Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Last Man STanding coop

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete after discounting the anonymous users. However, I wouldn't object to seeing this rewritten at the correct capitalization and properly referenced (hint, hint). howcheng {chat} 19:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Last Man STanding coop

This afd nomination was incomplete. The nominator's reasoning was non-notable Doom 3 user mod. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 15:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

• Abstain - I don't know enough about it to comment. But come on, what's with the capitalisation? Should at min be renamed to Last Man Standing (Doom mod) or something a bit more coherent. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 16:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 16:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Actually, I think it's quite a notable user mod. It's one of the rare Doom 3 mods that actually live and grow a community, making it one of the most popular Doom 3 mods, I'd say. Although I do agree with Zordrac's proposition to rename it to Last Man Standing (Doom mod), that's all I'd like to see regarding its status. --70.25.168.90 00:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete appears to be advλertising when article states "We also fully support Single Player Cooperative play through the "SP Coop" gametype".--MONGO 09:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. --70.25.168.90 19:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC) P.S. Am I allowed to insert another "Keep" under the new comments?

• Keep. The goal of Wikipedia is to provide a wide range of information. There is no reason for it to be deleted, though the title could be, as already stated, fixed to read "Last Man Standing Coop". Also, the stated text in the article is quoted from the main page of the site on the external links. It should simply be placed in quotation marks or the context should be changed in accordance. [24.250.130.111; 14:05 19/12/05]

• Keep. As previously stated, Last Man Standing Coop is a very notable Doom 3 user mod. The simple fact that it contributes cooperative multiplayer to the Doom 3 game makes it one of the most popular mods as per Doom 3 Files number of downloads. However, the article should indeed be fixed to read "Last Man Standing Coop". MercyKiller
  • What makes this mod notable? What kind of player base are we talking about? What percentage of Doom3 servers are using this mod at any given time? Can you prove it? Empirically? Statistically? Wikipedia is not to provide a "wide range of information", it's to provide a wide range of notable information, the sort of thing a luddite who's never heard of Doom3 needs to know about it. What makes your mod that special? You tell us. But Wikipedia policy is "non-notable until proven otherwise." Marblespire 04:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, considering several people have come to the developers and stated that LMS is the reason they bothered to buy Doom 3 after hearing that the game was less than stellar, it's certainly notable to the uninitiated as well. See below for several statistics substantiating the mod's value in other ways. --MercyKiller
• Keep. As can be seen on the about page on the website the modification has been featured in well over a dozen magazines, won awards and been featured in many interviews. Not many modifications in any community can boast that many magazine mentions. Also, no other game or modification offers cooperative support for the Doom 3 Expansion pack ROE, not even the XBox version provides this. Last Man Standing is quite unique in this aspect. The vast community for the modification can be seen by it's large array of forum posts and irc users. Also check on Moddb as Last Man Standing Coop is consistently in the top 10 modifications of well over 2000. This definitely shows that it has quite a community and is popular. --calimer
• Delete NaconKantari 04:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. In terms of servers that actually have people on them, it's a good 1/8th at least of the players. I'd say that LMS has the biggest playerbase of all the multiplayer mods in Doom 3, though admittedly there are not many multiplayer mods. The article itself needs serious NPOVifying. I'll try to see to that. (Oh, yeah, and I support moving the article as Zordrac suggests.) Note: I am part of the LMS community. --Iten 04:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. "What makes this mod notable?" - simple... Google "Doom 3 coop" and LMS is the first thing that comes up. Anyone wanting to know about Doom 3 cooperative gameplay should be able to find out about this. I agree with Zordrac's proposition to rename it though --Dr. Jones 07:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Arguably one of the most popular Doom 3 mods right now, though it could use some touching up to read less like a press release. ShadowMan1od 22:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. After a rename, I would be for keeping it User:kormoc (Improperly signed edit by 24.19.148.45 --70.25.168.90)
• Keep. (Since nobody answered my previous P.S.) I would like to keep the article for reasons stated above. But for some more Google backup, I just googled "Last Man Standing" and found that LMS Coop is actually the 3rd result (only behind a couple of pages from the popular BBC NEWS site and IMDb). When I googled "Last Man Standing Coop", I found nearly 25,000 results. --70.25.168.90 23:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. This should be kept, it is a must have, if "TFC" and "Red Orchestra Mod" can stay, why not LMS? Why should there even be a discussion on whether or not to delete this.. HOGWASH! (- TriKster Abacus) I also think this should be kept.. hell look at these mods: "Desert Combat (BF1942 mod)", "Enemy Territory mod ETF", "Rocket Aren Mod - Quake 3", "Alien Swarm - UT2K4 mod", and OMG "A WHOLE FREAKIN LIST OF HL mods!"... cmon wikipedia... give LMS a break! /sigh. (Improperly signed edit by 67.11.219.149 --70.25.168.90)
• Delete and kill the socks.  Grue  17:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a compendium of computer games and modifications to them. Only the most notable examples of these genres have a place in an encyclopedia. Worse, next year, this will be gone and forgotten ephemera. --Tysto 23:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Certainly this has a place in wikipedia. Significant games are oft defined by a particular mod in the eyes of fans. Counter-Strike for Half-Life, CTF for Quake, and LMS for Doom 3. Mods like these never die. In fact, this mod is probably the most notable Doom 3 mod, period. (Improperly signed edit by 69.154.188.11 --Iten 22:41, 24 December 2005 (UTC))

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.