Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liberal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete as a copyvio. JoshuaZ 03:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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Neutrality is in debate. Should redirect to Liberalism. Mac OS X 20:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Note: Nomination appears to have been withdrawn judging from comments at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Dekimasuよ! 02:40, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• No wonder; the text is from Conservapedia. The article is a POV fork. Delete and redirect to Liberal (disambiguation). --Alksub 20:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• I hunted through the history to see if this replaced a better version. Apparently not. delete and redirect per Alksub. Artw 21:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • It appears to have been blanked and redirected for now, which seems appropriate, however I htink we should go ahead and delete the history and talk anyhow. Artw 21:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Liberalism I see no reason for deletion of the history. CO 22:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, in light of Alksub's discovery, I figured the stolen material should be removed imediately, so I redirected it to "Liberal (disambiguation)" instead of "Liberalism" because I wasn't aware of the former page at the time I suggested redirection. I originally suggested "Liberalism" as per "Conservative" redirecting to "Conservativism," but I think "Liberal (disambiguation)" is better. In fact, I think we can move "Liberal (disambiguation)" to "Liberal," But that's another discussion, sort of. Mac OS X 22:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep npov is a reason for a rewrite, not cause for deletion or redirection. This is a more in depth article compared to the conceptual article at Liberalism, if you disagree with the sourced claims made feel free to change them, but don't delete a page just because you disagree with its content Conservativechuck 00:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore some editors should read the notice that they place on a page before blindly redirecting,it clearly states "but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed". Redirecting does both of those —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conservativechuck (talk • contribs) 00:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• • • I checked the history, and you're the one who stole the information from Conservapedia in the first place. To keep the article would require fresh new, unstolen and unbiased information. If you think you're capable of anything original and unbiased, feel free to re-create the article so I can put the AfD on top of it again. Otherwise, it's remaining a redirect. Mac OS X 00:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

You have chosen to take the article to AfD. The notice on top clearly states that the article is not to be blanked or the notice removed until the end of the AfD. You persisting in recreating the redirect violates both of those guidelines. The information is not stolen as rights are retained on the conservapedia project and it is available in the public domain, there is no policy against copying copyright free information, that is what jump started this project in the first place. You have no reason to keep recreating the redirect, so please stop doing so. Conservativechuck 02:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• • I'd add to that Conservapedia material simply isn' very good. That it has a particular POV is a given, but in addition to that it's overly focused on a specific and somewhat American-centric usage of the term, which - as you can see from the disambig page - has a whole bunch of meaning. I'd argue that the disambig page should replace this page in the "Liberal" namespace, and political liberalism of the kind refered to in the current "Liberal" page should be dealt with under the existing liberalism article. Possibly some of the points from this article should be made there and you might want to have a look at that, but I;m guessing it's a project unlikely tobear much fruit. Artw 01:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Move the Liberal disambiguation page to here given that there are many notable things called Liberal. 02:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capitalistroadster (talk • contribs)
  • I just went ahead and requested just that. Hopefully an admin will get there soon and fix this once and for all. Mac OS X 02:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.