Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Hama

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. Owen× ☎ 17:26, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Larry_Hama

Hama is a noted comic-book professional and should be included in Wiki. However, even after my deletion of a "Legacy" section filled with such self-aggrandizing and evidently self-written hype as

The significance of Larry Hama's work has yet to be fully recognized by his generation ... for the role it played in the molding of the generations to follow.

this clearly autobiographical piece of work by the living author violates Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Autobiography, and Wikipedia:No original research.

It is also a huge article, and without citations as to what is established fact and what is original research, it would be difficult if not impossible to fix. Read it for yourself. Go back to the History page, and read the Legacy section for yourself.

I strongly suggest it be deleted and that someone in Wikiproject:Comics write an objective entry. Tenebrae 14:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and clean up... no need to delete it. PJM 14:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Deletion isn't the solution to this situation. It's for articles that shouldn't exist, not those that need fixing (or even a complete rewrite if that were necessary). The subject is notable and an appropriate topic for an article, and the solution to problems with the content of the article lie in the Dispute Resolution realm. Tverbeek 14:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. Obviously notable. Monicasdude 15:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. As above. I'm not sure I even agree that this article needs a clean-up tag.Coyote-37 15:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This entry is not autobiographical. In fact, I had to add the sentence about Hama's Broadway role in a Sondheim production, since the original author was apparently unaware of this! Pepso 18:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean up (if still necessary) as above. 23skidoo 19:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It does need some rearranging, to give more prominence to his comic book work, but I fail to see why it was nominated in the first place. Hama is fairly well-known, has a long career, and worked on famous characters. Pc13 20:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This from the editor who had brought it up as a deletion request, since User:Tverbeek, others and I did huge amounts of work on it in the past day or two to clean it up. To answer User:Pc13's wondering about why it was nominated, I cited four major specifics. You'll be amused and amazed if you go back and read the original Hama article; as someone other than me wrote of it, "The whole 'legacy' section was an inappropriate strokefest, and the rest of the article frequently ventured off into 'fannish celebrity profile' territory". I hadn't thought it was salvageable — but then I went and helped salvage it, so what do I know! :-) Tenebrae 10:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • None of that justifies freaking out and listing an article for deletion! Read the deletion policy. This AfD listing has been a thoughtless waste of people's time. Tverbeek 21:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• I wrote the original article, and I am both a friend and fan of Larry Hama. I opted to do this on my own but I had Mr. Hama review the biography section for accuracy. The Legacy section was 100% my personal contribution. Seeing how many comic book writers Mr. Tenebrae has written about and/or edited makes me question if his claims are based on his own bias. Overall, the "self stroking" only appears to be his own. To questions its appropriateness for Wikipedia blows my mind. "Fannish celebrity profile" This is an encyclopedia that gives the life history for video game charaters not exactly high-brow educational material. And this is a website where anyone with a pompous ego can re-write history. To my amazement some "editor" changed Mr. Hama's ethnicity! It takes some unique individuals to rewrite an authorized biography - give yourselves a pat on the back.
• Keep. Seriously, I can't see any reason to AfD the article about the man who practically wrote everything about G.I.Joe. JIP | Talk 10:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.