Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Towers

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Fram 09:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lee Towers

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Proposed for speedy deletion; articles at nl and de seem to indicate notability. Needs sources to be kept, however. Neutral nomination. Chick Bowen 22:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete as non-notable and unsourced. CRGreathouse (t | c) 00:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I found some articles about him in the Dutch paper De Telegraaf [1], [2], [3]. As far as I can make out he took part in a reality show (maybe as a celebrity trying to revitalise his career?). Here's a discography showing that he has been releasing records since the 1970s. He's mentioned here in The Register as "a well-known Dutch Frank Sinatra impersonator". Bláthnaid 21:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
If they list him as a Frank Sinatra impersonator, they're wrong. One of his nicknames is "the Dutch Frank Sinatra" though, because they have a similar voice and a similar personal background. But he's not an impersonator. AecisBrievenbus 00:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah, enlightenment! Thanks Aecis. Bláthnaid 12:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I'm sorry, I don't see any indication of meeting WP:BIO or WP:Music. Nothing helpful at Allmusic. In fact, I see no assertion of notability in the article. Perhaps there is info in the other articles that needs to be brought over. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 11:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The best information I can find on him in English is from his own website [4] [5]. There is enough there to make him notable eg he was given the Order of the Dutch Lion. There are more than 130 Dutch Google News hits for "lee towers", so I'll try and decipher some to provide RS. Bláthnaid 19:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Article now has 4 reliable sources, and there are much more available. He's much more famous than I initially thought, he's had chart hits since the 1970s and there are many newspaper articles from last year that are just about an illness he had. Bláthnaid 09:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Soft Delete* (with an asterisk) Not being from the Netherlands I’ve never heard him, or of him. Can someone who knows more please weigh in? The only one from Holland I can think of is Goldmember. Lee Towere may be a Dutch Elvis. I don't know. Tiptopper 12:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • keep. Can someone put a tag that english language source are needed? Mukadderat 23:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Changed vote: strong keep. Both article authors and the voters are very lazy. There are reliable english sources which show that Towers has a very significan discography: [6] Mukadderat 23:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletions. —User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Very strong keep. Lee Towers is very notable, and has been notable for the past thirty years. From charting songs to television appearances to important gigs to press coverage to gold and platinum albums to awards (the Edison Award, for instance) to a knighthood in both the Order of Orange-Nassau and the Order of the Dutch Lion. Lee Towers meets just about every point in WP:MUSIC. Yes, the article needs cleanup, but the subject is very, very notable. AecisBrievenbus 00:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep One of the most well-known Dutch singers. Arnoutf 06:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep It semms clear that he has enough of a demonstrable track record to count as notable. HeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 13:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, ridiculous nomination, please do some research beforehand. Lee Towers is a very notable singer in the Netherlands, and yes, he does meet the letter of WP:MUSIC#C2 (see nl:Lee Towers#Songs, he's had multiple Top 10 hits). Melsaran (talk) 14:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Question Does having an article on the Dutch Wikipedia automatically carry him over for the English Wikipedia? Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 19:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Not automatically, for two reasons. Firstly because the consensus on the notability criteria may vary from Wikipedia to Wikipedia (Kenji Nagai for instance has been deemed notable enough for the English language Wikipedia, but is up for deletion on the German language Wikipedia for non-notability), and secondly because there's always the possibility that the article shouldn't actually be on a specific Wikipedia but may have gone unnoticed. AecisBrievenbus 19:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.