samurai" sounds like a joke. Thue | talk 17:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete. EvilPhoenix

  • Delete. "Hit by a samurai could be a reference to kirisute, but even so, it reads like nonsense. Nateji77 00:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, vanity mixed in with nonsense. Megan1967 04:52, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kaliko Kat

  • Delete. Non-notable. self-promo. Mikkalai 17:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Calico cat? Mortal Kombat players may misspell it thusly :) Delete either way. Radiant_* 19:11, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • Wow! even VfD is a source if useful information! Mikkalai 19:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Copy . Cannot it be moved to the user's "User:" page instead? --LuxOfTKGL 20:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • It is user's responsibility to maintain his user page. This vote is a warning to him. If they cannot cut and paste, it is not our job to wipe their nose. Mikkalai 20:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 04:51, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Rossami (talk) 23:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Country pubs in Hampshire

A simple List of pubs in Hampshire (without individual articles for each one) might just about be encyclopaedic, but I don't think an article listing country pubs is. Joe D (t) 18:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. Hampshire being Hampshire, most will be country pubs; moving to Pubs in Hampshire might alleiviate your concerns, however. Certainly, individual articles is probably going too far (though if the pubs are, for instance, in the "good pub guide", ...). James F. (talk) 21:37, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - "List of pubs in Hampshire" is Yellow Pages. "Country pubs" is ... okay, maybe not encyclopedic by most rules of most encyclopedias, but certainly by wikisma. --Mothperson 23:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete a list which has no members. Even if it had members, it would be nothing but advertising space. We don't have Pizza parlors in New York, why should be have this article? RickK 23:51, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • Keep important in relation to Hampshire, personally I would like to see List of Pizza parlors in New York. Klonimus 04:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete unless we get a list of Hampshire pubs that are in someways notable even if it is simply because Warnie drinks there. Capitalistroadster 01:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Wouldn't that be identical to a list of all the pubs in Hampshire? ;) Grutness...wha? 02:52, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, notability not established, unmaintainable list. Megan1967 04:49, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unmaintainable directory information. Quale 05:45, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, check if Wikitravel wants it. Radiant_* 09:16, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as above --Carnildo 17:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete- there aren't actually any entries on this list. It just says 'there are many pubs in Hampshire' --Cynical 13:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - more appropriate for Wikitravel Andrewferrier 11:38, 2005 May 20 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 17:11, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Brink

Another high school student. WP only takes entries on people with some degree of encyclopedic notability. Meelar (talk) 18:08, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • delete - Why was this even changed from my speedy callout to a vfd? This is a case for speedy deletion if ever there was one. --John Kenneth Fisher 18:15, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Under which speedy criterion? Kappa 18:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • That would be #1, very short article with little or no context. Borderline case, though, so let's just pull it through VfD proper. Delete as WP:VAIN. Radiant_* 19:10, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
      • Hmmm. Kappa 23:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • This guy seems to want to be on this site. There was a different entry on him yesterday, which poses the question, why are people searching for him? He is an artist, so why not leave him there? Utaking
  • Delete. "great-great-nephew-esque thingy."????? Just bizarre. If this person is notable, the article should begin with a discussion of his contribution to area art, as alleged within the article, with citation. EvilPhoenix
  • Delete. Not notable. Jayjg (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 04:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't Delete, What are the odds of me being here. Adam 06:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • This comment was actually added by user:Utaking 1) who is a very new user with a questionable edit history so far and 2) who has already commented above.
    • Zero, apparently. Radiant_* 17:49, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
      • What do you mean zero? I'm important! Adam 17:59, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, no encyclopedic value. Julianne 02:55, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - High school vanity - Adam admits his friend (also in high school) created this prank entry. (see User talk:63.199.37.10) - Tεxτurε 18:02, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete.

