Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Stalinists

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The result was delete. Doc^g 01:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Stalinists

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I nominated this list for deletion nearly two years ago. Although there was no consensus to delete the list then, some of the worst entries (like Charlie Chaplin and Pablo Picasso) were removed during the process.

The fundamental problem with this list is that it consistently fails WP:V and WP:RS. Even now, when the list has only 10 entries, eight of them are completely uncited. One of these eight (Ludo Martens) is apparently still alive (according to his Wikipedia article) and might well take offense to being labeled a Stalinist.

That brings me to the second problem with this list: "Stalinist" is basically a smear word. Virtually no one self-identifies as Stalinist; most people who are described as such would call themselves Marxist-Leninists, anti-revisionists, or simply communists. We don't have any consistent criteria for who should be on this list or why. At the top of the list, it says that the article "does not include non-Soviet communists and sympathizers," which would limit it to only citizens of the former USSR. But then further down there is a specific section for "Communist party leaders in non-Communist states," which completely contradicts the opening assertion.

On the last AFD, User:TDC said that "we have List of fascists, List of people described as neoconservatives, why not this one". Well, as you can see from the above red links, we don't have those articles any more. We shouldn't have this one either. *** Crotalus *** 06:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Not a single person on this list was a die-hard Stalinist. --Blanchardb-Me^MyEars_MyMouth-timed 16:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Thanks for bringing this back. There is no methodology to determine who gets on this list, no sourcing for what makes one a Stalinist, and no reason to think it ever will get better. Xymmax 20:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to stalinism and name notable supporters of stalinism there. 96T 17:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge with stalinism as suggested by 96T, probably as a short section at the end of it. Peterkingiron 00:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. I would say the criteria for inclusion on this list are so vague that there's no way to apply them, but for that fact that I believe there are no criteria for inclusion. On the Talk page, one editor states that being identified as a Stalinist by a blogger or even a political enemy of the alleged "Stalinist" meets the criteria. --Horse Badorties (talk) 03:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.