Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LAX (group) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, for reasons of notability and WP:CRYSTAL. Overwhelming consensus is to delete, because though they may one day be a significant band, they are not there yet. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LAX (group)

heavy air play reference is not backed up —Preceding unsigned comment added by Micha851 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Does the deletion process include a vote by the wikipedia community ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Micha851 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

LAX (group) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This is a new band which may hit the big time; but they haven't yet. The only sources in the article are myspace and youtube and a Google search produces only similar results. Speedy deletion was declined on the basis that the groups is signed to a major lable (Blackground Records / Universal Records) yet a quick Google search reveals that Blackground is an small independent label which is merely has a distribution deal with Universal. Universal's website does not list the band as one of theirs [1]. The band's album hasn't been released; they do have a single available through Youtube. This is clearly a non-notable group and the article should go. B1atv 07:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• That Universal list you cite is not at all a complete list of artists distributed by Universal Records. It's just a list of the artists they're promoting at the moment. And their single "Forget You" is not only "available through Youtube" but in fact availble to purchase through iTunes and other major music purchasing websites just like any other artist recording with notable labels. --Oakshade 16:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as per WP:BAND. --Oxymoron⁸³ 07:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Just a guideline? There's a strong argument that it passes WP:BAND by being signed and recorded by a notable label and distributed by an internationally gigantic one. Also secondary sources were written about the band. --Oakshade 18:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - NN band. I don't think they'll be as big as the label's last one hit wonders though, LAXitive Gurlz; On the whole I thought they just let everything go... ;) Spawn Man 07:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete as reposted material if the content is the same. It looks like the article was recreated about two weeks after the last AfD. Regardless, it still fails WP:MUSIC, having released only one single. That single, "Forget You" should probably be shown the door as well. --Bongwarrior 08:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• The content is not the same as the deleted version in Januray and there are now secondary reliable sources cited. --Oakshade 16:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Blackground is a major label subsidiary, so the admin did the right thing. Also, the group has an Allmusic bio that asserts radio airplay for "Forget You". Chubbles 08:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• comment 1 I wasn't questioning the decision of the first admin. Articles can survive speedy deletion but still be eligible for deletion via community consensus here. I was questioning the misleading statement on the article that the girls are signed to Universal. Blackground is not a major label subsidiary according to Blackground Records - it is owned by a father and son. Having a distribution deal with a record company is not the same as being owned by the record company. Distribution deals are what record labels do. And even if they WERE signed to universal, that in itself doesn't make them notable, but is a sign that at some point they might be. B1atv 09:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

  Blackground's roster speaks for itself; it clearly qualifies as a "notable indie label", if you insist upon defining it that way. Chubbles 09:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• There is a considerable difference betweenbeing a "notable indie label" and being a "major label". But this isn't relevant. I'm not proposing Blackground Records for deletion, I am nominating a non-notable band linked to the label. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B1atv (talk • contribs) 09:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Chubbles makes a good point about the label; Blackground does seem to be a pretty respectable one. But being signed to a good label doesn't automatically confer notability. The artist must release albums on a good label, which LAX hasn't done. --Bongwarrior 09:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

A band doesn't have to release albums to be notable. They can release singles as well to be notable as this band has. --Oakshade 16:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

One single that didn't chart? Come on. --Bongwarrior 18:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• comment 2 I am the original nominator, but now that it transpires that this has gone through AFD before and recreated two weeks later with none of the concerns from the original AFD dealt with this ought now to be speedily deleted as recreation of deleted material. B1atv 09:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

  Speedy deletion is out of the question at this point. The original version that was AfD'd last January had absolutely no secondary sources and minimal assertion of notability. Articles improve over time, as this one has. The "This article was awful 8 months ago, therefore it should never be in existence and be eliminated imediately" approach just seems like the desire to delete articles just for the sake of deletionism. --Oakshade 16:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Passes WP:MUSIC. Band who's part of notable label Blackground Records, which is distributed by the extremely major Universal Records. Even just being distrubed by Universal makes them notable. Also Billboard Magazine and All Music Guide profiled the band [2]. Billboard Magazine also reviewed their single "Forget You" [3]. Being the subject of secondary sources adds to the notability and passing WP:MUSIC. --Oakshade 16:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep, they've been profiled by Billboard and All Music Guide, which might just satisfy criterion #1 of WP:MUSIC ("It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable"). Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Being profiled by allmusic does not indicate notability. Nothing at the allmusic page suggests meeting WP:MUSIC. Being part of a notable label does not convey notability. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 02:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable enough for WP:Music yet and having them here on the basis of what they might do in the future would be in violation of WP:Crystal. A1octopus 19:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.