Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lady Murasaki (Hannibal)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page except signature updates.

The result was no consensus for deletion. Please take any merge discussion to the talk page. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 02:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lady Murasaki (Hannibal)

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Non-notable character, hardly warrents her own article, the character only appears in one book and the film adaption. The closest I think that this should be to being kept is being merged with List of minor characters in the Hannibal series. ≈ The Haunted Angel 23:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep in light of the injunction, at least until the Arbitration Committee rules in Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters_2 --Eastmain (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

  Um, not a television character: "appears in one book and the film adaptation." This would not seem to be covered by the injunction. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

  That's not an argument. The injunction doesn't prohibit AfDs, it just says they can't be closed until the injunction is lifted, unless the consensus irrespective of the injunction is "keep". Since your argument is based on the injunction you might as well have just skipped posting anything. -- Y|yukichigai (_ramble argue ^check) 03:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per the above: clearly unnotable. This is clearly not covered by the injunction. I have consequently removed the template as irrelevant. Eusebeus (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete -- I agree with nominator, this does not need its own article. --SSman07 (talk) 21:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as it is a clealry notable character that appears in a recognizable film and novel with easily verfiable information. Moreover, the article includes some out-of universe information on the origins of the character. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
• keep per Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles. JoshuaZ (talk) 22:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --VS ^talk 04:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- Pixelface (talk) 05:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —Pixelface (talk) 05:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge with List of minor characters in the Hannibal series. Undeath (talk) 05:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete or merge. Not independently significant. Guy (Help!) 13:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to List of minor characters in the Hannibal series. JJL (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Merge, but not to List of minor characters in the Hannibal series since she is not a minor character, rather merge to Hannibal Rising. The Dominator (talk) 19:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep a sufficiently important character/ DGG (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Hardly notable enough to warrant its own page! It has a plot summary of Hannibal Rising which is obviously redundant and two short sentences about the origin that can easily be merged with the novel's article. The Dominator (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

interestingly, some of the description of motivations is clearer in the article on the character; this will usually be the case--a properly concise description of the plot needs to be supplemented by a discussion on the characters--the cover the same book, but from different aspects. DGG (talk) 15:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

In certain circumstances yes, this I don't believe is one of them. I have a suggestion though; maybe if we move List of minor characters in the Hannibal series to List of characters in the Hannibal series then we can include all the characters with the really big ones having their own page, and I believe the only ones that warrant that page is Hannibal Lecter and Clarice Starling. The Dominator (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• Merge, per GFDL concerns. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm all for merging, but I don't understand what you mean by GFDL concern??? The Dominator (talk) 21:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep an important character. Noor Aalam (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Outside the Hannibal universe? The Dominator (talk) 23:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, due to her influence from Murasaki Shikibu. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 01:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
      • May I ask why two short sentences can't be merged to a parent article? I was thinking of moving the list of minor characters to just list of characters (see above), then we could merge characters that aren't minor, but don't have enough info to have their own article. The Dominator (talk) 14:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comments - Hold open until the injunction lifts. I can't see any consensus yet. Re-list? Bearian (talk) 18:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Notability is not inherited, and as such, since this article is about a minor character, it fails notability. The injunction does not apply as this character is not from TV. Bardcom (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually notability is inherited and this is a main character. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Significant character. --Oldak Quill 23:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to Hannibal Rising. The Dominator's idea is also good. BlueValour (talk) 23:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Seems significant, neutral, sourced. - cohesion 01:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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