I count 6 clear "delete" votes and 3 clear "keep" votes. I further note that the article is a stub which has not been expanded either during the discussion period or since (somewhat supporting the arguments that it may not be possible to expand into a real article) and that the article is an orphan. Rossami (talk) 23:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Medallion Guitars

One of about 100,000 short-lived non-notable companies/brand names producing cheapo knock-offs of popular guitars. Article states "no info available", confirmed by various online searches, unverifiable. Delete Soundguy99 18:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete.EvilPhoenix
  • Keep musical-instrument companies. And it does seem to be verifiable. Probably takes its name from the rare Medallion line of Gibson guitars in the early 70s (such as the Madallion Flying V), which had actual medallions screwed into them. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:47, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. FWIW, the creator of the article was User:Ecb29, who says his name is "Elliott" on his talk page, and the above link is to an open DIY guitar gear review site, and the reviewer of the guitar listed there is also "Elliott." Plus, compare the description from Harmony Central with the article. I believe at this point we have verified the existence of one (1) actual Medallion guitar. I certainly don't mean to imply that User:Ecb29 is gaming the system or being irresponsible or anything- he seems like a swell & useful editor on a lot of topics. I'm just saying that I can't find any info about this apparently defunct company, so I doubt that an encyclopedic article can be written. I don't think the Gibson Medallion guitars were known enough for a seperate article, either; info on those can remain a section of the Gibson article. Soundguy99 21:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
      • There's at least one more. Who knows, maybe they only made a few of them. In any case, considering that every guitar is a collectible guitar, I'd say that even relatively obscure brands should at least get an article. It even has a picture! Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:57, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, it's certainly verifiable, although probably rare. The only other place I can find the brand *online* is [22], but since the company probably went out of business before the advent of the web, you won't find anything in Google except the HC page which I wrote some years ago. My father remembers this brand of guitars in the 70s. Elliott C. Bäck 22:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, non-notable guitar company. Let's not have articles on every company that has ever existed just because they're verifiable. RickK 23:53, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, informative, verifiable, nontrivial article. Kappa 00:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, non notable company. Megan1967 04:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as ad, NN or VAIN. Radiant_* 09:17, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. How do you have an ad for a company or brand which no longer exists? Elliott C. Bäck 17:34, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Yes, that would be rather tricky (but ads needn't be about the money, it could also be about name recog). Ok, make it NN or VAIN then. Radiant_* 17:50, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
        • Well, can't really be VAIN either--I have no affiliation with the company ;) Elliott C. Bäck 19:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: Not a significant guitar company. Information would be better in Independent guitar companies or Electric guitar makers or some place similar. However, as a stand-alone entity, this is no more than a shard on an unsought and insignificant manufacturer. Shoot, Hondo was a bigger clone co. We are not the Yellow Pages, nor the Yellow Pages of the Past. Geogre 15:00, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was DELETE. Golbez 17:10, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Connie corleone

This band seems to be not significant enough to deserve an article in an encyclopedia. A Goole search showed only a couple of gigs ("Connie Corleone" +"band", "Connnie Corleone" +"banda"). I believe they haven't recorded anything, because such would have shown up, too. -Hapsiainen 18:49, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:MUSIC. Radiant_* 19:11, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • DELETE and REDIRECT to Constanzia 'Connie' Corleone-Rizzi 132.205.15.43 04:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: I'd agree with a redirect-only, but there is also the matter of the miniscule in the last name. (Geogre's Rule: If the last name is in lower case, odds are the article is going to be poor.) Geogre 15:02, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was ambiguous.

The arguments are about equally split between "delete" (with the dominant argument being that it's already in Wiktionary) and "keep" - that it is expandable. Noting that the article was not expanded during the discussion period nor since and that the current version remains a mere dictionary definition (something explicitly listed on What Wikipedia is not), I am going to exercise my discretion to override the strict vote count and delete this version. This decision should not be considered precedent if the article is recreated as a substantial and encyclopedic article on the topic. Rossami (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Liking

