Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Cajuns

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination Withdrawn. It has become apparent that individual nominations of each list of this type is pointless, and a consensus on what to do with the entire group of lists of this type is needed, which will result in a broader consensus with less work. I have created a discussion page at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Lists of Ethnic Americans to try and determine a policy on these type of lists. Please join the discussion there. Thank you. Leuko 15:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Portuguese Americans, relisting as individual AfD's. Precedent for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German Americans. Leuko 18:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletions. —Noroton 22:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong, speedy keep - Important aid for researchers. We only include notable individuals in these lists and they are well sourced. As with previous ethnic group nominations, this nomination, apparently done along with dozens if not hundreds of others all in a single day, is disruptive, WP:POINT, and does not enhance our encyclopedia. Editor apparently presumes that all Americans should simply be "American," and their national origin should be ignored. This attempt to inject political POV into the Wiki should be eschewed in the strongest terms. Improve, don't delete. Badagnani 01:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  • delete Use categories instead of lists.----DarkTea© 02:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. While Wikipedia may not be a compendium of lists, these listings are extraordinarily helpful with research, as those searching for individuals of a particular ethnic background can easily find specific individuals and possibly contrast with others in the article. These listings for deletion are disruptive, in my opinion. They smack of nationalism and seem to presume that Americans have no (or shouldn't have) interest in the extreme diversity of the ethnic fabric of America. ExRat 02:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
    • And a category can't do this? To me, voting "Strong Keep" on some List of _x_ Americans, while deleting others smacks of nationalism. Leuko 03:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment: These lists often (or should) be referenced with birth and death dates, occupations, etc. Categories don't do that. ExRat 04:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment - It has s already been pointed out that these lists are greatly superior in their content and usability (being on a single page, with individuals broken down by occupation, complete with footnotes and references), for ease of navigation and finding the information they are looking for, for our users. Thus, your argument holds no water, and your continued assertion that "categories are just as good as lists" in this context shows bad faith against the editors who have repeatedly pointed out that this is clearly not the case for our users who rely on having this information readily available, and not blanked by presumptuous characters such as yourself. Badagnani 04:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. I agree with ExRat and Badagnani. In addition, this mass nomination is too POINTY. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep
    • Note: Nominators only justification for this delete is the conclusion of the closing admin on the list of German Americns
    • Note: Closing admin on German Americans chose delete
      • even though wikipedians expressing keep outnumbered those expressing delete
      • even though those who expressed keep offered many long arguments, while those expressing delete were mainly "per nom" -- arguments that closing admins are authorized to discount.
    • IMO the appearance of a lack of objectivity bye the closing admin on the list of German American easily justifies submitting it for deletion review.
    • Cheers! Geo Swan 14:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
      • The deletion of that list was already taken to DRV, and had its deletion endorsed by another admin, but that's neither here nor there. Leuko 14:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
        • I re-read the closing admin's note on the German-American {{afd}}. I thought your initial nomination, based solely on precedent, was weak -- and disrespectful. After reading the closing admin's note more closely I see that part of their closing argument directly contradicts your claim of precedent.They explicitly wrote:

Previous AFDs are not helpful, as articles of this nature have been both kept and deleted, so precedent does not help us.

Candidly Geo Swan 14:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.