Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Little Fighter 2

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 19:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Little Fighter 2

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Non-notable freeware game. The article author claims it's one of the most popular freeware games ever, but I haven't had any luck finding any references backing up that claim, and there are none in the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete as unsourced unnotable game per WP:SOFTWARE. It has seven other-language wiki articles, which is about seven more than I expected, but none of them have obviously independent sources either.--Dhartung | Talk 06:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Initially I was inclined to agree, but according to Download.com the game has been downloaded from them nearly four million times. Granted big numbers aren't everything, but that's still an indicator that the game is notable. The only question now is whether sources can be found for verification. Cheers, Lanky TALK 15:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Changed to Delete. I still haven't found anything, and I don't think the Freeloader article is enough. I thought there'd be more, but I suppose not. Cheers, Lanky TALK 23:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I guess I have to ask how that number compares to other software downloads from Download.com. Without context, I have no idea how popular or unpopular that makes this piece of software. Chunky Rice 17:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Again, WP:BIGNUMBER, but the Doom 3 demo only managed to score a little over 600,000 downloads on the same site. The Half-Life 2 demo sits at just under 300,000. I imagine that the demos' sizes and system requirements, being larger and higher than Little Fighter 2's, were a factor but... Yeah. Cheers, Lanky TALK 20:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Also checked, and we might want to use the Starcraft demo as a better metric, as it's been on the site a similar length of time. That's still sitting under the one million download mark by over 100,000 downloads. Cheers, Lanky TALK 20:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Just a comment ... how should download figures note into noteworthiness? I don't know if downloading something (which has a name rather close to Street Fighter II) neccessarily means the downloader is aware of the actual contents or not. IL-Kuma 00:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
    Yeah. I'm not sure how we're going to write an article based on a number of downloads, either. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
    • It was primarily an indication that the game is fairly popular, and nearly four million downloads (from just one source, where multiple sources exist) indicates that the subject is not, as pointed out in the nomination, non-notable. Unable to be verified by reliable secondary sources is a very different story, but still a condition for exclusion from the 'pedia. If I can't find anything and nobody produces anything else within the next couple of days, I'll switch my Weak Keep to a Delete. Cheers, Lanky TALK 04:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. A quick search turned up this Freeloader feature on 1UP.com. Given that the game is, at present, approaching eight years old it might be more difficult than expected to find more sources. I'll add it to the article for now so that it can be used later. Cheers, Lanky TALK 04:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep This game is notable in Asia. Vitruelugia 01:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Where is your evidence for that? --Scottie_theNerd 09:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. --Scottie_theNerd 09:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete; the Freeloader feature looks fine, but ideally we should have multiple sources. I've had a good search; IGN has an entry but with no real information. Even searcing for '"Little Fighter 2" -download' doesn't come up with any reliable sources per WP:Reliable sources. I have no doubts that it is popular, but that's not enough. Will keep looking though. Marasmusine 15:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Transwiki I moved the info to a gaming wiki it can be found here. So it can be deleted --Cs california 07:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep We have at least one secondary source for verifiability, and the download count for notability. Most coverage of a game is going to happen when the game first comes out. If that was eight years ago, then searching now isn't going to help. On the other hand, a freeware game that's still going strong after 8 years seems notable to me. Capmango 06:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
    • As said above, the number of downloads from a site is not an indicator of notability, and many non-notable freeware programs can continue for years without ever becoming notable. If the game had little to no coverage when it came out, it brings into question if it is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. --Scottie_theNerd 08:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.