Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leonid Savin (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --JForget 23:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leonid Savin

Leonid Savin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

(Still) not noticable Eiland (talk) 14:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete per CSD G4, recreated material previously deleted after afd discussion. There's no information about activity since the last afd. No reason to have an annual afd discussion. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• abstain. I can't guage his notability in Ukraine. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete If it is in fact a duplicate of deleted material (not an admin so no way for me to compare). Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: It's been G4 tagged. WilliamH (talk) 16:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I was going to mention that it had already been tagged but, I didn't really look at who tagged it or knew of a way to verify whether it had actually been done by someone that had both copies for comparison purposes. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy declined, it was not the same article. This one is improved, with references. No comment yet on notability. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

How true! Savin has gone on the run from the Ukraine, sneaking back into to desecrate a monument to the Ukrainian nation on Mt Hoverla. (The incident had already been added to that page). This was big news in the Ukraine, even if certain environmentalists are embarrassed about how easily he infiltrated their organisations. It is a shame that rather than learning from their experience, they go into denial - even to the extent of trying to have the interesting page about him deleted.Harrypotter (talk) 00:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - Thanks for the heads up on this. Aside from my own ideas about how important it is for us to be aware of the developemnts and leadership of nationalist and racist movements - his latest actions as leader of the Eurasian Youth Movement have generated a variety of secondary source material which is independent of each other and Savin, eg
• http://www.fsumonitor.com/stories/102607BM.shtml
• http://action-ukraine-report.blogspot.com/2007/10/aur884-oct-28-memory-is-fate-of-proud.html
• http://www.khpg.org.ua/en/index.php?id=1193162601

which is notability according to Wikipedia's guidelines on notability of people. Paki.tv (talk) 07:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete His notablity is marginal at best. He is not the leader of the movement and only is one of the members. He was charged with public mischief for vandalism along with 2 other accomplices and is not being singled out as someone special. My fear is that this undue attention to petty criminal makes him out to be more important than he really is. His achievements are next to non-existant: a cleaner and a journalist. He is not featured prominently even in Ukraine, where he is charged with mischief for vandalism. The improvement over the last deleted version is very insignificant and does not change his notability per WP guidelines.--Hillock65 (talk) 12:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

He is a leader according to their own website, which is linked on the page, where it says quite clearly under a picture of him : Начальник Сумской Сетевой Ставки ЕСМ Леонид Савин Paki.tv (talk) 14:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It says he is the leader of regional Sumy chapter of a very marginal organization in Ukraine. One of many chapters. Why all of a sudden he is more prominent than, say Crimea or Kharkiv chapter leaders or the other two accomlices in the vandalism case? Are we planning to write articles on them as well? At least that will prove why an absolutely insignificant person is being elevated to someone deserving mentioning in an encyclopedia. --Hillock65 (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not arguing his leadership makes him notable - it is you that are claiming that he is just a rank and file member rather than someone in a position of authority with in the organisation - what i am arguing is that his position combined with a variety of secondary independent sources on his activities are what make him notable - as per wikipedia guidelines. Paki.tv (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• delete he's just a petty vandal. Per WP:NOTE. Ostap 15:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. —brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delete petty vandal who has been charged with public mischief, as have countless other people who also fail to meet WP:BIO standards. JBsupreme (talk) 08:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.