Not notable. Physchim62 18:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Maybe wiktionary? Not encyclopediac. kweee 19:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Could be in wiktionary, but affiliated with "like", as a form of the verb "to like", rather than its own entry.EvilPhoenix
  • Delete. There is already a more defined like. This isn't necessary. Nestea 20:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, liking is a notable phenomenon, and like is full of other definitions. Kappa 00:23, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge/redir to like] per Kappa. Radiant_* 09:18, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep IF cleanup/expand. Liking is a notable topic in social psychology and this article could be expanded into such, which I'd do now if I weren't falling asleep at the keyboard. Marblespire 08:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect. El_C 23:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Kappa and Marblespire. —Markaci 2005-05-21 T 17:13 Z
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Redirect. Golbez 17:09, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Global market

Not notable. Physchim62 19:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep and expand. kweee 19:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to globalization. Gdr 20:34, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Redirect as Gdr suggests. Vegaswikian 06:49, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Agreed, Redirect. El_C 23:05, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. —Xezbeth 04:57, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Horror (emotion)

Not notable. Physchim62 19:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep and expand. There's got to be some encyclopediac stuff to say on this subject. kweee 19:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, but expand. EvilPhoenix
  • Keep and expand per kweee and Evilphoenix. Samaritan 22:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, could be expanded to cover physiological effects, and the reason people seem to enjoy it. Kappa 23:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, notable emotion. Klonimus 20:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:25, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "the best"

Hoax, bordering on speedy. ("THE BEST is a loose affiliation of anarchist activist pop stars. Their purported objected is the overthrow of a Government which they feel has grown too martial in its policies.") Rl 19:06, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Random. Uncited. EvilPhoenix
  • Delete. Rubbish. DJ Clayworth 20:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, nonsense. Megan1967 04:46, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, complete nonsense; we could BJAODN it! --SuperDude 06:38, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete (already transwikied). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Idiosyncratic usage

No more than a dictionary defination Joey Roe

  • Move to Wiktionary. EvilPhoenix
  • Keep, important topic in linguistics. Kappa 23:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, Kappa's votes are idiosyncratic. RickK 04:28, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
    • The origins and consequences of idiosyncratic votes actions, like idiosyncratic word uses, are part of the sum of human knowledge. Kappa 08:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • RickK, WP:NPA (borderline but I thought it bears mentioning) Radiant_* 09:19, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Dicdef. Quale 05:45, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. "Idiosyncratic usage" is not a technical term of linguistics. --Angr/comhrá 06:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • "Idiosyncratic" by itself is. Kappa 08:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure "idiosyncratic" is a technical term of linguistics. Linguists use the word, but I woudln't say they use it with any specialized meaning distinct from its everyday meaning. --Angr/comhrá 06:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, redir to idiosyncratic. Radiant_* 09:18, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
    • Um, at the moment, idiosyncratic is a redirect to idiosyncratic usage. (Up until eleven days ago, idiosyncratic was just a blank page.) Anyway, isn't there a policy or semi-policy that article names should be nouns, not adjectives? --Angr/comhrá 06:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as well as idiosyncratic inclusionists. :) Gmaxwell 21:33, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 13:16, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pencil case

Not notable, unless you are a Manchester schoolchild. Physchim62 19:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, right next to the breadbox. kweee 19:27, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep.EvilPhoenix
  • Keep. I agree with Kweee—supremely mundane entry along the lines of breadbox. DeweyQ 20:36, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Longhair | Talk 21:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, notable to Manchester schoolchildren. Kappa 23:09, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Common household item. Capitalistroadster 01:09, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I used this Klonimus 04:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. "Boisterous play?" In America it would have been called a terrorist attack, and the child would have been tried as an adult. --Angr/comhrá 06:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep needs expansion and could use a picture. -- Lochaber 15:38, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:23, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arik Johnson

Vanity. I'm not terribly fond of the "put up your vanity resume and have editors write an article for you" school of writing. This guy may be somewhat notable, so if someone wants to turn this into a proper article, be my guest. FWIW, userfy is not an option because the user page already has the same content. Rl 19:20, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Vanity. User page would be sufficient for this information. Also, use of large picture is innapropriate waste of Wikipedia resources.EvilPhoenix
  • Delete. Not notable, vanity. Jayjg (talk) 21:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Ditto. Nateji77 00:54, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userfy if at all possible. Otherwise, delete. -- BDAbramson thimk 03:56, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Merge with bung. Deathphoenix 19:46, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rubber bung

