Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lloyd Whiffen
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was No consensus. Ty 15:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Lloyd Whiffen
The subject doesn't seem to be notable to me. The only (implied) assertion of importance is being the grandfather of Tim Cantor, who's notability I also think is suspect - see that article's tags (sorry, they've been removed now), it's talk page and it's creator's pages for my comments. The sources aren't reliable as they are written by Tim Cantor or his publisher. The only source I can find that isn't written by Tim cantor (or his web site or his publisher) is one at CALART, which looks like a site for selling the article's subject's art. Note, the creator of this article also created Ashby Galleries and Tim Cantor - I believe they're all suspect and possibly POV. Ha! (talk) 06:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. —Ha! (talk) 06:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Comment. I've requested speedy deletion for Amy cantor which has just been created by the same editor that created Lloyd Whiffen, Tim Cantor, Ashby Galleries Ha! (talk) 07:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Delete Definitely not notable (WP:N). Note that there is an artist Lloyd Dundas Whiffen whom I did see mentioned in my Art books, but this is not the artist of this article. Further, there is almost certainly conflict of interest (WP:COI). MortimerCat (talk) 08:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- This may be the same Lloyd Dundas Whiffen you're referring to. See the Calart page (on Google Cache [1] as the Calart one is currently broken) where his name is listed as Lloyd Dundas Whiffen and there is mention of India. Then the section on Tim Cantor's web site [2] where it talks about his grandfather (India) and the image is the same as the one on Lloyd Whiffen (also see more detail of the picture on Tim Cantor's site at [3]). The date of death listed on Calart is 1951 and on Lloyd Whiffen is 1959 but that's possibly just an error in one of them. Ha! (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- I have retracted my delete for now. If it is Lloyd Dundas Whiffen, then he has some notability. Work needs to be done. The birth and death date in the article disagree with my Lloyd Dundas Whiffen birth and death dates. It is still possible that Tim Cantor great -grandfather and Dundas are different people, and the other sources have mixed them up as well. MortimerCat (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- When you say he was mentioned in your art books, do you mean an art book you have access to now, or one that you remember (I'm after a name of the book so I can try and add a reference). Ha! (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- Did I say Art Book? I meant the Artprice web site, which indicates his work occasionally come up for sale as a named item. MortimerCat (talk) 07:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- That site says [4] it has a 371 character biography on him taken from Who Was Who in American Art. I think this means he's heading towards notability. Maybe I should have just tagged the article with improvement templates rather than submiting for AfD Ha! (talk) 13:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- Did I say Art Book? I meant the Artprice web site, which indicates his work occasionally come up for sale as a named item. MortimerCat (talk) 07:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- When you say he was mentioned in your art books, do you mean an art book you have access to now, or one that you remember (I'm after a name of the book so I can try and add a reference). Ha! (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- I have retracted my delete for now. If it is Lloyd Dundas Whiffen, then he has some notability. Work needs to be done. The birth and death date in the article disagree with my Lloyd Dundas Whiffen birth and death dates. It is still possible that Tim Cantor great -grandfather and Dundas are different people, and the other sources have mixed them up as well. MortimerCat (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. – David Eppstein (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't seem to meet WP:BIO even on the Calart info. Johnbod (talk) 15:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Can you guys please re-read this article. I worked on it and am crossing my finges that it is getting closer to being accepted. Thanks. -Harry T. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProfessorHarrison (talk • contribs) 12:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Above, MorimerCat wrote that he found mention of Lloyd Dundas Whiffen in his art books. This absolutely is the same Lloyd Whiffen in this article. Thanx Mortimer, it helped find and gather more info and correct the date of birth and death. Can it remain on wikipedia now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.136.226.4 (talk) 09:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. I'm tending towards a very weak keep rather than a delete now, even though I nominated it. The reason is the new info about a biography in "Who was who in American Art" (i.e. he's the subject of reliable secondary source material that's intellectually and subject independent). Although I can't read the biography, I do believe there is one on him in there. "Who was who in American Art" is a reliable enough source for me, it's cited enough by other books and there's a short summary here [5] that makes me think it's a reliable source. Ha! (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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