Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LSE Students' Union

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, default to Keep. Walton^One 19:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LSE Students' Union

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Nominated for AfD to settle revert war over notability. TorstenGuise 19:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• KEEP Notability of Student Unions established. All institutions in the University of London have separate identities and separate SU's. TorstenGuise 19:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge into main LSE article. I don't feel that the student union is notable in and of itself, it only merits a mention in the main article.--Danaman5 19:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to article about University of London Union. Normally the main student union of a major university is notable, and many have been held so. What I am dubious about is the independence of LSE since the article says "members are also members of the University of London Union." I'd draw the line here. DGG (talk) 23:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The LSE is at this point a constituent part of the University of London. Hence all LSE students are automatically members of UOL Students' Union. It is not through the membership of LSESU that an LSE student becomes a UOL Students' Union member.Wongch2 10:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
    • That's a technicality. For almost all purposes it is treated as a separate university, and it is one of the top handful in the UK. The student unions of the constituent colleges are also more important than the central body, which is why it is not surprising that several of them have longer articles than the main one. They are the entities with which people will identify, and the main topics of reference in this area. Beorhtric 11:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to the LSE article, the student body of the LSE has more than adequate mention there. also i would remind torstenguise that because other crap exists doesn't make the case for this article Sherzo 23:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • That argument is meaningless, as it supposes that people who want to retain the article will agree that similar articles are crap, when obviously they will not. Dominictimms 14:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
    • This line of debate completely misrepresents, and has nothing to do with my statement. Thanks again for yet another pointless attack. TorstenGuise 12:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Random selection from the well populated Category:English students' unions, with no attempt made to explain why it is not notable. Dominictimms 14:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge either to LSE article or as per DGG--JForget 23:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per precedent, and for impact on the lives of tens of thousands of people. Golfcam 09:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Notable, indeed more notable than most of the companion articles that have not been nominated. Having only one article for the University of London's student unions would be a misrepresentation of reality, as the major colleges are separate universities in all substance, save for a couple of technicalities. Beorhtric 11:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge reads like an advert for the union, just more students trying to get there non notable stuff on to wiki Foxley of Grim 14:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

• As does the articles on Oxford University Student Union, Cambridge University Students' Union, Durham Students' Union and University of Manchester Students' Union. your point being? TorstenGuise 14:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Again i would remind TorstenGuise that because other crap exists doesn't make the case for this article. Sherzo 12:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Once again, you have misread my statement. All SU articles read as adverts for their union. Above are examples of that from the largest and most respected academic institutions in the UK. However, the only way you can become a member of a particular union is to enroll at that particular institution. Therefore, it is pointless to write these articles off as advertisements, when joining an SU is a byproduct of seeking further education.TorstenGuise 13:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
  • exactly, you cant exactly advertise an organisation which doesnt have an open membership. The likely readership of this article are LSE students and prospective students who would like to find out more about the LSESU. While it cannot be categorically said that prospective students do not choose their unis based on the qualities of its SU, it remains unlikely. And the SU doesn't have any choice over its membership. This is indirectly decided by the admissions dept of the uni, which decides who gets in (and therefore who becomes a SU member). In any case if there is an issue with it sounding like an advert, it is a matter of how the article is written, and not an argument for deleting it. Wongch2 10:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Decent article, worthwhile topic. JMalky 21:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.