Basic laboratory equipment is not notable. Physchim62 19:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. I agree. Short article, but worth keeping. EvilPhoenix
  • Keep. Entries don't have to be highly technical or many pages long. --Unfocused 20:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Merge with and Redirect to less specific bung per Isaac R. --Unfocused 03:09, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Huh huh, huh, huh huh, huh, huh huh, huh, huh huh, huh, huh huh, huh. "Bung" Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:51, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with bung. ---Isaac R 22:45, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, I think it's better unmerged. Kappa 23:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • So what precisely is notable about rubber bungs that isn't true for generic bungs? (Bung, bung, bung...) ---Isaac R 00:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Keep or merge after taking another look. Kappa 00:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep But change to rubber stopper. I have never heard of these being refered to as bung's Klonimus 04:18, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with bung. Fits perfectly and more convenient to read. Mikkalai 00:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with bung. BTW, the bung article is an interesting one. Capitalistroadster 01:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with something. Maybe merge Bung, Rubber bung and Stopper (plug)? Fg2
  • Merge with Bung. Megan1967 04:42, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge. Radiant_* 09:19, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Bung. -- Lochaber 15:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Recipe for instant hilarity Try reading this entire VfD out loud. The more people who happen to be in the room, the better. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:17, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Merge and redirect STG to Prison gang. Deathphoenix 19:56, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prison gang

Not notable. Physchim62 19:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. EvilPhoenix
  • Keep and expand. The sociological and criminological implications of prison gangs is certainly a highly important and notable issue in modern society. See Aryan Brotherhood. --FCYTravis 19:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Well documented phenomena, connected to but distinct from street gangs. -- BDAbramson thimk 19:56, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. These gangs' influence on the average civilian is thankfully small but it is still of sociological import. –DeweyQ 20:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Either keep or merge into gang. Preferably keep, esp. if this can be expanded from its current ultrastub status. Meelar (talk) 20:02, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:59, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Wikipedia already has some information about prison gangs (longer than this article) under the title STG (Security Threat Group). I recommend that the information from STG be merged into Prison gang given that "prison gang" is a more well-known term (although "STG" is used as well). --Metropolitan90 22:21, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's very bad dicdef-made-stub, but prison gangs are a huge topic, so there's much potential for growth. ---Isaac R 22:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Notable topic with rooms for expansion. Capitalistroadster 02:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep this article and Merge and Redirect STG into it per Metropolitan90's suggestion. Law enforcement neologies deserve no more respect than any other. --Unfocused 03:33, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and merge STG as above. Topic is definitely notable - Skysmith 09:56, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:22, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ghinwa Khairallah

Nonsense and/or weird, weird vanity. See also Ghinwa, which is also up for VfD --Redit 19:31, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. kweee 19:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Adulation page. Trying to impress the wife, I'd guess. --Unfocused 19:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete.EvilPhoenix
  • Delete Dude, buy her flowers next time. Geez. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:53, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Yech. Jayjg (talk) 21:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, as per my previous vote on Ghinwa. Megan1967 04:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Agreed vanity. Enochlau 09:14, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was Redirect. Golbez 17:06, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jorge Arantes

I believe this article should be deleted, because the first few sentences (and therefore the first half) contain the same information as the J.K. Rowling article. As Mr. Arante's claim to fame is being the ex-husband of J. K. Rowling, he is unlikely to gain further noteworthiness. I propose that information about Mr. Arantes may be contained within the Rowling article, and that this article is unneeded.EvilPhoenix 19:37, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • Even if unneeded this should be a redirect and not deleted. It can be made a redirect without listing it here. DJ Clayworth 20:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Make a redirect to J.K. Rowling. If his television journalism career takes off, we can reconsider. DeweyQ 20:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:54, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect. Nateji77 00:52, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete from main namespace (moved to User:JuanMuslim/temp). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:19, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Juan Galvan

