Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of overviews

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy keep, wrong place.. Maxim(talk) 22:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of overviews

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This is pretty much a list of articles on random topics sorted by various categories, like a table of contents of sorts. However, something in this format certainly does not belong in the mainspace. I am listing it here because discussions on moving it elsewhere have failed or stalled. As long as it remains in the mainspace, it is an indiscriminate, directory of very loosely connected topics, and is self-referential, and is a candidate for deletion. If kept, this should be moved as a direct result of this AFD discussion. Coredesat 00:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Query - Could you expand a bit on why it doesn't belong in the mainspace? I'm thinking that if it doesn't belong in the mainspace, then it doesn't belong anywhere. Is it duplicative of other pages in the mainspace? SolidPlaid 01:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
    • It doesn't belong in mainspace because it resembles a portal or a page in the portal namespace. However, it's not exactly a portal. It's basically a flashy "list of everything". --Coredesat 02:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Move to Portal:Overviews. —Scott5114↗ 03:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and move as per Scott5114 and Coredesat --Emesee 06:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep - The reason given for deleting is invalid - that is, we don't delete pages just because efforts to move them didn't acquire consensus - which means the consensus was to keep them in place. The nominator seems hell-bent upon moving this page and is admittedly using the deletion process as a tool or forum to override the current consensus which the discussions he referenced failed to change -- this is an abuse of the AfD process, and therefore is grounds for speedy keep. Move discussions belong on talk pages or on the village pump, not in XfDs. Note that all lists are self-referential, and are an exception to the "no self-references" guideline, and therefore WP:SELF is also an invalid reason for deleting. See Wikipedia:Lists for more information. The overviews page is a part of the Wikipedia contents system, and is a link on the contents navbar:
  • (Continued)... The list of overviews is not only an overview of Wikipedia, it lists articles which are themselves overviews (aka root topics). Far from being indescriminate, it is a one-page summary of knowledge, basically showing the top end of the taxonomy of knowledge. It has served as a major browsing tool of Wikipedia for years, so deleting it would be silly. Move this debate for moving the page to Talk:List of overviews where it belongs. The Transhumanist    18:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Regardless, as long as this page is in the mainspace, it is an indiscriminate list and a directory, a blatant violation of WP:NOT. Since previous attempts to deal with the page were unsuccessful, it's here. I really don't think it should exist (at least in the mainspace), and I really do think you should assume good faith. At the very least this will draw some attention to the issue. --Coredesat 21:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep/move per nom; though the forum shopping isn't good. I'd note that List of glossaries could be an encyclopedic list of genuinely notable glossaries (such as the National Information Assurance Glossary), as opposed to a list of WP lists by a different name. Furthermore, moving the page out of namespace would enable the navbar above to be consistent...--Nilfanion (talk) 21:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Do Not Delete. Yes, I know that's a odd vote, but deletion is not the answer here, but neither is just a straight keep. Something should be done, but AfD is not the place to try and force through a consensus! Shame on the nom. humblefool® 21:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


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