Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of cliches

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The result was delete all. The typical cliches can be talked about at the movie genre articles, as long as they're sourced. In the present form, the lists are original research and filled with cruft. - Bobet 10:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of cliches

Following the successful afd of List of film clichés by genre and the current afd on List of action film clichés, I'm nominating the other sublists of cliches for deletion.

None of these cite any sources except the films themselves, a blatant violation of our prohibitions on original research, and they're essentially huge collections of whatever editors happen to think are cliches, making them fundamentally unverifiable.

Film lists:

• List of horror movie clichés
• List of drama movie clichés
• List of comedy movie clichés
• List of science fiction clichés

I've gone through some of the entries on List of cliché lists, and the ones for computer games, advertising, and comics have at least cited other articles which recognized things as cliches, even if they are filled with unsupported entries, so I'll hold off on nominating the rest for now.

Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 19:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all. What is "cliche" is subjective and a matter of personal opinion. Agent 86 20:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all as per Agent88. Total POV flouting of WP:OR. Most of the material on these pages aren't even really clichés anyway, they're simply opinionated lists of plot devices common to virtually all forms of fiction since the 19th century. Wikipedia articles are no place for personal opinions and observations. Crabapplecove 01:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all agreed with all above.--JCipriani 02:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Deletel all per WP:OR. -- Koffieyahoo 07:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- Riki 11:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Why? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 12:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The horror movie cliches have certainly been written about by movie critics such as Roger Ebert, although I certainly don't have a citation handy. Ebert also wrote about romantic movie cliches, using "SEMIOLI" to refer to the "semi-obligatory lyrical interlude" such as a couple running through the park in slow motion, or the "cute meet." Some of these articles may be devoid of references, but certainly the references are there to be found. Hollywood's lifeblood was the movie cliche. Westerns? Gimme a break. Thre should be referenced articles for Western( a man walks into a room where someone has been shot. He picks up the gun just in time for the sheriff to walk in and arrest him), Horror movies, and Romantic movies, as well as the Evil Overlord movie cliches which have been collected in various places.Edison 03:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all As above. Good for blogs. Bad for an encyclopedia. MarkBuckles 03:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - As much as I like these articles, and as much hard work I personally put into cleaning them up, I just don't see any way to possibly verify something like "movie cliches." And there's no way to keep up with them--the edits seem endless. I cleaned them up to the best of my ability, and two weeks later they were completely filled with crap again. Ohh, all those hours wasted that could have been spent searching for Internet porn. Wavy G 22:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but the horror page, for example, needs a serious rewrite. Maybe condense the many pages into one titled "common film cliches" etc. and divide the page by genre. BethEnd 03:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Move Yes it needs cleanup, yes it may not be Wikipedia-standart material, but I've seen dumber lists around, really. And these are ones I actually find of some use. Kobayen 02:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Lots of POV and I've noticed a lot of non-cliches. (I.E. a zombie having to be killed with a shot to the head is not a cliche, its a rule. You might as well say vampires being staked are cliched)--CyberGhostface 14:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep All Could be more thouroughly edited but very to the point and useful, a definit kepper.User:Aries green monkey23:10, 6 August 2006 (UCT)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.