This seems to be a vanity page created by Juan Galvan himself, who is editing as JuanMuslim. This article doesn't have the potential to become encyclopedic because of the lack of independent, credible published sources. I've corresponded by e-mail with Juan to try to find out whether there are sources out there, or whether he's published something himself in a regular newspaper or similar, but he has referred me only to short commentary pieces on websites. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:38, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

I offered to do that for him, but he said no. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:08, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
Then my vote is Delete. -- BDAbramson thimk 20:42, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Userfy or delete. Stephen Compall 20:11, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete or userfy. (This dude's really quite interesting, but the article doesn't belong in Wikipedia.) QuartierLatin1968 20:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete at least until his book gets published. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:00, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable, vanity, unverifiable. Jayjg (talk) 21:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity. Nateji77 00:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity. --Viriditas | Talk 02:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Vanity. Klonimus 04:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable, vanity. Megan1967 04:38, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userfy--Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Userpageify -SV|t 22:17, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

(Userfy Suggested by Juan Galvan/JuanMuslim)

  • Userfy or Keep--Juan Galvan 17 May 2005. Since the first day I posted the entry about myself, I have been replying to SlimVirgin's emails. All of which I have promply replied to. I do believe that I have provided sufficient references etc. I sincerely believe that I am undergoing more scrutiny than a Christian with my credentials because I am a Muslim. I have also added a criticisms section to my Juan Galvan entry, and I welcome anyone to edit the entry as they feel is necessary. This is what I wrote to SlimVirgin regarding changes to my entry: "As for the entry to Juan Galvan, I think it is fine as well. I'll take a at it again. You're free to edit that entry as well."

In her most recent posting on my user page, she requested I send her a link to the article in which I was quoted by the NY Times. She submitted my page for possible deletion within three hours after her request without providing me sufficient time to reply to her request. http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/newminority.html


Quoted In the Associated Press http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/historyhispanic.html


From : Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> Sent : Monday, May 9, 2005 12:30 AM

Hola, Yes, I perfectly understand. I still should be listed regardless. How many of the Muslims listed do most Americans know about really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslims That's all I'm asking for. For example, I know Yusuf Estes who is listed and he knows me but how many non-Muslims know of us? He hasn't written a book nor intends to do so. He is not a 'public figure' nor a journalist. There are several Muslims on that list who haven't written a book, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_Estes

On 5/8/05, Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> wrote: Yes, here are three examples...

Islamic Horizons http://www.isna.net/services/horizons/current/LeadingOthers.html http://www.latinodawah.org/horizons.html

The Message International http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec/cover.htm http://www.latinodawah.org/themessage.html http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec/interview.pdf


On 5/8/05, Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> wrote: Hola, I've read all the articles/links you sent me. Well, I'm interested in getting the article "neutralized" if that makes any sense at all. So I invite others to edit as needed. It's for comparative religion. The articles online right now about Mary at wikipedia are primarily from a Christian theological and/or historical perspective.

Here are various articles I've written, yup, I'm well-known. I don't mind if you or others edit the article on "Juan Galvan" Here are some articles/evidence you requested...

http://www.latinodawah.org/themessage.html http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec/cover.htm http://www.latinodawah.org/horizons.html http://www.isna.net/services/horizons/current/LeadingOthers.html http://www.hispanicmuslims.com/ http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/ http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/moreembracing.html http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/reclaim.html http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/sanantonio.html http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/latinogrowth.html http://latinodawah.org/newsletter/index.html http://www.islamfortoday.com/galvan.htm


On 5/8/05, Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> wrote: Hola,

Thank you for your help. I've added three website links at the bottom of the article along with a statement saying "Written from an Islamic perspective."

Most of everything on en.wikipedia.org is written from a Christian or American point of view even though not intentionally. You can help edit the article on Virgin Mary in Islam as needed. I include several references to Quran as needed to give a larger view of the Muslim perspective. I think my article is fine the way it is.

