Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lilia Zaiarna

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The result was no consensus, possibility leaning towards keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 03:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lilia Zaiarna

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• Delete. Notability not established from any independent source. Only citation is a reference to a teaching position in a college. WWGB (talk) 06:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. The reference in the article shows that she has won international and national awards, as well as performing internationally, which seems to meet WP:MUSIC. Improved referencing is necessary, but non-English references relating to her early career might not be easily visible via Google. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment. The reference is her workplace website, the entry possibly written by herself. Hardly "independent". WWGB (talk) 23:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —Espresso Addict (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. I'm also worried by the fact that this article was created just three days before a bunch of new accounts turned up and changed it with unsourced reports of her alleged death. Add to this that the original material was mostly copied verbatim from her webpage and thus a copyvio; that the wording is blatantly POV; that the achievements in her career are really not that extraordinary for a pianist; and that there is no independent coverage (if she really died, and was notable, shouldn't there be published obituaries? Is there no discography?) - It's all fishy. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep this source is not a job posting about a teaching position at a college, nor is it the subject's personal webpage. It is the subject's official biography at the college where she works. The college presumably stands behind this biography. Now perhaps not a truly independent source, but it certainly provides context for notability that could be verified by a person who is competent in the languages of the countries listed and who has access to reference resources from those countries. Examples of this context are: first prizes in the International piano competition in Prague as well as the Ukrainian Competition in composition. JERRY ^talk _contribs 06:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Weak delete Two relatively less important prizes; no recordings; no major US performances; "performs as a soloist and an accompanist in Miami. " teaching position at minor conservatory/high school; collaborated with famous musicians but not one herself. DGG (talk) 07:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Doesn't seem to meet notability for musicians. --Dawn bard (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Please re-read item number 9: "Has won or placed in a major music competition." - International ”Carl Czerny” Piano Competition, and performance in Moscow [1]. JERRY ^talk _contribs 01:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC) JERRY ^talk _contribs 00:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The given reference [2] merely proves she can play the piano. Where is the evidence of notability? WWGB (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

hmmmmmm.... it says that while a US resident, she was chosen to play second piano at a performance in Moscow (Russia). That's saying a bit more than your cousin Jenny sometimes plays chopsticks on her Barbie piano. JERRY ^talk _contribs 02:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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