Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krewe of Orion
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[edit] Krewe of Orion
I WP:PRODded this article about a Mardi Gras crew for lack of notability. The PROD was contested with comment: "all MG crews are probably N." I disagree. As it stands, this is a local club with 300 members. Many such clubs exist (even when restricting to Mardi Gras, Carnival, Fastnacht etc. groups) and they would certainly not automatically pass WP:ORG, in the absence of some truly convincing secondary sources. However, I found only some mentioning in the local press, and directory-style announcements. B. Wolterding (talk) 18:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment It's almost all behind pay gates, but with ~90 sources I'd think there has to be something with which to build an article. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 18:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- From the summaries, it seems like what I saw on Google web search: mentions in the local press (The Advocate, Baton Rouge), and many directory-style announcements. --B. Wolterding (talk) 18:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- comment I hope there's more to say about it from the press mentions. But I notice its not the New Orleans MG, so I'm not sure about significance. I notice that particular Mardi Gras does not have an article of its own, so quite possibly the individual components might not yet be notable. Best solution problably is to use this as a start for an article on it. DGG (talk) 20:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Laissez les bon temps roulez! (That's the Cajun equivalent of Keep) As per Cari's comments - the notability can be confirmed. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Delete Only a decade old and from a city where most of the people drive the 45 minutes to New Orleans for Carnival. With some more secondary sources maybe but as it stands they are too new and not notable enough. L0b0t (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. Local press is no less reliable then regional press, and New Orleans being a major city, I wouldn't go so far as to quantify it as "local" my self. MrPrada (talk) 08:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Just for the record, neither this group nor the newspaper which reported about them are located in New Orleans. --B. Wolterding (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Advocate, source of the 90 stories about the group listed above, is the primary newspaper of Baton Rouge (another major city) has a New Orleans bureau ["The paper maintains bureaus throughout south Louisiana as well as in Washington, D.C."], and is obviously notable enough for its own Wikipedia article. MrPrada (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- Which does not mean that everything the paper writes about is notable. See further below. --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Advocate, source of the 90 stories about the group listed above, is the primary newspaper of Baton Rouge (another major city) has a New Orleans bureau ["The paper maintains bureaus throughout south Louisiana as well as in Washington, D.C."], and is obviously notable enough for its own Wikipedia article. MrPrada (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- Just for the record, neither this group nor the newspaper which reported about them are located in New Orleans. --B. Wolterding (talk) 08:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment The krewe in question is not based in New Orleans. And there are Mardi Gras celebrations outside of New Orleans, too. --Ecoleetage (talk) 07:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment That, I think, is a good point. The Krewe in question is from Baton Rouge. The Baton Rogue Mardi Gras celebration merrits only passing mention here. Whereas NOLA and even Mobile have their own articles. This Krewe is only 9 or 10 years old and from a city who's celebration is eclipsed by the Mardi Gras in NOLA just 45 minutes away. Baton Rouge Mardi Gras and its Krewes are just not notable enough for inclusion into the encyclopedia. L0b0t (talk) 10:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment There is no requirement that an event needs to take place for X number of years before it is considered notable. Few events rival the New Orleans Mardi Gras, so the argument that Baton Rogue cannot measure up to it is a chalk-and-cheese comparison. --Ecoleetage (talk) 11:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- That's not the point. As it stands, we have here a local club that was covered in the local press (that's part of the business of the local press isn't it). Every city has a plethora of such clubs - carnival clubs, sports clubs, whatever -, and they would typically not pass the notability criteria. Things might be different if this were a group of the New Orleans Mardi Gras, since that one is world famous; but that's merely hypothetical since this club is based in Baton Rouge. --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
