Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of eugenicists
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. --Coredesat 05:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] List of eugenicists
This "list of eugenicists" is unsourced and contains no information that wouldn't work just as well as a category (for those who self-identify or self-identified as eugenicists, at least). There is also no definition given for what a "eugenicist" is - is it someone who advocates that people with severe defects voluntarily choose not to reproduce? Is it someone who encourages the supposedly 'fit' to have more children? Or is it someone who forces involuntary sterilization on or murders people based on supposed eugenics principles? You'll find members of all three groups in this list, with no clarification as to who believed/believes what. The list even states that some of those in the list may not be eugenicists - which ones, and why are they on the list? Charlene 06:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Francis Crick? really? Charles Darwin? Why? Presumably because his cousin, Francis Galton, invented the term, does everyone who is on this list have their cousins included as well? If the term was coined by Galton in the 19th century, then do people like Plato qualify under different rules than those who actually heard of the term in their own life time? Also, the term once encompassed pretty much everything that we now call behavioural genetics and much more, do we include everyone who published in the Journal of biosocial science (formerly Eugenics review), or Annals of human genetics (formerly Annals of eugenics)? Some people consider genetic counseling to be eugenics, do we include everyone in all University Genetic Counseling departments, and all hospital genetic counseling staff? Pete.Hurd 06:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. This is actually a very poorly defined list, and hard to define. Every Victorian who considered themselves or others "well bred" could be included. Charlene articulates this well already. Good nomination. Let's drop this article. — coelacan — 07:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, already well argued there. Poorly defined list with no solid inclusion criteria. Arkyan • (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete list with far too arbitrary scope.-- danntm T C 01:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Rework I would like to rework this with somewhat more defined criteria and , probably, a division into groups; this sort of information is a good purpose for a list a compared to a category. I dont want to make a massive edit during an Afd, so I have userified it, and will edit it as a new article, though under the same title, for it probably is the best title. (btw, Plato did specifically advocate selective breeding of humans as a major theme in the Republic).DGG 06:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Just so you know for the article (if you plan on writing it), Cato the Censor also discussed breeding slaves, although I'm not sure if we know that from his writings directly (not all survived) or from Horace and others who mentioned them. --Charlene 09:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Someguy1221 20:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jdcooper 01:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete No clear definition. No supporting references. Random list of people who with no clear pattern.Glendoremus 05:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
