Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liberation Army of Chameria

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 15:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Liberation Army of Chameria

Liberation Army of Chameria (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Reason: Not realiable sources and created for propaganda purpose Noah30 17:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. As far as I can tell, they do exist. Nikola 06:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: I don't think they exist. --Noah30 06:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep contrary to Noah's claims it is sourced. It is also necessary now considering the recent hubbub in Greece over the release of that threatening video of theirs.--Ploutarchos 13:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: Is this notable??? I mean they haven't really done anything, apart from publishing a couple of videos... --Michalis Famelis (talk) 02:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: Per above Kapnisma 13:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep [see merge proposal to Chameria below] The article is regrettably indeed sourced. I wouldn't mind if it were merged somewhere applicable, and I am open for proposals. The redirect should stay, of course. NikoSilver 20:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 13:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: This non-notable group only scores 22 hits on the Greek Google. Any purported hubbub on any threatening videos seems to have gone largely unnoticed.  RGTraynor  14:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Sure theyve published some videos but are the notable? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 14:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Actually it scores 122 hits in Greek ([1]), including the Hellenic Institute of Strategic Studies, the newspaper Rizospastis, the Macedonian Press Agency (quoting Ali Ahmeti and the 2001 FA minister of Greece), and the current MFA who questions the authenticity of the sources on a press briefing for the issue. Traditional nationalist sites in Greece are concerned, for example antibaro and e-grammes. I don't know if this is a whole lot of fuss for nothing, but it looks notable to me. Only, I can't really say if this kind of notability warrants a separate article, that's why I proposed the information to be merged where applicable. I am still open for proposals on that by the authors. NikoSilver 14:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • And since I don't see any proposals coming, may I introduce to you the article called Chameria. I think this is the perfect place for whatever salvageable info to be merged. NikoSilver 14:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, but under the condition ( Finally! After 2 edit conflicts with Nikos [each time offering to me further feedback!] by the way these 22 hits in Google are indeed wrong - they are more than 120 [Απελευθερωτικός Στρατός Τσαμουριάς] and the score in the English wikipedia is also very good) that somebody is willing to undertake the task to update (and subsequently upgrade) the article. Most reports about this (existing?) organization come from 2001. What happens then? How did these videos emerge? How are they evaluated? What happens between 2001-2007? The notability of the group should also get clear. Was the Greek cabinet indeed worried about this group in 2001? What were the reactions of Albania and FYROM about these videos? These are things that should be fixed. Now, if these improvements do not come, I support Nikos' proposal.--Yannismarou 14:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Glad I edit-conflicted you [sic] then! NikoSilver 14:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • keep as an example for how such articles should be sourced, &, I hope , written --assuming such improvement takes place.DGG 06:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletions. earlier--   ⇒ bsnowball  12:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  12:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Few videos on YouTube don't make an army. Pavel Vozenilek 17:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep; RS have been found. John Vandenberg 09:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.