Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leiner

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was: Deleteme42's offer has been met, and B.Wind's reasoning has likewise become invalid, so consensus is to keep. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 13:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leiner

notability unclear, not linked by any Wikipedia article Deleteme42 21:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - two sentences do not a Wikipedia article make. Makes no real attempt at notability. B.Wind 07:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Man, did you research these at ALL? According to the Canadian government, they're "the world's largest manufacturer of vitamin, nutritional and herbal supplements".[1]. They have products placed in more than 50,000 US locations, including most WalMarts and CostCos.[2] -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 16:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Your statement regarding your first link is wrong, All of the information in the database has been provided by the companies themselves and listing here does not constitute an endorsement by the Government of Canada. [3]. Deleteme42 16:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Well, then, please feel free to not add it to the article, or go find another source. They're still an enormous company, they still meet WP:CORP, and they still belong here. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Which part of WP:CORP do they meet? At least none of the links you provided seems to support this claim. Deleteme42 17:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• C1, "multiple non-trivial published works", from what I can tell. A few examples: coverage of one recent deal, huge accident at one of their plants, 23rd-largest private company in Los Angeles, $600M in annual revenue, top American manufacturer of nutritional supplements as of 1997, top US manufacturer of nutritional herbs, etc. I only went about halfway through the queue at findarticles.com for those, and I didn't even hit the NYT archive or anything like that, so there's probably more out there, if you don't think that's enough. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 19:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• There are also a bunch of government actions, including two major product recalls for not using child-safe packaging[4][5], and a FTC complaint about deceptive labeling practices on "made in the USA" text[6]. This gov't news archive links to an off-line newspaper story about their involvement in a "first of its kind" lawsuit related to manufacturers' culpability in methamphetamine production from over-the-counter pseudoephedrine, and their subsequent decision to shift to phenylephrine received even more coverage like this article from USA Today. There's a LOT to work with here. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 19:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• You add one or two sentences regarding the notability to the article and I'll withdraw the AfD. Is this a deal? ;-) Deleteme42 19:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Works for me. I probably won't be able to do a good job of it until Saturday, though, so I ask that we not have an early close before then. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 20:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Many times these AfDs can be taken care of by simply adding details into the articles themselves. My objection was not of WP:CORP, but of whether the so-called stub said anything at all. Many times authors make matters worse by fighting the suggestions of the other editors rather than working with them. I look forward to this "deal" working out. B.Wind 03:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Hit Bull. As rewritten it's a decent article. --Chaser T 13:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.