Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L'Hopital de l'Hôtel Dieu

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] L'Hopital de l'Hôtel Dieu

This is a non-notable hospital that appears to fail WP:CORP based upon the information in the article and a cursory search. I considered merging to Quebec City, but there appeared to be no good place in that article to mention the hospital. Erechtheus 16:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)Withdraw nomination due to changes made to this article to establish an article about a clearly notable hospital. Erechtheus 18:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - My understanding is that l'hopital de l'Hôtel Dieu is a fairly common or obvious name for hospitals in French, and that there are other hospitals bearing the name; I know of one in Paris. No opinion yet about whether this stub should be deleted or whether hospitals need to meet WP:CORP. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Disambiguate and merge the data here with Hôtel-Dieu de Québec, a superior stub about the same institution. This article is apparently concerned chiefly with the current hospital building. - Smerdis of Tlön 18:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep (and disambiguate), large hospital. Kappa 17:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - A hospital with no particular distinguishing features. Hundreds of thousands of similar hospitals everywhere I'm sure. Wickethewok 17:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. University hospital founded in 1639. up+l+and 17:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. This hospital, per its article at time of nomination, was founded less than 100 years ago. I am not certain that those who are suggesting that this article is simply misnamed are correct, though I would agree that the hospital in question that was founded in 1639 and has a mention in the article about the city already would be a notable hospital deserving of an article. What makes you think this is the same hospital? Erechtheus 18:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I assumed the date of foundation in the article (and in one of the links) was correct. 1928 seems to be when the oldest part of the current hospital complex was completed. In either case, I think a major university hospital is notable (at least as notable as schools, community colleges, suburban railway stations and most sportspeople), even if it would be founded only in 1928. up+l+and 18:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A teaching hospital such as this one is as individual and distinctive as a university. The areas of specialization and the early founding of this hospital make it even more notable. Note that the hospital's correct name is Hôtel-Dieu de Québec, which gets about 81,700 Google hits, and its parent organization, Centre hospitalier universitaire de Québec, about 64,500. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 17:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• I would compare a single teaching hospital more to an individual university building/department more than a university itself. Wickethewok 19:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. This AfD serves as a good example of the dangers of labelling a non-English-language institution as not-notable. If you suspect that such an organization is not notable, ask for advice from someone with the relevant language skills rather than moving immediately to an AfD. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 17:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. I disagree with this premise. This is an issue involving erroneous naming of the hospital and an erroneous founding date when I proposed this AfD. If this were an English language article that was one sentence in length with an incorrect name and incorrect factual data, the same result would have likely occurred. I am withdrawing this nomination even though I think the article I nominated was deserving of deletion because the change in subject matter to one that is clearly notable destroys any need for deletion.Erechtheus 18:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep— Intended to let this one go as a done deal. But I couldn’t resist the temptation to weigh in on TruthbringerToronto's comment. Periodically we kill useful material because someone with English as a second language (ESL) does a poor job of starting it. The question often is, are we dealing with an 11 year old boy feeling his oats or a less than articulate ESL contributor. It is always a great pleasure to see this process correctly sort out an AfD nomination. Williamborg (Bill) 01:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

But then this is only partially correct, since Montréal also has an important and ancient L'Hopital de l'Hôtel Dieu (as does Paris). So the truly correct answer is that someday in the vast reservior of futre edits, L'Hopital de l'Hôtel Dieu will be a disambiguation link. But not today. Williamborg (Bill) 01:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment. The articles at Hôtel-Dieu and Hotel Dieu may be of interest. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 04:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.