Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Linda Bel
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Linda Bel
Disney animator and lecturer. Doesn't appear to pass either WP:BIO or WP:PROF. Newly inserted into the list of "Notable" Alumni at Sheridan College.BLACKKITE 16:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —Lquilter (talk) 21:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. Instructor at an art college is not enough to pass WP:PROF without either significant publications or art exhibits, and she seems to have neither. Her work as an animator doesn't seem to have led to much of the public recognition that would pass WP:BIO. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep — Decent article, and a lot of animators have their articles (see for instance en:Category:Animators. I seriously doubt most of them pass WP:BIO, and WP:PROF doesn't apply in this case because she's an animator, not an academic. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 07:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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- She's also a university lecturer according to the article. But I see that you agree that she doesn't pass WP:BIO anyway. BLACKKITE 10:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- No, I did not imply that she doesn't pass WP:BIO, I just stated that most of the other animators most likely don't pass WP:BIO, which means that you have to put all those other animators up for AfD if you're going to use this as a reason against her. Please don't put words in my mouth. Seeing how many successful movies she's been involved in animating, I would say that makes her sort of notable. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 20:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Apologies. I assumed from your wording that you were including her in with these other non-notable animators. However, I have looked through the category you mention and would say that most of the people in that category are notable (there are, of course, exceptions). However per WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, the existence of other non-notable articles should not be used as a reason for keeping the non-notable. BLACKKITE 20:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, but she does have notable merits, wouldn't you say? I think that makes her slightly notable. She's certainly no superstar celebrity though. Plus, her article seems well-written. In any case, end of discussion for my part. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 22:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Apologies. I assumed from your wording that you were including her in with these other non-notable animators. However, I have looked through the category you mention and would say that most of the people in that category are notable (there are, of course, exceptions). However per WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, the existence of other non-notable articles should not be used as a reason for keeping the non-notable. BLACKKITE 20:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- No, I did not imply that she doesn't pass WP:BIO, I just stated that most of the other animators most likely don't pass WP:BIO, which means that you have to put all those other animators up for AfD if you're going to use this as a reason against her. Please don't put words in my mouth. Seeing how many successful movies she's been involved in animating, I would say that makes her sort of notable. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 20:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- She's also a university lecturer according to the article. But I see that you agree that she doesn't pass WP:BIO anyway. BLACKKITE 10:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment—I added two references. The Sight and Sound review of Madagascar notes her in their select film credits. The Take 1 article is not about her in any depth, but it mentions her twice, noting that she worked for Industrial Light and Magic, and describing how American animation studios recruited a small group of Canadian animators, including her, to work for them because the work was with software that had first been developed in Canada. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 23:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY talk contribs 03:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I copied this from my talk page this morning = I cannot of course confirm that the author is who they claim to be.
- hello:
- I'm reading the discussion regarding the notability of an article.
- Concerning "Linda Bel" and her wikipedia credits on Shrek, Shrek2 and Madagascar. I am the Head of Character Animation on "Madagascar" and "Madagascar: The Crate Escape" and I can testify that Linda was not credited as "Lead Animator" on any of the three PDI/DreamWorks films listed. Her credits should read "Animator" as she has not had any supervisorial role on the three films.
- Yours,
- Rex Grignon
- Head of Character Animation
- PDI/DreamWorks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rgrignon (talk • contribs) 02:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Black Kite 07:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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- Comment—I added the citation to the Sight and Sound review and it is true that it does not say "lead". --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 15:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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- At this point, with no additional third-party sources appearing, I will say delete since the references are I added are not quite sufficient to establish notability, in my view. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 16:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
