Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leejay Abucayan

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Singularity 23:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leejay Abucayan

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This is a self-promotional, vanity entry by a teenage rapper without any verifiable national, state, or local notability whatsoever. The article was previously tagged by other editors as having notability issues and being completely devoid of supporting references of any kind. The article, which was created by a Single Purpose Account, is in fact nothing more than a cut-and-paste of the teenager's MySpace page, as can be seen here[1]. Overall, the article dismally fails WP:MUSIC. The guy has never had a record deal of any kind and does not make a living through music. According to his website, he still lives at home with his parents. We can't have every teenage rapper/beatboxer repasting vanity MySpace pages here and calling them encyclopedia articles. With too many of these young musical kids who repost their MySpace pages to Wikipedia, the "encyclopedia articles" are still up long after the "musicians" have had to abandon music to grow up and get real jobs, unrelated to the music field. The earlier editors who tagged the problems with this one were right. Leesome (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


  • delete crappy vanity article copy n pastes off myspace XCharltonTilliDieX (talk) 23:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as a far cry from WP:N, and notwithstanding the COI drama. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 02:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. This is a commentary on the long statement below by the article's subject. I'm going to try to say this with as much sensitivity and respect as possible. I sincerely believe that it is the personal responsibility of every human being to live with as much integrity as possible. Certainly, Mr. Leejay has the right and opportunity to complain about all of the deletion votes, as he does below. Unfortunately, I don't think he advances his cause, however. Sometimes in life, the best thing to do is not to complain. I wish that this counsel had been followed in this matter, for now I must come to the difficult part of the post. The point I wish I didn't have to make. Mr. Leejay, sir, you say that you are not the author of the article in question. And yet, these are the facts: The article is a word-for-word cut-and-paste of your own personal MySpace page. I want to make clear that I am not calling you a liar, sir, as the article may have been nothing more than a misguided copyright violation on the part of a third party, a friend or a family member or someone else. However, it is important to remember that by becoming so defensive, you may have called your statements into question. I am going to assume the best of faith, however, and suggest that this article was simply a copyvio and is therefore deletable on that score. Thank you. Leesome (talk) 03:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Leejay here. This "article for deletion" post was strangely brought to the attention by my mother, who randomly received an email with this link. First of all, whoever emailed my mother, I have no idea how he/she got her email address.

"You're going to wish you never started this business. You can argue if you want to, but you're going to wish you never started this stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Leejay_Abucayan#Leejay_Abucayan"

Secondly, let it be known that I did NOT create this page myself -- it was created by a fan. For anyone that is upset with "crappy vanity articles copied off Myspaces," perhaps Wikipedia itself should crack down more on posts that are being published. Whoever posted this seems pretty bitter towards these "vanity" pages of "teenage" musicians, however, keep in mind that I took no part in the creation of my Wikipedia page -- it was in the hands of a fan.

...and just for the record:
-I started as a teenager, but I am currently 21 years old
-Beatboxers are not the same as rappers -- get your facts straight
-I'm on an independent label called "The Luna Co."
-I am, in fact, "grown up" and working three "real jobs," and I've never "abandoned music"

Maybe if that's not enough...
http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/Content?oid=oid:16144
http://www.sacmag.com/media/Sacramento-Magazine/Best-of-Sacramento/2006-Editors-Picks/index.php?cp=2&si=1
http://www.beatboxbattle.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=9
http://www.humanbeatbox.com/beatboxer_interviews/p2_articleid/142
http://www.philippinefiesta.net/old/leejay.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO7nvsf1n08
http://www.leejaybeats.com/video_gooddaysac.html
http://www.leejaybeats.com/video_studentscholar.html

Are these good enough as references?

Delete the Wikipedia page if you must. I didn't create it. --Leejaybeats (talk) 02:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete For not meeting the guideline set in WP:MUSIC. That said, the nom was a little more harsh than really necessary. Bfigura (talk) 03:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 (T / C) 08:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete fails WP:MUSIC and the sources given above by the subject are not reliable Doc StrangeMailbox Orbitting Black HoleStrange Frequencies 15:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - Certainly does read like WP:VANITY, but I'm reluctant to make the allegation. However, what's relevant is this :[2] - Completely non-notable, both WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. Wisdom89 (T / C) 16:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. I agree with the editor above who pointed out that none of the "sources" provided by Leejay Abucayan are reliable for establishing his "notability." Most of the material in the sources is self-generated. What little third-party material he has provided fails the standard. Look at the "article" about him in Sacramento Magazine--it's not an article at all, it's just a short blurb, and it shares the page with short blurbs about a hair salon and a car-repair shop!! Obviously, we're not going to have articles here about hair salons and car-repair places. That's NOT what personal notability is about, and that's not what an encyclopedia is about. Mr. Abucayan, please read WP:RELIABLE so that you will understand what kind of sources you need to provide to us. Leesome (talk) 16:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - Just delete the page already. I'm not arguing with anyone. I've said countless times... this was a fan-created Wikipedia page. I never asked him to create it. I never even intended to have one made. A fan copied-and-pasted my bio onto a Wikipedia page without my knowledge. When I discovered its creation, I figured no one was going to look at it anyway, but it turns out, it has caused quite a stir, to English professors and general Internet browsers alike. If I wanted a Wikipedia page, I would have made one for myself a long time ago. "Leesome" -- I don't know if you're trying to prove anything to me, or get back at me (or my family) for anything, but if it makes you happy, have my page deleted already. What came off as my own defense to keep the Wikipedia page was simply a rebuttal to what seemed like harsh personal jabs at my career/hobby. For the last time, I didn't create it. If I'm not "notable" enough for Wikipedia, have it removed -- I'm not even fighting to keep it up. You've got my vote for deletion. Everyone wins. --Leejaybeats (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Personal attacks are not allowed on the project. Yours have been removed. Please see WP:ATTACK. Thank you. Leesome (talk) 10:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Sadly fails WP:Notability--Sharkface217 02:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete for failing WP:Notability. Wish the lad luck, hope he can establish notability and have an article some time in the future. - House of Scandal (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


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