As for the entry to Juan Galvan, I think it is fine as well. I'll take a at it again. You're free to edit that entry as well. Juan Galvan is the most well-known and respected Latino Muslim in the U.S. http://latinodawah.org/works/jjgalvan.html

Juan Galvan's entry is no different than other entries found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslims

The Juan Galvan entry is modeled after the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irshad_Manji http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farakhan

  • Delete. User does not want to Userfy, and does not seem to be encyclopedic. Irshad Manji and Louis Farakhan are on a different level of notability than Juan Galvan. —Markaci 2005-05-21 T 16:47 Z
  • Comment -- Juan Galvan | (talk) 23 May 2005. Most Muslims would argue whether these two people are Muslims. Believing or saying crazy things doesn't give a person credentials. So most Muslims would argue that they should not be listed. Most well-known, accomplished Muslims are simply not listed, because they aren't very vocal or crazy. Radical groups such as the Nation of Islam and Taliban are listed but mainstream Muslim organizations, such as ISNA or ICNA, are not. I plan to help in that regard. And as for those who included in theList_of_Muslims, you simply cannot judge by your own standards because most Muslims who are listed are unrecognized by non-Muslims. I want the entry on Juan Galvan userfied. Posted by User:JuanMuslim
    • Juan, I changed your vote above to a comment, as you've already voted. If you'd like the page to be moved to your user page, I can do that for you; or if you'd like a new user subpage for it, I can do that too. If you want a new subpage, you'll have to say what name you'd like for it. It could be User:JuanMuslim/Juan Galvan; or User:JuanMuslim/bio, or something like that. SlimVirgin (talk) 12:46, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment -- Juan Galvan | (talk) --206.104.239.1 13:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC) Thank you for your assistance. I'm still learning the ropes. There are many good, helpful people on this wonderful Wikipedia service. I will continue to make a case for the entry on Juan Galvan.
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 14:52, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spiritual marriage

Hoax. famous german proverb by an 18th century philosopher, "kcuf snaibsel hctaw," which is translated as the passion of God. 'nuff said. Rl 20:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Read the "proverb" backwards. EvilPhoenix

  • Keep and Stubify or Cleanup based on the content of the current article. There's clearly an encyclopedia article to be had there. For example, here is a reference from googling this phrase: Spiritual Marriage: Sexual Abstinence in Medieval Wedlock by Elliot, D., published by Princeton University Press--Unfocused 20:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as nonsense: try reading the name of that supposed 18th-century philosopher backward... Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:57, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • strong keep (as now cleaned up) this idea has a long history in early Christian and gnostic groups and - and even before that. (I don't know that limiting the discussion to Catholicism is particularly appropriate)--Doc Glasgow 21:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC) On reflection, although this merits an article - this isn't at all a good start - total rewrite or delete--Doc Glasgow 21:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Before it was a hoax, now it's just POV. Jayjg (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. It isn't point of view, it's a church doctrine. I know because I was raised Catholic, in a Catholic school, with years of Catholic religion classes. It was taught extensively. I don't intend to further expand this article because that's a part of my own life I've decided to leave behind, and I have no interest in researching and documenting this further. Given that this was subject of a vandalistic start, I see why it was nominated, but I think I've done the basic research to show that the topic itself clearly belongs. Valid Wikipedia topics should not be stained by the juvenile behavior of early editors. --Unfocused 23:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. It seems this is something. Isn't the term also used when a nun, by taking her vows, becomes the bride of Christ? Eixo 23:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. Yes, this is true. The church itself and every nun are considered to be "Brides of Christ" in spiritual marriage. Funny how there aren't any husbands...  ;) --Unfocused 23:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep but requires sources. Kappa 23:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. good cleanup. Mikkalai 00:20, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep reasonable stub (welldone to those people who cleaned it up) on notable religious topic. Capitalistroadster 02:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - ah, the magic of Wikipedia. -- BDAbramson thimk 03:52, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
  • Keep if it can be established that a "spiritual marriage" means something more than a marriage that is spiritual (i.e. one that includes being religious). (Googling the phrase mostly gets me results like "Is yours a spiritual marriage?" using the phrase in a way that's no more than the sum of its parts.)
  • Delete Non-encyclopedic, orignal research, god-cruft. Gmaxwell 21:37, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, and I've added some related "see also..." links. Peter Ellis 02:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Chiu (statistician)

