Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Latin and Ballroom Dance Association

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Close as requested; the current redirect will be deleted. Waggers (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Latin and Ballroom Dance Association

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Local association has 32 Google hits. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 10:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, local dance club with no claim to or evidence of notability--Jac16888 (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Article makes no claims of notability, no sources listed. TN‑X-Man 14:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - and it's a shame too, as the article is halfway decently written. The author just forgot step 1 to creating a Wikipedia article: Make sure your topic is notable. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC) Changing rationale, it's still a delete, see below. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 12:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for seeing the potential in this article. I'm spending a lot of time at home trying to write good copy. New articles, especially written by newbies like me, take time to develop. I read in the wiki instructions that often times new articles usually start off really bad but it doesn't warrant the need for deletion. Sambahips (talk) 10:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Non-notable local organisation Kafka Liz (talk) 09:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• KEEP - Hi everyone, I'm the primary author as well as a newbie to the wiki system. The comments made above are very valid as this article speaks a need for notability. I intend to add references where needed to raise the credibility of the article. I am currently working with the Association's staff, who are overhauling their content management system. As such, they have some very important publications that would substantiate this wiki article. I am given access to these online publications and a permanenet link will be provided at the conclusion of this IT overhaul. I shun when Jac16888 called this Association a "local dance club", since this Association has a professional staff, annual activities and a donor base. This is not some frat or hobby, but is driven by a core staff with strong passion for this sport. I urge you to visit the BYU_Ballroom_Dance_Company page, we are very similar to this program. Thanks for all your comments. Sambahips (talk) 10:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Also, please bear with me as I'm trying to figure out how to add references to wiki articles. The syntax is very confusing and I'm still slowly learning how to use the system. Sambahips (talk) 10:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, the fact that you say you are working with the associations staff gives you a pretty major conflict of interest, you shouldn't even be involved in this article, nor should they. Second, having professional staff, annual events and regulars doesn't make an organistaion notable, they need to be given coverage in independent 3rd party sources, which show notability. As for the BYU Ballroom Dance Company, it shows masses of notability. Its over 50 years old, has toured all over the world, competed at an international level, won a lot of awards, and all of this is sourced.--Jac16888 (talk) 11:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Let it be known, that my allegiance is to the advance of this sport as an olympic sport, its only a recognized sport, not a medal sport as of yet. I am showing interest in this Association because I believe they have what it takes to become a strong organization overtime, dedicated towards developing strong competitors. "Working" with the association means I initiated communication with them regarding the whereabouts of their publications and why their website has been down all of a sudden in the past three weeks. Their website contains their competition results and the awards they've won and where they've toured in the United States. Also, FYI, this association competed against BYU dancers and placed higher in several different categories, yet this association is only a few years young vs BYU's 50 year program as you mentioned; all this is sourced. This is not some monkey-club but a strong program that has proven itself. Sambahips (talk) 12:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete [replace striken comment above] without prejudice for a disinterested third party who does not have a conflict of interest to recreate an improved article per Sambaship's comments. When User:Sambahips has a well-referenced article ready for publication, he should create it as User:Sambahips/Latin and Ballroom Dance Association and post a comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance as described in Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. Let someone from that project actually create the article. If nobody from that project replies to his request within a week, I'll take a look at it. However, if the references are paper-based, hosted on a non-third-party source, or hosted on a blog, fan-site, or other unreliable source, it is very unlikely any editor will approve the article. The same goes if the references are mere lists, such as a newspaper that lists all meetings and classes in its local community. Oh, Sambahips, you should put a note on your user page clearly outlining your conflict of interest per Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 12:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• Update - if you are not working for them, but have only asked them for information, then you may not have a conflict of interest overall. Still, I would recommend drafting the article as a sub-page of your user page, then, after it is well-referenced and its notability will not be questioned, WP:MOVE it to the main article space. You should also ask the people at WikiProject Dance to comment on it before you make the move. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 12:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Davidwr, I think that is a reasonable suggestion about moving the article under my userpage until more sources can be found. The article is no where near being finished and there are more information that would lead to greater credibility, including third party sources from trustworthy sites. Now I just need to figure out how to move a page. Thanks. Sambahips (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• Since Samba has moved the page to his userspace, can someone delete Latin and Ballroom Dance Association, since it now innappropriately redirects to userspace. --Jac16888 (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

DON'T DO THAT until the close of the AfD. See below. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes but the afd is now past 5 days, it can be deleted--Jac16888 (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

If an admin reads this, he can close the AfD and a minute later delete what's left in mainspace. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 15:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

• SPEEDY CLOSE as "voluntarily userfied." I have removed the AfD tag from the Userfied version and replaced the remaining redirect with an explanation of what is going on. I also restored the AfD tag to the mainspace pseudo-article. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.