Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lian Xing

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Lian Xing; redirect Elsa Weissenger to Syphon Filter (series). The former seems to be a major character; but the lack of references is problematic. The latter is not notable or verifiable. If a characters list is created in the future the information on both characters can be placed there.Cúchullain t/c 06:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lian Xing

Lian Xing (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Not a notable video game characters. They are just random secondary (support) characters from the game. 650l2520 19:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related page for the same reason:

Elsa Weissenger (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  • Comment If my memory serves me correct, Lian as far as the Syphon Filter storyline goes, is notable as a second lead character, not a random secondary support one as the nomination states. I myself wouldn't lose sleep though if this article were deleted, as the zenith of the Syphon Filter has long since happened (though that may change with a new SF game due this September), and all of the other affiliated Syphon Filter pages are prime candidates for deletion/merging/cleanup. On this particular article, I have no vote. 68.186.51.190 23:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KrakatoaKatie 08:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


  • Keep/Merge - I've never played Syphon Filter, but I'm voting to keep both articles and merge them with the Syphon Filter article, or even create a Syphon Filter Portal. There's enough games in the series to consider it a universe, and Lian Xing seems to have been included in many of the games. As far as Elsa is concerned, if a Syphon Filter Portal is created, she should be included. She may be a minor character, but minor characters have been included in other entries... such as the list of Minor characters of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Now comes the slightly-biased part... according to Elsa's entry, she appears to be a lesbian(ish) character in a video game. I think that it's important to keep her entry due to low representation of LGBT characters within video games, and also link her with the LGBT Portal. --Rich 08:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 10:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete no sources to establish real world notability. Jay32183 00:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment - If we deleted everything that didn't have sources to establish real world notability, then there wouldn't be much of Wikipedia left...  :) Wouldn't requesting for citation fix that? Rich 07:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Requesting a citation is not a solution for anything. The articles fail the notability requirement. The choices are "get sources" or "delete". "Keep and hope there are sources" is not acceptable. Jay32183 03:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - They are both notable characters in their own right --SGCommand (talk • contribs) 11:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Per WP:N they would need "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" to be considered "notable". Neither of the articles are making that claim. 650l2520 21:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep (or merge as a weak second choice) major character in a major series. The core games have published strategy guides which could be used as sources. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
    • We aren't looking for sources to say the character exists. We need sources about the creation of the character and the reaction to the character. Jay32183 23:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This isn't a minor character. Syphon Filter is a notable (and not just in the wiki sense of the word) game series, and she's been one one of the central characters in all of the games, and a playable character in the majority of them. Although I endorse merging most of the rest of the character pages for minor villains and support characters. Ubersuntzu 22:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
    • None of that matters if there aren't reliable sources to provide real world context. Jay32183 23:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.