His name paired with SPSS yields 17 results

Lotsofissues 21:04, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. One sentence, and no justification for noteworthiness within article. EvilPhoenix
  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 04:35, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Very weak keep.JuntungWu 12:39, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. —Markaci 2005-05-21 T 16:46 Z
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 14:51, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Time and date and astronomy on Mars

This is a cleanup/deletion request. The page content has been previously split into Astronomy on Mars and Timekeeping on Mars. I've fixed the page links that pointed here to instead point to these two pages. So only user, discussion and redirect pages now point here. (At least as far as I could tell checking the "What links here" page.)

The following redirects also point to Time and date and astronomy on Mars, but are not linked to by anything except user/discussion pages: Yestersol, Time and date on Mars, Time, calendar and astronomy on Mars, and Time, date and astronomy on Mars. So, if the vote is to delete, I'd like to see these removed as well. — RJH 21:12, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. But Yestersol must be kept. I am re-redirecting it to Timekeeping on Mars. Mikkalai 00:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I was the one that originally split the article into two separate articles. I agree that Yestersol should be merge/redirected with Timekeeping on Mars. Now that all the redirection work has been done (thanks RJH), it is safe to delete. --  B.d.mills  (Talk)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 14:48, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deferred

Transwikied to Wiktionary. --MikeJ9919 21:12, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, important concept in accounting. Could be expanded to discuss legal and tax implications. Possibly rename to deferral. Kappa 00:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - totally agree with Kappa. -- BDAbramson thimk 03:50, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
  • Rename per Kappa. Radiant_* 09:20, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:21, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Harahuc

Possibly a vanity page --TheParanoidOne 21:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, it may or may not be vanity (I think it is), but in any case it is very badly written and not worth cleaning up. --Jamyskis 22:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity. EvilPhoenix
  • Delete, vanity, and poorly written vanity at that. --the wub (talk) 23:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Vanity. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:21, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shadow Jedi

The information presented in this article is original fan fiction and should be deleted. --Timon 21:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Weak fanfiction isn't encyclopedic. --A Man In Black 22:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. --EvilPhoenix
  • Delete --maru 23:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Weak, pointless Star Wars fancruft. Nestea 03:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with Jedi as per WP:FICT. Provided that the term Shadow Jedi does in fact exist in published Star Wars materials (i.e. computer games, movies or novels), if not then delete. -- Lochaber 15:56, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • As far as I can tell, it doesn't. A Man In Black 06:58, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:20, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scarborough Board of Education school buses

Not notable. Board no longer exits; include in Toronto District School Board. Samw 21:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:19, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Board of Education of North York school buses

School board no longer exits. Footnote in Toronto District School Board Samw 22:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. EvilPhoenix
  • Delete. What the hell is this? Mcfly85 23:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Obliterate --the wub (talk) 23:15, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I spent much of my young life on these buses! That these were yellow, Blue Bird and GMC buses was encyclopedic and notable because... by God, of course not, delete. Samaritan 03:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I was all ready to come in with my pages and pages of convincing arguments about why this article should be kept, but a guy with such a cool name voted delete, so I will too. Oh, and I suppose I should also say something like non-notable and unencyclopedic. --Deathphoenix 03:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. When all five phoenixes get together do they form a giant robot? --NormanEinstein 03:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Branch into:
    • Board of Education of North York morning school buses with female drivers
    • Board of Education of North York afternoon school buses with female drivers
    • Board of Education of North York morning school buses with male drivers
    • Board of Education of North York afternoon school buses with male drivers
    • Board of Education of North York morning school buses with transgendered drivers
    • Board of Education of North York afternoon' school buses with transgendered drivers

If we can't write thorough, authoritative well-constructed articles on each of these topics, then just delete. Ground Zero 14:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Aw, c'mon, don't all NYC busses serve Greater Toronto? Delete anyway. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson 19:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. --Spinboy 03:09, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 14:36, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of French Jews

This articles, as many containing list of Jews, are simply awful. How can anybody feel free to publish publicly the religion appartenance of anyone? Thankfully, Nazi time is over, and that kind of pages should be deleted as soon as possible.

Raphael

(nomination by User:TheMoutch)

  • Keep. This is one of a series, with the parent at List of Jews by country. Somehow I don't think they're kept to single people out for persecution, nor is it based on "religion", but ethnicity/cultural identity. Postdlf 22:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't think divulging the fact that Alfred Dreyfus was Jewish constitutes a breach of privacy. Rather I think the fact is important for anyone trying to gain a better understanding of history. Eixo 23:26, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This article has existed almost a year now. I see no reason why this article should be removed.EvilPhoenix
  • Keep. We have thousands of lists that are equally liable to offend (and are also equally informative and encyclopedic). -- BDAbramson thimk 23:54, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
  • Keep - thankfully, Nazi time is over, being Jewish should be nothing to be ashamed of, and a collaborative encyclopedia should be free to identify prominent individuals publicly holding to a religion. Samaritan 00:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Useful list. Capitalistroadster 02:18, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep in memory of List of Saudi Arabian Jews Klonimus 04:14, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep — I don't see a problem with such a list, any more than a List of French Muslims, for example. — RJH 14:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Listcruft. Just because we have thousands of lists like this is no reason to keep this one. --Carnildo 18:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete in memory of List of Saudi Arabian Jews. I think consistency is what Wikipedia desperately needs. Grue 18:22, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't get your point. The List of Jews by country series list Jews from 96 different countries, including 9 Arab ones. That's pretty consistent. Juko
  • Keep in memory of Polish Jews (all 3 million of them). Juko 08:55, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 01:13, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Eucalculus

Article starts "Eucalculus is a term devised by Charles Douglas Wehner for an extended form of the infinitesimal calculus." and is signed with CDW. Neither MathSciNet nor Zentralblatt MATH (big databases with information on maths articles) has an article mentioning eucalculus. All webpages containing "eucalculus" known to Google are connected to Mr Wehner. Nonnotable and original research, so delete. Jitse Niesen 22:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, original research --the wub (talk) 23:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, original research - Omegatron 01:03, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. The author seems to think this is an idea newly introduced in the 1970s. The idea of derivatives of non-integer orders is much older than that. See fractional calculus. It is probably not known by the name eucalculus other than by the person who wrote this article. Michael Hardy 02:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as original research. Charles Matthews 08:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, neologism. Radiant_* 09:21, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Oleg Alexandrov 18:59, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was merge/redirect. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Regional_Engineering_College,_Calicut

Regional Engineering College Calicut is now known as National_Institute_of_Technology_Calicut. Don't need two articles for one institution

  • Above is by User:152.78.201.165. RickK 23:56, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge as appropriate. Please remember to sign your vfd nominations with ~~~~. Kappa 23:36, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. RickK 23:56, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with National Institute of Technology Calicut. In cases like these you don't need vfd, you can just be bold and merge them yourself. Gamaliel 00:38, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP and rename. Golbez 17:02, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Come inside

Band is non-notable, probably vanity, google search for "come inside" +"twin tone" brings up 7 results, only one of them appears to refer to the band in question. Jdcooper 23:02, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, not notable, band vanity. Megan1967 04:33, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename as Come Inside. Notable per Wikipedia:WikiProject Music. The band signed to Stupido Records, which has e.g. the following nationally notable artists: Giant Robot, Eläkeläiset, The Duplo!. So the record label is clearly notable. And the band released two albums, which were reviewed in major national music magazines. (Soundi) -Hapsiainen 23:18, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.